Just saw this Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pENEldRxuwQ
and I am amazed at how quick the menus are on the Touch Pro. Why is the Diamond not as quick as this? Does the latest firmware for Diamond make it as quick?
TIA
touch pro has more memory.
Why do you think it is faster than the Diamond ?, I have ROM 193 and it doesn't seem faster at all (and btw, I only have like 20mb of free RAM, kind of shows you how meaningless this whole RAM issue is).
Mine is as fast - no that roms are being fine tuned - using a beta from a cook here i have to say that vid is nothing exciting and my dimaond is wizzing away - i cant make touch flo lag however erratic i use it...
Im sorry to spoil the party but my Diamond is as quick as the one in the Video or maybe even quicker. (all tweaks applied and Cooked ROM)
Im sure the PRO can be even faster after it takes a stroll down to the kitchen!
luck fellassss
so can a similar speed be seen on a diamond with an official firmware or can it only be achieved with a coked firmware? any videos showing the speed of the Diamond UI which is supposedly just as fast? TIA
Im sure the PRO can be even faster after it takes a stroll down to the kitchen!
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Maybe, but I doubt it will ever be faster than the Diamond.
Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information, rather all software 100% works from RAM (after it loads there, that is). So, you could definitely load more software to the Pro's RAM, but each individual software won't run any quicker than on the Diamond.
The Touch Pro's name should really be changed to "Fat Diamond".
I have stock ROM .. and my Diamond is as fast as the one in the video ..
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Maybe, but I doubt it will ever be faster than the Diamond.
Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information, rather all software 100% works from RAM (after it loads there, that is). So, you could definitely load more software to the Pro's RAM, but each individual software won't run any quicker than on the Diamond.
The Touch Pro's name should really be changed to "Fat Diamond".
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I agree.
Im not familiar with the Processor the PRO has but im assuming the Processor is the same on both.
I believe the speed is judged by the MGz in the Processor. So if both carry the same processor they should have same speeds.
IMO I might be mistaken.
With the new ROM and tweaking programs my Diamond is very very fast... I'm very pleased now... and I don't like the HTC Touch PRO because is not that slim like the Diamond wich is on of the ``features`` I like about it.
With Bepe 0.98 ROM, Mine is running a little faster than that
Mine is that fast or faster too, thanks Dutty, and that's with a big pile of crap loaded on by me too.
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Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information
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Actually, there is a setting that can make the diamond cache file system....
when cooked touch pro ROMs manifest themselves, we might see a difference though I'm just looking forward to how much the diamond is going to earn on raphaels drivers and software
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when cooked touch pro ROMs manifest themselves, we might see a difference though I'm just looking forward to how much the diamond is going to earn on raphaels drivers and software
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Indeed!!!
Besides if you look at PROS desktop pictures you can see a diference in its Manila, its got a diferent Homepage!
Diamond is gonna inherit much of that wealth.
Luck fellas!
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I have stock ROM .. and my Diamond is as fast as the one in the video ..
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Could you tell me what version your stock ROM is please. Thanks
my diamond is on DUtty v1.6 and it's fast! slightly faster than on the video if i have to say?
I get the same performance as in the video with a 1.37 Swedish stock rom.
The only (tempoarary) performance issues I have with TF3D is after I for instance close down Opera or do some other CPU intensive task. It then usually takes a few seconds before the menus are back to being as responsive as usual. But that's it.
I have however applied the standard registry tweaks, but as far as I can remember I did not observe any significant change in performance.
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Could you tell me what version your stock ROM is please. Thanks
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take a look at at my Signature
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Which software to use?
In my humble opinion: None......for the Qualcomm there is no software availalble to overclock it....but in time it will come...
try this out guys. application specific.
All this seems to be doing is to change the priority of the threads running certain applications. It does not overclock the CPU like OMAP did.
anyway does this work?
or its like the sktools optimization?
Any progress out there on a safe program to overclock a Kaiser? WM6 is definitely faster than WM5, but alot slower than my old Palm OS Treos.
thanks,
d
I'm also waiting for a piece of software that will allow me to overclock my Kaiser, but still there is no progress at all. As they say - patience is gods' virtue (-:
has anyone tried htc performance?
I believe I read helmi had a hand in creating it???I know this has been used on a few different devices and is very low on batti draw but no one quite knows how it works.Really makes a difference on my device but Im not sure if it would be safe to use or even work with the proccessor on the kaiser.
With the battery life as borderline as it is with the Tilt/Kaiser, I'd shy away from overclocking. You'll get lightening fast speed for the 5 minutes of battery life
ya but...
ya but... with the video drivers we're missing and an overclocker the phone would be lightning quick.Also I was reading that the reality is with the right programmers the next gen phones kaiser , dream and a few others a playstation 2 emulator on the ppc would be possible. imagine being on a plane cut off 3g and phone functions and play ps2 games on your phone. plus with extended and/or extra batteries that are now becoming available...
I do not see the logic. The Kaiser is so fast and has so much memory, why would you risk bricking or prematurely damaging your phone? Just my opinion
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I do not see the logic. The Kaiser is so fast and has so much memory, why would you risk bricking or prematurely damaging your phone? Just my opinion
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Glad to learn that my Kaiser is so fast ! I guess you don't use games or heavy graphical applications, because then you would see that the Kaiser is not faster than an HTC Prophet wich is overclocked at only 240 Mhz ! (380 Mhz for the Kaiser...). Also if you want to play VGA videos, the speed is not good enough (wich it should be if you look at the Qualcomm processors capabilities, but as everyone know here, HTC did'nt make the drivers for that).
I am very disapointed by the fact the Kaiser is not a VGA device, but even more disapointed when you see that it is not even faster than a VGA device !!! So at this low speed, where is the interest of having a QVGA screen compared to VGA ?
Definitly, an overclocker tool may help me to consider keeping my Kaiser (even if I think that at this device price, it's a shame to be obliged to overclock it to have a decent speed ...).
The prophet is slower in my opinion, I don't own a Kaiser, but whenever i use it everything happens faster than on my overclocked WM6 Prophet (overclocked to 286MHz normally).
How does the speed compare to the TyTN, mine should be here on Wednesday... I can't wait!
someone found a tool that really works ?
WOW! and I thought we had enough problem threads on here with overheat and battery deaths!
Look out for many more!!
I upgraded to kaiser from a Tmob Wing, for that I played with an overclocker called Fl0wt. Which did seem to work BUT the battery becames a flamethrower of heat and the battery life was sucked away in no time. this wasnt a big clock speed step either. The parts just arnt suited for the additional heat it seems. plus it felt dangerously hot...like "hit the dirt its going to blow" hot. not worth the risk in my oppinion...but hey thats just me
Can you post a link to "Fl0wt" ive searched far and wide and found nothing. Please post a link.
Cheers !
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Glad to learn that my Kaiser is so fast ! I guess you don't use games or heavy graphical applications, because then you would see that the Kaiser is not faster than an HTC Prophet wich is overclocked at only 240 Mhz ! (380 Mhz for the Kaiser...). Also if you want to play VGA videos, the speed is not good enough (wich it should be if you look at the Qualcomm processors capabilities, but as everyone know here, HTC did'nt make the drivers for that).
I am very disapointed by the fact the Kaiser is not a VGA device, but even more disapointed when you see that it is not even faster than a VGA device !!! So at this low speed, where is the interest of having a QVGA screen compared to VGA ?
Definitly, an overclocker tool may help me to consider keeping my Kaiser (even if I think that at this device price, it's a shame to be obliged to overclock it to have a decent speed ...).
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I beg to differ.
I play LOTS n LOTS of games on my TyTN II AND I watch full feature movies and I use Outlook AND I use GPS AND I use internet (Netfront v3.5) and I have yet to find a speed problem as mentioned in this here cheese and whine forum.
Some of the games I have on my TyTN II are:
Cybersaurus
Warfare Inc
Machines at War
Bejeweled 2
Zuma
Ackys XP Breakout
Shattered Worlds
Call of Duty 2
Darxide EMP
gfDoom
Fast Future Race
G-Prime Extreme
Interstellar Flames
Skyforce Reloaded
Quake & Quake 2
Sinbad Return of the Legends
Flux Challenge
Is this a good enough sample for you?
THE KAISER NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A VGA DEVICE. IT IS STRICTLY QVGA....NOW GET OVER IT!!!
I am starting to believe that AT&T roms are fraught with problems.
I don't have that problem here in SA.
My TyTN 2 is MUCH faster than my iMate KJam....MUCH MUCH FASTER!!!
So I don't know what you are referring to.
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I beg to differ.
I play LOTS n LOTS of games on my TyTN II AND I watch full feature movies and I use Outlook AND I use GPS AND I use internet (Netfront v3.5) and I have yet to find a speed problem as mentioned in this here cheese and whine forum.
Some of the games I have on my TyTN II are:
Call of Duty 2
Is this a good enough sample for you?
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I have Call of Duty 2 too, and it's really slow on the Kaiser compared to other devices. You should see how it runs on other PPC's...
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I am starting to believe that AT&T roms are fraught with problems.
I don't have that problem here in SA.
My TyTN 2 is MUCH faster than my iMate KJam....MUCH MUCH FASTER!!!
So I don't know what you are referring to.
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I have an T-mobile Kaiser and it's definitely not much faster than a Magician. The difference is really, really small.
And we're referring to the fact that there are no drivers for the ATI Imageon hardware. Thanks to this, everything needs to be rendered by the CPU.
This is really for the cooks to have a look at…
http://www.viddler.com/explore/WMExperts/videos/2/
The Omnia has some really great software features built in maybe some of them can be ported into a custom Diamond ROM by the cooks. Haptic feedback with sensitivity control, alarm app, barcode reader, google launcher, etc...
What do you think?
The interface is much smoother on the Omnia than the Diamond, very noticeable when he scrolls in the programs folder compared to the stuttery scrolling on the Diamond.
Would also love to see that zoom out then zoom in when the phone is tilted, that looks awesome
Samsung has done an excellent job on that interface.
Personally, I don't like much the Omnia interface, but one thing is a fact: Omnia is much much faster than Diamond...
HastaSSSS
That's really true!!!
Crap. Nothing more. You must realize, that Omnia redraw about cca 3.5 times pixels less than Diamond. That is all. That is why she is fater. Nothing more. Samsung did excellent work? Why? Let me prove my words - these benchmarks are from Omnia by SPB benchmark: CPU:1847 , Diamond: CPU: 2299, OK, and dont forgett that Omnia has 624 MHz CPU, But Diamond only 528! And he is still much faster. You may say that new Marvell 624 MHz CPUs are bad, but they are not - HP Ipaq 214 with same CPU as Omnia has 2500 spb benchmark CPU test points. OK, you could say that Omnia has 5500 points in graphic test, but Diamond only 1600 - yes, but Diamond has VGA screen. Ipaq 214 has VGA screen too, and has 1600 points too. So, Diamond graphic points are 1600*4. So, Samsung did relativelly bad job, compared to ather phones with same CPU like Omnia.
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The interface is much smoother on the Omnia than the Diamond, very noticeable when he scrolls in the programs folder compared to the stuttery scrolling on the Diamond.
Would also love to see that zoom out then zoom in when the phone is tilted, that looks awesome
Samsung has done an excellent job on that interface.
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are you mad??? so U can count how long it takes to do the screen rotation and compare it to diamond with gsen, another thing diamond rotates VGA 640x480, Omnia only!!! WQVGA 240 x 400 so U can count again... and I ll give you my Diamond if samsung omnia will have such a forum and amateur development and support as Diamond
Yeah and also, the Omnia interface doesn't seem to use a lot of ressource, that is why it is fast.
Graphics from HTC Diamond are more beautiful => more ressource (RAM + CPU) => slower
That is all
Yeah, but it would be great if we had other alternatives to the Toucho3D, besides SPB mobile shell...
HastaSSSS
you will when schaps ll finnish his work...
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Yeah, but it would be great if we had other alternatives to the Toucho3D, besides SPB mobile shell...
HastaSSSS
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here here!
looks very slick ..... i like it! Only problem I should think would be because the samsung is a non-vga screen
one more reason to keep it off and solve important problems like mp3 lag, lock display when incoming call etc.. no fence
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one more reason to keep it off and solve important problems like mp3 lag, lock display when incoming call etc.. no fence
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One of the great "features" with being a community is that some ppl will focus on those particular problems whereas another user might choose to focus on this.
I doubt that the problems that you list will be resolved quicker depending on whether someone chooses to try porting the UI used on the Omnia.
I would love to try out the Omnia interface, after all, the diversity of windows mobile is one of the stronger points in buying/using a HTC device, at least for me...
That is a very nice device! well thought out and great implementation of WM. I would definitely buy it for my kids!
Aww come on guys..
Not another "diamond vs omnia" thread.
We just wanna know if we can port the best of Omnia onto the diamond. Thats it!. I am looking forward to the haptic feedback though. I think our gurus can easily develop a similar one, but.. whos gonna do it?
Task Manager
One of programs I like in Omnia and want in my Diamond is the Task manager in one buton. Diamond only shows it in TF3D. If you are reading an e-mail you can´t switch to another program if you don´t go to today and click on task manager. Today I´m using SPB Pocket Plus that I can set one button to do the same of the alt+tab of a PC. It shows all the programs runign in background. Does anyone have another idea besides the SPB Pocket plus to do this?
I totally agree that this thread should not be another Omnia Vs Diamond thread.
I’m fully aware that the Omnia has a smaller screen resolution hence it has less work to do which is the reason the animations are smoother or appear to be faster. To be honest I’m not bothered about that.
What I want is for the cooks to look at the Omnia ROM and see if anything useful can be ported over to the diamond. If they have haptic feedback, why can’t we? If they have a task manager why can’t we? etc...
Omnia's TouchWiz UI on Diamond
Hi guys,
just wondering if anyone came across a cab file or or a rom dump of the Samsung's Omnia to install the TouchWiz UI on the Diamond or Diamond pro.
Could be interesting.
I'll start investigating.
please use the search button
you didn't investigate much did you
there is a thread here already
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418143&highlight=Omnia
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We just wanna know if we can port the best of Omnia onto the diamond. Thats it!. I am looking forward to the haptic feedback though. I think our gurus can easily develop a similar one, but.. whos gonna do it?
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How about porting the Diamond interface to the Omnia? This is something I'd be interested in seeing.
Hey,
Firstly, I would like to thank all the developers for making efforts to develop a decent rom for the Xperia. I have tried every single one of them.
Unfortunately I couldn't fall in love with any of them.
Somehow I sense that it must me me that is doing something if other older HTC devices seem to be running way faster on customized roms than the experia with so much hardware potential.
Anyone has the same feeling?
Kind Regards
no.
EDIT: For the sake of order: I've used an HTC Trinity before, which was MUCH slower - even with ultra light roms and maximum free RAM. I compared with the TyTn II, which has just awful landscape-switching speed and was overall slower. Compared with the Touch Pro, I don't see any big differences - and if, with slight advantages for the X1.
So, no, I don't think the X1 is slow or not smooth enough. It just depends on what you're running. TouchFlo3D just slows the system down significantly - even on the (original) HTC devices (like Diamond, Touch Pro or Touch HD).
this is the same comments coming everytime there is a new device.
Look at in.ex polaris...ok device, a bit slow. Now it have optimized 2d and 3d drivers, its damn fast compared to what it used to be...but that didnt happen with a snap of our fingers..
we are just in the beginning of working on x1
So please, be as unimpressed as you want.
have a nice day
cheers
Well, one should not forget, that the x1 has 25% more pixels than Diamond or Touch Pro and even 400% more pixels than Tytn II & Co ...
Hey...
i flashed my x1 with nearly every custom rom released here in forum... now im back at stock spl and stock vodafone ger rom... and its crazy.. to my mind its faster than ever before with a custom rom
strange for german rom i know that my rom is definitly faster , but if you are happy with the stock rom then it is ok
each to their own...
You're absolutely right but he broiught to my mind these ole tytn days when a stremlined cooked ROM realy realy SIGNIFICATIVELY improved the phone and I was wondering why I wasn't feeling the same on my X1
Even small changes freeing a couple of extra MB of RAM (eg. deleting some MS crap) was a big bang on a 64MB device
Then I remembered I have 300MB RAM
Real speed gain would be nice...
gtrab said:
You're absolutely right but he broiught to my mind these ole tytn days when a stremlined cooked ROM realy realy SIGNIFICATIVELY improved the phone and I was wondering why I wasn't feeling the same on my X1
Even small changes freeing a couple of extra MB of RAM (eg. deleting some MS crap) was a big bang on a 64MB device
Then I remembered I have 300MB RAM
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I agree !
Tried many X1 and Raphael Roms on my 2 devices and the gain of speed is only minor compared to the flying fast TyTN Custom Roms back then.
The only real gain is having removed all the junk and so more free "rom" is avail...
Many people here are like ... THIS or THAT Rom is blazing fast and stuff but if have a real look you will find out that maybe some windows appear a bit faster but the rest is equal...
Benchmark are corroberating my theory ! (I did alot of them ! )
Not only SPB Benchmark, VS Benchmark and Sk Tools are proofing it but also Morphgear FPS Benchmarking for example.
fotoingo said:
I agree !
Tried many X1 and Raphael Roms on my 2 devices and the gain of speed is only minor compared to the flying fast TyTN Custom Roms back then.
The only real gain is having removed all the junk and so more free "rom" is avail...
Many people here are like ... THIS or THAT Rom is blazing fast and stuff but if have a real look you will find out that maybe some windows appear a bit faster but the rest is equal...
Benchmark are corroberating my theory ! (I did alot of them ! )
Not only SPB Benchmark, VS Benchmark and Sk Tools are proofing it but also Morphgear FPS Benchmarking for example.
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Also, this phone feels WAY FASTER in stock condition than the diamond and tytn, I know it is not perfect, but man it flies when I put it side by side with the diamond
Best HTC device ever IMHO
i agree that its the best htc phone built so far. but in terms of cooked rom speeds i think its trailing the trailing the best HD and the touch pro ROMs. i think we have a bigger rom for improvement
Formula 1....
Try this one ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478022 . That is definitely fastest rom that i tried. Go ahed take a try...
over and over again I face the fact, that some games and apps don't run as smooth as the seem to run on other devices, sometimes even less powerful than x1 (according tothe feedback of other users).
That's why I'm asking myself the question why it is that way.
Is the stock rom so ****ty or is there any other fundamental factors that affect the performance of my phone? Is there probably a guide for tuning the phone for its top performance, perhaps I missed something in configuration?
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=SonyEricsson
here you can compare performance
strange
Rudegar said:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=SonyEricsson
here you can compare performance
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lol, if you compare the X2 with X1, then it is even slower!!!
(http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=SonyEricsson X1i XPERIA&D2=SonyEricsson X2 XPERIA Vulcan)
But I don't trust it anyways because how can integer and floating point calculation differ so much, if it is the exact same core (except the X2 core was clocked down)??
guess driver could cause that as the x1 they tested would of cause be offcial 6.1 rom
and the x2 the maybe prereleased 6.5
thanks but prolly any tweaks except xperia tweak that can help to get max of the device?
AFAIK, best thing you can do is to find fast rom.
About performance: compared to other windows mobile devices is not so slow. In some tests is even faster than HTC HD/TP2.(CLICK)
prollz you get me wrong. All that benchmarks are neat and nice, I'm just asking what can be actually done to configure X1 to get the maximum performance out of it.
also check this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459328
thanks, gonna try it out once more. But afair sd tune up isn't needed with the r3aa rom, is it?