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Which software to use?
In my humble opinion: None......for the Qualcomm there is no software availalble to overclock it....but in time it will come...
try this out guys. application specific.
All this seems to be doing is to change the priority of the threads running certain applications. It does not overclock the CPU like OMAP did.
anyway does this work?
or its like the sktools optimization?
Any progress out there on a safe program to overclock a Kaiser? WM6 is definitely faster than WM5, but alot slower than my old Palm OS Treos.
thanks,
d
I'm also waiting for a piece of software that will allow me to overclock my Kaiser, but still there is no progress at all. As they say - patience is gods' virtue (-:
has anyone tried htc performance?
I believe I read helmi had a hand in creating it???I know this has been used on a few different devices and is very low on batti draw but no one quite knows how it works.Really makes a difference on my device but Im not sure if it would be safe to use or even work with the proccessor on the kaiser.
With the battery life as borderline as it is with the Tilt/Kaiser, I'd shy away from overclocking. You'll get lightening fast speed for the 5 minutes of battery life
ya but...
ya but... with the video drivers we're missing and an overclocker the phone would be lightning quick.Also I was reading that the reality is with the right programmers the next gen phones kaiser , dream and a few others a playstation 2 emulator on the ppc would be possible. imagine being on a plane cut off 3g and phone functions and play ps2 games on your phone. plus with extended and/or extra batteries that are now becoming available...
I do not see the logic. The Kaiser is so fast and has so much memory, why would you risk bricking or prematurely damaging your phone? Just my opinion
punkhawaiian said:
I do not see the logic. The Kaiser is so fast and has so much memory, why would you risk bricking or prematurely damaging your phone? Just my opinion
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Glad to learn that my Kaiser is so fast ! I guess you don't use games or heavy graphical applications, because then you would see that the Kaiser is not faster than an HTC Prophet wich is overclocked at only 240 Mhz ! (380 Mhz for the Kaiser...). Also if you want to play VGA videos, the speed is not good enough (wich it should be if you look at the Qualcomm processors capabilities, but as everyone know here, HTC did'nt make the drivers for that).
I am very disapointed by the fact the Kaiser is not a VGA device, but even more disapointed when you see that it is not even faster than a VGA device !!! So at this low speed, where is the interest of having a QVGA screen compared to VGA ?
Definitly, an overclocker tool may help me to consider keeping my Kaiser (even if I think that at this device price, it's a shame to be obliged to overclock it to have a decent speed ...).
The prophet is slower in my opinion, I don't own a Kaiser, but whenever i use it everything happens faster than on my overclocked WM6 Prophet (overclocked to 286MHz normally).
How does the speed compare to the TyTN, mine should be here on Wednesday... I can't wait!
someone found a tool that really works ?
WOW! and I thought we had enough problem threads on here with overheat and battery deaths!
Look out for many more!!
I upgraded to kaiser from a Tmob Wing, for that I played with an overclocker called Fl0wt. Which did seem to work BUT the battery becames a flamethrower of heat and the battery life was sucked away in no time. this wasnt a big clock speed step either. The parts just arnt suited for the additional heat it seems. plus it felt dangerously hot...like "hit the dirt its going to blow" hot. not worth the risk in my oppinion...but hey thats just me
Can you post a link to "Fl0wt" ive searched far and wide and found nothing. Please post a link.
Cheers !
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Glad to learn that my Kaiser is so fast ! I guess you don't use games or heavy graphical applications, because then you would see that the Kaiser is not faster than an HTC Prophet wich is overclocked at only 240 Mhz ! (380 Mhz for the Kaiser...). Also if you want to play VGA videos, the speed is not good enough (wich it should be if you look at the Qualcomm processors capabilities, but as everyone know here, HTC did'nt make the drivers for that).
I am very disapointed by the fact the Kaiser is not a VGA device, but even more disapointed when you see that it is not even faster than a VGA device !!! So at this low speed, where is the interest of having a QVGA screen compared to VGA ?
Definitly, an overclocker tool may help me to consider keeping my Kaiser (even if I think that at this device price, it's a shame to be obliged to overclock it to have a decent speed ...).
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I beg to differ.
I play LOTS n LOTS of games on my TyTN II AND I watch full feature movies and I use Outlook AND I use GPS AND I use internet (Netfront v3.5) and I have yet to find a speed problem as mentioned in this here cheese and whine forum.
Some of the games I have on my TyTN II are:
Cybersaurus
Warfare Inc
Machines at War
Bejeweled 2
Zuma
Ackys XP Breakout
Shattered Worlds
Call of Duty 2
Darxide EMP
gfDoom
Fast Future Race
G-Prime Extreme
Interstellar Flames
Skyforce Reloaded
Quake & Quake 2
Sinbad Return of the Legends
Flux Challenge
Is this a good enough sample for you?
THE KAISER NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A VGA DEVICE. IT IS STRICTLY QVGA....NOW GET OVER IT!!!
I am starting to believe that AT&T roms are fraught with problems.
I don't have that problem here in SA.
My TyTN 2 is MUCH faster than my iMate KJam....MUCH MUCH FASTER!!!
So I don't know what you are referring to.
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I beg to differ.
I play LOTS n LOTS of games on my TyTN II AND I watch full feature movies and I use Outlook AND I use GPS AND I use internet (Netfront v3.5) and I have yet to find a speed problem as mentioned in this here cheese and whine forum.
Some of the games I have on my TyTN II are:
Call of Duty 2
Is this a good enough sample for you?
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I have Call of Duty 2 too, and it's really slow on the Kaiser compared to other devices. You should see how it runs on other PPC's...
MACkjam said:
I am starting to believe that AT&T roms are fraught with problems.
I don't have that problem here in SA.
My TyTN 2 is MUCH faster than my iMate KJam....MUCH MUCH FASTER!!!
So I don't know what you are referring to.
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I have an T-mobile Kaiser and it's definitely not much faster than a Magician. The difference is really, really small.
And we're referring to the fact that there are no drivers for the ATI Imageon hardware. Thanks to this, everything needs to be rendered by the CPU.
Just saw this Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pENEldRxuwQ
and I am amazed at how quick the menus are on the Touch Pro. Why is the Diamond not as quick as this? Does the latest firmware for Diamond make it as quick?
TIA
touch pro has more memory.
Why do you think it is faster than the Diamond ?, I have ROM 193 and it doesn't seem faster at all (and btw, I only have like 20mb of free RAM, kind of shows you how meaningless this whole RAM issue is).
Mine is as fast - no that roms are being fine tuned - using a beta from a cook here i have to say that vid is nothing exciting and my dimaond is wizzing away - i cant make touch flo lag however erratic i use it...
Im sorry to spoil the party but my Diamond is as quick as the one in the Video or maybe even quicker. (all tweaks applied and Cooked ROM)
Im sure the PRO can be even faster after it takes a stroll down to the kitchen!
luck fellassss
so can a similar speed be seen on a diamond with an official firmware or can it only be achieved with a coked firmware? any videos showing the speed of the Diamond UI which is supposedly just as fast? TIA
Im sure the PRO can be even faster after it takes a stroll down to the kitchen!
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Maybe, but I doubt it will ever be faster than the Diamond.
Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information, rather all software 100% works from RAM (after it loads there, that is). So, you could definitely load more software to the Pro's RAM, but each individual software won't run any quicker than on the Diamond.
The Touch Pro's name should really be changed to "Fat Diamond".
I have stock ROM .. and my Diamond is as fast as the one in the video ..
Noam23 said:
Maybe, but I doubt it will ever be faster than the Diamond.
Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information, rather all software 100% works from RAM (after it loads there, that is). So, you could definitely load more software to the Pro's RAM, but each individual software won't run any quicker than on the Diamond.
The Touch Pro's name should really be changed to "Fat Diamond".
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I agree.
Im not familiar with the Processor the PRO has but im assuming the Processor is the same on both.
I believe the speed is judged by the MGz in the Processor. So if both carry the same processor they should have same speeds.
IMO I might be mistaken.
With the new ROM and tweaking programs my Diamond is very very fast... I'm very pleased now... and I don't like the HTC Touch PRO because is not that slim like the Diamond wich is on of the ``features`` I like about it.
With Bepe 0.98 ROM, Mine is running a little faster than that
Mine is that fast or faster too, thanks Dutty, and that's with a big pile of crap loaded on by me too.
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Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information
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Actually, there is a setting that can make the diamond cache file system....
when cooked touch pro ROMs manifest themselves, we might see a difference though I'm just looking forward to how much the diamond is going to earn on raphaels drivers and software
chribruu said:
when cooked touch pro ROMs manifest themselves, we might see a difference though I'm just looking forward to how much the diamond is going to earn on raphaels drivers and software
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Indeed!!!
Besides if you look at PROS desktop pictures you can see a diference in its Manila, its got a diferent Homepage!
Diamond is gonna inherit much of that wealth.
Luck fellas!
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I have stock ROM .. and my Diamond is as fast as the one in the video ..
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Could you tell me what version your stock ROM is please. Thanks
my diamond is on DUtty v1.6 and it's fast! slightly faster than on the video if i have to say?
I get the same performance as in the video with a 1.37 Swedish stock rom.
The only (tempoarary) performance issues I have with TF3D is after I for instance close down Opera or do some other CPU intensive task. It then usually takes a few seconds before the menus are back to being as responsive as usual. But that's it.
I have however applied the standard registry tweaks, but as far as I can remember I did not observe any significant change in performance.
Techno79 said:
Could you tell me what version your stock ROM is please. Thanks
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take a look at at my Signature
Hey...
i flashed my x1 with nearly every custom rom released here in forum... now im back at stock spl and stock vodafone ger rom... and its crazy.. to my mind its faster than ever before with a custom rom
strange for german rom i know that my rom is definitly faster , but if you are happy with the stock rom then it is ok
each to their own...
You're absolutely right but he broiught to my mind these ole tytn days when a stremlined cooked ROM realy realy SIGNIFICATIVELY improved the phone and I was wondering why I wasn't feeling the same on my X1
Even small changes freeing a couple of extra MB of RAM (eg. deleting some MS crap) was a big bang on a 64MB device
Then I remembered I have 300MB RAM
Real speed gain would be nice...
gtrab said:
You're absolutely right but he broiught to my mind these ole tytn days when a stremlined cooked ROM realy realy SIGNIFICATIVELY improved the phone and I was wondering why I wasn't feeling the same on my X1
Even small changes freeing a couple of extra MB of RAM (eg. deleting some MS crap) was a big bang on a 64MB device
Then I remembered I have 300MB RAM
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I agree !
Tried many X1 and Raphael Roms on my 2 devices and the gain of speed is only minor compared to the flying fast TyTN Custom Roms back then.
The only real gain is having removed all the junk and so more free "rom" is avail...
Many people here are like ... THIS or THAT Rom is blazing fast and stuff but if have a real look you will find out that maybe some windows appear a bit faster but the rest is equal...
Benchmark are corroberating my theory ! (I did alot of them ! )
Not only SPB Benchmark, VS Benchmark and Sk Tools are proofing it but also Morphgear FPS Benchmarking for example.
fotoingo said:
I agree !
Tried many X1 and Raphael Roms on my 2 devices and the gain of speed is only minor compared to the flying fast TyTN Custom Roms back then.
The only real gain is having removed all the junk and so more free "rom" is avail...
Many people here are like ... THIS or THAT Rom is blazing fast and stuff but if have a real look you will find out that maybe some windows appear a bit faster but the rest is equal...
Benchmark are corroberating my theory ! (I did alot of them ! )
Not only SPB Benchmark, VS Benchmark and Sk Tools are proofing it but also Morphgear FPS Benchmarking for example.
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Also, this phone feels WAY FASTER in stock condition than the diamond and tytn, I know it is not perfect, but man it flies when I put it side by side with the diamond
Best HTC device ever IMHO
i agree that its the best htc phone built so far. but in terms of cooked rom speeds i think its trailing the trailing the best HD and the touch pro ROMs. i think we have a bigger rom for improvement
Formula 1....
Try this one ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478022 . That is definitely fastest rom that i tried. Go ahed take a try...
Hey m8's, sorry if stuped question but i need an answer asap. I've been a htc wizard(branded as TMO MDA) user for long time(about 4 years now?) and now have a chance to upgrade to HTC TYTN2(Kaiser), in the user roms that are available for kaiser is manilla 3D possible, or the same old Manilla 2d? Wizard has only 195mhz processor and m3D was said to need more well kaiser has 400mhz is that enough? Basically trying to see if i should upgrade from otherwise great(never failed me in 4 years and 100's of rom flashes)wizard. Is the CPU overclockable(on wizard i am running it(stable/everyday) at 290mhz(orig 195) thats 150% OC, is 550mhz possible on kaiser(150% oc), if not what the best stable(everyday) oc u got it to? What are other things that i should know about Kaiser?
1) gps
2) more memory
3) 200 mhz faster processor(before oc)
Ty for all that answered and made me make my descision
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Hi,
I'm a new user of Kaiser. The ROM I use (see my sig) is quite stable, although I haven't really task it heavily. The bundled Map King doesn't run on this ROM though.
Unfortunately the chef has stopped development of this ROM, however, many others also cook 3D and stil updating, you can look around.
pesok said:
Hey m8's, sorry if stuped question but i need an answer asap. I've been a htc wizard(branded as TMO MDA) user for long time(about 4 years now?) and now have a chance to upgrade to HTC TYTN2(Kaiser), in the user roms that are available for kaiser is manilla 3D possible, or the same old Manilla 2d? Wizard has only 195mhz processor and m3D was said to need more well kaiser has 400mhz is that enough? Basically trying to see if i should upgrade from otherwise great(never failed me in 4 years and 100's of rom flashes)wizard. Is the CPU overclockable(on wizard i am running it(stable/everyday) at 290mhz(orig 195) thats 150% OC, is 550mhz possible on kaiser(150% oc), if not what the best stable(everyday) oc u got it to? What are other things that i should know about Kaiser?
1) gps
2) more memory
3) 200 mhz faster processor(before oc)
Ty for all that answered and made me make my descision
To mods: sorry if wrong place - please move
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From what I have observed, the Kaiser cannot be overclocked. The Wizard can be overclocked because it is OMAP based, whereas the Kaiser is ARM based.
There are ROMs out there for the Kaiser that use TF3D, but most are TF2D since 3D is better suited for 192dpi screens and a bit more resources than the Kaiser can offer. They are, however, making great strides to make TF3D more suited for the Kaiser.
The only beef I have about the Kaiser is the slide out keyboard. The keys don't press the same as my old 8525 (Hermes). Other than that, I love my phone (until the Touch Pro2 comes out for T-Mobile US).
There is an app that can overclock on the Kaiser, right now I have mine (AT&T Tilt) set to 520mhz , so that should be close enough to 150%. The App is called HTC Performance I believe...
Thread moved - not related to ROM development.
BTW, HTC performance doesn't seem to do much on Kaisers. Here's one discussion on it : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395767
Ta
Dave
ty for all the responces, the lack of oveclocking potential is putting me off i gotta say, i am OC fanatic and thats what drawn me to wizard initially. Will look into htc performance more, anything else anyone else want to ctribute as to what they love/like/hate about their kaisers?
biscuits1978 said:
From what I have observed, the Kaiser cannot be overclocked. The Wizard can be overclocked because it is OMAP based, whereas the Kaiser is ARM based.
There are ROMs out there for the Kaiser that use TF3D, but most are TF2D since 3D is better suited for 192dpi screens and a bit more resources than the Kaiser can offer. They are, however, making great strides to make TF3D more suited for the Kaiser.
The only beef I have about the Kaiser is the slide out keyboard. The keys don't press the same as my old 8525 (Hermes). Other than that, I love my phone (until the Touch Pro2 comes out for T-Mobile US).
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OMAP is an ARM CPU. It's Texas Instruments' branded ARM based CPU. Kaiser uses a Qualcomm branded ARM based CPU...
ARMv5TEJ
ARM926EJ-S
Thumb, Jazelle DBX, Enhanced DSP instructions
variable, TCMs, MMU
220 MIPS @ 200 MHz,
Mobile phones: Sony Ericsson (K, W series); Siemens and Benq (x65 series and newer); Texas Instruments OMAP1710, OMAP1610, OMAP1611, OMAP1612, OMAP-L137; Qualcomm MSM6100, MSM6125, MSM6225, MSM6245, MSM6250, MSM6255A, MSM6260, MSM6275, MSM6280, MSM6300, MSM6500, MSM6800; Freescale i.MX21, i.MX27, Atmel AT91SAM9, NXP Semiconductors LPC3000, GPH Wiz, Marvell Feroceon, NEC C10046F5-211-PN2-A SoC - undocumented core in the ATi Hollywood graphics chip used in the Wii[14].
ARMv6
ARM1136J(F)-S[15]
8-stage pipeline, SIMD, Thumb, Jazelle DBX, (VFP)
variable, MMU
740 @ 532-665 MHz (i.MX31 SoC), 400-528 MHz
Texas Instruments OMAP2420 (Nokia E90, Nokia N93, Nokia N95, Nokia N82), Zune, BUGbase, Nokia N800, Nokia N810, Qualcomm MSM7200 (with integrated ARM926EJ-S [email protected], used in Eten Glofiish, HTC TyTN II, HTC Nike), Freescale i.MX31 (used in the original Zune 30gb and Toshiba Gigabeat S), Freescale MXC300-30 (Nokia E63, Nokia E71, Nokia 5800, Nokia E51, Nokia E75, Nokia N97), Qualcomm MSM7201A as seen in the HTC Dream.
More Info found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture.
alltubetone said:
There is an app that can overclock on the Kaiser, right now I have mine (AT&T Tilt) set to 520mhz , so that should be close enough to 150%. The App is called HTC Performance I believe...
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Htc performace is load of crap and been proved useless and void over and over again for the kaiser by benchmark tests.
If you are on T-mobile in the US, just wait for the Touch Pro 2. It is rumored that T-mo should get it as the "Wing II". It's about time...
I still have my Wizard (iMate KJam). I also ran OMAPclock to overclock it, but stopped this a long time ago. I got my TyTN II (Kaiser) last January (2008) and still going strong with original stock rom. I have just customised mine with Spb Mobile shell which, imho, is way better than any form of manilla, and it is fully touch AND D-Pad usable. I have v2.1.5 with the Spb MS Fast Customiser found on this forum somewhere.
It is like night and day switching from the wizard to the kaiser. You won't be sorry.
hi chef tony i want over clocking tools for SPV 2000 ,,, i have windows 6.1 installed on it!!!
give me some softwares for over clocking n also guide me with full process,,,,!!
hashimhoney said:
hi chef tony i want over clocking tools for SPV 2000 ,,, i have windows 6.1 installed on it!!!
give me some softwares for over clocking n also guide me with full process,,,,!!
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Look for XCPU Scalar
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5576347&postcount=5
Please use the Search function or google before you ask. Thanks.
Overclocking
Hello,
I got WM 5.5.5 - WWE on my Blue Angel, It has a 400 MHz processor but I want to overclock it. What's the best program I can use?
Sorry for my bad English.
like egzthunder1 mentioned in the post above yours, xcpuscalar is a good choice, you need the ARM version and although it might be tempting, don't run it at 528 the entire time, especially in the summer it tends to overheat and your battery and/or mainboard could be harmed. overclocking is always a risk and can be made obsolete by using a fast rom and keeping the device rather clean.