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I cannot find a decent explanation of some of the power management options available for my Diamond and so I wondered if an expert would mind explaining what the following are, what they do and how much power we might expect to save by enabling them in the power management section of advanced config:
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PPTP1
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I dont want to compromise the ease of going online, my IMAP email polling or my push email through ActiveSync, but of course I am keen to extend battery life.
In addition, I have found that during my 1 hour commute undergroud each day, my battery goes down by about 20%! However, the next hour (in my office), battery usage drops by only around 5-10% depending on usage. Does anyone have any specific advise to help with this? On the underground, the device goes to sleep as well as I am not using it.
Thanks in advance.
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In addition, I have found that during my 1 hour commute undergroud each day, my battery goes down by about 20%! However, the next hour (in my office), battery usage drops by only around 5-10% depending on usage. Does anyone have any specific advise to help with this? On the underground, the device goes to sleep as well as I am not using it.
Thanks in advance.
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that's normal. using yr phone in a place where the reception is not good will drain yr battery faster.
i can add (there is a relation) that the level of radiation that any phone is emitting it is also higher when reception it is not strong enough. i've seen it demonstrated yesterday. entering in yr car double the level of radiation, in an elevator the radiation increases 10 folds! yr phone tries to connect and that's energy consuming and radiation emitting (electromagnetic).
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that's normal. using yr phone in a place where the reception is not good will drain yr battery faster.
i can add (there is a relation) that the level of radiation that any phone is emitting it is also higher when reception it is not strong enough. i've seen it demonstrated yesterday. entering in yr car double the level of radiation, in an elevator the radiation increases 10 folds! yr phone tries to connect and that's energy consuming and radiation emitting (electromagnetic).
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Thanks for that. Now I am not sure if I should try and solve this problem or throw away my phone and save the radiation
But just in case I choose to keep using it, is there anything I can do to mitigate this rapid power loss at all? Is there a setting which will stop the phone from trying too hard in these circumstances?
Check this out:
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Cell-Phone-Battery-Last-Longer
The Jones said:
Thanks for that. Now I am not sure if I should try and solve this problem or throw away my phone and save the radiation
But just in case I choose to keep using it, is there anything I can do to mitigate this rapid power loss at all? Is there a setting which will stop the phone from trying too hard in these circumstances?
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don't save the radiation!
the ministry of health in my country just issue a general warning regarding the danger of prolonged/heavy use of mobile phones. it is strongly recommended to use the phone only in open spaces and with headphones. they even warn the mobile phone users not to sleep with their phone close by. the phone is constantly emitting electromagnetic radiations.
i guess that you bought yr phone not too long ago. i know it sounds strange but after a few cycles yr battery's life is going to improve and i am not the only one to observe it.
don't stop the charging when the battery icon is full. i learned using a wall charger with LED (red for charging, green for charged) that after diamond's icon said 100% the charging continues for at least 30 minutes more (the led was not fully green but was blinking red-green).
from my experience u can use all power management option from shap's advanced configuration without loosing yr connectivity. i can not tell u what those option are but after using all i can tell that diamond's battery life improved.
I have tried using all the power saving options in advanced config tool, but when I restarted my device, I lost connectivity. I couldnt connect to anything. So I set them back to disabled, soft reset the phone and all is well again.
Any idea what that could be?
Hi, i've had my tilt for about a month now, and I have a really large complaint about the battery.. I now have a rom with a battery % meter, and when i'm using anything with 3G, whether it be youtube, checking e-mails, or internet, it sucks almost 1% of battery life per minute!! I have kaisertweak set to turn 3G off after two minutes, but still, what If i'm on IM and I need to wait for someone to message me? I can't have 3g off and expect to recieve anything, but I still don't want to lose my battery in 1 hour if I leave 3g running!
This has ALWAYS been a big complaint about 3G, not only for Kaiser, That's originally why Apple didn't release 3G on their first iPhone. It sucks batteries faster than and Fat kid sucks Twinkies.
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This has ALWAYS been a big complaint about 3G, not only for Kaiser, That's originally why Apple didn't release 3G on their first iPhone. It sucks batteries faster than and Fat kid sucks Twinkies.
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MMMMMMMMMM........................................Twinkies
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Hi, i've had my tilt for about a month now, and I have a really large complaint about the battery.. I now have a rom with a battery % meter, and when i'm using anything with 3G, whether it be youtube, checking e-mails, or internet, it sucks almost 1% of battery life per minute!! I have kaisertweak set to turn 3G off after two minutes, but still, what If i'm on IM and I need to wait for someone to message me? I can't have 3g off and expect to recieve anything, but I still don't want to lose my battery in 1 hour if I leave 3g running!
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You could do a google search for the tweak that turns on the 3G switch in the Comm manager (I'm running the stock AT&T Rom, so I don't know if it's different for custom ROM's etc.) which will switch the phone to Edge rather than HSDPA. This will increase your battery life and still allow you to use IM etc. Internet will just be slower.
EDIT: IT's not a tweak I was thinking of, the option is in Advanced Config - start up Advanced Config (find and install it if you don't already have it) and go to the Menu > Comm Manager option (right soft-key). Check on 3G in that panel, then restart the phone. Open your comm manager and you'll have an option to turn 3G on or off. As I said, it'll still allow slower internet connections over Edge, and will preserve your battery life.
Firstly, try leaving 3G on, and using your phone like you'd want to. I'm pretty sure your phone won't turn off at all after 1hr. Your battery meter is most probably badly calibrated, which makes your battery display run down fast - only to stay for 3 hours at 20%.
Good lord.. Unless I'm actively transferring lots of data, this is an insane drain rate. Something else is wrong, no question.
On 3G with FlexMail with idle IMAP on two folders and periodic sync on 4 more, I drop 2-3%/hr.
It worked for me
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You could do a google search for the tweak that turns on the 3G switch in the Comm manager (I'm running the stock AT&T Rom, so I don't know if it's different for custom ROM's etc.) which will switch the phone to Edge rather than HSDPA. This will increase your battery life and still allow you to use IM etc. Internet will just be slower.
EDIT: IT's not a tweak I was thinking of, the option is in Advanced Config - start up Advanced Config (find and install it if you don't already have it) and go to the Menu > Comm Manager option (right soft-key). Check on 3G in that panel, then restart the phone. Open your comm manager and you'll have an option to turn 3G on or off. As I said, it'll still allow slower internet connections over Edge, and will preserve your battery life.
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Thank you for this comment. I too was experiencing massive battery drain with 3G/HSDPA on constantly once it became available in my area (just this month - yes I'm in the backwoods). Once I turned it off via the Comm Manager, (I had Advanced Config already installed - great app!) it reverted to Edge, just like it used to, and my battery life has gone back to almost normal. I assume I can go back and turn the 3G on again the same way when I want higher speed access again, right? Thanks for the tip!!
Hi there. Ive had my Nexus One for nearly a month. I barely use it but ive noticed that the battery goes down EXTREMELY fast. Looking at it right now, it says it has been unplugged for 13 hours, 11minutes, 54 seconds with 28% of battery left. Earlier today I was at 4 hours something with 48% left.
It says Cell Standby is using 35%, Phone Idle using 33%. Thats 68% of my battery and all my phone really does it sit on the desk next to me.
Why is it like this? Also, how can i make it last longer?
Thanks for all the help
Sounds like you are in a spotty coverage area. That explains why the Cell Standby is using so much battery trying to hang on to the 3G connection.
How many bars do you have? and which N1 model is it? TMO or AT&T?
Also do you use wifi?
Hi there Thanks for the reply . I actually turned my 3G off, and now just running on a 2G conection. I thought maybe it was trying to connect to 3G heaps and that was chomping through my battery. With my 2g connection right now I have full connection. Im pretty sure with 3G I was the same, maybe 1 or 2 less.
I do use Wifi, however I turned that off. Also, I live in New Zealand not America so I dont have AT&T - Not sure what TMO is.
He's referring to the version of the Nexus that you have. AT&T or T-mobile, and is a reference to the frequencies that are used, not the actual company,
Ahh ok Thanks. 900/2100 UMTS
I think you are confused about those numbers, those numbers are the amount of battery each item takes up. So Your cell standby takes up 38% of each instant your battery is running. It did not take 38% of your battery. Wifi is significatly better on battery then 2g or 3g, i would advise always use wifi when you can.
Are you using exchange push? 2.2 has a bug that if you are not rooted on a new rom can create this rapid battery drain on exchange.
I recommend getting os monitor and seeing what is taking up the load.
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This sounds really similar to what was happening to me the first week with my N1. Cell Stand by was my biggest battery killer. A few posts above has it correct.
Ironically, by turning off wifi in an attempt to save battery I caused my phone to use the cell antenna which uses more power, and takes longer to complete each task. I now leave wifi on whenever I am near my routers, and even most of the time when I am not.
Turning off live wallpapers and disabling auto updates on social networking apps can also be a big help.
Run a few 24 hour tests changing some of those factors, but generally, think about wifi as a battery saver and you should get a bit better results. Your not using exchange right?
Yep. Wifi should be a priority over network connection. Make sure you also change the wifi sleep policy to "never" (settings > wireless & networks > wifi settings > hit menu button > advanced > wifi sleep policy > never).
Also I would double check the APN settings to make sure you are using the best/latest settings for your carrier. (settings > wireless & networks > mobile networks > access point names) Make sure the one selected matches the recommended settings for your carrier (you need to call your carrier or google the settings).
Other than that, maybe a reboot would help? pull and reinsert battery?
Hope that helps.
Ok Thanks for all the replies. I dont have any push notifications set to automatically update and I dont use any social networking apps. Ill turn Wi-Fi on now and even though I set it to "never" sleep - it still does when I lock the screen...but thats another problem .
Im not using any exchange push, not even sure what that is.
Cheers
Yes keep WiFi on will save you an enormous amount of battery, no question. The difference is huge for me. And your WiFi sleep policy should be set to never. If you have the bug where this setting does not work, then that stinks and you could install the new driver that fixes it. But for now you would need to be rooted until the fix is official.
I have now enabled Wi-Fi and put 3G back on. However my battery is still draining fast. It now says my Wi-Fi is using up 30+% of my battery. Im losing about 8-10% of battery every hour - Im pretty sure that isnt normal?
The other place to check is: settings->applications->running services.
See if there is something in there that you don't think should be running. Your display should be using the most battery, so it sounds like something is running automatically.
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Yep. Wifi should be a priority over network connection. Make sure you also change the wifi sleep policy to "never" (settings > wireless & networks > wifi settings > hit menu button > advanced > wifi sleep policy > never).
Also I would double check the APN settings to make sure you are using the best/latest settings for your carrier. (settings > wireless & networks > mobile networks > access point names) Make sure the one selected matches the recommended settings for your carrier (you need to call your carrier or google the settings).
Other than that, maybe a reboot would help? pull and reinsert battery?
Hope that helps.
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i have a similar problem with my battery i see that your on fido network like me whats the apn setting your using?
@adambenjamin: Thanks had a look. Everything that is running I want running, nothing that shouldnt be there.
@d.brown: Whats a fido network? I live in New Zealand, your flag is showing Canada - so we arent on the same network?
@everyone: So just a little update/recap. Basically my battery gets drained quite fast. Basically all my phone does is sit on the table next to me. I might send 5 or less texts a day, thats it - That will be all I do with my phone. I DONT have any push updates, no social networking. I have my brightness down to the lowest it can go.
I am on 3G, have set Wi-Fi to "never" sleep (However it does anyway).
Right now my phone has been unplugged from being charged for 8hours 24 minutes with only 45% of the battery left - I have sent two texts today and thats the ONLY time I have used my phone. My display is using 31%, Cell Standby 27% and phone idle 24% = 82%
Something I have changed recently is going from one network to another. The network I was one of the two biggest in my country (Which means it has alot of towers). I changed to another network which has been going for just over a year (Less towers). Could my battery be running down faster than normal because its harder to find a signal than before?
Also, my signal strength is -107dBm 4 asu (Absoloutley no idea what that means, but might be valuable to somebody out there who can help)
Thanks for all the help
Switch to GSM Auto (PRL) instead of WCDMA Auto. this helped battery life immensely for me. i can get to around 20 hours of moderate use usually
edit: to do this, you'll have to make a shortcut to the "phone info" activity using anycut or bettercut or another shortcut app.
once in "Phone Info", there's a drop down where you can select gsm auto (prl)
Dunno if it was mentioned, get OSMonitor (free from market) and see if Email.apk is stuck at full cpu load. It's been a problem since 2.1, it does that sometimes. If it's at more than 10%, kill it and re-launch it.
Hmm well strangley my Battery seems to be alot better now. Been on for 1day, 15hours, 23minutes and its on 73% remaining. Before it would last like 15 at most and be out. All I did was Turn W-Fi back on. Thanks everybody for there help
Been having the same issues as you, it's kinda getting annoying now.
I'm pretty much the same as you. I'll send a couple of texts a day or so, then put the phone to sleep and leave it for a couple of hours etc. No continuous usage.
From say, 8am till 9pm, I'm left with under 20% left, after EXTREMELY light usage. Sending a couple of texts and turning the screen on to check the time a few times shouldn't even be considered usage at all!
I'm just a bit envious of others who claim 2-3 days with light net browsing, a few texts etc. Thats more than me, yet they use less power.
On top of that, I'm running CM6 which includes an undervolted kernel a.k.a less power usage....ummm?
I've tried everything!
1) I've underclocked to max 384mhz when the screen is off (960 max when screen is on)
2) Wifi is usually left on
3) Data is usually turned off
4) No rogue apps detected
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At the end of each day I check "Spare Parts" in my battery history to try and find an app that is using an abnormal amount of battery...Everythings fine.
5) Under "running services" all there is are my widget services (none data-related. eg Set Cpu widget, battery widget, Fancy Widget)
6) The screen is on auto brightness
7) Sync is off
8) GSM Auto is set instead of WCDMA preferred.
Everything!
I'm pretty much limiting the use of the phone just to make it through the day on standby.
And please, don't accuse me of someone complaining about their 12 hours, 32 minutes of "light usage" (6 hours web browsing, sync turned on, 4 hours of Angry Birds,constant calling/emailing)
I used to be able to leave my phone overnight for 8-9 hours and only have the battery go down 5-6 percent. Now its triple or more. And frustrating.
I really can't think of anything else.
From my experience, when I was running CM6 RC1, I was getting about 2 day's battery life with pershoots (pre-720p) 2.35 uv oc kernal. After upgrading to RC2, I no longer got good battery life, and I tried everything I know of with little luck.
I decided to try a new ROM and kernel. Now I am using Geo's frf91 stock deodexed blackbar v6.1 with the Stock kernel. This is now my favorite ROM/kernel combination. Try that one out and see how you run at stock levels, then maybe flash a new kernel if you want. Pershot, and Wildmonk are the local favorites, but I found them to leave me with sporadic overheating/ touch screen or reboot to X screen glitches. I would try a few days away from CM, to at least isolate some variables.
What version of CM6 are you running?
Hi, I got a new Sony Xperia T yesterday, and it's on 4.1.2 (it's bootloader unlocked which really sucks because I was looking forward to getting some custom ROMs). I installed JuiceDefender as Stamina Mode isn't (yet, hopefully it does come soon) available on the Xperia T, but I seem to be getting the Stamina Mode icon in my status bar. Does anyone know why this is happening? Any help is greatly appreciated.
1) If your bootloader is unlocked you CAN install custom kernels
2) Juice defender is not needed on JB roms (IMHO)
3) That is not the stamina mode icon, it is extended standby mode. Look for the setting in power management in settings.
Thanks for the reply:
Sorry, I meant it is bootloader locked, not unlocked, haha
Do you think you could elaborate on this and explain why? I found that the battery drained really quickly so I thought the best thing to do would be to get JuiceDefender, but I am certainly open to suggestions.
Thanks, I read elsewhere that it was the stamina mode icon so that's what got me confused!
The ROM handles that stuff better. I have not used JD since I got onto ICS. In the end it becomes more of a battery hog than it can save.
With stock apps like smart connect and location based wifi you can set up profiles that do what JD does.
If you have the phone new then it will take a week or so for the battery to settle down, so do expect big battery drain for a week, then it will settle down.
Thanks for the informative comments, I've read so many mixed reviews of JuiceDefender but I have uninstalled it and instead installed AutomateIt, and created triggers so that when I turn the screen off, it turns WiFi & mobile data off. Do you think this is a good choice? Once again, thanks for your help!
No, Leave the phone to do it itself
Extended stanby mode turns off data when the screen is off.
I suggest that everybody goes at least a month without trying any of these apps, you will see that (IMHO) they don't make any difference and can, in fact, make things worse by clashing with what the hone itself wants to do.
Ah okay, I shall try just using Sony's standby mode, and I'll uninstall AutomateIt. Hopefully this helps my battery (and hopefully stamina mode comes to the Xperia T soon too!). Thank you for all of your help.
I left my phone off for about an hour with extended standby mode enabled, but when I returned to use it, the 'History details' page showed that the WiFi was still on the whole time the screen was off:
Any help is greatly appreciated.
reshonda said:
I left my phone off for about an hour with extended standby mode enabled, but when I returned to use it, the 'History details' page showed that the WiFi was still on the whole time the screen was off:
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Mine does exactly the same, not sure why and when it does this it doesn't really seem to save any battery at all is this normal behavior from the phone?
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Hello, I bought my Oneplus 3T recently and I'm using stick ROMwith ElementalX. The main problem I found is that everytime I look at what consumed the highest percentage of my battery are things like WA, Google Play Services, etc. If I click on the to see what is happening, I always get the Mobile Radio Active working like pretty much all the time.
For example, in a normal use for me which is between 26-30 hours until I decide to charge my phone(between 10-20%), I get a SoT of 4 hours and a half more or less. The problem is that from the total percentage of battery used, these applications which have the Mobile Radio Active problem drain between 10-15% of the total amount of battery, while my screen is like 7% of that total value.
Researching on XDA, I couldn't get any solution to this problem. I call this a problem because, every day I see new photos from people with between 7-9 h of SoT in maybe 20 hours of use. Of course, you can't really call this a bad performance of my phone but I think that this difference of hours with screen on is greater than the amount of time my phone stays with my screen off.
As a consequence, I wanted to know if there is a solution or some tips to reduce that Mobile Radio Active bug in order to extend the time between charges.
Thnk you very much.
Additional information: I cleaned flash stock today + ElementalX kernel + SuperSu to see if this kind of bug dissappears.
To "solve" the Mobile Radio Active bug you must take some extreme steps:
First, Root your device. This MUST be SuperSu unfortunately, as the app I'm going to suggest doesn't allow you to toggle the required settings with Magisk or Phh.
Install LeanDroid.
In settings, allow disabling of Wifi, Cellular Data, Bluetooth, Network Location and GPS Location.
Set to "0 min" after screen off. Click "Except".
Configure this screen to your taste, but I have "Except if tethering", "Except if charging (AC). Under Wifi I have "Except if connected to <my home WIFI>" and I have "Except if active: Limit" set to 100KB/s.
Bluetooth "Except if connected"
Location "Except if GPS in use"
and "Network Mode except if original strength OK."
Go back to the main panel.
Restore "After Screen Unlocked"
"Every 60 MIN after screen off" (Configure this to your liking)
With SuperSU and the above, turning the phone screen off disables the data modem when the transfer rate is low, this effectively shuts down the radio and prevents the Mobile Radio Active bug.
Run this with tools like Greenify and ForceDoze to really pump your battery life.
It's not unusual for me to see 8 hour screen on time with these apps and the above configuration.
and without root?
Just curious, how is the status of this bug ? I followed that Bug for like 1.5Years...since Lollipop i think. I myself tryed several things in Sultans ROMs in a OnePlusOne, but no Solution so far ;-(
Bug is still active. As far as I can tell, it remains active in Oero too.
The only option if you are not rooted is to close all apps and toggle airplane mode before you switch the screen off. This only solves the issue until the next time data is accessed by any app, though
THX for reply. Jepp on Wifi i get 4-5days @3-4h SOT. On Mobile only 2 days
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THX for reply. Jepp on Wifi i get 4-5days @3-4h SOT. On Mobile only 2 days
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Obviously, it takes more power to send/receive signals to a cell tower 10 miles away, versus a WiFi router that is 20 feet away.
Also using WiFi doesn't ensure the modem is Switched off. Modem power doesn't mean data.
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Bug is still active. As far as I can tell, it remains active in Oero too.
The only option if you are not rooted is to close all apps and toggle airplane mode before you switch the screen off. This only solves the issue until the next time data is accessed by any app, though
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This this bugs even remain active in Oreo i will never use android again.
It's existed since Lollipop and I doubt Google will fix it any time soon.
To get 7 hours of on screen time, you will of course have to sacrifice something, the laws of physics are always with us, reminding us from day to day things that can and can't be done. But hey, if you live in a cardboard box next to a cell tower should give you much better battery time without sacrificing the phone-part of your smart device. ? ?