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[Proven] upgrading IPL/SPL version does affect wizard performance

As a follow up to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295915#7
My wizard is G3 and has IPL: 1.01 and SPL: 2.26.
I've seen many people here experienced and posting comments that WM6 Crossbow is "faster and stable" than wm5 and other roms.
At first i cant belive why people say that, because in my case, once i flashed crossbow i always experiencing lockups. Had almost 6x force soft reset because of system not responding.. And Its too slow!.. i cant imagine why other people saying its fast and stable.. Ive used Underground and MostBeautiful crossbow edition but still same result..
I called up may friend which also have a wizard and told him to come here in my house and ill upgrade your wizard to crossbow..
My friend wizard is G3 device and IPL: 2.26 and SPL 2.26 (mine is just 1.01 and 2.26)
when we are done flashing.. ive seen big differences..
indeed!.. WM6 is more stable and faster for his wizard..
Its because his wizard has a newer version of IPL and SPL..
I soon rush to unlock my CID then upgrade my old IPL/SPL to newer 2.26 IPL/SPL
and now i can also say that WM6 CROSSBOW IS MORE STABLE AND FASTER..
no more lockups (maybe less). stable and wow!..
Conclusion:
we have proven that upgrading IPL/SPL version affects the device performance..
Latest IPL/SPL version: 3.08"

question before i tke the plung
can you try 2.25 and 2.26 to see if thier are any diffrences

i recommend you to upgrade to 2.26, its the latest..

As it has been said a lot of time ago, ipl/spl v.1.xx are not allowed for newer versions of os and might cause conflicts...
Also i guessed you had a cid-locked device?!
It's a big luck that you didn't get a brick ignoring this information.

Its because at first i have 2.26 SPL. with that latest SPL even if you have an older IPL you cant brick you device.
I tried flashing Crossbow in my device after ive downgraded my SPL to 1.01, and the result is temporary brick..
temporary because i know how to revive it..

Could anyone post a link to a firmware with version 2.26 of IPL & SPL?

Its an official ROM from t-mobile..
go grab it on their official site..
good luck!

Duh!!!!
I guess someone felt they needed to pass that tidbit of knowledge along ...
.... and people wonder why I drink ...

While this has been stated too, I'll state it in this thread... When you decide to upgrade to a knew ROM, reflash the stable 2.26 (or whatever) version. Yeah it takes extra time but it gives you a clean base.
I was running Faria's 3.3 and it was fantastic. Decided to jump to WM6 Most Beautiful Edition and just loaded that ROM. I had all sorts of problems with stuff. Decided to go back to Faria, but reflashed TMobile 2.26. It hit me I didn't do that before, so I put WM6 MBE back on and its now stable and I don't see all the issues I had before (contact database screwed up, issues with ActiveSync, etc). YMMV, but this taught me to lay a clean base on before moving to a new ROM.
Best advise in all of this? Read and follow (EVERY SINGLE STEP) in Dr. P's thread on CID Unlocking. Its proven, and it works!

double_ofour said:
Its an official ROM from t-mobile..
go grab it on their official site..
!
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no chance without a valid tmo phone number.
got one? ;-)

You dont need any valid t-mobile number..
Ok here's the link..
http://www.t-mobileapps.com/downloadcenter/Software_List.cfm?selDevice=24

It's also in my tutorial (where I specifically say to upgrade IPL AND SPL to 2.26....
sheesh!
Lets reinvent the wheel, no?
.... sometimes this place drives me to drink.... luckily it's a very short drive...

Thanks!
First the link didn't work and redirected me to the phone shop.
Tried the one from the unlock thread, too...
Finally got it now ;-)

double_ofour said:
Conclusion:
we have proven that upgrading IPL/SPL version affects the device performance..
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IMHO (having tested about every IPL/SPL out there) the only thing you've proven is that 1.x IPL and 2.x SPL (or viceversa) can't live together.
If your phone is CID unlocked, it is STRONGLY SUGGESTED to use 2.x IPL and SPL (preferably the same version for both).
Bye

I dont think it should be STRONGLY SUGGESTED. It should be mandatory that both your IPL and SPL match. People seriously need to read well and see that it says if you get 1.xx and 2.xx flash phone again till both are 2.xx. so simple. "Just set it, and forget it". hahaha. just wanted to use that line. but anyways so simple and thorough reading should get you by my friend. and yes i use this as an excuse to go drink also ;-)

Got myself in a bind

Even though my 8125 was running just fine on a Molski ROM I got months ago, I had to go fiddle with it and see what kind of damage I could do. Now, I have myself stuck at IPL 1.01, SPL 2.26, GSM 01.12.10 and can't seem to find a way to get my IPL back to the 2.xx range. Since there are no longer any ROMs posted here, I am afraid to try some of the ones I am finding elsewhere since I don't know if I will turn my Wizard into a paper weight.
Does anyone know what ROM would be the best to use to give me a newer NBF so I can just put the current factory ROM on? I had read that the MrClean_RUU_WIZARD_224a_AKU23_WWE would be the right one, but I can't find it anywhere now.

Beeker said:
Even though my 8125 was running just fine on a Molski ROM I got months ago, I had to go fiddle with it and see what kind of damage I could do. Now, I have myself stuck at IPL 1.01, SPL 2.26, GSM 01.12.10 and can't seem to find a way to get my IPL back to the 2.xx range. Since there are no longer any ROMs posted here, I am afraid to try some of the ones I am finding elsewhere since I don't know if I will turn my Wizard into a paper weight.
Does anyone know what ROM would be the best to use to give me a newer NBF so I can just put the current factory ROM on?
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Run the T-mobile 2.26 rom which you should be able to get from tmobiles site. that will get you to ipl and spl 2.26

nottoosmart said:
Run the T-mobile 2.26 rom which you should be able to get from tmobiles site. that will get you to ipl and spl 2.26
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Appreciate the thought, but the T-Mobile site requests that I enter my phone number, which is not a T-mobile number, but a Cingular number.

Beeker said:
Appreciate the thought, but the T-Mobile site requests that I enter my phone number, which is not a T-mobile number, but a Cingular number.
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Then grab the rom from Cingular's site. I believe it will get you to IPL/SPL 2.25.
Any AKU2 carrier rom will help you (assuming you are CID unlocked since you previously had Molski's rom installed) In any case if you are a cingular customer and got your phone through them normally even if it is CID locked it is locked to Cingular and you can flash their rom.

That's the whole base of the problem here, as I said in the first post my IPL is only 1.01, so trying to install the Cingular ROM gives me the infamous "Please get a newer NBF file" error. I've tried everything I can to take care of the problem, but the needed ROMs to work back up to where I need to be are all gone.

Wizard Love and the Button ROMs are both available on PirateBay. Use the Button to do a CID Unlock again, or use Wizard Love to try to just recover.
As for the T-Mobile site, if you use the link in the sticky for how to CID Unlock by Dr. P, that one does not ask for a phone number. Takes you directly to the place where you do the download (I just downloaded it again yesterday and can email it to you if you need it (PM me with your email)).

Beeker said:
That's the whole base of the problem here, as I said in the first post my IPL is only 1.01, so trying to install the Cingular ROM gives me the infamous "Please get a newer NBF file" error. I've tried everything I can to take care of the problem, but the needed ROMs to work back up to where I need to be are all gone.
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Sorry, I didn't get out of your first post that you had tried the offical Cingular ROM just that you wanted to end up on it. Read through the G3 unlocking sticky. The button 1.05 rom should do the trick. I think the link in there is working though it may be a slow download. I no longer have any wizard roms on my system or I would host it so you could grab it real quick.

I haven't done this before (so take it for what its worth) but you could pull the Cingular RUU file apart with WinRAR, and get the nk.nbf file out of it and run that with a Rom Update Utility NOID (that comes with most of the custom ROMs) and that should allow you to flash it no matter what the IPL/SPL are at as I understand it. (so you shouldn't get the need newer message).

Okay, download the button ROM and the T-Mobile ROM now as well as printing out the unlocking guide. I know I've done this before, but it was a long time ago.
Thanks for the help guys!!!
---EDIT---
You know what, just reading the ENTIRE FRIGGEN INSTRUCTIONS solved the problem. One little line towards the end of Doc's instructions ... "A last note. If you DO ever go back to the 1.05 ROM for any reason you need to repeat the lokiwiz steps as you won't be able to install a 2.x IPL/SPL bootloader."
That's it, one little line on the last page that I just skimmed over and that's all it was in the end.

Help. Ive got a Brick !!

Can anyone please help with my brick ? ? ?
I tried to go to WM6 by unlocking the CID and the phone - so far so good. Read that i needed IPL/SPL 2.xx or higher so set off to search. Found IPL/SPL 3.08 so installed those to my phone. Then tried to upgrade to the WM6 official rom found on these very pages. Now every time i flash i get update error 302 at 99%.
Im almost sure its the IPL/SPL but i have nothing to backtrack to and not a lot to back this theory up as im still a newbie in the ROM area. My original versions were 1.02 each as i have a G3 O2 XDA Mini ( wizard )
im really stumped and phoneless at mo so ANY help would be grateful for.
Thanks
Andy

you say with the wm6 oficcial there is not a official rom for wizard tellme what rom do you used

AndyG said:
Can anyone please help with my brick ? ? ?
I tried to go to WM6 by unlocking the CID and the phone - so far so good. Read that i needed IPL/SPL 2.xx or higher so set off to search. Found IPL/SPL 3.08 so installed those to my phone. Then tried to upgrade to the WM6 official rom found on these very pages. Now every time i flash i get update error 302 at 99%.
Im almost sure its the IPL/SPL but i have nothing to backtrack to and not a lot to back this theory up as im still a newbie in the ROM area. My original versions were 1.02 each as i have a G3 O2 XDA Mini ( wizard )
im really stumped and phoneless at mo so ANY help would be grateful for.
Thanks
Andy
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I bet you went from 1.02 to 3.08 without stopping at 2.xx
Maybe that's the cause?

but he says than he flashed with the oficcial rom there is no oficcial are agree

Hi Guys,
Thanks for the quick replies.. I used
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310954
( about quarter way down it says official download site for WM6.0.0)
Mestrini - Yes i went straight from 1.02 to 3.08 coz i cannot find the V2.xx IPL/SPL files but i have found the updater solely for the IPL/SPL to 3.08 which is what i used.
is that any use ??

flash your phone with the tmobile 2.26, that should correct your issue. It will also give you the 2.26 version of spl/ipl

ok if you had a cid unlocked device search in the forum for the t-mo 2.26 ipl/spl after you can update for the rom as you tell
en joy it

Thanks for the advice guys, ive tried several different roms and i have a consistent problem where it will not let me change the rom as ( i think ) my SPL version is still 3.08 and every ROM bombs out with "this is an upgrade only"
help me downgrade my IPL/SPL back to 1.02 pleaseeeee
cheers.
Andy

jb007jb
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Default Do Not Upgrade To 3.08 !!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi,
i have T-Mobile MDA and Im stuck with spl 3.08
I did everything.......... and I mean EVERYTHING and nothing helps me bring back my MDA to the original T-mobile software or downgrading the SPL.
1. Downgrading my IPL to 1.01 (using button rom)
2. Unlocking CID with lokiwiz (successfully)
3. Running button rom again
The SPL still stays 3.08 after doing the above...
If there is another way to downgrade the SPL 3.08, please let me know. I really need the T-mobile original rom version.
Thanks so much.
IPL 1.01
SPL 3.08
GSM 01.12.10
OS 1.5.4.2
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I see jb007jb has exactly the same prob i do. i have done everything he has and am still in the same situation - IPL 1.02 & SPL 3.08?
dont suppose anyone can cook up and IPL/SPL downgrader like the one i used to upgrade to 3.08 can they coz with SPL3.08 i cant downgrade ROMS coz i keep being told i need to acquire a newer ROM for my device
Thanking everyone who has taken the time to contribute
Andy. ( looking hopefully around too ;o) )

AndyG said:
I see jb007jb has exactly the same prob i do. i have done everything he has and am still in the same situation - IPL 1.02 & SPL 3.08?
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Thats your problem, reflash the 1.02 rom again, both IPL and SPL have to be the same.

hey nottoosmart
i know... i need to find a way to drop the SPL back to 1.02 or thereabouts. i cant flash back to the T-Moblie 2.26 ROM coz it says my SPL is too high. i upgraded my IPL and SPL using a rom updater now whatever i try i cannot drop the SPL version.

AndyG said:
I see jb007jb has exactly the same prob i do. i have done everything he has and am still in the same situation - IPL 1.02 & SPL 3.08?
dont suppose anyone can cook up and IPL/SPL downgrader like the one i used to upgrade to 3.08 can they coz with SPL3.08 i cant downgrade ROMS coz i keep being told i need to acquire a newer ROM for my device
...
Andy. ( looking hopefully around too ;o) )
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Maybe, just maybe, the O2 ROM may help you. Please see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1379884&postcount=2 That post is from vippie - so you know that you can rely on it!
kernelguy

Downgrade Locked G3 with 3.08 IPL/SPL

I have read the guides to unlocking and from what I see there are none that work on 3.xx SPL/IPL. I was able to downgrade the IPL but never the SPL.
I have seen several threads that say if you flash button rom (several times) it will eventually downgrade the SPL also, but all night as I worked I flashed the button ROM (about 12-15 times) and still can't downgrade the SPL from the 3.08, only IPL goes to 1.01
Tried the original Cingular ROM and it isn't accepted (I think because I have a higher SPL than the original 2.26), tried using the ShellTool, Tried SoftSPL too but none worked.
IS THERE A WAY TO DOWNGRADE THE 3.08 SPL SO THAT I CAN USE THE LOKIWIZ02 OR LOKIWIZ03. I saw a thred saying that 3.08 can't be downloaded but I also saw SEVERAL saying to just keep insisting with the Button rom that it will eventually work (but after almost 15 consecutive tries I've had it).
Any help would be GREAT.
thanks
MGF
IPL 1.01
SPL 3.08
GSM 1.12.10
OS 1.5.4.2

Button ROM doesn't work for that. I tried numerous times too. The only ROMs that work to downgrade to anything else from 3.08 are the OEM releases from either T-Mo or AT&T.
The Cingular ROM isn't accepted because it checks the OS version number. I had to try several peoples' ROMs until I found one with a low enough version number to where the Cingular ROm could flash on top of it.

Try to flash T-Mobile 2.26 to bring it down to ipl/spl 2,26 then go for button's 1.05,hope it'll do the trick.
Good luck
p.s. you can try the wizard_love_Rom also,lol

I want to downgrade my phone, too. but the original T-Mobile AKU2.0 say while reading the phones ROM-Version "only update"... so, with this no downgrade is possible.
How can i CID unlock with AKU3? I want to flash a new ROM from xda-developer as well... damn
Regards
Thomas

You could probably extract the nk.nbf and use the standard tools to flash it.
The nk.nbf can usually be found in a .tmp folder in c:\documents and settings\yourname\Local Settings\Temp

Thanx for your Hint... but which "Standard-Tool" should i use?
Sorry for this silly question, but i am new in experience with my vario

imate kjam
hello, i am new enterent on this forum and need help for, have imate kjam G3 IPL/SPL 1.xx os 1.1.9.3 device and i want to upgrade with latest WM 5 SE 3.8.2.1. Can i upgrade this OS without facing any prb i.e CID/sim locked prb??? kindly adivice to me what is the right way to upgrade my imate kjam (t-mobile) thank you.
best regards
farry

Unless you are using official kjam update, otherwise please CID unlock your G3 device first, or you will face problems.

thank u for advice, but how to CID unlock first before upgrade the rom, any tool for apply to unlock?? plz help
regards
farry

Is this normal?

I'm sorry if this a repost or not, but i'm currently following the Upgrade procedure for windows mobile 6, and it required me to downgrade to the button rom. Everything went smooth, but i wonder. The guy in the tourital says that my IPL and SPL is one on 1.xx and another on 2.xx, as mine is both at 1.xx. i have the T-mobile MDA version, and I'm following the G3 tourital. Currently now it's just sitting there, should i continue without worry or do i need to do it over again to get one at 1.xx/2.xx. Thanks for the support
Harlan.

No - if both your ipl/spl is at 1.xx - then you are good to go, continue on to the next step.
It appears that some users (such as myself ) have to run the buttom rom twice to get both ipl/spl to be the same.
My first pass with the button rom gave me ipl of 1.xx -and spl of 2.xx
Ran the button rom a second time - and all was good
Good luck

Remember to CID unlock, then Upgrade IPL/SPL before upgrading to WM6.

Read the guide carefully,it says, the while downgrading with Button's Rom you might probably get ipl 1.xx and spl 2.xx,reflash the button's rom a few times more till you get both ipl/spl 1.xx.Its required to have both ipl/spl 1.xx to apply lokiwiz02b to SIM/CID unlock the phone,so as you already got ipl/spl 1.xx,you are lucky and good to go to run lokiwiz02b and unlock,remember only after unlocking the phone,upgrade to ipl/spl 2.xx by flashing T-mobile 2.26,ok
cheers !

Thanks
Thanks you Guys, it Successfully installed with breeze. Now that i upgraded the rom by installing the 2.26 before WM6, I'm getting 200% better reception, like it would take an hour or more Just to get reception ANYWHERE!!!!, I'm not kidding. Now that i finished up and installed the black diamond WM6, as soon i hit the today screen, I'm already connected to t-mobile. Thank you everybody for telling me that I'm safe on continuing the installer with both 1.xx ipl/spl, because now i have better reception, touch, unlocked, MDA. Thanks xda-developers for the great information.
Harlan.