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tomtom 5 stuck

Hallo,
I recently bought TomTom navigator 5. apart of the fact that v5 didn't install in WM5 and I had to wait for release 5.2, now I have this big problem: the program gets stuck trying to load the maps.
I tried copying the maps manually to the SD card. if I unplug the SD, tomtom complains that there are no maps and closes. if I plug again the SD, the program gets stuck and I can't do anything else (it freezes the whole device)
any clue?
thanks

you need 5.21 update (wm5 most compliant).
you can download it from tomtom.com
BR

I already have 5.21, it was a typo...
the problem is that it gets stuck when loading maps from the SD card...
it otherwise loads doesn't find the maps, and closes. but the program IS correctly installed...
thanks

m8...its happened to my sometimes on my exec that I had to uninstall via activ sync and reinstall again to correct...make sure you also have an empty folder named tomtom on the root of the sd and another on the root of the poquet pc and be sure that the map you have is correct for tomtom 5 .
BR

I tried, and it doesn't work (sigh sigh)
Also, I tried changing the SD card (you never know) but nothing changed.
all folders are present, though I had to create the one in the SD card.
still freezes *sigh*
also, tomtom help doesn't help at all, and I hate spending money for a non working software :evil:

m8...what version windows are you running....wm5 or 2003?
another thing ...I got stuck like that once after already having installed twice on two other xda2s's running the exact latest rom from 02... that time i shortcuted it by not installing any voices insted i put the voices folder on the card and put voices in there....that gave me this problem also.....installed a couple of voices from the disc on to the xda memory and voila its working like a charm.
BR

I'm running wm5, standard (no tuma-ivan-etc)
I'll try as you suggested this evening, I hope to solve it
thanks for your help!!

TomTom is one of the crappiest, buggiest piece of commercial software I've seen in a long time. Once you get it up and running it's usually OK for a month or two, but it generally soils its underwear after a short time and needs a reinstall.
I mean, 5.21, how long as 5 been out? 21 minor revs since then? Do they actually test their software, or just ship it and wait for the users to do it for them? I work in the industry and I am far from impressed with them. Especially given what it costs.
Any how, as I said, periodically you need to completely clean it out. Remove all folders. Delete your map directory on the SD card and copy over the original copy of the map you purchased. Delete all of the program directories it makes. I found as many as 6 or 7 directories on my storage card where it's scatterbrain configuration liked to hide data. Once I had to completely cull it from the registry to get it going, all keys with "navigator" and "tomtom" were suspect. Beware tho, "navigator" might be in there through other applications.
Oh, another thing to check...sometimes it gets sadomasicistic and decides to set a config file or two as read only. One day it's working, the next it fails to remember settings changes. You can fix that one without a reinstall if you can figure out which file it is (generally the map config file).
However, despite all this, sometimes you need to hard-reset to get it going again.

thanks to all, but I think I found a good solution.
I brought back the software to the vendor and changed it with navigator pn. it works perfectly
it's more of a workaround than a solution, but hey - at least I gave my money to a company that deserves it.
thanks destinator!

iGuidance 3.0.1 and the Tilt

Has anyone got iGuidance 3.0.1 to work on a Tilt. I am getting mine tomorrow and really need this program to work. Thanks.

Sorry, 3.01 won't work on any WM6 device I believe. I found display issues, prog closes if you touch any key while navigating.
The good news is that v4 works great on WM6 and Kaiser for sure and I believe that it will work on Tilt as well. (If it won't work on tilt, I'd flash the tilt to the HTC rom).

V3.01 works GREAT on the Kaiser.
The only issue is that you need to disconnect the data connection or it wont boot up. Other than that, I have seen very few issues.
(If you dont disconnect data, it may take iNav 5 minutes or so to load up. When disconnected, it takes about 3 seconds on mine).

I have iguidance v4, but I have a problem with the maps. Instructions tell me to load the map folder on my SD card, but I don't want to put 1.4GBs worth of maps when I only want 1 or 2 states for the time being. Is there any way to just load 1 state's map?
Ken

Data Connection w/ iGuidence
Thanks for the tip about the data connection! That was driving me crazy. How did you figure that out?

kjones2k1 said:
I have iguidance v4, but I have a problem with the maps. Instructions tell me to load the map folder on my SD card, but I don't want to put 1.4GBs worth of maps when I only want 1 or 2 states for the time being. Is there any way to just load 1 state's map?
Ken
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V3.01 came with a map-loader which let you select exactly what you wanted.
Look in your program files and see if you can find something like that.

Miclo77 said:
Thanks for the tip about the data connection! That was driving me crazy. How did you figure that out?
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Trolling these boards and emails to iGuidance support. Glad it helped.

yeah i to don't like the map size so i went back to v4 until i get a 6GB card (or 8GB)
there is no map loader with v4 from what I have seen so I believe you are stuck on that point.. hopefully there is a solution to it that i just don't know of

Did you do anything unusual to get iGuidance 3.0.1 working? I keeps crashing on me on a fresh out of the box Tilt. Do you have it installed in main memory or on the storage card? I put it on the card and I'm wondering if that is my problem.
I knew about disconnecting the data, coming form an 8525 and an BT GPS

I'm suprised that 3.0.1 works on WM6, it closed abruptly on my 8525 (running Black Satin WM6) every time I touched any display button while actively navigating. Only the v4 worked solid for me. I personally don't miss the map loader since now the a single file contains the whole country including Hawaii, something you could never load except by itself due to some goofy NavTec contract issue. The v4 map is only 1.3 gig and 4gig micro SD's are now fairly available and reasonably priced.

I tried it and it took like 5 minutes to come up after clicking on the icon. Not good.

w4rmk said:
I tried it and it took like 5 minutes to come up after clicking on the icon. Not good.
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Read previous posts on this thread. Disconnect Data before booting it up and it should be fine.

chop69 said:
Did you do anything unusual to get iGuidance 3.0.1 working? I keeps crashing on me on a fresh out of the box Tilt. Do you have it installed in main memory or on the storage card? I put it on the card and I'm wondering if that is my problem.
I knew about disconnecting the data, coming form an 8525 and an BT GPS
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I didnt do anything special. I just loaded it up on the device (Storage card option) and went to town.

yeah i just loaded it on the device and put the map on the card. true about it only being 1.3gb but while i only have 2gb overall, until i get a new card.

kjones2k1 said:
I have iguidance v4, but I have a problem with the maps. Instructions tell me to load the map folder on my SD card, but I don't want to put 1.4GBs worth of maps when I only want 1 or 2 states for the time being. Is there any way to just load 1 state's map?
Ken
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IGuidance v.3 works great (and is, imo, the best gps software available) on AT&T Tilt. Version 4, because it is one continuous map (instead of individual state files) is an all or nothing install. If that is a problem, I have a nice almost-brand new version 3 that I would ever so happy to trade you for so you can load only the states you need. Let me know.

RemE said:
I'm suprised that 3.0.1 works on WM6, it closed abruptly on my 8525 (running Black Satin WM6) every time I touched any display button while actively navigating. Only the v4 worked solid for me. I personally don't miss the map loader since now the a single file contains the whole country including Hawaii, something you could never load except by itself due to some goofy NavTec contract issue. The v4 map is only 1.3 gig and 4gig micro SD's are now fairly available and reasonably priced.
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OK now I see the problems you are talking about. It starts up just fine and if I'm just using it to follow where I am (not navigating) it works fine, but if you tap the menu button to set a destination or try to pan the map, it locks up. This is on a freshly hard reset Tilt with nothing else installed at the moment. Program installed to main memory and the maps on SD.

OK I kind of found a solution (and maybe the reason why some people have it working.) The on screen keys will quit working after it goes into full screen mode. The solution unfortunately is going back to 3.0. That works for me because I don't use the spoken directions. I've seen over on gpspassion.com that 4.0 still has some bugs, so I will wait until they patch it to make the switch.

What did you guys do to get the GPS working? I just got my tilt today and I can't figure out how to get the GPS info working into iGuidance....any help would be awesome.

just make sure the gps settings in i guidance are set to port 4 with the 4800 baudrate. let me know if there are any problems.
p.s. make sure you mention your exchange server on the kaiser forum for those that didn't go from hermes to kaiser.

y2whisper said:
just make sure the gps settings in i guidance are set to port 4 with the 4800 baudrate. let me know if there are any problems.
p.s. make sure you mention your exchange server on the kaiser forum for those that didn't go from hermes to kaiser.
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Ya I finally got it to work. I had it set up like that, but the phone wasn't picking up satelites in my house...but when I went outside it started working.
I'll re-post another forum thread later today for Exchange in the Kaiser forum.

Newbie question, how to remove Garmin XT intall pop up

I installed Garmin XT on my Kaiser to try it out, got it to work but did not like it, I removed it but now every time I soft reset or restart the phone it asks me if I want to install Garmin XT, I have removed everything I can think of from the phone memory and from the storage card, but it still asks me, there is nothing in the startup folder I can think of that is doing this, can anyone give me a clue to what I can do to stop this pop up ?
Thanks in Advance

Look for a folder called 2577 on your Storage Card. It probably has an autorun.inf in it. Either delete it or rename it.

Just a blip, I spoke with a Garmin PDA specialist at CES last week and they will be making a version of the program that will run on a Kaiser WITHOUT needing a memory card, like the other mapping progs, finally! He said fairly soon, next few weeks/months.

Co Pilot maps not visible after ROM upgrade??

Not sure if I'm doing something wrong here but after the 6.1 ROM upgrade I installed Co-Pilot again, running the lot from the desktop Central programme (makiing a point of deleting anything 2577 or Co-Pilot related on the storage card). Only thing I changed this time is that I installed the programme on the device and the map on the card. I got messages saying installs were successful.
Now though, when I launch Co-Pilot I get now map, just a white screen where map detail should be. I'm wondering if it's something to do with configuration or whether the split install is something it can't handle. Must say I'm not too impressed with this software overall and I find the Central desktop application abysmal. I'll have another couple of attempts but if I cannot install it the way I WANT IT to install I think I'll consign it to the scrap heap and get a dedicated sat nav for nav purposes. Wasn't the main reason I got the TyTn, given the problems I'm glad!!!!! I would have thought it quite reasonable that someone installing maps would wish to do so on their card rather than the device (given the size) and also reasonable that for speed of access to the system they'd put the programme on the device.
None of this is helped by the user documentation which is also pretty dire, esp when it comes to trouble shooting!!!!

Well after wasting hours messing around with this I have finally got it working but I can only get it to work with the map loaded to the device along with the programme. Must say that if this is supoosed to lead the way in terms of PDA sat nav I dread to think what the rest are like!!!! Apart from the fact that it refuses to recognise the map if not loaded to the device (regardless of how complete the uninstall, deletion of folders and re-booting etc) I have also tried to upload the other voices etc and regardless of what I try the device will not recognise they are there.
For me a truly awful application and the desktop application is worse!! I constantly get the message saying "alk.copilot.updater has stopped working", even after upgrading Central to the lastest version (and even that was an exercise in scouring the internet and rummaging for information). I'm really glad that sat nav/GPS was not a primary motivator for buying the TyTn. Maybe others work better on it??
Once I return to the UK I shall buy a dedicated sat nav and rip this Co-Pilot garbage out of my PDA and consign it to where it belongs. There are sat navs and sat navs and for me Co-Pilot is one that I would not give the time of day to.

CoPilot
Hi
You seem a bit stressed over copilot.
I have this working very well with wm6.1 on the kaiser.
I do not know how you have installed it and how you got any maps on to device most maps are over 100meg.
Can I suggest you remove copilot and reinstall to card only using a card reader and not using device connected to pc.
Over all I have found copilot to better in most areas over tomtom except poi handling, certainly the on screen information is better and gps lock is faster.
The above comment apply to CoPilot 7 live.
Mike

I certainly bleedin have ;-)
Ended up with both installed to device (using Abu Dhabi map only, maybe it's smaller). I may try stripping out and putting both the app and the map on the card. Works OK now with both on device but once I get any other maps to put on (but not likely at mo) I will struggle with storage on the device. I would have thought the programme would/could go on device and map(s) on the card. Seems not.
Co-Pilot Central seems a SHED load more of a problem than it's worth.

Well, having tried and tried I'm about to give up the ghost with CoPilot.
Only thing I have NOT yet tried as has been suggested is installing CoPilot to my card using a reader. I assume that once you have Co-Pilot Central installed on a PC there is some option to select that allows you to do this??
Essentially I have stripped Co-Pilot out of the TyTn. Hard Reset and deleted anything Co-Pilot from the SD card. I even uninstalled the awful desktop Central, deleted all folders and cleared the PC Registry. Having re-installed Central I then hooked up the device and chose option to install Co-Pilot Live. I chose the Storage card as location. After a successful install message I downloaded the map via the website having started Co-Pilot on the device and follwed the instructions. I installed THAT to the card to. Net result, open Co-Pilot, get 'Enjoy your map' message and, hep presto blank map!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really is the most outstandingly crap software I have EVER come across. Not as if I'm trying some convoluted set-up or anything. Simply following the instructions and prompts. Time to scrap it I think!!!!!

Well. I give up. Unless I install BOTH on the device I CANNOT get the map/roads to show up in CoPilot.
Having mailed ALK customer support twice on this and got no reply (despite the 'We'll get back to you by end of next working day') I can only conclude the customer support is as poor as the website and the software. Time to put disc in bin!!!!

I have a log open at ALK support now in relation to this, having contacted them by another route. If I get a response that gets this to work I will post it here. Below is a fuller update of the processes I am going through to TRY and get this to work with BOTH installed on the Storage Card, just in case others come across this having searched re the same problem. I did LOADS of searches in all manner of engines and all manner of terms related to the problem but got no direct matches anywhere:
Systems information:
HTC branded TyTn II, Windows Mobile 6.1
SanDisk 8GB Micro SD card (not used in any other device)
CoPilot CD (free with TyTn II) - loads version 0.5.59.2 of CoPilot Central. After upgrade on device is complete version 7.0.2.258 of Live is installed
Windows Vista Business (SP1)
Procedure Followed (nothing else having worked!!!!):
1. Installed CoPilot Central to PC. Once loaded, open CoPilot Central (selecting upgrade later) under 'Plan Route' select Middle East map region (currently in UAE with work).
2. Engaged 'Flight' mode on phone to turn off potential interruption. Connect device to PC by USB. Installed CoPilot live when prompted to SD card.
3. Could not download maps at this time - kept getting device not recognised message.
4. Left device connected to PC. PC eventually indicated 'An update for CoPilot Live is available - do you want to update'. Selected "Yes".
5. Downloaded the update, it was updated to the device and it created a 2577 (auto run) folder on SD card.
6. Uninstalled current (OLD) Co-Pilot Live from device and delete ALL Co-Pilot related folders on card and device (root directory and Programs - if any).
7. Soft reset device.
8. Turn device back on. Took out and re-inserted SD card, prompted install of CoPilot Live.
9. Install CoPilot Live again to SD Card. This was a personal choice as I did not want the app or its maps on the device (too much space), esp as some maps are large.
10. Soft reset device.
11. Connect device to PC by USB to get internet connection. Followed on screen instructions (got several messages - "Invalid Device - Please refer to provider" at this stage but EVENTUALLY go site to allow me to download!!!). Saved download to 'My Documents' on device and checked 'Open file once downloaded'.
12. Followed install instructions and install map to SD Card also.
13. Soft reset device.
14 Open CoPilot Live on device. Hey Presto - NO MAP!!!! All I get is a blank screen with a couple of POIs indicating Mosques in god knows where!!!!!!!
Despite this massively convoluted process I STILL cannot get CoPilot to work and show its maps on a storage card installation from the computer based CD which came with the TyTn II. Later I uninstalled both from the SD card and re-installed both to the device and the map shows up????????????
Perhaps understandably I am about to give up and buy a dedicated Sat Nav!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HI, dear Empgamer,
Me too have same problems with the HTC TyTn II, windows 6.0 still because 6.1 has too many complaints. Therefore I did not instal. I got co-pilot DVD instanlled on PC. Got one Free city map as my choice but unfortunatley did not work. I have tried many times the same way as mentioned above on this forum wihtout any success. No map . Blank Screen although copilot seems working and displaying stupid options like I am going to fly to Mars.
Surprisingly no words from HTC nor from Copilot.

CoPilot
Hi
What version of Copilot are you trying to install,
If you have the dvd install using a card reader its faster and will not be interupted.
I have it working flawlessly om my kaiser with Duttys rom

Hi both
I am using the HTC stock 6.1 ROM as I am quite happy with that, it works fine on my device and I have the new video driver cab installed too.
Strangely I CAN get CoPilot to work fine if BOTH programme and map are installed on the device. Trying the below does NOT work:
1) Programme on device, map on SD card
2) Programme and map on SD card
I have an open question on ALK tech support site regarding this and will wait a response. I have to say I have neither the time or inclination to mess about with this any more having wasted HOURS installing, re-installing, soft and hard re-setting, installing and updating etc. All to no avail. Either I will find eventually how to get both working from an SD card or I will eventually uninstall CoPilot, bin it, and buy a stand-alone sat nav system.
I didn't really buy the device as a sat nav anyway so it's no big deal but it would be nice to be able to get it to work. I cannot see what is so complex or unorthodox about what I am trying to do. I do have a card reader but my CoPilot came on a CD and when CoPilot Central (abysmal software) installs I can see no option anywhere to get it to interface with a storage card reader either directly or by way of a wizard. See above re version numbers.

VERY SLOW AT&T Tilt ---- Maybe fixed?

I know that I am not the ONLY one to have a problem with an incredibly PAINFULLY slow Tilt. It is a surprise im not finding WAY more posts on this forum about it.
Lets cover the basics first:
Stock 6.1 Rom
Stock Radio
LOADS of programs
All Kaiser Tweaks performed
Tom Tom Navi 7....Full USA and Canada on SD Card
18.12 Meg free storage and 50.39 Meg free program memory (At the time of this post)
Lets cover the issues next:
HOLYYYY SLOW.....click on "messaging" and 20 seconds later it would come up.
SLOWWWW Texting.... Start typing and 10 seconds after finishing typing the screen would catch up.
SLOWWWW deleting messages.... it would take about 5 minutes to delete a batch of 10 text messages with just "Hi" written in them.
SLOWWWWW Tom Tom...I know some of this is related to the "Class action issue" but it was never THISSS slow. Only got really slow after I installed USA CANADA on SD card.
FIX????:
Sitting at work here, I was bored. I decided to pop out my SD card (PNY SDHC 4GB). On the SD card I have: Tom Tom (Map only), ScummVM, DCIM (Cam Pics), Doom, Quake.... Nothing system related.
As soon as I removed the card....BAM...EVERYTHING IS FAST.
Like mega fast.... no lag on the keys with texts....deletes texts fast...system menus are fast....programs load instantly...."control panel" loads instantly. Even GPSTEST gets a fix almost immediately!!!!
So whats the fix?? 98% of us use SD cards. and the other 2% would not be looking at this post because they dont have the speed issues.
Is it the SDHC?? I know that causes problems with alot of other devices (Wii, Digi Camera for example). maybe fragmented card???? maybe crappy card????
Does anyone else concur with this find???
Im pretty sure I didnt overlook this post somewhere else....so dont flame if I did!
Tom

Sounds like it's time to try a new card. Mine would be slow, sometimes stop responding. A new storage card and all was well. The old card works fine in my card reader on my desktop, just not the tilt.

ragutom said:
I know that I am not the ONLY one to have a problem with an incredibly PAINFULLY slow Tilt. It is a surprise im not finding WAY more posts on this forum about it.
Lets cover the basics first:
Stock 6.1 Rom
Stock Radio
LOADS of programs
All Kaiser Tweaks performed
Tom Tom Navi 7....Full USA and Canada on SD Card
18.12 Meg free storage and 50.39 Meg free program memory (At the time of this post)
Lets cover the issues next:
HOLYYYY SLOW.....click on "messaging" and 20 seconds later it would come up.
SLOWWWW Texting.... Start typing and 10 seconds after finishing typing the screen would catch up.
SLOWWWW deleting messages.... it would take about 5 minutes to delete a batch of 10 text messages with just "Hi" written in them.
SLOWWWWW Tom Tom...I know some of this is related to the "Class action issue" but it was never THISSS slow. Only got really slow after I installed USA CANADA on SD card.
FIX????:
Sitting at work here, I was bored. I decided to pop out my SD card (PNY SDHC 4GB). On the SD card I have: Tom Tom (Map only), ScummVM, DCIM (Cam Pics), Doom, Quake.... Nothing system related.
As soon as I removed the card....BAM...EVERYTHING IS FAST.
Like mega fast.... no lag on the keys with texts....deletes texts fast...system menus are fast....programs load instantly...."control panel" loads instantly. Even GPSTEST gets a fix almost immediately!!!!
So whats the fix?? 98% of us use SD cards. and the other 2% would not be looking at this post because they dont have the speed issues.
Is it the SDHC?? I know that causes problems with alot of other devices (Wii, Digi Camera for example). maybe fragmented card???? maybe crappy card????
Does anyone else concur with this find???
Im pretty sure I didnt overlook this post somewhere else....so dont flame if I did!
Tom
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Sounds like you have manila on your phone with lots of mp3s on the sd card.

In Testing
Still working with it. Bought a Kingston SDHC 8 gb card from newegg. I will try that tonight probably!
Tom

ChumleyEX said:
Sounds like you have manila on your phone with lots of mp3s on the sd card.
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No Manila..... tho there are alot of MPEG type files on the card.... haha ;-)

So did we conclude that the microsd card was the problem? I got the same issues but I was thinking of reformatting the card instead of replacing it.

ragutom said:
Still working with it. Bought a Kingston SDHC 8 gb card from newegg. I will try that tonight probably!
Tom
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Hey ragutom,
What is going on?
Please, I'm so eager to hear from you.
n.

i appologize....i have not been able to try it yet....very busy week....As I am sitting here typing this tho....the cursor is barely keeping up.
i will let you all know soon though.
tom

If that didn't fix it, try removing all of the mp3's from it.

I took my card out and its still slow. Will a build up of text messages cause the phone to go slow?

Usually when U dont clear out alot of your sent, text or inbox stuff it build up & slows down the Tilt also. And cleaning up those cookies (if any) might work as well.

I've had these issues before.
It's because there isn't much room n the SD card. I had movies on my card for a while with just a little room left... removed them and wallah!!! fast-o change-o.
8 gig card? i thought the kaiser only supported up to a 2gig sd card.

UPDATE!!!!
ok
so its been a while since I posted..... I have been checking the posts as they come in....but havent been replying (sorry! reallly busy)
Everyone seems to have good points and ideas.
Obviously there may be many solutions to this problem..
I did finally get the 8 gig kingston card in.... moved everything off the old card...onto my comp...then back on the new card. everything is faster now.
I dont think it was entirely the card though......
Message management sped up entirely after i deleted the 500+ emails (some with large attachments) that i didnt realize were being saved in the deleted folder! (I usually keep my text folder clean)
Tom Tom sped up after i hid the USA CANADA map from the program and downloaded my "one free local map". Now I use the local map for MOST things....and the VERY SLOW USA CANADA map for trips out of the area (not common) ((((If anyone has any suggestions for this let me know)))) to give an example....I put it on demo mode with the USA CANADA and it took 10 minutes to go 1 mile in 100% mode.....local takes only a minute for the same stretch.
Picture taking still sucks. Although I have WAY more free space....
Typing in messages sped up to..... probably cuz of deleting messages too.....
hopefully this answers some questions......its not the end all solution that I was thinking tho.....
But to answer one question fully...... the Tilt does support 8 gig cards and SDHC compliance
Tom

ahighone said:
8 gig card? i thought the kaiser only supported up to a 2gig sd card.
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No, supports up to 32 gb sdhc. I'm using a 16 gb one

I have installed new ROM (Thanks a million shifu) and the result is powerful little gadget. Works great, no slowing down. Just one small problem with hardware keyboard and wrong Fn signs.
Hope it helps.

Nele12 said:
I have installed new ROM (Thanks a million shifu) and the result is powerful little gadget. Works great, no slowing down. Just one small problem with hardware keyboard and wrong Fn signs.
Hope it helps.
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You just need the Tilt Keyboard Fix to correct the FN keys.

mrdiavolo, thanks, did it, didn't help.
My phone is TytnII not Tilt, and the cab helps when you are flashing a non AT&T ROM onto the Tilt.
Thanks anyway.

Nele12 said:
mrdiavolo, thanks, did it, didn't help.
My phone is TytnII not Tilt, and the cab helps when you are flashing a non AT&T ROM onto the Tilt.
Thanks anyway.
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Take a read of shifu first page it's in red