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From Dale Coffing (mobilePASSION):
"I have been running Windows Mobile 5 as a development platform on a BlueAngel device (the MDA3) so it kind of spoiling me to not have some of the advanced features on the i730.
-Dale Coffing"
http://dalecoffing.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/06/first_look_sams.html
(at the comments)
What these companies are doing is DIRTY.
They clearly have the potential to release the new OS for almost ALL modern pocket PCs, but since they don't see any profit in it, they will never release it.
I could accept this, IF they stopped dangling the OS on Blue Angels for all of us to see.
wm5
after you make us so hungry for this wm5 on ba could you help us to get it
why all the secret
What about a petition that we ARE even willing to pay for an BA WM5 upgrade?...
They can't charge enough for a WM2005 upgrade that would be better for them than forcing us to buy new phones.
They won't do it.
id be willing to pay 100 us dollars for an upgrade to each of my BA and Alpine..
So would I actually, but it doesn't compare to the $1000 dollars they will likely get from us all techno-nuts who very well may indeed upgrade.
im emaling him for the rom
He obviously won't give it out readily. Microsoft entrusted it to him. Anyone on their A-list would be stupid to do anything to break that trust.
im desperate
maybe someone can dump the rom without his knowledge using the sd card rom dumper... that wod be cool..and he wont be breaking any VOWS to microsoft either....
Maybe he could "accedentally" get hacked. :twisted:
Hope for the best, expect the worse
KTamas said:
What about a petition that we ARE even willing to pay for an BA WM5 upgrade?...
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I have an Ipaq 5550. The same happened with HP when wm2k3SE came out. Petitions, news coverage and all. HP prefered the short term view of selling more devices rather than cultivating customer loyalty.
That was my first and last Ipaq. I have Himalaya and BA now...
Just think of the risk/benefit ratio for MS...
We know that ASA official wm2k5 would be released for BA & Himalaya , it would be made largely available by third party means...
I'm not bringing "morality" issues in the plate here. I just say that business-wise, the effort to put that in place compared to the benefits is pretty low... Especially if you compare that to the benefits of a "no-release" scenario: you will ALWAYS end-up paying for the license when you feel BA/Himalaya and all the rest becomes obsolete and you will replace your HW. 3G is not so far away, is it? 3G + BT + 802.11A/G is not so far away either...
Nobody likes it. I don't like it. But in the end, that's the most likely.
As they say: hope for the best, expect the worse!
My 2 "unfortunate" cents,
Hal.
PS: That's why Buzz, toenailed, TheLastOne, XDAjojo, MDAIIIUser and all others efforts as so invaluable!!! Keep the good work: you know how much it is being appreciated by the rest of us.
zohaer21 said:
id be willing to pay 100 us dollars for an upgrade to each of my BA and Alpine..
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you are bonkers...........
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So would I actually.
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and so are you.......... i would never pay for WM2005, as good as it looks, if/when it comes out, ill just get it for free @ XDAdevelopers, lol
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how would you do that?? unless its released for BA and jam and xda2i ..you cant just make it work on other devices.. take example from the himalaya rom we have unless you have himalaya you cant use it..
thus.. if its never ever released for other htc models you can NEVER EVER get it for other devices... reason being a simple one.. different hardware,different memory allocation and management and different bootloaders etc..
if you dont believe me just try flashing your device with the win2k5 rom and end up with a very expensive paperweight ...
Honestly, I have no problem supporting and paying for proper service and upgrades. As well as the work Microsoft put into the development of the new OS, which from what I've heard, is a significant positive step.
I guess part of the reason that they aren't releasing it, even at cost, is exactly in response to people like you, joey jojo, who would just pirate it instead of paying. The way I figure it, alot of people with these expensive fancy devices know their way around technology, and a significant part will know how to get WM2005 for free, avoiding the costs.
Providing an OS upgrade for these devices at a cost would never work. These companies aren't exactly stupid.
I think it isn't meant to be released at all yet, really.
I think the "release" was to developers first, and soon enough you will see a hoarde of new devices, as well as a new ROM for ours.
Here's another proof, by the way:
http://blogs.technet.com/exchange/archive/2005/06/06/405993.aspx
The head of the MS Exchange team uses a Blue Angel...with Exchange SP2. To get full functionality, I guarantee he is running SP2.
They aren't using the BA as a development platform only to dump it. They are just waiting til key things (like Exchange SP2) come into place.
joey jojo said:
zohaer21 said:
id be willing to pay 100 us dollars for an upgrade to each of my BA and Alpine..
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TheLastOne said:
So would I actually.
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and so are you.......... i would never pay for WM2005, as good as it looks, if/when it comes out, ill just get it for free @ XDAdevelopers, lol
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All of you crazy. WM5 is code for wiping virtual asses...
I promote sub_rosa25's post to the "post of the year" award.
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I have noticed that many people ask us (that allready got the ROM) to provide download-links, and even mail it to you.
You have to understand that we cannot provide all new readers with that same info over and over.
If you read the two posts:
WM6 rom for wizard: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289799
and
about the crossbow wwe leak: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290277
you can easily figure out yourself how to get hold of it!
It's in your own best interest.
Even people here are helpful, all the post like "wm6 for me too plzzzzz mail it to [email protected]in" is quite irritating.
So "noobs" - please read those above posts carefully, and you wil figure out how to download it yourself!
Best regards
HansMarius
this is probably the best thread ever made
I guarantee you someone will come in here and ask for a link to it...
This is part of a big problem with mobile phone message boards I've seen across all makes and models.
Newbies come in asking hundreds of the same exacty question over and over and over again all because they're too lazy to figure it out for themselves like we all had to before them.
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I don't mind helping people out, but when it's something simple, easy, or has been discussed to extreme length here, it is extremely frustrating.
message to members and senior members:
guys be careful who you give the crossbow link to. remember that noobs rarely read threads and take the time to know what you have to do before flashing a rom. so to avoid the hundreds of threads about noobs bricking their phone lets just use our discretion on giving out those links.
I propose the opposite, give links willy nilly, let them brick, and then let them learn at cost.
Anyone who posts info about flashing Crossbow, please always pre-pend with a disclaimer to the effect that it will cause sterility and permanent flaccidity.
None of these roms are retail AFAIK. Side-effects will occur.
V
I to gave willing away links over PM a couple a days ago, but now i'm getting pretty frustrated because it takes up to much of my time tom answer.
This post was never intended as a "****ing noobs" post, but they (yes YOU) must understand that this takes up to much of our time, and we must use our precious time to set up our phones properly after we flashed the WM6 ROM;-)
Wow!
It took me a whopping 2 minutes to find the rom... Not that I actually downloaded it or anything...
But let's say that I did download the thing... And it were to happen to install just fine on my 8125... I think that I too, would rather spend time installing things like a camera proggie, and the odds and ends that a plain vanilla rom such as this probably doesn't contain... than to waste precious time responding to the non-existent requests for it's location...
I'd even bet that M$ might even put a "windows update" button in there somewhere just to tease us... Probably just tattles on ya tho... Anyone that HAS been brave enough to click on the "update" button capture what is going out? where the request goes? what the request contains? (I'll bet it just comes back with "no updates available" tho...)
Sure, it's easy to say "let the n00bs brick their phone"... Can't we all just get along? Don't be haters... Yeah, right... What the hell do I know... I'm just a n00b myself, but at least I'm a n00b that knows how to read, and tries to spend time actually reading the forums before making an @$$ out of myself...
Just my .02
PT
I Agree with vijay555 to give them the links BUT AT THEIR OWN RISK
Let them make a SmartBrick
i know it's kinda cool to have the latest and greatest, but what's the point if you are to make your super expensive machine into a mega-expensive paper-weight... doesn't really make any sense though...
Rumor has it that Microsoft secretly *WANTS* these ROMS to be leaked and tested by the phone geeks.
They allow Vista to be officially tested but it would be too difficult to go through any program like that - especially given the nature of how the OS is loaded.
Who better to test them, discover patches and fixes, and give pros and cons then the phone nerds. It also drums up interest for those who don't flash ROMS all the time. Do you realize how many major phone websites are already publishing Crossbow articles based on the leaked ROMS? You think Microsoft dislikes the publicity?
Apple went ape-**** because someone was using the pictures they provide on their website for free. Why do you think there has been ZERO comments from Microsoft when an OS is leaked 6 months early?
By the way, when you provide a link for a lossless photo of the icons on the homescreen of a yet to be released phone, people are going to download it:
http://images.apple.com/movies/us/pr/photos/iphone/iphone_home.tif.zip
I was able to turn that picture into all the icons needed in under 5 minutes. Thank God I hate Apple so much I'd never use them!
-Mc
Please send all WM6 rom requests to [email protected]! lol
McHale:
Why do you think there has been ZERO comments from Microsoft when an OS is leaked 6 months early?
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That comment isn't correct. Microsoft has contacted this board and asked for the roms to be removed. Very politely I might add. I have every respect for them for that.
Regarding the rumour that Microsoft wants their roms to be leaked, well rumour has it that Kate Moss wants me to eat sushi off her naked body. As much as I would like to believe it to be true, it's unlikely and probably a self-serving reflection of my own inner desires. She probably wouldn't want me slobbering over her after enjoying Adonis, Pete Doherty, and likewise, I doubt Microsoft is short of beta testers when they have their entire body of employees to test for them.
We're just freeloaders... but resourceful and dedicated
V
vijay555 said:
That comment isn't correct. Microsoft has contacted this board and asked for the roms to be removed. Very politely I might add. I have every respect for them for that.
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that's very cool. I got the rumor information from a couple Microsoft Reps who were at my company when we were discussing corporate licensing and the future of OS's (including mobile). Sales guys...
Regarding the rumour that Microsoft wants their roms to be leaked, well rumour has it that Kate Moss wants me to eat sushi off her naked body. As much as I would like to believe it to be true, it's unlikely and probably a self-serving reflection of my own inner desires. She probably wouldn't want me slobbering over her after enjoying Adonis, Pete Doherty, and likewise, I doubt Microsoft is short of beta testers when they have their entire body of employees to test for them.
We're just freeloaders... but resourceful and dedicated
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you know, I heard that second rumor as well but I could have sworn it was me and not you and it wasn't Sushi... it was sausage pizza.
Man that would burn...
-Mc
that's very cool. I got the rumor information from a couple Microsoft Reps who were at my company when we were discussing corporate licensing and the future of OS's (including mobile). Sales guys...
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Man if we'd known that, we could have "facilitated" a leak quite some time back! A lot of people have been sitting on the roms for a while AFAIK.
sausage pizza
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Chipolata or Cumberland?!
V
I will say it again though. I think Microsoft has been very cool about us playing with the WM6 ROM and not getting Apple-sue happy. They've also been cool about us cooking custom ROMS with bits and pieces from all of them.
With as often as many of us upgrade Windows Mobile devices, this only encourages most of us to buy the next device that has it pre-installed. It won't keep many of us from upgrading because we have the new OS.
If it would make MS happy, I'm sure most of us would be happy to take part in a Beta program and report our findings as well as fixes (though they are all here on XDA if they take the time to read).
And as I stated days ago, let's not do anything that jeopardizes this fine forum or any of us on here. If MS says stop, we should take it someplace else.
-Mc
I entirely agree with you.
I was doing some work with some obscure Microsoft APIs yesterday, and as much as people love to shoot them down and whatever, we reap the rewards of the incredible amount of work that goes into supporting functions that we may never even get to use!
I specifically chose to use the phone I do because I can rip it apart software/ROM wise.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=287178#post1082343
Keep up the good work, one and all. Hack away!
V
True that
I don't do much posting but I have to agree with you guys. M$ can put the hurt on the board/forum really fast. Why not have a semi-approving Uncle and not create another "Napster" situation. M$ wants all the info they can get without the attitudes. Agree ????
Hello!
firstly, thanks to everyone for such a fantastic resource. I always enjoy reading about the latest bits of user made software and trying out delicious freshly baked roms...
I have been a winmo user for about 5 years now (many MANY phones ) but, sadly, i have just purchased a nokia N95 8Gb (i basically couldn't refuse the offer) but one thing that really annoys me about it (and i havent got it yet! it arrives tomorrow) is the lack of intelligent, and credible sources of user discussion and content generation (such as this fantastic site). I really will miss it!
Does anyone know of a good symbian forum/irc/site in a similar vain to xda-dev? I have visited www.allaboutsymbian.com and wasnt impressed with the manner or technical level of its users... maby i just didnt dig deep enough.
Anyway, thanks again!
wish me luck on the s60 side... ill have a tytnII if it all goes tits up
Ant
I spit in the face of Symbian!Ptui!! Although,you could go over to mobiholics.com, I know youll be back soon because we all know youre going over there to sell the phone.
i got a p1i, and my super device of all time, the athena has since been neglected... maybe that will change with the release of the real athena project rom..
so i too am looking for symbian-developers.com
Rory
Honorable Chefs - distinguished consumers.
www.romondemand.com/org has been registered as a strategic decision elaborating the feasibility of providing personalized Rom's to end-consumers.
The idea generated by reading to many times "can you include this' - "can you remove that" etc
So, why not offering personalized - tailor made ROM's ? Customer creates a wish-list on the webpage - available Chef -in his domain of expertise receives the order - constructs - customer downloads - Chef follow-up. Chef gets paid - happy customer with own ROM.
Simply presented, I know, but got to start somewhere no?
Would like to know the opinion of the Chef's on this idea. PM me to elaborate further on together if this is tempting or not.
And whoever thinks that a personalized ROM is crap is free to flame - punch me. I own the idea. Stupid or clever as it is.
good idea but i don't think most of the chefs here cook roms as a profession. Most of them simply do it because its a hobby and invest their time into it. If they wanted money i am sure they wouldn't post their hardwork here for others to steal
nothing wrong with that I guess. Use your skills to pay the bills
I think it's a great idea, however keep the following in mind:
1) How much you charge vs. how much people are willing to pay vs. how many people will actually use this service. Even though alot of people say "can you include this..." doesn't mean they are going to pay for someone else to do it. Alot of people on this forum will tinker themselves rather than pay the $$. Also, make sure you aren't putting too much time into this. If i ask you to build be a rom just like the stock but with App ABC built in.... you might say sure...$30! But if it takes you 3 hours to figure out how to properly integrate it...that is alot of work for $30. Plus if you can't figure it out...you get $0
2) Make sure you don't pirate anyone else's work without first asking. If I ask you for a ROM "just like Dutty's latest but with A, B, and Z" you might want to take Dutty's and update it. You will not get the best reputation here if you take Dutty's hard work and tweak it just a bit and turn it for a profit.
3) Be sure you are prepared for any legal implications. The legality of putting these ROMs up, let alone selling them is a grey area. Make sure you are ready to deal with any possible consequences.
If you got all that covered...go for it!
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I think it's a great idea, however keep the following in mind:
1) How much you charge vs. how much people are willing to pay vs. how many people will actually use this service. Even though alot of people say "can you include this..." doesn't mean they are going to pay for someone else to do it. Alot of people on this forum will tinker themselves rather than pay the $$. Also, make sure you aren't putting too much time into this. If i ask you to build be a rom just like the stock but with App ABC built in.... you might say sure...$30! But if it takes you 3 hours to figure out how to properly integrate it...that is alot of work for $30. Plus if you can't figure it out...you get $0
2) Make sure you don't pirate anyone else's work without first asking. If I ask you for a ROM "just like Dutty's latest but with A, B, and Z" you might want to take Dutty's and update it. You will not get the best reputation here if you take Dutty's hard work and tweak it just a bit and turn it for a profit.
3) Be sure you are prepared for any legal implications. The legality of putting these ROMs up, let alone selling them is a grey area. Make sure you are ready to deal with any possible consequences.
If you got all that covered...go for it!
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As for a legal stance you'd technically be selling your service rather than the rom itself seeing it is a customization.
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As for a legal stance you'd technically be selling your service rather than the rom itself seeing it is a customization.
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yes but you'd still be breaking HTC/AT&T/MS property rights. Again, it's a grey area...just like all of us here freely distributing them.
I don't think selling them is any worse (since you would be selling the service), but it's stil grey... and anytime money is involved it can be higher profile.
Custel , you made some valid points, though it would not be the intention to steel without authorization already cooked ROM's.
I would either see it as a Chefs-united platform where stock ROM's are used and tweaked - within the legal bounderies.
No, a MS VC would not be added for free and if so, royalties would be paid to MS.
Same counts for applic's such as coreplayer etc.
A matter of how the negotiations will go with those guys.
Purpose is for them to understand that we can integrate officialy their soft at a minimum price avoiding that plenty d-load them somewhere onon-officialy.
I do not see loosers within this set-up (yet)
No misunderstanding !
Benghali wrote : 2) Make sure you don't pirate anyone else's work without first asking. If I ask you for a ROM "just like Dutty's latest but with A, B, and Z" you might want to take Dutty's and update it. You will not get the best reputation here if you take Dutty's hard work and tweak it just a bit and turn it for a profit.
I would not even touch these ROMS and they will even not be on the website.
It would be the Chef's whom are jumping in which start with a Vanilla base and customize the ROM on demand (Customer can provide desired wallpaper - list a wich of soft - tweaks - cabs etc whatever his level of PDA understanding is)
So, no, the ROM's made by the CHEF's would not be simply refurbished.
(as this never ever happens among the chefs neither )
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Custel , you made some valid points, though it would not be the intention to steel without authorization already cooked ROM's.
I would either see it as a Chefs-united platform where stock ROM's are used and tweaked - within the legal bounderies.
No, a MS VC would not be added for free and if so, royalties would be paid to MS.
Same counts for applic's such as coreplayer etc.
A matter of how the negotiations will go with those guys.
Purpose is for them to understand that we can integrate officialy their soft at a minimum price avoiding that plenty d-load them somewhere onon-officialy.
I do not see loosers within this set-up (yet)
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Just pointing out that I made all those original posts, Custel was just quoting me. But, more importantly...you talk about doing thing within "legal boundaries."
There are no legal boundaries for cooking ROMs. It is against all HTC/MS/AT&T licensing agreements to decompile, modify, and redistribute their code (and for profit nonetheless!).
You seem to be approaching this as a legitimate business venture where you will pay royalties to various manufacturers. I don't want to put down your idea, but unless you have some major connections at some very big corporations, this idea would not even be entertained.
Anything you do would pretty much be regulated fully by yourself. MS isn't going to license VC command to you. Other smaller software companies may play along, but to be honest such a licensing structure for an endeavor like this probably is overkill.
You also seem to be thinking of not just making these ROMs yourself, but brokering it out to multiple chefs who will be taking orders. Again, it could work, but is ambitious to lay out a structure like this.
Again, I like your idea...I just don't know how realistic it is based on the amount of transactions you would be performing. And, please remember if you actually achieved such a structure, your site and services would surely be put out there and would draw attention from the major vendors who would probably investigate and send you cease-and-desists. Remember, the whole act of cooking and distibuting copyrighted ROMs is not withing the agreements of the vendors.
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I think it's a great idea, however keep the following in mind:
1) How much you charge vs. how much people are willing to pay vs. how many people will actually use this service. Even though alot of people say "can you include this..." doesn't mean they are going to pay for someone else to do it. Alot of people on this forum will tinker themselves rather than pay the $$. Also, make sure you aren't putting too much time into this. If i ask you to build be a rom just like the stock but with App ABC built in.... you might say sure...$30! But if it takes you 3 hours to figure out how to properly integrate it...that is alot of work for $30. Plus if you can't figure it out...you get $0
2) Make sure you don't pirate anyone else's work without first asking. If I ask you for a ROM "just like Dutty's latest but with A, B, and Z" you might want to take Dutty's and update it. You will not get the best reputation here if you take Dutty's hard work and tweak it just a bit and turn it for a profit.
3) Be sure you are prepared for any legal implications. The legality of putting these ROMs up, let alone selling them is a grey area. Make sure you are ready to deal with any possible consequences.
If you got all that covered...go for it!
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Not too mention that Dutty, & a few other chef's remove all the RGU's. So unless the creator is the one helping you, prepare to spend a lot of time digging out the defunct dsm files from the rom.
I think it's an okay, don't get me wrong, there are a lot of people that are clueless about this stuff & still want things there way, but you hardly own the idea. The idea is what gave birth to this forum, & if you have been here for any length of time you'll see that people here have in some instances paid others to make or customize roms for them in the past.
I also don't think you'll get away with charging much for your "Service", as the hard work, all the coding, was already done by MS & HTC. Thinking that you'd get MS to sanction this is wishful. Remember, MS at one point stopped XDA from distributing their roms, & one of the big reasons it turns it's head today is because of all of the free bug fixes & beta testing they get out of this community. If your just selling roms, ahem...services, then you'll likely not be any source of needed data for them & there will be no reason to let you keep going at it.
Customizing already customized roms gets even grayer, because now you have artwork & custom icons that were created by members specifically for certain chefs, i.e. Collinssc frequently does custom art for Dutty's roms.
Again, there is a lot of stuff to work thru here, & several are pretty serious, such as licensing that already prohibits distribution, not to mention all of the required technical support & while you can use all the disclaimers in the world, that won't stop someone from sueing you when their device bricks. Take a look at all of the cooked rom threads, some have thousands upon thousands of little bug complaints, that adds up to a lot of hours when you have made a lot of individual changes to a rom & it's not always the chef that comes up with the solution for the bugs. I personally never used a Dutty rom because I couldn't use MediaNet & BBC at the same time, but I wanted to, so I disected several ROM's & found the issue & the fix. Same with certain roms & TCPMP. Multiply these issues by the number of each user personal taste in apps &, well you see my point.
I'm a red blooded capitalist thru & thru, so I say go for it, but there'll be no easy money made here. It'll take a lot of time to get any coordinated effort involving so many variables off & running. Good luck.
It's a shame this idea has been shot down already because I wanted to know how much it was going to cost. Hell, I have three other friends that would be interested in buying a ROM. Sometimes, people would rather hire someone with experience.
bennyj71 said:
It's a shame this idea has been shot down already because I wanted to know how much it was going to cost. Hell, I have three other friends that would be interested in buying a ROM. Sometimes, people would rather hire someone with experience.
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the idea still lives but needs further investigation and I want to know the Chef's view on this first.
Will come back with more news.
i already found Taiwanese web builder understanding the complexity but thinks it is more than feasible to build a platform fitting the needs.
Pls don't flame me for this thread, it's just that I have noticed that not many people are visiting the Topaz forums on this site (especially compared to the diamond) I am wondering whether this is because there is low interest in the device. Views?
Perhaps it's because it's only just come out and not many people have one yet?
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Perhaps it's because it's only just come out and not many people have one yet?
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yepp
for example, in romania, it just arrived yesterday
It would be a shame if this phone doesn't get a lot of attention.
It's a great device ... i love it !
I would like to see a weekly calendar in touchflo though.
guys, with christonge, pietrucci, l3v5y, udk and many other on the board already, while the device is not released everywhere, we allready have a good population down here. No only the SPl tweakers, and then we're ready to go en **** up our devices...
Dont worry, we'll have a cool community here soon!
This device has great potential, and everybody i spoke, finds this device better than the original diamond.
Gr. Bram
Interesting comments, I also think the TD2 is a very worthy successor to the TD1, hopefully more devs will det interested soon and we can start to fully exploit this thing!
adesonic said:
Is the TD2 unpopular?
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It's só unpopular...
Who want such a device???
adesonic said:
Pls don't flame me for this thread, it's just that I have noticed that not many people are visiting the Topaz forums on this site (especially compared to the diamond) I am wondering whether this is because there is low interest in the device. Views?
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Sold out in several big online smartphone retailers, price raise recently (guess it's supply and demand)...
Also, the diamond has been available from the networks for ages, and the TD2 isn't yet (around here anyway) so cost's £400 or you can wait and get it for much less on your phone network.
HardSPL isn't out yet, meaning people can't flash custom roms yet..
Trust me, this will be at least as popular as the diamond, just wait a few months.
- Anthony
Pshh this phone is nearly sold out everywhere online. I'm Glad Clove got some more in and mine should be here in 2 days time. Next delivey they receive is May10th this would be second time they ran out. I'm sure the TD1 had a slow start as well till more people got their hands on it. Also remember the TD1 is 1 year old and established on many networks around the world.
Also take a look at the TP2 section. There is nealy nothing going on there yet as the phone hasn't been released. Not sure about everywhere else in the world but here in the US the TP2 is all the rave. That's all the reviews keep mentioning and the phone they hope carriers here get. I pesonally think the TD2 is a lot nicer than the P2. Here people don't know how to use a Soft keyboard and would rather have a thicker phone and have a hard keyboard.
It has barely just come out, and it hasn't come out at all in the US. If it is released in the States, this place will be full.
I just got mine. Trust me, it will be popular.
With over 526 visits to this thread already . No don't think so
touch pro 2 will be more popular. Mark my words