over and over again I face the fact, that some games and apps don't run as smooth as the seem to run on other devices, sometimes even less powerful than x1 (according tothe feedback of other users).
That's why I'm asking myself the question why it is that way.
Is the stock rom so ****ty or is there any other fundamental factors that affect the performance of my phone? Is there probably a guide for tuning the phone for its top performance, perhaps I missed something in configuration?
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=SonyEricsson
here you can compare performance
strange
Rudegar said:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=SonyEricsson
here you can compare performance
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lol, if you compare the X2 with X1, then it is even slower!!!
(http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=SonyEricsson X1i XPERIA&D2=SonyEricsson X2 XPERIA Vulcan)
But I don't trust it anyways because how can integer and floating point calculation differ so much, if it is the exact same core (except the X2 core was clocked down)??
guess driver could cause that as the x1 they tested would of cause be offcial 6.1 rom
and the x2 the maybe prereleased 6.5
thanks but prolly any tweaks except xperia tweak that can help to get max of the device?
AFAIK, best thing you can do is to find fast rom.
About performance: compared to other windows mobile devices is not so slow. In some tests is even faster than HTC HD/TP2.(CLICK)
prollz you get me wrong. All that benchmarks are neat and nice, I'm just asking what can be actually done to configure X1 to get the maximum performance out of it.
also check this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459328
thanks, gonna try it out once more. But afair sd tune up isn't needed with the r3aa rom, is it?
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Just saw this Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pENEldRxuwQ
and I am amazed at how quick the menus are on the Touch Pro. Why is the Diamond not as quick as this? Does the latest firmware for Diamond make it as quick?
TIA
touch pro has more memory.
Why do you think it is faster than the Diamond ?, I have ROM 193 and it doesn't seem faster at all (and btw, I only have like 20mb of free RAM, kind of shows you how meaningless this whole RAM issue is).
Mine is as fast - no that roms are being fine tuned - using a beta from a cook here i have to say that vid is nothing exciting and my dimaond is wizzing away - i cant make touch flo lag however erratic i use it...
Im sorry to spoil the party but my Diamond is as quick as the one in the Video or maybe even quicker. (all tweaks applied and Cooked ROM)
Im sure the PRO can be even faster after it takes a stroll down to the kitchen!
luck fellassss
so can a similar speed be seen on a diamond with an official firmware or can it only be achieved with a coked firmware? any videos showing the speed of the Diamond UI which is supposedly just as fast? TIA
Im sure the PRO can be even faster after it takes a stroll down to the kitchen!
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Maybe, but I doubt it will ever be faster than the Diamond.
Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information, rather all software 100% works from RAM (after it loads there, that is). So, you could definitely load more software to the Pro's RAM, but each individual software won't run any quicker than on the Diamond.
The Touch Pro's name should really be changed to "Fat Diamond".
I have stock ROM .. and my Diamond is as fast as the one in the video ..
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Maybe, but I doubt it will ever be faster than the Diamond.
Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information, rather all software 100% works from RAM (after it loads there, that is). So, you could definitely load more software to the Pro's RAM, but each individual software won't run any quicker than on the Diamond.
The Touch Pro's name should really be changed to "Fat Diamond".
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I agree.
Im not familiar with the Processor the PRO has but im assuming the Processor is the same on both.
I believe the speed is judged by the MGz in the Processor. So if both carry the same processor they should have same speeds.
IMO I might be mistaken.
With the new ROM and tweaking programs my Diamond is very very fast... I'm very pleased now... and I don't like the HTC Touch PRO because is not that slim like the Diamond wich is on of the ``features`` I like about it.
With Bepe 0.98 ROM, Mine is running a little faster than that
Mine is that fast or faster too, thanks Dutty, and that's with a big pile of crap loaded on by me too.
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Unlike Desktop PCs (and correct me if I'm wrong), WM doesn't use RAM to cache hard drive information
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Actually, there is a setting that can make the diamond cache file system....
when cooked touch pro ROMs manifest themselves, we might see a difference though I'm just looking forward to how much the diamond is going to earn on raphaels drivers and software
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when cooked touch pro ROMs manifest themselves, we might see a difference though I'm just looking forward to how much the diamond is going to earn on raphaels drivers and software
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Indeed!!!
Besides if you look at PROS desktop pictures you can see a diference in its Manila, its got a diferent Homepage!
Diamond is gonna inherit much of that wealth.
Luck fellas!
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I have stock ROM .. and my Diamond is as fast as the one in the video ..
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Could you tell me what version your stock ROM is please. Thanks
my diamond is on DUtty v1.6 and it's fast! slightly faster than on the video if i have to say?
I get the same performance as in the video with a 1.37 Swedish stock rom.
The only (tempoarary) performance issues I have with TF3D is after I for instance close down Opera or do some other CPU intensive task. It then usually takes a few seconds before the menus are back to being as responsive as usual. But that's it.
I have however applied the standard registry tweaks, but as far as I can remember I did not observe any significant change in performance.
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Could you tell me what version your stock ROM is please. Thanks
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take a look at at my Signature
Hey,
Firstly, I would like to thank all the developers for making efforts to develop a decent rom for the Xperia. I have tried every single one of them.
Unfortunately I couldn't fall in love with any of them.
Somehow I sense that it must me me that is doing something if other older HTC devices seem to be running way faster on customized roms than the experia with so much hardware potential.
Anyone has the same feeling?
Kind Regards
no.
EDIT: For the sake of order: I've used an HTC Trinity before, which was MUCH slower - even with ultra light roms and maximum free RAM. I compared with the TyTn II, which has just awful landscape-switching speed and was overall slower. Compared with the Touch Pro, I don't see any big differences - and if, with slight advantages for the X1.
So, no, I don't think the X1 is slow or not smooth enough. It just depends on what you're running. TouchFlo3D just slows the system down significantly - even on the (original) HTC devices (like Diamond, Touch Pro or Touch HD).
this is the same comments coming everytime there is a new device.
Look at in.ex polaris...ok device, a bit slow. Now it have optimized 2d and 3d drivers, its damn fast compared to what it used to be...but that didnt happen with a snap of our fingers..
we are just in the beginning of working on x1
So please, be as unimpressed as you want.
have a nice day
cheers
Well, one should not forget, that the x1 has 25% more pixels than Diamond or Touch Pro and even 400% more pixels than Tytn II & Co ...
Hey...
i flashed my x1 with nearly every custom rom released here in forum... now im back at stock spl and stock vodafone ger rom... and its crazy.. to my mind its faster than ever before with a custom rom
strange for german rom i know that my rom is definitly faster , but if you are happy with the stock rom then it is ok
each to their own...
You're absolutely right but he broiught to my mind these ole tytn days when a stremlined cooked ROM realy realy SIGNIFICATIVELY improved the phone and I was wondering why I wasn't feeling the same on my X1
Even small changes freeing a couple of extra MB of RAM (eg. deleting some MS crap) was a big bang on a 64MB device
Then I remembered I have 300MB RAM
Real speed gain would be nice...
gtrab said:
You're absolutely right but he broiught to my mind these ole tytn days when a stremlined cooked ROM realy realy SIGNIFICATIVELY improved the phone and I was wondering why I wasn't feeling the same on my X1
Even small changes freeing a couple of extra MB of RAM (eg. deleting some MS crap) was a big bang on a 64MB device
Then I remembered I have 300MB RAM
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I agree !
Tried many X1 and Raphael Roms on my 2 devices and the gain of speed is only minor compared to the flying fast TyTN Custom Roms back then.
The only real gain is having removed all the junk and so more free "rom" is avail...
Many people here are like ... THIS or THAT Rom is blazing fast and stuff but if have a real look you will find out that maybe some windows appear a bit faster but the rest is equal...
Benchmark are corroberating my theory ! (I did alot of them ! )
Not only SPB Benchmark, VS Benchmark and Sk Tools are proofing it but also Morphgear FPS Benchmarking for example.
fotoingo said:
I agree !
Tried many X1 and Raphael Roms on my 2 devices and the gain of speed is only minor compared to the flying fast TyTN Custom Roms back then.
The only real gain is having removed all the junk and so more free "rom" is avail...
Many people here are like ... THIS or THAT Rom is blazing fast and stuff but if have a real look you will find out that maybe some windows appear a bit faster but the rest is equal...
Benchmark are corroberating my theory ! (I did alot of them ! )
Not only SPB Benchmark, VS Benchmark and Sk Tools are proofing it but also Morphgear FPS Benchmarking for example.
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Also, this phone feels WAY FASTER in stock condition than the diamond and tytn, I know it is not perfect, but man it flies when I put it side by side with the diamond
Best HTC device ever IMHO
i agree that its the best htc phone built so far. but in terms of cooked rom speeds i think its trailing the trailing the best HD and the touch pro ROMs. i think we have a bigger rom for improvement
Formula 1....
Try this one ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478022 . That is definitely fastest rom that i tried. Go ahed take a try...
Hi all,
Since the X1 hardware is so similar to Blackstone, is it possible to use what the Blackstone guys are doing to improve performance on the X1?
What I am most interested in is this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442712
BETA graphics drivers for improving OpenGL speed. There is also a benchmark thread in the Blackstone forums, do the same benchies work with X1? Could be useful to have a reference for which ROMs are actually fastest.
Just some thoughts, hope for a response from a guru!
-Oobly
So I was reading that thread...
Theres a faq there:
"..
Q: Are these solely for MSM720X devices?
A: Yes, since the files used only work with the MSM720X chipset. And not even ALL MSM720X chipsets.
Q: So, which devices are supported?
A: Currently only newer devices: the Kaiser, Polaris, Nike, Diamond and up. There MAY be more in the future though.
.."
here is my take on all this:
-the neo2007 work on xperia but i cant see any performance increase
-the xperia is running @400mhz not 528mhz like the HD or td2. so dont ever expect it to reach the same level of performance. i have tested many cooked roms on xperia and they all trail the HD or TD2 stock roms in application and multitasking performance
THE GRIZZ said:
here is my take on all this:
-the neo2007 work on xperia but i cant see any performance increase
-the xperia is running @400mhz not 528mhz like the HD or td2. so dont ever expect it to reach the same level of performance. i have tested many cooked roms on xperia and they all trail the HD or TD2 stock roms in application and multitasking performance
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on the other hand, i (which are currently running Touch X 6.1 with various performance tweaks) find that the custom ROM that i'm currently using are faster and have better responce compared to a TD2 running on stock ROM that i've tested for 30 minutes in a store.
if that extra Mhz really matters, then it could always be unlocked using neurom. i did also tried neurom only to find that it decreases my battery life.
so i'm sticking with 400 mhz that lasts me 3-4 days than a 2 days 528mhz.
and no, i'm not biased just because i'm using an x1.
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if that extra Mhz really matters, then it could always be unlocked using neurom. i did also tried neurom only to find that it decreases my battery life.
so i'm sticking with 400 mhz that lasts me 3-4 days than a 2 days 528mhz..
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i tried using neurom but i could not overclock it to 528. if you can please let us now how. to test if it worked test with something like the core player or tcmp (both have benchmarking tools) and the game xtract.
both apps will give you real world performance and both perform clearly worse on my xperia then on td2
ohh and %20 less cpu speed will not double the battery life. the x1 has a nice big 1500mah battery
Thanks for the replies guys!
I always thought the xperia runs a 7200A processor at 528MHz...?? That's what all the spec sheets say at least.
About speed and battery life, increasing the CPU speed by 20% can certainly double power usage especially if it is an overclock. Both power usage and heat generated increase dramatically when overclocking CPU's in PC's and I don't expect it is any different with mobile CPU's.
I am disappointed by the benchmark results I see for xperia, but I really love the hardware layout and size. According to the specifications it should run faster than it seems to....
Any definitive answers about CPU clock speed? Anyone? From what I have read, the 7200 CPU runs at 400 and the 7200A at 528. The X1 has a 7200A and all the spec sheets I have seen and "official" specs say 528MHz.
Have we been screwed again by HTC? <--- referring to the 3D driver issue....
After having tried out a few ROMs (none recently) I am somewhat disappointed with my Diamond's performance. I am tired of waiting for my menu pages to finally appear after selecting them, I don't feel the urge to keep on trying out new ROMs until one is maybe 10% faster than the original.
Is there any ROM/UI solution that is really fast and immediately makes my phone display what it is supposed to? What about other TF versions/substitutions?
Besides speed, my only requirements are absence of annoying bugs and a slider/hw-buttons-only option to accept/reject calls.
Could you guys please give me a recommendation? What was the fastest solution you encountered? Thanks in advance.
Mmmm....
That all depends on what you call fast. The device will never perform like current devices. The only speed increase I've noticed after trying many, many ROM's is with TF3D2. This is way quicker than the original TF3D shipped with the Diamond, but as for the general day to day operation, none of the ROM's in my opinion, are any quicker than any other.
Sure, chef's comment on lightening this, and speedy that, but at the end of the day, we're stuck with what that crap OMAP processor can handle. Bring on the Snapdragon powered devices!
I remember reading something about the CPU taking all the load for graphics processing. Is there a dedicated GPU and wouldn't appropriate drivers for its usage speed things up? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
the cpu is an MSM7201A which got an ATI Imageon gpu integrated into it
Ooops!
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the cpu is an MSM7201A which got an ATI Imageon gpu integrated into it
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Sorry... my apologies! I was thinking of the original Touch! You're quite right, the Diamond has a QUALCOMM processor
Graphics...
Affenpeter said:
I remember reading something about the CPU taking all the load for graphics processing. Is there a dedicated GPU and wouldn't appropriate drivers for its usage speed things up? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I believe that 64MB of the onboard 192MB are dedicated to graphics processing. Drivers may come in to it, but whether updated drivers would make a huge speed difference is debateable!