standard mode or turbo mode
Standard is Stable
I've come to notice that the standard mode is much more stable or actualyl is perfectly stable than the turbo mode. even the keyboard manages to get messed up when in turbo mode. When u switch from standard keyboard layout to the phonepad keyboard it gets locked up. just like it'd be using too much memmory or smth, which shouldnt actually b a problem in my oppinion.
Anyways, mayb i'm just the only one w this problem and the turbo mode is actually stable, but from what i've noticed its crap, even cpuXscalar or whatever its called crashes my system when i use it. so so much for tweaking my proc
any suggestions perhaps?
It is good idea to keem 50Mb of ram free to achieve best performance.
My Alpine is stable even on 624Mhz. But i prefer 412.
624mhz? is it all alpine can go up to 624mhz or you had did some thing on your alpine?
Just turned it to Turbo mode and installed XCPUScalar program. There will be 624Mhz. :lol:
wooah, hold on a second there. 50Mb's o ram? thats normal i think.i mean,let me ask u this then, where do u adjust the free ram?thats whats in the memory setting tab right? or thats just the storage/program ratio...hm...
scalar kept locking up w me 4sm reason.u hv the new version or old one?mayb that'll b a difference. the new one kept locking up my ppc with it:/right after setup.n if i did get it to start up then as soon as i did smth it'd lock up:/
Hah, I regularly run my device with only 8mb of free RAM, and it works fine I only use Turbo mode for when I'm running TomTom though, it seems to just help it draw the 3D maps a little faster than in regular mode (which would figure, as it's clocking the CPU up faster, which in turn is clocking everything else to a faster datarate... So yeah.)
Turbo mode just eats up battery life though, and I'm properly fed up with having to plug it in every night to charge already.
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Turbo mode just eats up battery life though, and I'm properly fed up with having to plug it in every night to charge already.
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The golden rule of a PDA is to get it charged when ever an opportunity happens - mine sits in it's cradle for half a day (while at work). It's also plugged in whilst in the car. :wink:
Aye, I always have mine on charge whenever I'm home / in the car, it just takes the piss a bit that the battery life is as short as it is, but I guess that's the price we pay for being on the bleeding edge of mobile tech
With my 4500mA battery - no problem running even 624Mhz during all day.
But I prefer 412 or 520 - sometimes I need to stay without charger during two days...
i change the speed with xcpuscalar. I move from 2xx Mhz to 624 Mhz
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title says it all really!
Depends on your definition of 'hot'
All mobile devices get warmer when they are used ... be it the likes of the internal component working harder, and the battery having a more sustained drain when in use
well, I've had a Vario II, a Touch and a Touch Cruise, and I never really noticed this before. It doesn't affect the running in any way and I'm very pleased with the device. Just wondered if it was a 'danger' sign.
Nah, it's just another of those random handy features - it keeps you warm.
Excellent, a feature! Thanks for that. Glad to know it's nothing to worry about.
it`s not a bug it`s a feature
well...to bad energy is turned into heat instead of power for the phone.
I have had this before with my Vario I, but after flashing some different radio's and roms, this problem of getting a very hot device went away.
I have to say that the device does get much hotter than any other device I've owned.
All device gets hot when u use GPRS/HSDPA Data connection (with traffic going on). This is bcos you are draining the battery at a faster rate than the phone normally would.
Yes...it is warmer compare to ther bigger wm pda
When I use it in my car - tight in the carholder, TomTom, GPRS (for TomTom Traffic) and charger - it get's extremely hot.
You can almost bake an egg on it...
A hot diamond... what to do?
So this device is hot in more ways than one - Great for those cold winter mornings
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When I use it in my car - tight in the carholder, TomTom, GPRS (for TomTom Traffic) and charger - it get's extremely hot.
You can almost bake an egg on it...
A hot diamond... what to do?
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mine gets warm but not extremely hot and im doing the same^
they all seem to get a bit hot. seems to be a drawback if it being so slim. However on mine, it does not seem to be the battery that gets warm, but the sapce below it where the qualcomm chipset is located....
definitely not the battery. If you remove the cover and place your finger on it you can feel the exact spot where it gets warm. Like said before I believe it's the proc or gpu. And mine gets doesn't only get warm using gprs or wifi, just using the phone for 5 minutes with the screen on gets it really hot. As long as I have my warranty I don't really mind though
Since Diamond is a 528Mhz device, you can't compare it with pre Diamond (touch family), which are only 400Mhz. The faster the device, the more heat it produces. When GPRS or WiFi is used, it drain battery faster and the device also gets hot faster.
If you guys ever user Atom Life, you won't be complaining about how hot a Diamond can be. Atom Life is a 624Mhz device.
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Since Diamond is a 528Mhz device, you can't compare it with pre Diamond (touch family), which are only 400Mhz. The faster the device, the more heat it produces. When GPRS or WiFi is used, it drain battery faster and the device also gets hot faster.
If you guys ever user Atom Life, you won't be complaining about how hot a Diamond can be. Atom Life is a 624Mhz device.
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the more mhz you have got, isnt neccesary meaning your phone gets warmer.
it depends on the generation of the cpu (and gpu).
Can it not get too hot so that actually the chip gets overheated and damaged? What is the maximum temperature the chip can handle before it breaks down?
Normally it would be max about 70-80 degrees Celcius before it's really dangerous.
I'll burn you
Hi amigos:
I been searching around and I cant find a solution for this annoying thing .
If I connect to my 3G usign my kaiser for more than 10 minutes, the phone is getting extremly warm. I try to put the back light low but doesnt help. I'm usign Dutty 29 apr. Rom and radio version is 1.58.21.23 and I'm in Denmark.
Is your battery draining fast?
Get a battery meter and test that because I had a TyTN that did that...
same here original rom wm6.1 NL
Noel M said:
Hi amigos:
I been searching around and I cant find a solution for this annoying thing .
If I connect to my 3G usign my kaiser for more than 10 minutes, the phone is getting extremly warm. I try to put the back light low but doesnt help. I'm usign Dutty 29 apr. Rom and radio version is 1.58.21.23 and I'm in Denmark.
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If I where you I would try a diffrent radio and check what aps you are running in background/prosseses. I often use my kaiser as an wifi router and I dont think you gets close to as warm as mine streaming and charging at the same time I abuse it so hard it resets itself, now thats hot hehe. Anyway, some radio are battery monsters for me, its just about to find the best one for youreself.
I have good experience with: 1.58.25.17 in Norway, havent tried it whit duttys.
If not you can try 1.65.14.06 and 1.65.17.10 wich dutty included whit the release.
To 2007HHR: Yes the baterry draining fast that is the worst part. what is the purpose for use a battery meter? Its going to solve my battery problem?
Raiisak I will try another radio, hope it will help me, I never experience a phone that will become warm after using it for a long time. Really annoying
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To 2007HHR: Yes the baterry draining fast that is the worst part. what is the purpose for use a battery meter? Its going to solve my battery problem?
Raiisak I will try another radio, hope it will help me, I never experience a phone that will become warm after using it for a long time. Really annoying
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i only experienced this one time when i had my gps turned on for half an hour and my phone turned into a hot potato and battery went from 95 to 15 percent.
u have to realize though that the tilt is sorta like a mini laptop and it will start getting warm after some time unless u give it some rest.
Well I never experience something like it in a windows mobile before, I will be really interesting to know if this is a hardware failure. Have you guys experience something like this in other htc phones?
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Well I never experience something like it in a windows mobile before, I will be really interesting to know if this is a hardware failure. Have you guys experience something like this in other htc phones?
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Unfortunately this is almost unavoidable with lithium batteries. My HTC TyTN II battery gets hot while charging, and even hotter if phone is being used (voice or data). It gets hot to the point that the battery stops charging (at least they have thermal control circuits, it could explode otherwise, lithium batteries do not like the heat).
The same happened with my previous phone, from e-ten. A battery got very hot and damaged while talking for a long time. I have used my devices mostly as a PDA, for reading or playing music, but as soon as phone radio is on, it starts getting very hot.
Hi Vcespon:
THis is horrible, I can't belive with a advance phone like kaiser something like this happen. Is there any firmware that might fix this, otherwise I will thinking to change this phone, this is unacceptable.
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It gets hot to the point that the battery stops charging.
The same happened with my previous phone, from e-ten. A battery got very hot and damaged while talking for a long time. I have used my devices mostly as a PDA, for reading or playing music, but as soon as phone radio is on, it starts getting very hot.
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That's not normal. If it is the case your most likely have a hardware problem. Same to the OP.
Mine also got warm and was emptying the battery in a couple of hours once the radio broke down.
Other than this, the only cases where the phone will get really hot is when using WMWifirouter to route the 3G connection to WLAN and downloading a lot. Both the 3G and WiFi radios being on and working hard, plus the processor doing the routing uses a tremendous amount of power. But the device wasn't meant to be used that way anyway.
The GPS also uses quite a bit of power so if you have that on on you might want to try turning it off.
When just talking on the phone the device should get a little warm but no more.
The battery meter would show how much of your battery is being drained when idle... mainly shut down all applications and see what the reading is and that would give you an idea if the device is defective.
I can tell ya, mine gets HOT. I sent the first one back because I thought it was defective. Also with a couple different roms it makes no difference. If your using 3G, BT, GPS, or any combination of those, that SOB will get hot. If I'm charging at the same time, it gets so hot it shuts the charging proccess down. I have to hold it over a AC vent to cool it back down.
Over all though, the only complaint I have with the phone is the heat and battery drain issue.
dead phone or dead battery
Do not know if this where to post. But my TyTn stopped charging. The phone is completly dead. Right now I'm on vacation in a remote location with out any access to the local AT&T to get a battery quick. But the problem is that the battery is not taking a charge. The red charge light is not on or anything. I left the phone on the charger for two days and nights with no results. I ordered a battery but will not have it untill I get home in another week. I have Dutty's 6.1 5.2.19199 UC Compliant ROM on the phone and I've been using it for about 10 days now. Everything was working fine. The phone was getting warm during GPS useage and when charging. Right now I hope that its just the battery. But in case its not, I need to know what my options are. Is the phone dead? What other measures are there to bring it back to life? Thanks in advance.
I can say from my experience with a tytn and now a tytnII when you use them rigorously , they will get hot. I guess the real question is how hot is it really getting and what is running on the phone. Is it uncomfortable to hold?
On EDGE data with FlexMail and IM+ online, the phone stays ice cold. On HSDPA the same, it gets slightly warm. When talking on the phone with HSDPA, it gets a bit warmer.
When using GPS+iGO8 or TomTom, it gets rather warm. Add charging and it gets pretty hot. I've seen batterystatus show as high as 42C using internal GPS+iGO8+Charging.
Gets hot + doesn't charge from laptop
I've got a similar problem - Kaiser may get hot when being used as a modem and/or charging...., well I've actually had this going on from time to time and wasn't much concerned about it until now: the battery doesn't charge when connected to my laptop - ActiveSync or modem, the amber light doesn't come on, plus drains fast.
The Kaiser(so the battery) is only 3 mths old (although I use it heavily as a modem) and I guess it's unlikely that changing the battery will help here...
My kaiser gets warm too.. I guess it's because I'm hot.
Never mind
HR fixed it...
You also have to remember that these things have a 400mhz processor in them without any fan. Now when your using that processor to the fullest, it IS going to get warm. This is what your going to get from any high performance electronic item without a cooling fan. It's not unacceptable, it's the way it is. 3G, bluetooth, and WiFi can be very processor intensive depending on use, imagine all 3 on at the same time, not to mention the added heat from rapid battery discharge (which is unavoidable when using the radio).
The designers of the phone are no idiots, they designed systems that shut the phone off if it's going to get damaged. So if your worried about the heat cause it's uncomfortable, don't work the sucker so hard! ;-)
Hi to all and thanks for the replies;
My theory is that if you buy an expensive phone you need to exploit until the limit. I bought the kaiser because is a phone that can give me almost any kind of connection and I can be connect online almost everywhere. I can't stand that If I use the 3G connection for 10 minutes the phones gets so warm. I use battery status too and the temperature is like 42F after I use the phone for 10 minutes.
So the other day, I forgot to close an app down--the Schwartz Unsheathed, if you are curious--and when I fished my phone out again, it was hot. Very, very hot. Battery information indicated 41C which, in the grand scheme of things, isn't that high (wouldn't worry me with a PC's graphic card, for example, or CPU) but it felt incredibly warm to the touch. Fine, I shut the app down, removed the battery cover and let the phone cool down. No problem.
It might be the apps I've been trying since then, but I have been experiencing performance and stability issues. Things slow down sometimes. On the Desire ROM, Rosie kept force-closing every now and again. On Enomther's which as we all know is just about the stablest thing that ever stabled, Launcher2 does ditto (the Launcher Dock may be the culprit, though, as it seems to do some weird **** and I've removed it since. Fiddling around with BetterCut also seems to cause force-closes). So could that be it? Did the phone overheat (but if so, shouldn't it have shut itself down) and now something's broken? Getting antsy. :/
41°C should not be a problem, but consider that this was a measurement from the battery pack and that a sensor like that can easily go +/- 5 to 10 degrees.
so well, some chip on the nexus could have gotten way hotter than 41°C. maybe something fried, some defect that was already there and now its really broken.
still, this can be a bit subjective, the phone will seem broken if you think it's broken you can always do a factory reset, reflash the current rom and try from there.
Yeah, could just be my own jitters--I'd experienced issues before, usually caused by a ROM or whatever--and lately my PC's been having problems, so it might well be some kind of placebo effect. Unless it and my N1 magically entered a symbiosis or something.
Thanks for the quick reply.
once my phone accidently fell onto my bed and under my pillow while i was charging it over night and i woke up at 4 am and found a burning out nexus under my pillow. i unplugged it and nothing seemed damaged but it still worried me.
I think if you are worried about it and you are rooted you should install SetCPU. It has a profile designed so that is you his a preset temp it will down clock your CPU.
I use setCPU to save my batterylife ie.
100% - 50% run full cpu on demand.
Idle/Standby downclock to 400Mhz
50% or less down clock to 600Mhz on demand
20% or less down clock to min.
I also complement this with locale for low bat. dimness, wifi off, bluetooth off. etc.. etc.. ( a little off topic I know)
Well, looks like updating More Icons Widget was what did it; things seem to work okay now.
Was wondering what the maximum advisable temperature is?
Maybe the phone has protection for the CPU? but Li-ion batteries dont like heat, it shortens their effective life.
my battery reached 44.3C yesterday on a 4 hour journey in the car using co-pilot and the phone actually net discharged despite the fact it was on a 1A USB charger for the entire journey - about 80% at start of journey and 20% at end.
I've installed setcpu now and set the temperature profile to drop the max speed to 768 if temp is >44C and another one to drop the speed if power is less than 30%, may need further tweaking though. This was not in my car and the back of the phone was effectively unventilated, in my car I have an open backed holder near an air vent.
So i got the G1 rooted running sparmod 1.15 and its just horrible on my battery would you recomend i buy a stronger battery and btw its not oced so idk what it is its like when it on sleep mode or what ever it destroys my battery
Try a stable system image rather than.... sparmod? whatever that is...
even i am facing the same issue. the battery is causing a major concern for me. need to keep it plugged in through out the day.
can anyone suggest what can be done?
What would u prefer?
It depends on a few things, included background processes that load the cpu, whether the antenna is trying to gain a 3g signal when its far from one, gps, and battery health. Use 2g networks and turn off gps. That should at least double your battery life. You can also underclock the cpu with a profile in setcpu. Lower brightness as well. Otherwise, get a new battery. After a while, a battery loses charge and will need to be replaced.
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Same thing happen when i used to have my G1. Overnight charge and in literally 30-60 minutes it would die.. Do you leave wifi, Bluetooth, Use wireless networks,etc on?
This happened to me when i got mine. Now I can manage to run it for at mot 16 hours (Yes! 16!) The way is get a good ROM. I use SuperBad 2.1 And use the power controls widget. I use Extended Controls. I have everything off when not using. You gotta learn to manage your phone. And the active widgets too.
I do manage my phone GPS wifi there always off brightness is the lowest possible no updates from email no background data or anything
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It could be one bad apk. Check settings/applications/running processes!
Mines was Application protection.
Another thing could be to check the physical condition of your battery. Mine's currently looking like () I'm waiting to hear a fizz pop *smoke* then a small fire. Hopefully it's not in my pocket when it happens. I've already ordered a new battery, hopefully it arrives in time.
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So i got the G1 rooted running sparmod 1.15 and its just horrible on my battery would you recomend i buy a stronger battery and btw its not oced so idk what it is its like when it on sleep mode or what ever it destroys my battery
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3 thinks you can do
1)check for a better rom and\or verify if your gps, wi fi and on while this happens
2)Recalibrate your battery
2A Discharge it until it shuts itself off.
2B) Recharge it back to full and then leave it charging for another few hours even after it says it is full
2C)repeat if needed
3)buy a new one...
Okay im going to check out that 2.1 rom and ill check the battery if that doesnt help ill buy a new one
My Milestone seems to have given up it's ghost.
I was driving along, tracking my position in google maps, and it froze up. After removing/replacing the battery, it will no longer turn on. No M logo, nothing. It was rather hot to touch at the time it crashed (OC'ed to 1ghz, GPS on, charging, GoogleMaps SatelliteView) so I suspect it simply fried itself. Bummer.
In some thread somewhere, someone mentioned to leave the battery out for a while so that an internal capacitor can discharge but no luck.
Anybody else run into this?
It may sound stupid but. Have you tried connecting the charger while the phone is off?
EDIT: the milestone always get very hot when running navigation or maps no matter what you do
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I realized that your Milestone is overclocked to 1ghz. What ROM are you using?
It was running HO!NO! CM7.2.0-RC0 at the time, but since any CM-based rom will let you overclock I dont blame the rom.
I'm giving it 24 hours of no battery before trying again, pretty sure the battery had around 70% charge at the time it died.
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My Milestone seems to have given up it's ghost.
I was driving along, tracking my position in google maps, and it froze up. After removing/replacing the battery, it will no longer turn on. No M logo, nothing. It was rather hot to touch at the time it crashed (OC'ed to 1ghz, GPS on, charging, GoogleMaps SatelliteView) so I suspect it simply fried itself. Bummer.
In some thread somewhere, someone mentioned to leave the battery out for a while so that an internal capacitor can discharge but no luck.
Anybody else run into this?
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It always get hot especially when it is charging. Good luck...
1ghz its not too much? XD im OC 800mhz max
Yay! It's back! Left it with no battery for 3 days and it powered right up after putting the battery in. Phew!
Bummer though, was looking forward to getting a captivate glide. oh well.
In the middle of September, I've added an option (in CM7 for Milestone) to automatically limit the max CPU frequency when the phone is in Car Dock.
It's there for a reason .
From the changelog (it's there since 7.1.0-RC15-11.09.14):
- added options to limit max CPU frequency when screen is off and when phone is in car dock
(When the phone is in car dock it can easily overheat as there is usually: heavy navigation app running, gps in use, battery charging, 3g in use, sun shining directly at phone behind front car window. All this together can lead to battery temperature rising above 50C at which point the charging is automatically stopped to prevent battery damage and you can end up with phone battery empty after some time despite phone being connected to charger. So the CPU freq limit for car dock is there to help with this temperature issue.)
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kabaldan said:
In the middle of September, I've added an option (in CM7 for Milestone) to automatically limit the max CPU frequency when the phone is in Car Dock.
It's there for a reason .
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Yes I use it, except in this case it wasn't in the dock, it was on my lap as I was the passenger.
Although I'm curious. I've disabled the dock observer (car mode just annoys me at the moment). I'm assuming a disabled dock observer means it doesnt reduce frequency when docked, right?
What ROM would be ideal to use with it ?