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THIS IS NOT A THREAD ON HOW TO UNLOCK YOUR DEVICE
Ok, rather than crapping on Faria's thread, I am going to start a discussion. I am curious about the G4. Yes, I know curiousity killed the cat. So far, reading the forums we have some people with G4's that can upgrade no problem, some that had to CID unlock to get certain roms to load (Faria's), and some that even after CID unlocking the ROMs will not load the extended rom. Personally, I fall in the last category.
Now, here is what had made me curious: So far, most IPL/SPL I have seen posted about is 2.21.0001 for the G4. Mine, on the other hand is 2.25.0001. So, for thos that have G4s, make a post about your IPL/SPL, if you had to CID unlock, HOW you unlocked, and your measure of success. Faria and I were discussing the possiblity that more is tied to the IPL/SPL than on the G3s. Or they are using tighter security. So if we have people with IPLs of 2.21.0001 that can load the full ROM after CID unlocking, and those that have 2.25.0001 that get the OS, but not the extended rom..it gives us a clue.
cptcafne said:
THIS IS NOT A THREAD ON HOW TO UNLOCK YOUR DEVICE
Ok, rather than crapping on Faria's thread, I am going to start a discussion. I am curious about the G4. Yes, I know curiousity killed the cat. So far, reading the forums we have some people with G4's that can upgrade no problem, some that had to CID unlock to get certain roms to load (Faria's), and some that even after CID unlocking the ROMs will not load the extended rom. Personally, I fall in the last category.
Now, here is what had made me curious: So far, most IPL/SPL I have seen posted about is 2.21.0001 for the G4. Mine, on the other hand is 2.25.0001. So, for thos that have G4s, make a post about your IPL/SPL, if you had to CID unlock, HOW you unlocked, and your measure of success. Faria and I were discussing the possiblity that more is tied to the IPL/SPL than on the G3s. Or they are using tighter security. So if we have people with IPLs of 2.21.0001 that can load the full ROM after CID unlocking, and those that have 2.25.0001 that get the OS, but not the extended rom..it gives us a clue.
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I have a G4
I am
IPL 2.17.0001
SPL 2.17.0001
GSM 02.07.10
OS 2.17.7.2
I am still CID locked, and have not attempted to perform any ROM upgrades yet
I want to CID unlock my device so that i can do a rom backup to the SD card before attempting any kind of ROM upgrades.
How did you unlock your G4 device?
d0ug said:
I have a G4
I am
IPL 2.17.0001
SPL 2.17.0001
GSM 02.07.10
OS 2.17.7.2
How did you unlock your G4 device?
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Imei website. search for it
imei did it for me
IPL/SPL = 2.17.0001 which means I have a G4.
I ended up paying for unlocking at the imei website but it did the trick and solved my issues where previously i could only get the Mr Clean ROM upgrade to work. Other ROMs would only update the splash screen and the Extension ROM.
Yesterday I successfully updated to Faria's latest RC1 ROM with no issues.
cptcafne said:
Imei website. search for it
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Thanks, I knew of the site, I just wasnt sure if it was a CID unlock or only SIM unlock. There was a post this morning about it only being a SIM unlock.
I got a CID-LOCKED G4:
IPL 2.21.0001
SPL 2.21.0001
OS 2.26.10.2
GSM 02.25.11
I succesfully installed:
RUU_Molski.Biz_226102_22610105_022511_G4_WWE-30MB
RUU_Molski.Biz_226102_22610105_022511_G4_WWE
Couldn't install:
RUU_Molski.Biz_AKU2.3-226102_22610105_024711_WWE-G4-30MB-CF2
Installer said something about compatibility issues
Didn't dare trying to install Faria new rom yet.
IPL/SPL 2.25.0001
CID locked G4
Extension ROM locked and empty after a failed flash with the official 2.25 ROM on HTC site, can't get anything to install into it. I've since learned to live with it and hope Cingular/HTC will release a newer ROM update that will fix this issue. I'm actually looking into upgrading to a 8525 but those suckers are a bit pricey at the moment so staying with my 8125 for now.
My G4 with bootloader 2.16.0001 had unlock with imei-check.co.uk. You can do it at the same site for 20GBP and U can successfully install any ROM (shipped or custom) without bootloader (I mean IPL/SPL). I recommended to stay in your current latest version of official ROM's bootloader and you will not have any issue.
Nishad
evilito said:
IPL/SPL 2.25.0001
CID locked G4
Extension ROM locked and empty after a failed flash with the official 2.25 ROM on HTC site, can't get anything to install into it. I've since learned to live with it and hope Cingular/HTC will release a newer ROM update that will fix this issue. I'm actually looking into upgrading to a 8525 but those suckers are a bit pricey at the moment so staying with my 8125 for now.
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That is exactly what happened to me!! Tried the HTC rom, and it killed my extended rom. crap. ok so HTC did this to us. I wonder how many other members tried the "official" rom and it crashed, therefore have not been able to get any extended rom loaded.
Same issue here with the extended ROM and 2.25.0001
The shipped ROM for cingular 8125 would fail.
Had to cook my own ROM and manually put the Extended_ROM folder in root and run the AutoRun.exe from phone to load it.
I was trying to find the way, how to cook a ROM, whitch will work on CID-locked Wizards and I thing: On CID locked phones we can flash only ROMs with nono edited os.nb without IPL/SPL
Example:
I have had a 2.21 ROM a I was able to flash 2.26.10.2 ROM without any changes.
If a decrasing the Pagepool, the the ROM was not working on CID locked
cptcafne,
I am sure you have seen my posts in faria's thread, but I will add my woes to this thread as well.
I have a 2.25.0001 G4 Wizard.
After doing the CID Unlocking through IMEI, I attempted to load faria's beta 4 rom. The ext rom has never installed for me. I think I might have tried installing the rom image from the htc website over the rom that shipped since I thought the HTC rom was newer (I was wrong). I belive this locked my ext rom from the get go. After testing it, I wanted to go back to the cingular 2.25 offcial rom to have a stable base to install the RC1. However, I got when re flashing the 2.25 rom I receive the invalid nb.nkf error message.
If Broken has cooked is own extended rom which has worked on his G4, perhaps a seperate G4 ext rom file is the resolution that faria should seek if there is no success in automating the process in the flash.
I wonder if the locking of the ext rom is an HTC or Cingular thing. Either way I wonder if they have the ability to tell us how to unlock the ext rom?
G4 unlocked by IMEI
IPL/SPL 2.16.0001
Radio 2.47.11
ROM 3.0.0.0 WWE
Faria's 8mb ROM installed without any problems (including the ExtROM) been running OK for about a week and only the occasional soft reset.
Installed over wizard Love 2.26 ROM
hello,
G4 Not unlocked :
IPL/SPL 2.17.0001
No rom upgrade possible
G4 2.17.0001
Qtek 9100
IPL/SPL 2.17.0001
CID unlocked by the IMEI UK site.
Running the latest 3.0.0 RC1 Faria ROM - no issues with the upgrade.
Prior to CID unlock I could only upgrade the splash screen and the ExtROM.
I haven't had the nerve to attempt an IPL/SPL upgrade - not even sure what benefits it would bring.
In this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249359&highlight=unlock+extended+rom) there is a way to unlock the extended Rom. However when I do this, all I see is the cingular ext rom files that are installed during the "customization" process. I am wondering if Cingular is in fact locking the ext rom so that no matter what ROM is flashed the ext rom will always contain the Cingular programs and files that were shipped with the phone.
I have yet to see a user with an IPL/SPL of 2.25.0001 be able to install any ext roms.
Jason
fla242 said:
hello,
G4 Not unlocked :
IPL/SPL 2.17.001
No rom upgrade possible
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are you sure your device is G4????? cuz ipl spl are ends with .001 not .0001
Awais said:
are you sure your device is G4????? cuz ipl spl are ends with .001 not .0001
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Just to clarify, G4 devices have an IPL/SPL of 2.xx.0001. If the IPL/SPL do not appear in that format when you reset your device than you have a G3 device.
jpryor said:
cptcafne,
I am sure you have seen my posts in faria's thread, but I will add my woes to this thread as well.
I have a 2.25.0001 G4 Wizard.
After doing the CID Unlocking through IMEI, I attempted to load faria's beta 4 rom. The ext rom has never installed for me. I think I might have tried installing the rom image from the htc website over the rom that shipped since I thought the HTC rom was newer (I was wrong). I belive this locked my ext rom from the get go. After testing it, I wanted to go back to the cingular 2.25 offcial rom to have a stable base to install the RC1. However, I got when re flashing the 2.25 rom I receive the invalid nb.nkf error message.
If Broken has cooked is own extended rom which has worked on his G4, perhaps a seperate G4 ext rom file is the resolution that faria should seek if there is no success in automating the process in the flash.
I wonder if the locking of the ext rom is an HTC or Cingular thing. Either way I wonder if they have the ability to tell us how to unlock the ext rom?
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Yeah, that is what looks like happened. so far from what I seen on the boards, if someone tried to install the HTC Update and it failed, then the ext rom was locked. or even removed, I am not sure.
Jpryor said:
In this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...extended+ rom) there is a way to unlock the extended Rom. However when I do this, all I see is the cingular ext rom files that are installed during the "customization" process. I am wondering if Cingular is in fact locking the ext rom so that no matter what ROM is flashed the ext rom will always contain the Cingular programs and files that were shipped with the phone.
I have yet to see a user with an IPL/SPL of 2.25.0001 be able to install any ext roms.
Jason
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Are you sure ? I could have sworn that some members with 2.25.0001 were able to install custom roms completely. Can anyone confirm this for us ?
I have a G4, and the original IPL/SPL was 2.25.0001. I tried all the free options to CID unlock (they worked for SIM unlock), but not worked. So I paid the £20 to IMEI-Check for the unlock key. With that I fully CID unlocked my device.
I installed the stock T-Mobile USA 2.26 ROM, and now my IPL/SPL is 2.26.0001. (I switched carriers from Cingular to T-Mobile, but prefer the 8125's keyboard to the MDA's, so I wanted to keep my existing device.)
When I had flashed over to Summiter's Cingular AKU 2.3 + CF2 Test 2 package, I had let it do the upgrade and came back after the installation of the image finished with the phone rebooted.
I never got a chance to glance at the boot-up screen until just a moment ago and noticed that the IPL and SPL read as the following...
IPL: 2.24
SPL: 2.26
My phone is CID Unlocked and also SIM unlocked from the downgrade/lokwiz/upgrade/flash tutorial and in addition I do know that Summiter has not been around. I just wanted to see if anyone out there is using Summiter's ROM and noticed this.
I have just reflashed to Molski's Clean ROM and the IPL & SPL now read 2.26 for both, in fears of the phone bricking for those wondering.
What's your question?
Hi Miata. I'm not quite sure what you are asking.
I was just wondering if anyone is using Summiter's Cingular Clean ROM and if they are... Did they notice that the IPL and SPL are different?
I wouldn't want anyone else to brick their phones.
The last custom rom I used was the same Summiter rom. I went directly from that rom to Molski's 30 MB Rev 3 Rom on my CID/SIM unlocked G3 8125 with no problems.
my current numbers
IPL 2.26
SPL 2.26
GMS 02.47.11
OS 2.26.10.2
All with no problems
After upgrading to Molski's 30mb Clean ROM, my IPL and SPL fixed themselves thankfully to 2.26. Just trying to double check if I was seeing things or not, because it would be a shame for someone to brick their phone just simply because they need the Cingular settings in a custom ROM.
deathMiata said:
After upgrading to Molski's 30mb Clean ROM, my IPL and SPL fixed themselves thankfully to 2.26. Just trying to double check if I was seeing things or not, because it would be a shame for someone to brick their phone just simply because they need the Cingular settings in a custom ROM.
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If you just needed the Cingular GPRS and MMS settings you can get that in any rom... There are threads that have all of the Cingular settings integrated into CAB files.
See HERE
Page 1 has the MMS settings files, Page 3 has the GPRS/EDGE settings files
As a follow up to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295915#7
My wizard is G3 and has IPL: 1.01 and SPL: 2.26.
I've seen many people here experienced and posting comments that WM6 Crossbow is "faster and stable" than wm5 and other roms.
At first i cant belive why people say that, because in my case, once i flashed crossbow i always experiencing lockups. Had almost 6x force soft reset because of system not responding.. And Its too slow!.. i cant imagine why other people saying its fast and stable.. Ive used Underground and MostBeautiful crossbow edition but still same result..
I called up may friend which also have a wizard and told him to come here in my house and ill upgrade your wizard to crossbow..
My friend wizard is G3 device and IPL: 2.26 and SPL 2.26 (mine is just 1.01 and 2.26)
when we are done flashing.. ive seen big differences..
indeed!.. WM6 is more stable and faster for his wizard..
Its because his wizard has a newer version of IPL and SPL..
I soon rush to unlock my CID then upgrade my old IPL/SPL to newer 2.26 IPL/SPL
and now i can also say that WM6 CROSSBOW IS MORE STABLE AND FASTER..
no more lockups (maybe less). stable and wow!..
Conclusion:
we have proven that upgrading IPL/SPL version affects the device performance..
Latest IPL/SPL version: 3.08"
question before i tke the plung
can you try 2.25 and 2.26 to see if thier are any diffrences
i recommend you to upgrade to 2.26, its the latest..
As it has been said a lot of time ago, ipl/spl v.1.xx are not allowed for newer versions of os and might cause conflicts...
Also i guessed you had a cid-locked device?!
It's a big luck that you didn't get a brick ignoring this information.
Its because at first i have 2.26 SPL. with that latest SPL even if you have an older IPL you cant brick you device.
I tried flashing Crossbow in my device after ive downgraded my SPL to 1.01, and the result is temporary brick..
temporary because i know how to revive it..
Could anyone post a link to a firmware with version 2.26 of IPL & SPL?
Its an official ROM from t-mobile..
go grab it on their official site..
good luck!
Duh!!!!
I guess someone felt they needed to pass that tidbit of knowledge along ...
.... and people wonder why I drink ...
While this has been stated too, I'll state it in this thread... When you decide to upgrade to a knew ROM, reflash the stable 2.26 (or whatever) version. Yeah it takes extra time but it gives you a clean base.
I was running Faria's 3.3 and it was fantastic. Decided to jump to WM6 Most Beautiful Edition and just loaded that ROM. I had all sorts of problems with stuff. Decided to go back to Faria, but reflashed TMobile 2.26. It hit me I didn't do that before, so I put WM6 MBE back on and its now stable and I don't see all the issues I had before (contact database screwed up, issues with ActiveSync, etc). YMMV, but this taught me to lay a clean base on before moving to a new ROM.
Best advise in all of this? Read and follow (EVERY SINGLE STEP) in Dr. P's thread on CID Unlocking. Its proven, and it works!
double_ofour said:
Its an official ROM from t-mobile..
go grab it on their official site..
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no chance without a valid tmo phone number.
got one? ;-)
You dont need any valid t-mobile number..
Ok here's the link..
http://www.t-mobileapps.com/downloadcenter/Software_List.cfm?selDevice=24
It's also in my tutorial (where I specifically say to upgrade IPL AND SPL to 2.26....
sheesh!
Lets reinvent the wheel, no?
.... sometimes this place drives me to drink.... luckily it's a very short drive...
Thanks!
First the link didn't work and redirected me to the phone shop.
Tried the one from the unlock thread, too...
Finally got it now ;-)
double_ofour said:
Conclusion:
we have proven that upgrading IPL/SPL version affects the device performance..
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IMHO (having tested about every IPL/SPL out there) the only thing you've proven is that 1.x IPL and 2.x SPL (or viceversa) can't live together.
If your phone is CID unlocked, it is STRONGLY SUGGESTED to use 2.x IPL and SPL (preferably the same version for both).
Bye
I dont think it should be STRONGLY SUGGESTED. It should be mandatory that both your IPL and SPL match. People seriously need to read well and see that it says if you get 1.xx and 2.xx flash phone again till both are 2.xx. so simple. "Just set it, and forget it". hahaha. just wanted to use that line. but anyways so simple and thorough reading should get you by my friend. and yes i use this as an excuse to go drink also ;-)
Hello!
I initially PM'd a few people regarding this but I think I'll get more interaction if I just made it a thread.
I have a MDA. Following the The Definitive Guide to Unlocking & Rom Upgrading G3 Wizards by Dr. Puttingham, I was able to get it unlocked and updated to T-Mobile v2.26 and the process went perfectly *smooth 'n nice*.
Now... I'm targeting XDA Mobile 6 as my new ROM (OS).
Going through the requirements of X6, I found out that it's just the ROM... no IPL/SPL, Radio, or Ext...
Also, in the guide linked above a newer IPL/SPL v3.08 is mentioned... and similarly, in the X6's thread, a note regarding a T-Mobile 2.19 UK Radio is also mentioned.
Now I have all these files but I don't know how to proceed...
what should I install first? <- Very, very Important! teh sequence
Should I go for the IPL/SPL v3?
I already studied the whole XDA Mobile 6 thread and figured that I should stick with Radio v2.19 as per mfrazzz recommendation.
So, as the title says, "PL/SPL+Radio+Ext.ROM+ROM itself"... how am I to mix them all up together?
salaaam! noticed your in lahore!
ok, i was in a similar position to you,
this is what i did:
i started off with ipl/spl 1.01
CID Unlocked and SIM-unlocked using LOKIWIZ (THIS IS IMPORTANT, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE CID-UNLOCKED!)
download the official T-Mobile 2.26 Update
Install the T-Mobile update, your IPL/SPL Changes to 2.26
download XM6,
FLASH IT!
its as simple as that once you've CID-Unlocked
you dont want to be mixing around with anything!
dont worry about IPL/SPL V3, there is very little/no gain over ipl/spl 2.26 (i actually went to ipl/spl 3.08 and then ended up downgrading to ipl/spl 2.26
Radio- use the reccommended one in the XM6 thread, no other radio roms appear to work so well with windows mobile 6
ext.rom is basically the 'extended rom' what this is, is a little area of flash memory in your wizard that, when you turn your wizard on for the first time, it installs some t-mobile customisations like the themese and dial skins and stuff.
so, in summary: after cid-unlocking and flashing 2.26 you can pretty much flash any other rom you want! its only with a G4 its a little complicated, but by the sounds of it you dont have a G4!
good luck!
oh, forgot to add:
YOU DONT WANT TO BE PLAYING AROUND WITH IPL/SPL, this is what bricks most phones
an unsuccessful OS flash can be repaired easily, but an unsuccessful COMPLETE rom update (i.e OS + ipl/spl + ext_rom) cannot be repaired so easily.
ALL of the roms in the 'Wizard Mobile 6' forums are OS ONLY, so you can flash away! just keep the official 2.26 update handy just in case!
i've never had any problems with flashing roms, and i have tried nearly all of the pandora WM6 roms (almost 10 of them i think), XM6 (the one you wish to try), WM6 BE, NBD all of his versions, TNT 2.0, Ti edition, Farias real thing and now ive settled on my own cooked rom!
Thank you so much Duke!
Okay, this just leaves a bit of room for Radio... the TMv2.26 has radio v02.25.11... I downloaded the recommended Radio version.
Should I update the ROM first or the Radio?
i would upgrade the radio rom first
provided you've cid-unlocked,you can flash every rom on the forums as though they were official updates!
good luck!
proper method would be to make sure if you have the phone unlocked first (follow whichever method is indicated on the unlocking thread).
then, flash to an official rom (whether it's the us t-mobile 2.26 or the german/european 3.08). these roms have ipl/spl, radio, and os (wm5) in them.
afterwards flash with the custom rom of your choice. most recent roms on the forum seem to be os only, so you don't have to worry about the other parts (ipl/spl, radio). older wm5 roms use to have ipl/spl integrated in them (faria, molski, xelencin). just make sure you read the corresponding thread by the rom chef for the rom you're looking to upgrade to.
finish off with the radio update. most radio rom flashs are designed to be radio only.
in summary:
unlock --> official t-mobile rom --> custom rom --> radio rom
Success
"Success"
monkey_knight, I already flashed according to duke_stix's procedure: unlock --> official t-mobile rom --> radio rom --> custom rom
All went well and I can't be any happier! This is the best ROM I've seen and to all my friends saying that WM6 is for those 600MHz processors: In your Face!
I feel my MDA is faster on this ROM then the official one!
Thanks a million to all you guys. You are all Cyber-Wizard (Level 255)
I am pulling my hair out here...
I have an 8125, with the following
Sim Carrier and Rom = T-Mobile
IPL/SPL=3.08
GSM=01.12.10
OS=1.5.4.2
Rom Version=1.5.4.2 WWE
Radio Version 01.12.10
I followed the two main tutorials on how to SIM and CID unlock, got both my IPL and SPL to match, flashed in the TMo Rom and thought all was good.
Now I was poking around and see that it is not a 2.26 rom that is on there but it is a 1.5.4.2. So what do I do, I go to
http://www.t-mobile.com/wmupgrade/
to get the Mobile MDA Software Version (2.26.10.2)
and when I run the file that gets downloaded, it gives me a
ERROR [296] : UPGRADE ONLY
Now, does it see that the phone is infact not an MDA and is a 8125 and does not like it?
So now from this point, (I have done my research and forum search, and RTFM many times so pleae dont blast me) what do I need to do to get the updated 2.26 rom, and eventually get up to the WM6.
I appreciate all the help, as I am seriously ready to have phone meet wall.
177media said:
I am pulling my hair out here...
I have an 8125, with the following
Sim Carrier and Rom = T-Mobile
IPL/SPL=3.08
GSM=01.12.10
OS=1.5.4.2
Rom Version=1.5.4.2 WWE
Radio Version 01.12.10
I followed the two main tutorials on how to SIM and CID unlock, got both my IPL and SPL to match, flashed in the TMo Rom and thought all was good.
Now I was poking around and see that it is not a 2.26 rom that is on there but it is a 1.5.4.2. So what do I do, I go to
http://www.t-mobile.com/wmupgrade/
to get the Mobile MDA Software Version (2.26.10.2)
and when I run the file that gets downloaded, it gives me a
ERROR [296] : UPGRADE ONLY
Now, does it see that the phone is infact not an MDA and is a 8125 and does not like it?
So now from this point, (I have done my research and forum search, and RTFM many times so pleae dont blast me) what do I need to do to get the updated 2.26 rom, and eventually get up to the WM6.
I appreciate all the help, as I am seriously ready to have phone meet wall.
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You have already flashed newer bootloaders that 2.26. You have 3.08. Why do you need to go back to 2.26? IF you are CID unlocked (did you take your bootloaders down to 1.xx then run lokiwiz, and then bring them up to 3.08?) you should be able to flash your WM6 rom now. Have you tried?
Zzan said:
You have already flashed newer bootloaders that 2.26. You have 3.08. Why do you need to go back to 2.26? IF you are CID unlocked (did you take your bootloaders down to 1.xx then run lokiwiz, and then bring them up to 3.08?) you should be able to flash your WM6 rom now. Have you tried?
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I think he upgraded the IPL/SPL alone from button's 1.01 and now can't flash any ROM since 3.08 can't handle 1.5 OS.
My advise is to flash IPL/SPL 1.01 and from there flash a 2.26 but... there are a lot of people mentioning IPL 3.08 and SPL 1.xx meaning that IPL won't allow to downgrade. I think it's up to him...
my understanding is that you shouldn't be going to an ipl/spl of 3.xx unless you are flashing from an ipl/spl of 2.xx. (based on thread information from old roms of molski and faria, last days of wm5 roms).
if possible, you should try to reflash back to 1.05 (i think they were customized so you shouldn't have problems).
official t-mobile roms won't let you downgrade to my understanding...at least not from one official t-mobile to another official (3.08 --> 2.26 or 2.26 -->1.80).
so...retry to flash buttons 1.05, then move up to 2.26...and then if you really want to flash again to 3.08.
That is exactly what I figured out last night.
When I RTFM where it says EDIT STEP 17: Flash to 3.08 .......
I took that as a instad of thinking that it contained the 2.16 rom as well as the IPL/SPL upgrades.
So I went through reflashed both back down to buttons 1.05 and then reflashed back up to 2.26 and then to WM6, everything is dandy and it is all becuase of the wonderful people here. I can not say it enough. This place is the greatest! And thank you all yet again.
I'm glad you managed to save your phone. Not many these days by counting the number of "Help" threads
Can i ask you to please give something back to the forum? please check my signature and visit the "Data crashes" solution thread. Tx
Definitly will.