I bricked it :( - 8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading

After about a week and a half of reading these posts and researching, I tried to downgrade from the official cingular 2.25 to 1.8 (cuz 2.25 seemed jankey)
I did the SIM unlock thru that mei service where you pay 38 bux ( im kinda freaked out right now and cant remember their name)
Then downloaded Cingular_RUU_1.8.11.1.WWE.ship.exe and it began to downgrade and where it started but at 16% came up with a "ERROR [262] UPDATE ERROR". there was a recovery option, followed that but it kept coming up with the same error. now at boot, it comes up to a screen where its red, green and blue.
Have I permentantly screwed my phone? Can someone lend a hand at trying to salvage it? Any help would be soooo totally appreciated. Judging by the rock in my stomach right now....im gonna hurl

ok apparently there is a difference in using the USB port on the front of the computer versus the ones on the back. Tried over and over again to install the above mentioned rom...same thing...at 16% it took a crap.
Downloaded the official cingular 2.25 rom and tried installing that over and over again. It also kept taking a dump at 56% each time. Last ditch effort, tried a USB port in the back of the computer and official rom 2.25 installed and everything is cool.
Not sure if anyone else will run into this problem, but just to be safe, use the back ports. And this will officially end my stab at screwing around with roms. A jankey phone is better than a paper weight. That was just too nerve racking. whew
by the way - anyone have a putty knife? i need to scrape out my undies...that was a pant ****ting moment

You must have missed the part where it said there is, or are, NO G4 bootloader modifications, especially in any older roms as yet.
kyphur
388 posts since Dec '05
Usa U.S.A. - AT&T Wireless
Post Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:14
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kanate wrote:
dont know why other people in Lokiwiz03a thread said not to do unlock if IPL and SPL are not the same and will brick the phone. may be he had G4 chip.
G4 phone can't downgrade at all. 1.x Roms do not have G4 Bootloaders.
A few users have had problems when their IPL/SPL versions don't match. So there is the possibility that you will brick your phone.
Did you bother going into the OS on the phone at all after the downgrade to unlock? or did you just connect it to USB and run lokiwiz?
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8125 - USA - Cingular - My Own AKU 2.3 Rom
PP Badge Number Double Oh-No...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=55097
I'm returning mine bcause cingular wants $$ every time you use there less than worthless wifi feature.
I have read a 100 pages & have not seen a single word about this 'issue' ?? Dell Axim x51v asap ce la vie 8125ppc

vinyl313 said:
ok apparently there is a difference in using the USB port on the front of the computer versus the ones on the back. Tried over and over again to install the above mentioned rom...same thing...at 16% it took a crap.
Downloaded the official cingular 2.25 rom and tried installing that over and over again. It also kept taking a dump at 56% each time. Last ditch effort, tried a USB port in the back of the computer and official rom 2.25 installed and everything is cool.
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I never use the front USB ports, just to make sure everything goes okay.
But when I think of it, most of the times when I flash Roms I use my laptop that only has 4 USB ports on the left-side
Molski

which usb you plug into means nothing. it's only 1.1 anyways.
8125 is a junk anyways. I've had mine for one day & am already hot to return it because I found out Cingular will charge for data every time I access a wifi network.
If your phone is less than a year just get something else under warranty.

ok, I'll bite. How can Cingular charge for data on a WiFi network that they don't own?
To fix, simply make sure you put your phone in flight mode when accessing WiFi. The problem is that the GPRS network is still being accessed while WiFi is active. Its a bug btw and I've seen this in the AKU1.0 - 2.0 roms.

vinyl313 said:
ok apparently there is a difference in using the USB port on the front of the computer versus the ones on the back. Tried over and over again to install the above mentioned rom...same thing...at 16% it took a crap.
Downloaded the official cingular 2.25 rom and tried installing that over and over again. It also kept taking a dump at 56% each time. Last ditch effort, tried a USB port in the back of the computer and official rom 2.25 installed and everything is cool.
Not sure if anyone else will run into this problem, but just to be safe, use the back ports. And this will officially end my stab at screwing around with roms. A jankey phone is better than a paper weight. That was just too nerve racking. whew
by the way - anyone have a putty knife? i need to scrape out my undies...that was a pant ****ting moment
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USB ports on the front of Desktops are, most of the time, setup on a USB hub. Where as the back ports are "directly" connected to the USB controler chip. While I have not seen it for the phone, when you do OS upgrades on IPAQ's they warn you not to connect through a USB hub. The same rule of thumb probably exsist with the phone OS's also. Just a little FYI for those who are interested.

tweker said:
which usb you plug into means nothing. it's only 1.1 anyways.
8125 is a junk anyways. I've had mine for one day & am already hot to return it because I found out Cingular will charge for data every time I access a wifi network.
If your phone is less than a year just get something else under warranty.
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Cingular does NOT charge for using the WiFi.

Help is on the way
Get your receipt and take it back to a Cingular Store it you got it within the last 30 days. If not call the 800 number for waranty suport. Tell them your phone just started to freeze up and you went to the Cingular site to download the update. Tell them the update went through and now it won't boot. They will send you a replacement. Keep in mind you may get an old version (VERY Benifical for customized roms) or a re-furb

I don't get the relationship between Cingular charging for data use and the 8125 being junk. One is a carrier's policy the other being the unit itself.

tweker said:
which usb you plug into means nothing. it's only 1.1 anyways.
8125 is a junk anyways. I've had mine for one day & am already hot to return it because I found out Cingular will charge for data every time I access a wifi network.
If your phone is less than a year just get something else under warranty.
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As I was purchasing my 8125 a cingular employee pulled out his 8125 and told me that Cingular does charge for any data transfer to the phone including wifi. I told him I would take my chances.
Cingular does not charge for wifi access, no matter what they tell you.

Funky B said:
tweker said:
which usb you plug into means nothing. it's only 1.1 anyways.
8125 is a junk anyways. I've had mine for one day & am already hot to return it because I found out Cingular will charge for data every time I access a wifi network.
If your phone is less than a year just get something else under warranty.
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As I was purchasing my 8125 a cingular employee pulled out his 8125 and told me that Cingular does charge for any data transfer to the phone including wifi. I told him I would take my chances.
Cingular does not charge for wifi access, no matter what they tell you.
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This is killing me. Its the send thread Tweker has posted this nonsense in. There is no way cingular would be able to charge you for Wifi. They can charge you for media net (GPRA), but not wifi. YOU ARENT USING THEIR NETWORK FOR WIFI.

There is NO difference between your computer's front and back USB ports. The all go to the SAME place on your motherboard. If you don't believe me open up your case and look for your self.
Your phone is not bricked. You just need to reflash the 2.25 rom on to it. There is nothing wrong with 2.25. I came from 1.8 and 2.25 is definately a step up. Trust me.
tweker said:
which usb you plug into means nothing. it's only 1.1 anyways.
8125 is a junk anyways. I've had mine for one day & am already hot to return it because I found out Cingular will charge for data every time I access a wifi network.
If your phone is less than a year just get something else under warranty.
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You are quite possibly one of the DUMBEST people I have ever seen post on any message board. Ever. :roll:

tweker said:
I'm returning mine bcause cingular wants $$ every time you use there less than worthless wifi feature.
I have read a 100 pages & have not seen a single word about this 'issue' ?? Dell Axim x51v asap ce la vie 8125ppc
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Dude, you are such a moron!! If you only understood.

GldRush98 said:
There is NO difference between your computer's front and back USB ports. The all go to the SAME place on your motherboard. If you don't believe me open up your case and look for your self.
Your phone is not bricked. You just need to reflash the 2.25 rom on to it. There is nothing wrong with 2.25. I came from 1.8 and 2.25 is definately a step up. Trust me.
tweker said:
which usb you plug into means nothing. it's only 1.1 anyways.
8125 is a junk anyways. I've had mine for one day & am already hot to return it because I found out Cingular will charge for data every time I access a wifi network.
If your phone is less than a year just get something else under warranty.
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You are quite possibly one of the DUMBEST people I have ever seen post on any message board. Ever. :roll:
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Sorry but your wrong. It's well documented that in particular Dell had a voltage problem with the front USB ports. I do agree with you that they're not "hubs" as per Itcatack but please be careful when you proclaim "facts" ...
Now I am pretty sure though that a under voltage problem probably didn't cause this error. There's many other factors here, not least of which are spyware, malware, etc. Mayhaps running a proggy during the upgrade.... who knows? (not me !)
Just my 3 cents worth... (you get more than 2 cents with me ...)

tweaker is famous for making ludicrous posts about cingular/wifi, just search for posts from his name. he's out of his mind.

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livejamie said:
tweaker is famous for making ludicrous posts about cingular/wifi, just search for posts from his name. he's out of his mind.
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That is absolutely accurate, although this is my 2nd post, I have been reading posts here since March when I got my 8125. Tweker has made a strong argument that cingular reps have told him there is a charge for WIFI, and best I can figure, he is simply unable to understand the difference betweeen edge and localized WIFI internet.
Regarding the USB issue, there could be a problem if the controller isn't working correctly, or the physical port is damaged or dirty. Front ports tend to be more prone then the ones on the back to damage or dirt.

Man, if Cingular charges for WiFi access on the 8125, that means they've done a HORRIBLE job at trying to charge me as I use WiFi all the time both around the house and campus and not a single cent of that usage shows up on my bill.
Of course, I could just be the lucky one and got away with it somehow :lol:

they don't charge for wifi, that's the point.

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HELP. SX-66 resetting on its own?? Battery problem or more?

NEWBIE ALERT! FIRST POST.
My phone is a Siemens sx-66. Its really frustrating me to the point that I am ready to toss this thing into the lake.
I am very grateful that this forum exists. I have spent many hours reading the WIKI site for Blue Angel and other valuable collections of data. Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated.
I am looking for a fix for my phone. Here's the details.
My sim card is an AT&T Wireless card. My phone is a branded, Unlocked Cingular phone. AT&T was bought out by Cingular. My previous phone (motorola v600) broke so I bought this phone on Ebay, popped my Sim in and it worked.
I upgraded the ROM and here is the current report from DeviceData.
Model No: PH20B
Minor Version: B1
Language Code: WWE
Operator Code: XGULA
ROM Version: 1.33.10
Extended ROM Version: 1.40.125
Radio Version: 1.02.10
Minor: 02.10
I should change my Sim card to a new Cingular one, but I have chosen not because the plan I have with the former AT&T Wireless has a TON of minutes and Cingular doesn't have a plan that large. My contract is now up and I am hoping to renegotiate my plan with the business dept.
Here's what my phone is doing: I can be in the middle of a call, using my bluetooth earpiece ( I am always using the BT) and all of a sudden, the phone will soft reset. A few times, it will even hard reset. The hard reset is a major Pain in my ARSE because then I have to re-enter all my internet access settings and email settings again. This usually takes about 45 minutes of my time. :shock:
The thought just occurred to me that the problem could be my battery. I don't know enough to know if I need an additional software upgrade or not. Advice is appreciated. I am afraid of upgrading to WM5 because of the bugs that people have complained about.
I love my PDA phone. It keeps me more organized than I've ever been. Unfortunately, the recent problems have caused more problems than they solve.
Best Regards,
ArtisticStain
Dallas, TX, USA
Thia ia why I upgraded to WM5, but...
The problem is probably a loose battery connector, using a case helped my phone a lot (kept the battery from coming loose), however, you really might want to go with a WM5 install, the worst of the WM5 issues are:
1. Slow phone ringing (there are patches that are supposed to fix this)
2. Some software won't let you become a "registered user" because they do goofy stuff with the registry and your system doesn't respond in their goofy expected way anymore
3. Some people have issues with Blue Tooth, I just wanted features that didn't work in 2003 either, so this is really a non issue (IMO).
Good luck, I still think that you should really consider WM5.
umm... i actually had this problem at one point, but i honestly doubt i had the same one you do. With mine, all the screws under the battery were loose, and everytime i would shake the phone, or anything like that, it would hard reset. I doubt thats it, but check the screws under the battery... maybe some of them are loose?
Re: Thia ia why I upgraded to WM5, but...
siemens_sx66 said:
The problem is probably a loose battery connector, using a case helped my phone a lot (kept the battery from coming loose), however, you really might want to go with a WM5 install, the worst of the WM5 issues are:
1. Slow phone ringing (there are patches that are supposed to fix this)
2. Some software won't let you become a "registered user" because they do goofy stuff with the registry and your system doesn't respond in their goofy expected way anymore
3. Some people have issues with Blue Tooth, I just wanted features that didn't work in 2003 either, so this is really a non issue (IMO).
Good luck, I still think that you should really consider WM5.
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What are the real, operating advantages of WM5?? I don't want to deal with any more haywire issues with my phone or it will end up at the bottom of a lake.
REALLY NEED SOME HEAVY TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE
I am still using the same OS as above. Something has been happening lately...
When my cell receives an incoming call, it doesn't receive it. The red light shows up and the caller's info shows up on history as a missed call but the phone never rang.
What the hell is going on??
Re: REALLY NEED SOME HEAVY TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE
artisticstain said:
I am still using the same OS as above. Something has been happening lately...
When my cell receives an incoming call, it doesn't receive it. The red light shows up and the caller's info shows up on history as a missed call but the phone never rang.
What the hell is going on??
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try to reflash to win2003se or pick a snazzy wm5 from our boys here, I have the same model.
we had extra 2400mAh batteries laying around so we popped them in these models, definitely a must.
I suggest an aluminum alloy/magnesium case they sell online for about $20US if you can find it, lined with neoprene
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...90008633724&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1
Thanks for the info. I contacted cingular and they said they were having technical issues with converting or upgrading stuff.
I'll let you know if I change my mind about upgrading to WM5 but for now, I'll stay put. Upgrading will be my last resort.

For the life of me I cannot install a rom

I just got an ATT tilt yesterday coming from a 8525. For the life of me I cannot update rom with wm6.1. From what i found is that if I do a hard SPL I will not be able to go back. Not good. Even with out hard SPL I still cannot update. I've looked around and tried differant things for about three hours last night. Even with stock Rom I'm not able to use my phone to access internet thru my computer. Cound not find internet sharing. What I did find in connections tab did not work at all.
wpl11972 said:
I just got an ATT tilt yesterday coming from a 8525. For the life of me I cannot update rom with wm6.1. From what i found is that if I do a hard SPL I will not be able to go back. Not good. Even with out hard SPL I still cannot update. I've looked around and tried differant things for about three hours last night. Even with stock Rom I'm not able to use my phone to access internet thru my computer. Cound not find internet sharing. What I did find in connections tab did not work at all.
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Hmm where to start. Ok so are you flashing a ROM from this site? Because if so, then you have to do the HARD SPL thing.
I've never got on my phone and tried to use my computers internet. Sounds silly to me.
Yeah really this post doesn't make a lot of sense.....
Internet sharing (on a tilt) is in the windows folder and has to be ran from there. This allows your computer to get on the internet through your phone (oposite from your above mention)
I think you need to read more, because you don't seem to have the basic understanding of things. Or maybe you need to explain a bit better. One or the other.
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If doing a hard SLP is gona void my warranty by not letting me revert back if I need to then its not worth it to me. I use internet sharing with my 8525 to my laptop that means when im going down the hwy I can stream my sling box to my laptop or download music from limewire. With the Tilt they use wireless modem found in Connections tab. Its not working for me. Nothing is happening. I've flashed my 8525 countless times with no problems.
If doing a hard SLP is gona void my warranty by not letting me revert back if I need to then its not worth it to me.
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heh, believe me, i've been doing a lot of digging around here since I too am a new tilt (and new pda) owner, and ran across what your asking, you need to look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335568
wpl11972 said:
If doing a hard SLP is gona void my warranty by not letting me revert back if I need to then its not worth it to me. I use internet sharing with my 8525 to my laptop that means when im going down the hwy I can stream my sling box to my laptop or download music from limewire. With the Tilt they use wireless modem found in Connections tab. Its not working for me. Nothing is happening. I've flashed my 8525 countless times with no problems.
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you can always revert back to stock spl and rom even after flashing ... please read the kaiser wiki
it's obvious that reading isn't something you do or you would have read.
Internet sharing (on a tilt) is in the windows folder and has to be ran from there. This allows your computer to get on the internet through your phone (oposite from your above mention)
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And understood that your method is wrong and that is why I outlined the correct method.
Problem on doing hard SLP
I downloaded hard SLP v1 watched yoytube clip. I do not get the tri colored screen. My screen stays white for ever. Thats my problem so far. I like the phone but want wm6.1
search white screen, it's a common problem.
When you run into troubles, ALWAYS start here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=369282
There you would have found the following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
This thread will help you further.
Reading the first thread would have saved you a lot of time...

Tilt Broken USB [Data]

My Tilt suddenly won't communicate over USB. It'll charge just fine (from both the wall charger and USB port on the computer).
This happens on two computers (XP & Vista) tested on 5 USB ports between the two and 3 different mini-USB cables (I know some devices used to be really picky about those).
Neither the phone nor Windows does anything to acknowledge they're connected. I've verified all the settings on both ends (ActiveSync USB connections are enabled, I've tried with USB advanced functionality both enabled and disabled, etc etc)
I've also hard-resetted. For what it's worth, I'm currently running L26 V9.
So ideally, is there some magical way to get my USB working?
If not...I need to get it in warranty returnable status. I can flash the original AT&T ROM using my microSD card, but I need some way of getting the original SPL back on there. Is there a way to JumpSPL using an SD card?
Any suggestions?
milas said:
My Tilt suddenly won't communicate over USB. It'll charge just fine (from both the wall charger and USB port on the computer).
This happens on two computers (XP & Vista) tested on 5 USB ports between the two and 3 different mini-USB cables (I know some devices used to be really picky about those).
Neither the phone nor Windows does anything to acknowledge they're connected. I've verified all the settings on both ends (ActiveSync USB connections are enabled, I've tried with USB advanced functionality both enabled and disabled, etc etc)
I've also hard-resetted. For what it's worth, I'm currently running L26 V9.
So ideally, is there some magical way to get my USB working?
If not...I need to get it in warranty returnable status. I can flash the original AT&T ROM using my microSD card, but I need some way of getting the original SPL back on there. Is there a way to JumpSPL using an SD card?
Any suggestions?
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Sounds like the USB port is bad...no magical fixes.
You're lucky you are still under warranty.
Just flash the original ROM, don't worry about the SPL version, they won't check it.
bengalih said:
Just flash the original ROM, don't worry about the SPL version, they won't check it.
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I mean...it's just pretty obvious because when you put it in bootloader mode it pops up and says "HardSPL" blah blah
Do they really just not even look?
same thing happened to me
Just today... I have posted thinking it was a bent pin but maybe it could be an update or something?
I was also wondering whether you can un supercid and change spls from a sd card.
All tilts are still within a year, right ?
yi3o8 said:
Just today... I have posted thinking it was a bent pin
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That's what I thought after reading the other USB port threads on the forum, but all my pins look okay.
yi3o8 said:
but maybe it could be an update or something?
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I would say so, but I only found out it wasn't working because I went to ActiveSync in preparation for an upgrade to L26 V10. It had been syncing on L26 V9 with no problems until it randomly stopped. Also note that it doesn't work in the bootloader.
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I was also wondering whether you can un supercid and change spls from a sd card.
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That's what I was hoping. However, for anyone else who finds this thread via search, I trudged through the entirety of the JumpSPL/HardSPL threads and there is currently no way to change SPLs without the use of USB on the Kaiser right now. It is apparently possible on the Hermes and older phones, which has caused some confusion.
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All tilts are still within a year, right ?
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Yup, they came out Sept/Oct 07. Guess I will go ahead and warranty exchange it.
one last thing...
Does anyone know if using the phone until the refurb comes is a good idea? They could easily see that it was used after you said it was broken. Also, I am assuming that to get a bad flash all you have to do is take your battery out while flashing. Can anyone confirm?

Phone does not work anymore

NEW (29/4/09) --> after further investigation and discussion with other kaiser owner affected with same problem, the thing could be more important than expected as many Kaiser could be potentially having the same problem.
The issue is that after going on flight mode the unit can start to have problems to get registered to the phone operator. Sometimes the problem is mitigated temporary by disabling 3G but the problem can persist. The unit is able to see the operators available but not to connect to any of them. Units affected were built between 07/07 and 11/07.
If you are affected please post your release date (DATE: DDMMYY(TBXX)/EU) that you can find on the sticker on the atenna in the back, under the back cover.
If you are not, be aware of the problem as you may start to have it if you go to flight mode or travel abroad.
NO SOLUTION FOR THE TIME BEING, AND IN GENERAL AFFECTED UNITS ARE ALREADY OUT OF THE GUARANTEE PERIOD.
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My TYTN II has more than 1 year.
The problem: Basically it is out of coverage all time, and does not manage to get connected to any network.
It started about 1 year ago. I am base in France and I want to USA. When I arrived to New York it did not work anymore. I thought it could have been the roaming or just that I had changed the SIM card a few weeks before and the operator did something wrong (ORANGE). But the point is that the same SIM was working in my spare nokia and on the other hand an Orange Spain SIM had the same problem.
I spend a few days in USA moving from one state to the other and after 2 or 3 days the phone started to work but with some problems (changing from one operator to another it did work) finally the 4th day it was working.
When I returned to Paris, it did work ok for a while.
Then one day the phone just droped the connection to the operator, and at the same time the Bluetooth link to the BT carkit and the GPS stopped and restarted. Since that moment the phone just did not work anymore (only the telephone).
I open a case to HTC who never replied. On the phone they just say inconsistent things.
The WM6.1 official release came out and I did upgrade it--> still the same. A new ticket open to HTC without replay. I stopped using it for a while.
In summer I went to Spain for vacations and started to play with it again. One day it started to work again without any justificiation.... so I left it like that.
Months latter I got a mail from HTC (really very reactive) but at that point the phone was working since more than 4 months.
By the end of 2008 when I was in Spain and this time using my Orange Spain SIM, I had to replace the SIM. After a few days, and after travelling across Spain, I had again the same problem. And actually the phone did not get any coverage with any of the SIM I use (Orange FR, Orange ES, Movistar...). Little by little it started to work again and it has stay like this for a few months.
In the last few weeks I have been in UK and Italy. Again started to have problems and finally, after a visit to Italy my phone has stop working. It is like that for 2 weeks.
The point is that I have tryed all kind of things:
- force to GSM or let it in auto
- change the UMTS and GSM bands
- different SIM from different operators
- Official WM6.0 and WM6.1 spanish
- finally I started to flash different Radio ROM and also coocked ROM
- when I search manually the operators or I try to fix it manually, I see that the phone is actually capable to see the available networks, but it does not manage to get registered in any.
At the end it is always in with the "!" symbol, saying either that it has no coverage or that the access is refussed.
I have seen that in two occasions I had changed the SIM a few weeks before. Also that the problem has always happened after putting the phone in flight mode (actually I was flying) and landing in a new city or even a new country; except once.
Last point: it is free HTC Spanish version. It is actually the second as the first I had was stollen. With the first I never had problems.
I will end up sending it back to HTC but obviously it will take very very long and meanwhile I will not have the GPS and the rest of the PDA that still work ok.
Any idea?
Thanks
Wow that was a long post, even so, you've left out some important info. Which ROM Radio and SPL versions are on the device now (the wiki explains how to find all this out if needed). Has the device suffered any physical bumps or been used in the rain/got wet? Have you tried cleaning the battery terminals and spring posts with a cotton bud soaked in contact cleaner or IPA? Not sure if the last one will help (especially if there are no battery charge problems) but it may be an intermittant problem and I've found this to be a known issue with the TyTN II. Also, how much more than one year have you had the phone (my TyTN II came with a warranty about 15 months).
Thanks for the info. I have verified all connectors, including battery and SIM.
More over I have 2 batteries and I have done all kind of test with both and with and without power supply.
On the other hand, I have tested all (really all) the RADIO ROM available in the FTP server of xda-developers, plus some more up to the 1.70.18.02 and
1.71.09.01.
Right now I'm running the 1.64.06.04.
In terms of ROM, I have also tested serveral. The last few are:
- offical HTC WM6.1 ESP (BTW with radio 1.65.17.56)
- KaiserESNReconstructedTestFix02
- RUU_Kaiser_SPA_WM6.1.19212.MobileVirtualVista2.21_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.16.25_by_ansar
The one I am running right now is:
- KaiserSpanish diamond II
The unit is from nov. 2007, I guess is out of guarantee. On top it was a gift...
But this is not the issue, the problem is actually that I guess that HTC will take several weeks to repare or replace it, and I can not live without the PDA part. I am considering to buy a second hand unit and then we will see....
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Thanks for the info. I have verified all connectors, including battery and SIM.
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How? The mark one eyeball won't pick up a thin film of grease which may still be enough to pose occasional connection problems. The best bet is simply to clean it as described (being careful not to spray the device directly to ensure the moisture indicators aren't triggered).
More over I have 2 batteries and I have done all kind of test with both and with and without power supply.
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I have 3 batteries (original and 2 spares) and have had battery terminal problems in the past. I think that all those battery changes may exacerbate the problem. Cleaning as described from time to time, has prevented any recurrence.
In terms of ROM ..... The one I am running right now is:
- KaiserSpanish diamond II
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You could try reviewing the ROM thread for that ROM but if the problem occurred the same with other ROMs, that's unlikely to be the cause.
The unit is from nov. 2007, I guess is out of guarantee. On top it was a gift...
But this is not the issue, the problem is actually that I guess that HTC will take several weeks to repare or replace it, and I can not live without the PDA part. I am considering to buy a second hand unit and then we will see....
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Still a few outstanding questions, has it been subjected to anything you may think could cause such problems such as being dropped, shocked or soaked? Also what SPL does it have on it and have you tried reflashing the SPL version (as everything else has already been flashed many times)? I'm thinking this is more likely a hardware defect but you may as well take every step you can to rule out other problems before going down the path of employing specialists to take a look at it.
If you do revert it to a UK Orange standard setup and send it off to HTC in Milton Keynes for repair, you may be surprised at how quickly they can turn around such a job. Although the only service I've used from them was a free ROM reversion while under warranty, after booking my device in over the phone in advance, I dropped it off in the morning of the agreed day and it was ready when I picked it up last thing the same day so the repair centre can really be very efficient (don't ask me about the call centre though ). There's no harm in enquiring with them first but I do suggest you revert everything back to 'as supplied' spec first (even though there's virtually no chance it'll be fixed for free).
Wow that is totally crazy. Good luck with that.
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How? The mark one eyeball won't pick up a thin film of grease which may still be enough to pose occasional connection problems. The best bet is simply to clean it as described (being careful not to spray the device directly to ensure the moisture indicators aren't triggered).
I have 3 batteries (original and 2 spares) and have had battery terminal problems in the past. I think that all those battery changes may exacerbate the problem. Cleaning as described from time to time, has prevented any recurrence.
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I will clean it again just to be sure....
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You could try reviewing the ROM thread for that ROM but if the problem occurred the same with other ROMs, that's unlikely to be the cause.
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I have gone through the forum to find another similar cases, but no luck. I agree with you that it is very unlikely that it is the ROM, as it happened with 5 different ROMs, including official WM6 and WM6.1.
Flying Kiwi said:
Still a few outstanding questions, has it been subjected to anything you may think could cause such problems such as being dropped, shocked or soaked? Also what SPL does it have on it and have you tried reflashing the SPL version (as everything else has already been flashed many times)? I'm thinking this is more likely a hardware defect but you may as well take every step you can to rule out other problems before going down the path of employing specialists to take a look at it.
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A few drops in 1 year an a half, this is almost unavoidable. But not a big crash, and in any case it never happened just before the problem. The only real correlations I've noticed are:
- in tow occations it happened after my operator replaced the SIM
- in all cases but one, I had problems when roaming or when coming back from abroad
I did not mention it but I reflashed the SPL a few times.... the same. I have also changed the Network Wizard and run it several times (there are some problems in the forum where people can not get access to some of the operator's services). Nothing changed
There is another point, when I go to the configuration of the Phone, I can list the available networks, but the issue is that it does not get registered to any of them. It may even be a problem with the operator an not the phone itself.
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If you do revert it to a UK Orange standard setup and send it off to HTC in Milton Keynes for repair, you may be surprised at how quickly they can turn around such a job. Although the only service I've used from them was a free ROM reversion while under warranty, after booking my device in over the phone in advance, I dropped it off in the morning of the agreed day and it was ready when I picked it up last thing the same day so the repair centre can really be very efficient (don't ask me about the call centre though ). There's no harm in enquiring with them first but I do suggest you revert everything back to 'as supplied' spec first (even though there's virtually no chance it'll be fixed for free).
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That is a good point. As I have to travel to UK from time to time I may consider it as an option, but as you say, I want to try all possibilities before.
Thanks again, and thanks to all other people that have any suggestion.
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The only real correlations I've noticed are:
- in tow occations it happened after my operator replaced the SIM
- in all cases but one, I had problems when roaming or when coming back from abroad
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You did mention sometimes it refuses to be registered on the correct network. If you use your secondary phone to call the operator, perhaps they can tell from their side why registration is being refused? I assume the SPL version you are using is fully compatible with the ROMs you are using. Other than that it's time to contact the repair centre and if you're now back in France then the HTC website (or Orange in France) should provide details of closer, more convenient repair centres. Good luck.
Just got a second Kaiser (2nd hand) and started to swap some parts between both. I found out that the problem is in the motherboard.
It may be the board or, as said before, a problem with the network operator.
I continue to check. BTW, any tip is welcome.
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Just got a second Kaiser (2nd hand) and started to swap some parts between both. I found out that the problem is in the motherboard.
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By that if you mean it's hardware related fair enough but remember there are lots of bits of hardware attached to the mainboard which are easily and relatively cheaply replaceable (eg the sim holder) so a skilled repairer should be able to diagnose exactly where the fault lies.
It may be the board or, as said before, a problem with the network operator.
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Well thats a very important distinction to make. Option 1 may be uneconomic to repair where as option 2 would be free - don't you think you should get a definitive response from your network provider?
I continue to check. BTW, any tip is welcome.
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Get a definitive response from the network provider and then if reqd from an HTC repair centre (as suggested in my last post). In the meantime you can carry on as normal using the 'good' Kaiser.
Thansk.
If you have seen the rips of the Kaiser, it is not so easy to repair what is suppose to be faulty.
When you open it, you take out some parts:
- Antenna
- Speaker
- the roller control on the left side
Then you can remove the main card by disconnecting two flex cables.
When you have done this, your unit becomes two main parts:
- the main body that is completely ripped off
- the other half that contains the LCD, keyb, tilt mechanism, SIM reader, SD reader
The mothercard is actually monolitic, and most of the components are shilded with a methalic case solded to the board. There you have memory, processor, communication chipset...
I am currently using the "new" board on the old phone. Old the rest of the components are from the old one (including antenna, speaker....) and it works, so the fault is in the mother card.
Then when I use the old card with the "new" phone I have the same problem. I have a good and a bad one. Considering that I have no guarantee (and if I had, after all this manipulations, I have lost it for sure), I will first check with Orange. It is not very likely that it has been an operator problem as I have tried with many SIM from different operators and in different countries.
At this point is not so bad as I can play with the spare unit, test new ROM and SW, etc... before running it in the operational one. I also have spare parts in case that I broke something else (LCD...). I am even considering to buy another in ebay, something broken but with the mother card still running, so I can actually have two fully operational.
Pop Q. here, does it work 102% except your connection issues? Does it lag, screen freeze or acting strange in any other way? If this is a hard problem I would suspect SPL. What SPL version are you on now?What other have you tried and with which rom? Also I dont mind the lengt of this tread, but it takes a bit more time when its written in "story" mode
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If this is a hard problem I would suspect SPL. What SPL version are you on now?
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That must be about the 4th or 5th time SPL has been mentioned in this thread and nowhere has pepesr answered - very annoying but you know what they say about leading a horse to water....
Also I dont mind the lengt of this tread, but it takes a bit more time when its written in "story" mode
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Especially when relevant questions from earlier on in the thread (and reminders/suggestions to clean terminals) are being ignored/not reported back on - maybe pepesr may actually listen this time and answer all outstanding q's/report what has actually been done?[/grouch mode]
Thanks again for your help.
Don't get disapointed, I have gone through all the story because the problem is quite weird and this is maybe the only way not to miss an important detail.
As said twice before, answering to the questions, I have traid different SPL and ROMs. To be more precise:
- The problem first started with original HTC SW set up., long time ago.
- I only started to play with different SPL a few weeks ago, and because I wanted to test different radios as the problem is on the phone part.
- I have tried SPLs 1.93, 1.56, 3.28. For sure 1 or 2 more but I don't have any record. Currently running 3.28
- I have installed radios:
- 1.27.11.31
- 1.27.12.11
- 1.27.12.17
- 1.27.12.32
- 1.27.14.09
- 1.27.15.32
- 1.58.26.20
- 1.64.06.04 --> currently running
- 1.64.08.21
- 1.70.18.02
- 1.71.09.01
- I have tried ROMs:
- official HTC WM6 spanish
- official HTC WM6.1 Spanish
- Mobile Virtual Vista 2.21/2.20 D3D WM6.1 5.2.19212.1.0.3
- Mobile Virtual Vista 2.10/2.00 WM6.1 5.2.19212.1.0.3gullum
- Throttle Diamond I multi language (updated) --> currently running
Do not hesitate to ask further details.
Clean the contacts on the sim slot and the card itself?
OOPS I see that you did.
Anyway, perhaps the sim card connection to the motherboard is flaky
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Clean the contacts on the sim slot and the card itself?
OOPS I see that you did.
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You were right the first time. 'Verified' is not the same as cleaned correctly and thoroughly, just as saying it will be done doesn't mean it has been done (correctly and thoroughly). It's not that I'm simply dissapointed. I am annoyed at being given the run-around when it comes to getting concise answers and actions quickly.
I note that we finally have the CURRENT full ROM/Radio/SPL details when picked from a list of other things we didn't ask for (although still no word on whether the actual terminal/connector cleaning has yet taken place for sim and battery and if it was done correctly and thoroughly using the correct materials). I don't know if they are all fully compatible with each other, especially that radio (and to be honest, I can't be bothered checking the custom ROM thread to find out). To say all combinations have been tried is little use because that could mean mixing incompatible items together with a net result of problems. It's akin to saying I've verified all the fluid levels under a car bonnet by filling the radiator with oil, brake fluid reserviour with antifreeze and water and the engine with brake fluid.
I will not be hesitating to ask further details from pepesr (and pepesr_1 for that matter...), I simply won't. The problem is not that not enough words are provided in a response, it's that listening and acting on clear guidance is not occurring, not something I know how to change in others apart from by showing them the net effect.
In the words of ChumleyEX, the situation is 'crazy'!
As many times in the forum, your answers, Flying Kiwi, are starting to be agressive and useless.
Contacts have been very well cleaned (correctly and thoroughly).
More over, the SIM connectors are in the other half of the unit that works with the new motherboard.
Asuming by default that I am so incompetent and that I have not gone through all this forum to check all this compatibilities is quite arrogant.
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I continue to thanks all other people that has really the intention to help.
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Pop Q. here, does it work 102% except your connection issues? Does it lag, screen freeze or acting strange in any other way? If this is a hard problem I would suspect SPL. What SPL version are you on now?What other have you tried and with which rom? Also I dont mind the lengt of this tread, but it takes a bit more time when its written in "story" mode
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Yes, it does work 102% for the rest. No other problems at all. And you can be sure I really strees it.
I have the same problem as pepesr_1's. 100% same!
I use origine ROM on my phone, from SPL, ROM & Radio.
vuquan said:
I have the same problem as pepesr_1's. 100% same!
I use origine ROM on my phone, from SPL, ROM & Radio.
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Hi,
Good to see that I am not the only one, this could give us a change to find a solution.
Could you check in the back the sticker on the antenna with the date and version. Mine is: 011107(TB02)/EU.
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Hi,
Good to see that I am not the only one, this could give us a change to find a solution.
Could you check in the back the sticker on the antenna with the date and version. Mine is: 011107(TB02)/EU.
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I haven't check yet. But I think it's same. I bought it at 01/2008 as brandnew phone.
2 week ago, I take it to a service shop to re-weld the SIM tray pins. At that time, the phone is good. After one day, it became fault as the time before welding.
More information:
- When it good, the signal can be found when the Windows starting (the LED is blink) with any SIM.
- When it fault, with usable SIMs, the signal can be found after Windows started some minutes. With un-usable SIMs, the phone says: No SIM.
- All Sims above are good SIM (tested on other phone)
Sorry for my bad English.

[Q] Can't get ATT Tilt to sync

I've looked at any posts I could find regarding my problem and tried a few dozen things that were suggested and still can't get my Tilt to Sync. I downloaded ActiveSync 4.5 and got no results. Changed my USB settings, re-activated network connections and rebooted time after time with no results. ActiveSync does not detect my phone.
I'm using ATT Tilt with WM 6
CE OS 5.2.1622 build 18128.0.4.4
Rom Version 1.62.502.0
Radio version 1.27.14.09
I was going to update and/or try to flash the ROM (utter NEWB but want to learn), but not sure if I can do anything if unable to sync. Suggestions?
Thanks
S
And the biggest fix of them all is to try a new cable. When I used my tilt (I'm sure you read this while going through all of the posts) I went through at least 5 cables in a year and a half.
ChumleyEX said:
And the biggest fix of them all is to try a new cable. When I used my tilt (I'm sure you read this while going through all of the posts) I went through at least 5 cables in a year and a half.
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Thanks, I will definitely give that a try. I am now wondering if the mini USB jack is going bad on my phone. Maybe a new cable will help, but if not I'm guessing that would mean the need to replace the phone. I don't want to pay a repair bill on it.
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stephenh2 said:
Thanks, I will definitely give that a try. I am now wondering if the mini USB jack is going bad on my phone. Maybe a new cable will help, but if not I'm guessing that would mean the need to replace the phone. I don't want to pay a repair bill on it.
S
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You can flash through sdcard though. Dunno if you have a card reader or a donor device to format the sdcard and place the rom in there.

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