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Changing Operating system for BEGINNER

I can tell by what im reading here you all know your stuff very well. I, on the other hand, do not know what the heck your talking about %90 of the time. I HAVE searched the threads to see if I can get some straight info on my dilemma and cant find a simple enough answer to follow. So, im going to ask the question knowing it may have been asked and answered before. This time, im hoping, someone can give me an answer in laymans terms I can actually follow and perform.
My question is this:
I have both an O2 XDA Mini S AND a Cingular 8125. Same unit, different look. The O2 is UNLOCKED, the Cingular is LOCKED. I prefer the Cingular unit but Id much rather have the O2 OS and software. I was told if I was to re-install the O2 operating system (is this known as the ROM?) onto the Cingular device I would not only get the best of both worlds but It would also effectively UNLOCK the Cingular device at the same time (which I need as im not a cingular customer).
Can anyone tell me HOW to do this without all the confusing info and big words. Im not an idiot, im just not inclined technically... at least not this way.
I have used threads on this site to unlock phones before and im very good at following directions. But when the directions start asking for Radio versions and other things like that I just loose it. Is there a simple way to just erase whats on the 8125 and load whats on the XDA Mini S? If I do this is everything going to be screwed up and require a bunch of fiddling around to make all the features work? I dont want to improve on anything, I just want the functionality of the O2 with the form of the Cingular.
Any help with this would be great. I dont require anyone to tell me to search the forums for an answer. If thats what you feel you need to do, just dont post. Ive searched and cant find what im looking for.
Thanks to all those who make this site possible. You make the devices I love work for me when others cant.
Pavmentsurfer

Istructions
Have you already read this thread ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=43399
It's hard to be more clear than this...
Bye 8)

Wow, just read that post RANGEL. Im beginning to think im simply too much of a beginner to do something like this. As I said, im not an idiot, but im not inclined towards this type of stuff. I was hoping for a simple, link to link, step by step walkthrough of how to, quite simply, put an unlocked O2 OS onto my Cingular device. I have no idea what all the technical jargon on that thread you liked to means.
I think ill just take the safe route and stick with my unlocked O2 XDA Mini S and not mess with anything. The last thing I want is to mess up a $500 device. Ill just sell the Cingular device on e-bay.
Thanks for the link though. Unless something much more simple comes along I need to be smart enough to know when im outmatched.
Pavmentsurfer

pavmentsurfer,
I also noticed (it is hard not to) confusing style of these forum. We are maybe just too old...
There are just too many typed letters in these messages. Some threads are speeded on more than 15 pages. :shock:
Who can read all that from the beginning to the end? :roll:
This link, rangel sended, is one of the easiest, but...
I made copy/paste to word all relevant (I hope so) lines. Otherwise it is too hard to follow guide across thread, because it is too many noise around main speaker/writer.

help me please with 2.26 official update

before I do this update should I run awizard or lokiwiz to get a backup...
should I do this first just incase....
what about SIM/CID unlock should I do this first or will I still be able to unlock in the future after installing this update?
any help would be kindly apprecieated...
I am about to upgrade but I dont know what I should do...
thanks..
-James

If you want to upgrade but don't know what you should do, then why don't you start reading some threads on this forum?
When you don't know what you're doin' I can only give you the advice to leave it the way it is
It's not that I don't wanna help ya out, but read first before starting to do some experiments. There are enough people that made certain mistakes before you so just check it out

hey thanks...
I have been reading for a month now and everything seems to say differnet things... I have read nearly every thread on this forum just I learn better from hands on and I have not tried anything as of yet...
thanks for you kind help... im not a dumb ass who doesnt know how to read and doesnt know how to use the search feature... but thanks for your kind help..

@c-pimp ... speaking only for myself, I haven't answered your posts on this because it doesn't appear that you HAVE read through all the postings...
Let me lay it out for you and you take it for what it's worth.
First, if you're willing to take the chance that you MIGHT brick your device then that's YOUR decision. What works for one typically works for another but ... YMMV. No one here is going to accept the responsibility for your device. Most folks here suggest that you stay with your provider's upgrades. If you have such concerns then I don't think you're ready, my opinion.
Second, if you plan on doing anything other than an official sanctioned upgrade then you must CID and SIM unlock, period. This, if done correctly, is forever.
Third, what do you have on your phone that you need to backup? I've heard people speak here of taking 6 hours to rebuild their device after an upgrade and I've never understood exactly how it could take so long. Folks here have compiled very nice cabs with most of all of the registry tweaks one could need. I personally have a folder on my SC that contains all my necessary cabs, security certificates, etc. I'm down to an hour or so to completely rebuild a freshly flashed Wizard. The original ROM's are available so there's no reason to back that up. And if you are doing a major upgrade when you flash the restore will probably break your device as many registry settings, etc are different.
Anything else I can help you with, just ask!
And please don't take offense at me as I mean no harm and am not flaming you nor speaking out of spite.

That's what I meant as well, because you said "I'm about to upgrade, but don't know what to do?" I think that there are many people here telling you to leave it alone
It wasn't my intention to flame, not at all!
Like said before backups are very personal things. Some people want to backup their complete ROM while others just want a backup of the settings from their previous ROM. I one of the people that uses the last method. But I NEVER restore a backup from an old ROM onto a new one. That's because there might be some changes in the registry of the new ROM.
Second, I unlocked my SIM\CID almost the moment it was possible on this forum. Like said before, that's a one time operation
I run the latest t-mobile 2.26 ROM and didn't have to edit NBF files or anything like that. Just install and enjoy.
Once again, it was not my intention to flame. I think it's a bad thing when people say "I wan't to do this, but I haven't got a clue how to do it" to tell them just to flash their device or something like that. Because when it fails you would answer: "I bricked my device, thanks for your kind help!"

been playing with my phone so much I have forgot to respond to alot of questions I asked.... lol... sorry bout that... I wasnt tryin to be a **** when I responded either... I did read alot on the forums but then I would get stuck up on a random post and be confused if I should do something different...
like I said hands on is really the best way for me to learn and now im totally trying new stuff on my phone every day... so sorry if I sounded like a **** when I responded ( I admit I was a little frustrated with my day that day)
-James

@c-pimp - Glad you're on the path to enlightment
(and WE didn't think you were a ****!!!)
Best of luck!

The ROM issued by T-Mobile [2.26] DOES NOT require unlocking your phone.
Can you imagine all the people who own an MDA who have never been to this or any other "tweak" forum installing the ROM and not knowing about unlocking and then it bricked there phone? T-Mo customer service wouldn't be able to handle any other calls but theres.
So back up that puppy and get to upgrading...
One thing I noticed... I downgraded the radio ROM to 1.12 from the one supplied with the 2.26 ROM. So much better!!!

T-Mobile MDA Question

I'm new to the MDA. I just switched jobs and turned in my tricked-out 8125, I was given a squeaky clean MDA with the following specs:
ROM 1.8.10.1 WWE
ROM Date 12/10/05
Radio Version 01.09.10
Protocol Version 4.0.13.20
Ext. Rom 1.8.10.104
Please provide me with a recommendation for a rom and anything that I may need to do to unlock it. Sorry for the noob question, but it's my first day with the MDA and first time ever with T-Mobile.
Thanks in advance

it's first time for everything mate. now start searching for the first time.

If you absolutely have to update it and you have no idea what you're doing, go to t-mobile's web site and download the official 2.26 update. At least then you'll have some defense if it goes sour. In the meantime, there's a ton of information already here, it's not all that hard to find and, not to be smart but no one is going to hold your hand, press the buttons for you and take the blame when you flash the wrong thing and fry your expensive new toy. Personally, I use T-mobile's official 2.26 release because it works quite well and I don't have to worry about voiding the warrantee.

SO if you had your 8125 tricked-out then how do you not know what or how to do this to your MDA Vario?
I mean they're basically the same device except for some minor cosmetics.
If you had the 8125 how you liked it just do the same to the MDA.

Bu11D0z3r said:
I'm new to the MDA. I just switched jobs and turned in my tricked-out 8125, I was given a squeaky clean MDA with the following specs:
ROM 1.8.10.1 WWE
ROM Date 12/10/05
Radio Version 01.09.10
Protocol Version 4.0.13.20
Ext. Rom 1.8.10.104
Please provide me with a recommendation for a rom and anything that I may need to do to unlock it. Sorry for the noob question, but it's my first day with the MDA and first time ever with T-Mobile.
Thanks in advance
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Congrats man I love my mda and T-mobile has been good to me thus far but as for as roms you should do the your homework and use the search. Try a few different ones till you find one that suits you best. Good Luck

I didn't ask for directions on how to plugin the USB cable, so your sarcasm is uncalled for. I was sending out a message to the group looking for advice on lessons learned from upgrading to various ROM's. I was more comfortable upgrading my 8125 because it seemed as though there were ROM's specifically designed for Cingular. If you were offended by my question, don't reply.
There is really nothing more annoying than people who respond to a question with NO CONTENT! If you're only response is to flame the one who asked the question, save everyone's time. Those who flame are usually too ignorant to provide a worthwile response.

Bu11D0z3r said:
I didn't ask for directions on how to plugin the USB cable, so your sarcasm is uncalled for. I was sending out a message to the group looking for advice on lessons learned from upgrading to various ROM's. I was more comfortable upgrading my 8125 because it seemed as though there were ROM's specifically designed for Cingular. If you were offended by my question, don't reply.
There is really nothing more annoying than people who respond to a question with NO CONTENT! If you're only response is to flame the one who asked the question, save everyone's time. Those who flame are usually too ignorant to provide a worthwile response.
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It's not flaming, just imagine how many people come to this forum the first day asking the same question. There's no answer to your question as what was already said.
The 8125 is the same as the MDA, the T-mob ROM mentioned is the basis for most of all modified ROM's in this post and for you the safest.
If you use this, it is the latest, try this one first, instal your stuff, backup with spb or sprite, then read thru the posts and see if there is something you could use or do.
I even went back to the 2.26, the Molski one with 30mb RAM free.
Again do what's suggested go to the T-mob site and download/install th update. The flaming is only to stop you from being the next one on forum with: "Help I bricked my MDA.........."

http://www.t-mobileapps.com/downloadcenter/Software_Detail.cfm?ID=80
Is the one.

Bu11D0z3r said:
There is really nothing more annoying than people who respond to a question with NO CONTENT! If you're only response is to flame the one who asked the question, save everyone's time. Those who flame are usually too ignorant to provide a worthwile response.
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Well, actually there is one thing more annoying: Someone who is too lazy to do their own research!
Now back to the serious...
Meaningless questions like "What should I put on my phone" can't be answered by anyone here. First you need to ask yourself some basic questions such as:
What are you looking to do with your phone?
What function is most important to you?
How much performance are you willing to give-up to achieve this?
Which is more important to you Battery life or speed?
And the list goes on...
Dude, you just need to think about this and ask yourself not others.
Now if you asked something like" I want to be able to see everything that I have coming up on my calender in the next month on my today screen, which program handles this the best?" you will several helpful answers but first you need to define that feature you are looking for.
Just asking "What is the best Rom" or "Which programs should I install" makes you look lazy, stupid or both.
While we're at it, your Thread Title "T-Mobile MDA Question" is useless. It doesn't give the reader any hint of what the question is. The Thread title really should have the basic question in it like "I'm looking for advice on Calendar Today Plug-ins". This will at least allow those who couldn't care less about Today Plug-ins for the calendar to skip your thread while attracting the attention of those who have extensive experience and knowledge of such plug-ins because they share at least one of your goals with their phone use.

I have a T-mobile MDA, bought new, unlocked. I am using it on another carrier, Suncom.
If I upgrade the rom with this T-mobile rom, will it cause my phone to be locked back to T-mobile, or will it remain unlocked?
I have been looking for an answer to that question, but have not found the answer posted anywhere.

RikR said:
I have a T-mobile MDA, bought new, unlocked. I am using it on another carrier, Suncom.
If I upgrade the rom with this T-mobile rom, will it cause my phone to be locked back to T-mobile, or will it remain unlocked?
I have been looking for an answer to that question, but have not found the answer posted anywhere.
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Upgrading doesn't relock (either SIM or CID) your device.

In that case, I'll do my first ROM upgrade!
Thanks

i've T-mobile also But one problem..i can't open it.....want security code .......anyone tell me how i got security code??????????????????

The T-mobile rom install was smooth, no problems. Only took about 10 minutes.

Dont think it will but even if it does all you have to do is unlock it again. Not a big deal

Which Cingular ATT Wizard 8125 Rom / Radio combo is most stable?

I've been having major issues with my phone since I installed a TNT Series Rom.
My rom version is 11.0.0.1 WWE
Radio Version 2.25.11 (i just put this on to try to fix the issues)
I wouldnt mind going back to WM5 because WM6 seems to be soooooo slow, i'm aiming for stability because my phone's pretty near useless since it never rings when I get calls and It doesn't even notify me of voicemails.
I can't seem to find any current links for any firmwares to downgrade to either =/
Thanks in advance

You need Radio version 02.19.11. Anything else and you will get lost calls.

Butchieee said:
You need Radio version 02.19.11. Anything else and you will get lost calls.
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hm, damn, didn't know that, is there somewhere on the site that i can download that?

Have you noticed an option called "search" ?? On the top of this screen ??

yes... i have, thanks for that, i was wondering if anyone had a download link already in a thread they knew of, but thanks.....

Search on this forum is worthless. Try searching for "AT&T" with or without quotes in whole forum, get zero results.
I found this topic by Googling and I keep hitting deadends with jerks like you telling people to SEARCH instead of actually providing useful information. This topic is on the first page for what I'm looking for. I want the same thing - a stable, usable ROM for an HTC Wizard on Cingular (now AT&T). I've had nothing but headaches trying to upgrade this Wizard for a friend. It's been a nightmare with a flood of poorly designed and unsupported abandonware ROMS with bugs enough to make it darn near unusable, and biased tutorials that end me up with a T-Mobile Pocket PC instead of a Cingular PPC, with no information about how to make it appear to be a Cingular PPC again.
I've given up on WM6 on this Wizard and now I'm just looking for a working Windows Mobile 5 ROM again. Chances are, I'll have that figured out by tonight, but I'll still have this topic on watch so I can be notified when someone with half a functioning brain decides to reply. Damn this is frustrating.
(oh, and hi, first poast, olol)

FalconFour said:
Search on this forum is worthless. Try searching for "AT&T" with or without quotes in whole forum, get zero results.
I found this topic by Googling and I keep hitting deadends with jerks like you telling people to SEARCH instead of actually providing useful information. This topic is on the first page for what I'm looking for. I want the same thing - a stable, usable ROM for an HTC Wizard on Cingular (now AT&T). I've had nothing but headaches trying to upgrade this Wizard for a friend. It's been a nightmare with a flood of poorly designed and unsupported abandonware ROMS with bugs enough to make it darn near unusable, and biased tutorials that end me up with a T-Mobile Pocket PC instead of a Cingular PPC, with no information about how to make it appear to be a Cingular PPC again.
I've given up on WM6 on this Wizard and now I'm just looking for a working Windows Mobile 5 ROM again. Chances are, I'll have that figured out by tonight, but I'll still have this topic on watch so I can be notified when someone with half a functioning brain decides to reply. Damn this is frustrating.
(oh, and hi, first poast, olol)
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unfortunately i have found THIS EXACT same results, except they were responses to other people's questions and i haven't flashed.. yet. i was preparing to, in about one cigarette's amount of time, until i found your post just now. very disappointing. i'm affraid of going to wm6 or 6.1 now.. for fear of the dropped calls some other guy in this post was complaining of, and the slowness you speak of. very unfortunate. i've spent 7 hours struggling with poor search capabilities to attempt to determine the best rom and any issues i might have. i was about to pull the trigger and you RUINED IT FOR ME. hahaha. so let me know how your event goes tryin to get back to wm5, in case i need to do the same

http://download.america.htc.com/RUU_Wizard_225111_22511102_022511_CWS_WWE_Ship_1.exe
Here's a link to the original Cingular WM5 ROM. I asked a similar question a few days ago, and was graciously provided the link.
WRT fixing your problem, did you try downgrading to the Button ROM, and then reupgrading to WM5? Might make things easier for you.
Chuck

chuckknight said:
http://download.america.htc.com/RUU_Wizard_225111_22511102_022511_CWS_WWE_Ship_1.exe
Here's a link to the original Cingular WM5 ROM. I asked a similar question a few days ago, and was graciously provided the link.
WRT fixing your problem, did you try downgrading to the Button ROM, and then reupgrading to WM5? Might make things easier for you.
Chuck
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Link broken, here is a link I found googling
http://w16.easy-share.com/1700053307.html
I'm actually about to try it right now, I'm also stuck
in bootloader mode

FalconFour said:
Search on this forum is worthless. Try searching for "AT&T" with or without quotes in whole forum, get zero results.
I found this topic by Googling and I keep hitting deadends with jerks like you telling people to SEARCH instead of actually providing useful information. This topic is on the first page for what I'm looking for. I want the same thing - a stable, usable ROM for an HTC Wizard on Cingular (now AT&T). I've had nothing but headaches trying to upgrade this Wizard for a friend. It's been a nightmare with a flood of poorly designed and unsupported abandonware ROMS with bugs enough to make it darn near unusable, and biased tutorials that end me up with a T-Mobile Pocket PC instead of a Cingular PPC, with no information about how to make it appear to be a Cingular PPC again.
I've given up on WM6 on this Wizard and now I'm just looking for a working Windows Mobile 5 ROM again. Chances are, I'll have that figured out by tonight, but I'll still have this topic on watch so I can be notified when someone with half a functioning brain decides to reply. Damn this is frustrating.
(oh, and hi, first poast, olol)
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I know this is quite an old post....but I thought I'd respond to his frustration, because I myself was in your same position around the time you posted this. I have a Cingular 8125 and when I bought it, it had the official T-Mobile ROM Windows Mobile 5. My first PDA. I came to xda by chance and read all the cool stuff. I became aware of what is called "Flashing." I must have read the tuturial a dozen times, and "flashed" it nearly 2 dozen times lol (or what I thought was flashing hahahaha) The only thing I noticed was a splash screen change. lmao. But after trial and error I finally flashed it! yea! hahaha. I then learned about the other stuff like ISPL or whatever hahaha and radio stuff. So to make my point... I never asked for any help! I just searched, and read, searched, and read, trial & error, trial & error. So instead of demanding answers, go ahead and read through the forums, I know you don't always get what you search for, but read some more! I can guarantee your question has been answered, and you might learn a few new things!
Good Luck!

Reset question

although i am at risk of getting flamed for asking i am am scared ****less i'll read the wrong guide and duck up my phone.....i can't afford another one
i want to get rid of the vodafone software and the glitches the phone has. i want to completely reset my phone.
i need to know:
- which apps i need
- how to blank everything
- the os version i need which functions best on this hardware set up. (the tytnii)
hope someone is patient enough to help me out. my phone keeps doing odd stuff and it gets on my nerves

Read this entire thread. You can't fail if you read it all.

definitely check out that thread, and read the How to Flash your First ROM by Dave Shaw I think it is.
I would recommend grabbing the latest HTC stock 6.1 ROM (check the wiki for the links) and then go from there, trying custom ROMs as you see fit.

cheers all
thanks to all who replied.
i am gonna have a go tonight
take it easy all

so i had a go...
i flashed my first ROM. (and there was much rejoicing)
i read a little further down the page about a hard spl
what is one of these??
i want to get rid of the vodafone software. i want to brick my phone and start again. i suceeded in flashing my phone butit looks exactly the same.....and still does the same stupid stuff
i still dont wanna do the wrong hing with this so am hoping someone will be patient enough to tell me exactly which bit i need
yours patiently
scared ****less

ihtetytnii said:
i flashed my first ROM. (and there was much rejoicing)
i read a little further down the page about a hard spl
what is one of these??
i want to get rid of the vodafone software. i want to brick my phone and start again.
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As always the FAQs and stickies are your friend.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL%20Questions%3F
Oh and I really hope you don't actually WANT to brick your phone.

Just because you unlocked and hard spl'd your phone, nothing is going to change if you flash the same old Voda rom back on to it. What rom did you flash ?

shrugs
the one in the recommended guide
all i want to do is get rid of the vodafone crap and start again
to be hones, i don't really understand much of th terminology or exactly what i'm doing. just following instructions. i'm ust a little nervous (and lazy) some of the guides (while great and accurate from what i have tried) assume a lot of knowledge and when i have to start learning stuff like this it confuses me and i tend to not achieve what i wanted.
my phone has developed some odd and irritating behaviour not to mention being slow as hell sometimes
i would quite happily swap this phone for something without a slide keyboard if there is a bit of the board where ican do that

Well......again, what rom and spl do you have currently on the phone ?

A good thing to do for someone scared ****less .. sit back, don't touch the phone, and go through reading the FAQ as posted by others. Especially flashing for noobs by mskip.
Then look up on the Kaiser Wiki on this XDA site (google Kaiser Wiki). Read through and understand what Hard SPL is, what it means to unlock your phone, and why it's important.
Combine those knowledge, you're ready to flash. Otherwise, go and pay a visit to nearest shop that offers flashing service. Pay them, and if it doesn't work, sue them. Here at XDA we can help, but you need to pickup something before we can do much help.

i have windows mobile 6.1 on here at the moment.

i'm running windows mobile version 6.1