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Guys, I know this has been asked before - I just cant seem to find a conclusive answer. But here goes;
Will a SDHC 4GB SD card work on my Blueangel with Helmi's BA WM2k5 AKU3.5 (v.1.4 )? Has anyone got one working?
Hi J_Hutt
I have a 4gb SD card in my BA and it works just fine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card
Untill reading your question and the wikipedia page above, I wasn't aware that my 4gb card was an SDHC card. My card does not show an SDHC logo, but from that wikipedia article it seems all cards >2gb are SDHC (1024byte blocks as opposed to 512).
We are of course at the mercy of wikipedia here though, its information is not always perfect.
Thanks for that, tho I gather the SD"HC" cards are different to the standard SD and not all devices are compatible (same form factor, just something about transfer rate / capacity / Fat32 file system etc)
Is anyone using a SDHC card in their WM% Blueangel?
As I can understand, there are some 4GB SD - non SDHC cards. Google for TS4GSD150. Or read this: http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/index.html#special-sd.html - section "SD and SDHC Card Size Overlap"
Yeah I am aware of that (non SDHC 4GB cards) Situation is that I bought a 4GB SD (not SDHC) card online and it was DOA (not just in my BA, but in readers etc)
Supplier has just emailed me offering to replace it, but do I want a SDHC at no extra cost blah blah....and I am thinking, why not if it will work.
So, again...has anyone used a SDHC in their BA?
You can get it, and if it doesn't work on BA you will have a good excuse to buy a new smartphone...
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Hi J_Hutt
I have a 4gb SD card in my BA and it works just fine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card
Untill reading your question and the wikipedia page above, I wasn't aware that my 4gb card was an SDHC card. My card does not show an SDHC logo, but from that wikipedia article it seems all cards >2gb are SDHC (1024byte blocks as opposed to 512).
We are of course at the mercy of wikipedia here though, its information is not always perfect.
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Hi thingonaspring,
which card you have (brand, model..)? I would want to buy a 4gb's card for my Q9090. What I can buy?
Thx
Bb
4Gb SDHC card doesn't work
Not that long ago, I bought a 4Gb SDHC card and not knowing about SDHC (thinking it was another marketing term) and even though it was working fine in the cheap card reader on my desk, it did not do anything in my BA.
Went back to the supplier and switched it for a regular SD card and that one has been working fine since.
SDHC cards
SDHC cards are 3d generation SD card technology,
They have some abilities,
1 to 32 gb capacity
Improved read and write speed,
Data stability,
Content encryption etc..
This technology requires hardware support which device will use, there is no software support. ( Except USB 2.0 cardreader used computers. )
Don't buy SDHC cards, there is already normal 4 gb SD card from SanDiskand kingston, and future 8 gb will coming.
Thx.
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They have some abilities,
1 to 32 gb capacity
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That's a bit shortsighted IMHO, 32 gb isn't all that much these days.
i found this when i was searching. If anyone found a regular 8 GB SD card please post it here, i'll be tempted to buy it for sure because it seems like thats the best way to go. Overall if you do get the BA to accept this type of card it wont be compatible in other older devices thats currenly out now. So i think buying a SDHC Card isn't a good investment right now.
But please don't let me change anyone's mind, I'm just looking for a good investment right now.
http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=251468&pid=802703&st=0&#entry802703
SD Card info ... from the Windows Mobile Team ...
Everything you wanted to know about SD Cards, but were afraid to ask:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2007/01/12/everything-you-want-to-know-about-sd.aspx
The SD Standard used by the PPC phones at present does not support larger than 2Gb by definition. However, some 4Gb SD Cards will work in the BA, but this depends solely on the block-size which is being used by the cards.
Your mileage may vary ... try before you buy, and if you do find a 4Gb or an 8Gb one which works (and gets 8Gb of storage - not overlapped!!!) then post the brand/make/model here, as I'm sure many people would love to take their music collection along - a.la.ipod style ...
I have a knockoff SanDisk 4Gb from ebay that works in my BlueAngel (wm2003SE)
I also have the Transcend 4gb 150X card that worked fine. The card itself has problems, which is why I swapped to the knockoff.
beware that some usb readers are not able to deal with 4gb SD cards (notably the Lexar 12 in 1)
If your reader is IDing the card as 900 and change MBs your reader is struggling try another.
I have had no problems with the HTC unit and the cards. The transcend was messing up the same way in the device and every reader I threw at it...
Good luck
Gil
EQUANCY said:
SDHC cards are 3d generation SD card technology,
They have some abilities,
1 to 32 gb capacity
Improved read and write speed,
Data stability,
Content encryption etc..
This technology requires hardware support which device will use, there is no software support. ( Except USB 2.0 cardreader used computers. )
Don't buy SDHC cards, there is already normal 4 gb SD card from SanDiskand kingston, and future 8 gb will coming.
Thx.
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Incorrect, I just posted about this. SDHC format can handle much more storage than 32 GB, however there are physical theoretical limits to flash memory, just like there are those for CPU's. My post
Regards,
Jason
What is incorrect?
JKR said:
Incorrect, I just posted about this. SDHC format can handle much more storage than 32 GB, however there are physical theoretical limits to flash memory, just like there are those for CPU's. My post
Regards,
Jason
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There is no incorrect comment.
SDHC is an 3 generation NandFlash technology.
Now, The limit is 32 gb at this time,
Mean of limit is Secure, stable and usable.
May be some firms reached this limit (however you know more than 32 gb I don't now) but not this time.
There is only 8 gb cards on sale and 16 and 32's are coming in 2007-8.
Why i write 1-32 gb?
Because, there is no 512 mb SDHC but well 1 gb SDHC, you may find it.
What is SDHC, why not compitable with standart SD cards.
#1) Disk write and Read functions and commands are changed, New SDHC cards can write upto 6-10 mbps to disk and 50-80 mbps Read from disk. ( I sad disk them, they have no unique name ). This differents come from his hardware structure -->> I/O Busses, Voltage levels, frequenties and other reasons.
#2) They have a chip, he manage reading and writing operations, they have no processor, may you say DCU ( Data Controlling unit, that is mine ID ).
#3) They developed with NandFlash 2.0 technology, This is third of Nano Sized Memory blocks technology. ( You may find somethings about it ).
At the and.
SDHC cards are not compitable with SD 1.0 and 1.1 platforms, not like bluetooth 1.0 and 2.0, there is no old format support. ( No one has been sad yet )
if you want to buy SDHC, be sure the compatibility.
Blueangel's SD 1.1 slots have 1.2/12 mbps speeds ( Write/Read )
"This is not maximum speed of SD 1.1 they reached 2.1/25 mbps on USB 2.0 cardreaders."
The numbers may be some wrong, but be sure they are nearly values.
And lastone.
CPU's are not simple units. And they have so much parts.
You may find somethinks like of this comments in the Internet.
Just search it.
Come on ppl buy buy buy
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=8+gb+sd+card
Just leave one flash drive and the 8GB combo for me. When your done just let us hear the reviews
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There is no incorrect comment...Now, The limit is 32 gb at this time
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Well perhaps "incorrect" was a bit harsh. It all depends on where you get your info. here lists the ultimate capacity under the new memory addressing scheme as 2 TB. Where as here the maximum size is listed as 32 GB. Now I did mention that there are physical limitations of flash memory, and may not be able to reach the 2 TB limit, but under the SDHC standard, 2 TB is supported.
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SDHC cards are not compitable with SD 1.0 and 1.1 platforms, not like bluetooth 1.0 and 2.0, there is no old format support. ( No one has been sad yet )...
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This is what I had read also. I had done some little investigation into this a few months back, so I'm no stranger to searching the web, and had done so back then and once again. With that said, the second link above actually had some new info. It lists SDHC readers as being backwards compatible. Where as what I had read sometime back, was that there were legal restrictions imposed by the SD group to prevent this. Perhaps this has changed now. Well I suppose I may be defending a bad premise, because to be honest, when I had originally searched about SDHC, I didn't come across the 32 GB limit. And I suppose I could have been more specific about what I was referring to in your post.
Regards,
Jason
Good but...
This is mine last post about SDHC.
32 is Maximum reached SDHC capacity at this time, 2 TB is only theorical limit.
When someone make 2 TB SDHC then you can say the upto 2 TB capacity.
May be 2 TB SDHC's will come in future, then we can talk about 2 tb.
This is an example:
Intel goes to 45 nm technology, and that give a way to 8 or more core processor and upto 3 ghz per core speed without Netburst technoloy.
"Can you say there is already 8 core processor with 24 ghz total speed?"
You sad:
"It lists SDHC readers as being backwards compatible"
1-I sad about cards, not readers.
2-I sad SD 1.0 and 1.1 slots are can not use SDHC cards, I didn't sad SDHC Cardreaders can not read SD cards.
I write somethings about SDHC, because someone can buy them, this tech useless for our PDA's, i want help people. Because
I'v got so much help here,
May we can use SDHC's in nexttimes with external adapters or converters as SD.
May be...
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...You sad:
"It lists SDHC readers as being backwards compatible"
1-I sad about cards, not readers.
2-I sad SD 1.0 and 1.1 slots are can not use SDHC cards, I didn't sad SDHC Cardreaders can not read SD cards...
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I wasn't correcting you when I said this, I was correcting my statement that there was no compatibility. I had read at one point that there was no backwards compatibility (for legal reasons), but it looks like they changed that. but I will say that technically there aren't any 32 GB SDHC cards either. It is just a matter of what the question is asking, what is the largest capacity in development vs. what is the largest capacity possible.
Regards,
Jason
Hey guys i just bought the 8GB SDHC card and the flash drive reader/writer that comes with it.
It will take about two weeks in shipping for me so i'll keep you guys inform of the type and where i bought it from.
It's simple: I'm looking for an SDHC-support update/hack/driver/other for Blue Angel (Qtek 9090).
Can anybody help me?
Yes, it's rather easy: sell BA, buy sth that supports SDHC out of the box.
More complicated solution: wait until more devices will support SDHC, then sell BA and buy it.
So far we can forget about update of drivers to support SDHC and, what is more probable, device itself is not capable of suppoorting SDHC.
Thanks for you respons even though I don't like the sound of it.
Nothing at all I can do to get my Blue Angel på support SDHC? Nothing?
For sure something can be done
1. Write driver that supports SDHC, if chip inside is capable of reading SDHC cards. If not:
2. Unsolder reader and solder a new one in it's place, that supports SDHC for sure. Then write driver.
In both cases it will be easier and cheaper to just buy new deivce.
BTW: yo you know, that BA reads easily 4GB SD cards, that are not SDHC (a bit out of standard, but still possible)? Maybe it would be enough for you?
Ok. I'll sell the 8 GB SDHC-card and buy another (not HC) SD-card.
Thanks...
From all the technical datasheet I've gathered so far, it's all in the drivers.
Not even the device reader's firmware.
Right now I'm just waiting for a WM5 device that fully supports SDHC so we can lift the driver out of it, but that chance of that is slim as they'll all most liekly be WM6. Anyway, there is a possibility and I'm not giving up that easily.
So when is it possible for a sdhc-driver for Blue Angel to come out? Soon or should I sell my 8 GB SDHC and buy a 4 GB SD?
If you want to have more flash on your BA, you should buy no-SDHC card. Even it there will be any device on WM5 that reads SDHC, there is little chance it will work correctly in WM5 on BA.
And chances of having new device on WM5 are also lower and lower, as WM6 is the mainstream today.
8gb SD
My 8GB SD card (not SDHC) does not work in my BA.
Anyone know if a driver has been released?
Forget about driver. So far.
Where have you bought 8GB SD that is not HC? Any links?
What reader it is compatible with this (rather odd) thing?
8GB SD
fleabay are selling 8gb sd cards.
The readers are sdhc and sd compatible.
prices are around £45 incl reader + del.
what are the chances of a 8gb sd driver?
Does the Athena support SDHC?
AbuGWM5: I don't think there can be SD card that is both SD and SDHC compatible. It's like having a partition formatted both Fat32 and EXT2 at the same time.
hardingt0110: This is BlueAngel forum, isn't it?
The only non HC 8 gig SD cards are MMC. These can be made to work with driver support. It's all in the data transfer. Here's all you ever wanted to know about SD cards http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/samsung-i730-i830-i830w/88442-8-gb-card-hunting-tips.html
AbuGWM5 said:
fleabay are selling 8gb sd cards.
The readers are sdhc and sd compatible.
prices are around £45 incl reader + del.
what are the chances of a 8gb sd driver?
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I just looked on ebay (US and UK) and all the 8 gig SD cards I saw were SDHC. Have a link to one of these cards that are not SDHC?
8gb SD
Here's the link to the 8gb SD card:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/150X-8GB-OEM-...yZ122613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Sorry for the mis-understanding: i meant 8gb SD card with a reader that is compatible with SDHC.
MMC just stands for multi-media card. So any memory card falls into that category.
PS buy at your own risk from the above seller he is very slow with delivery approx 4 weeks from USA and his cards may not be x150.
If you really want this 8gb sd card pm me if you'd like to purchase from me.
"8GB Secure Digital™ SD SDHC"
That card will not work in the BA, it's an SDHC card.
AbuGWM5 said:
MMC just stands for multi-media card. So any memory card falls into that category.
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MMC is registered name of MultiMediaCard standard, that is separate from SD (but usually compatible), MemoryStick, CompactFlash and other standards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiMediaCard
mmc sd
jakubd said:
MMC is registered name of MultiMediaCard standard, that is separate from SD (but usually compatible), MemoryStick, CompactFlash and other standards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiMediaCard
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Thanks jakubd
Hi!
I understand that HTC Kaiser (TyTN II) support SD 2.0 standard, which allow it to use microSDHC memory card.
Yesterday, I have found a Kingston 4GB microSDHC memory card at one retailer shop, I want to buy it. So I asked the storekeeper for a test by inserting the 4GB card into TyTN II card slot. The result, TYTN II do not recognize or see the microSDHC card from Kingston at all.
I have read in other forum that TyTN II can use Sandisk or Toshiba microSDHC card up to 4GB without the need of any driver of anything.
So what's the problem? My Kaiser use released ROM (WM6) and it work fine with 2GB microSD, but why it do not work with microSDHC?
Can any friend explain why? and can you help me get my TyTN II to work with 4GM microsSDHC?
Thank for advaice
Regards
Sanchai T.
Bangkok, Thailand
I use Sandisk 6GB microSDHC without any problem at all.
gogol said:
I use Sandisk 6GB microSDHC without any problem at all.
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Same here. And I also have tested the 8GB. Also worked fine.
I own Kingston 4GB microSDHC, works like a charm The problm may be in the card or your device. First of all try inserting the card when device is switched on.
Don't forget, maybe it was a shonky card in the first place?
bishopau said:
Don't forget, maybe it was a shonky card in the first place?
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It may not have been properly pre-formatted either, sometimes the factory format isn't perfect.
I also use 4GB Sandisk card. The only problem is it get's stuck (U can't remove it just by giving it a little push after wich it's supposed to pop out).
In some other thread there is a discussion of this problem and someone recommended "going round the edges with a paper clip" wich I didn't understand. Can someone who has solved the issue give me more details about the solution?
All in all 4GB Sandisk card seems to larger than normal.
I was about to buy a 4gb Kingston Micro SDHC on the weekend, but held off because my Sandosk 2gb isnt even half full.
It was a class 4 which i presume is faster than my Sandisk 2gb.
Im curios to know what the Kaisers actual sustained transfer rates are with the SDHC cards.
Imo, Kaiser will not be able to use full speed of the card even if it was 0.5 class =)) Higher class card only works faster through card-reader, not in the device or through Card Export.
I've also noticed, that my kingston is hard to get back from the device, but i think it is the problem of the slot cover - it really s*cks.
PsychodelEKS said:
Imo, Kaiser will not be able to use full speed of the card even if it was 0.5 class =)) Higher class card only works faster through card-reader, not in the device or through Card Export.
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Is your Kingston a SDHC? And did you get a card reader with it?
When i had my HTC P3600i i found that whilst running TomTom6 off my microSD and selecting 6 types of POI it would hang as i beleived it would 'time out' as the data transfer rate was slower than allowed. This was using a Sandisk 1Gb MicroSD in a miniSD adaptor.
Hence why i am genuinely curious to know what is the actual sustained data transfer rate of the Tytn II.
Yes, it is microSDHC (I doubt you find microSD 4Gb large), cardreader was purchased separately. I'm almost sure, that inner kaiser controller will not be able to transfer data to main memory at rates close to the specified in the class description. Though, I also doubt, that you TomTom problem had anything in common with SD data transfer rate. I'm sure you were able to watch video from it (your card), and it is about 1500kbit/sec (HQ) - far more then needed to perform any searching operations. Practically, I've noticed, that copying files through cardreader is about 5 times faster than through CardExport and not sure this was device USB limitation.
After reformatting the 4GB Kingston micro SDHC card, it work OK!
Thank for advise! The shopkeeper thank me a lot, saying that if you don't tell me to format the card, I will never know!
Thank guys!
tsanchai said:
After reformatting the 4GB Kingston micro SDHC card, it work OK!
Thank for advise! The shopkeeper thank me a lot, saying that if you don't tell me to format the card, I will never know!
Thank guys!
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Does that Kingston card pop out with ease or do you have to force it out? I am about order a 4gig
gogol said:
I use Sandisk 6GB microSDHC without any problem at all.
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Me too, quite cheep from Play.com too
gogol said:
I use Sandisk 6GB microSDHC without any problem at all.
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Is there anybody have any try on microSDHC 8GB or larger ???
thaop00 said:
Is there anybody have any try on microSDHC 8GB or larger ???
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see the third post from this very thread
I'm picking one of these magnificent devices up in the next couple of days and was going to pick up the largest microSD card I could get. However, while looking for the cards, I am seeing microSD and microSDHC.
What is the difference?
Thanx.
Found this here (info copied to the bottom of post)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SDHC
Which I think explains it but doesn't really help you. But I think this thread will:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329777&highlight=sdhc
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"SDHC
8GB SDHC cards
8GB SDHC cards
An extension of the SD standard, SDHC (Secure Digital High Capacity, SD 2.0), allows capacities in excess of 2 GB. SDHC cards are often formatted with the FAT32 file system, which supports partition sizes greater than 2 GB.[11] It uses the same form factor as SD, but the SD 2.0 standard in SDHC uses a different memory addressing method (sector addressing vs byte addressing), thus theoretically reaching a maximum capacity of up to 2048GB. SDHC cards only work in SDHC compatible devices, but standard SD cards work in both SD and SDHC devices. The SDHC trademark is licensed to ensure compatibility.[12]
SDHC cards have SD Speed Class Ratings defined by the SD Association. The SD Speed Class Ratings specify the following minimum sustained write speed on to empty SDHC cards:
* Class 2: 2 MB/s
* Class 4: 4 MB/s
* Class 6: 6 MB/s
[edit] SD and SDHC compatibility issues
As of early 2007, the simultaneous availability of non-standard 4 GB SD and 4 GB SDHC cards, and incompatibilities between SD and SDHC have caused confusion among consumers buying memory devices.
SD and SDHC cards and devices have these compatibility issues :
* Devices that do not specifically support SDHC do not recognize SDHC memory cards.
* Some manufacturers have produced 4 GB SD cards that conform to neither the SD2.0/SDHC spec nor existing SD devices."
Thank u 4 your input, mattarse. Good 2 know that the Kaiser will support ANY microSDHC card. Thanx 2 that, I ordered an 8GB microSDHC I saw on techdepot.com this morning (http://www.techdepot.com/pro/product.asp?productid=5699101).
Thanx again!
stmasi said:
Thank u 4 your input, mattarse. Good 2 know that the Kaiser will support ANY microSDHC card. Thanx 2 that, I ordered an 8GB microSDHC I saw on techdepot.com this morning (http://www.techdepot.com/pro/product.asp?productid=5699101).
Thanx again!
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Just a post to confirm that the Kaiser works perfectly with that Sandisk 8 GB micro-SDHC. I now can carry the full Tomtom Europe maps and the full Wikipedia and still have 2 GB free.
Superb choice. I have a Sandisk 8gb MicroSDHC in mine.
(Suddenly feels inadequate with his lonely 4GB microSD card...)
Any news on when the 16Gb and 32Gb microsdhc cards are coming out?
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(Suddenly feels inadequate with his lonely 4GB microSD card...)
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We always want (need?) more. I have my 8 GB which is never full, depends on the use of course, if you're always on the way, you want to watch films, ok your sd will be full.
Now I'll also use as mp3 player, sure I'll complain it's not enought . Hope to see 16 GB asap hehe.
(want 32GB...what I have to wait ?? )
I'm presently running Toflock WM6 and wanted to install the biggest possible SD card so I can put TT6 UK & Europe plus tons of other stuff without swapping cards.
I was advised in the Hima forum that there were SDHC patches which would enable SDHC. So based on this advice I just bought an Adata 8GB card.
I've tried several patches and nothing works, even the non-HC cards stop working and I have to re-install the Extrom prog to bring it back
So has anyone managed to get a class 6 SHDC card running yet ? If so with what rom etc.
Thanks
i am sorry to tell u this but SDHC is not possible on any Hima YET !!..i released 2 or maybe 3 Patches my self but none of them work...users cant even run 4GB and u bought 8GB..hope its refundable
Okay, I'll just have to keep an eye out for threads about SDHC updates.
In the meantime the Adata 8GB SDHC card will have to serve as a healthy sized flash drive to swap movies / mp3s with friends/family etc.
I've noticed 'non-SDHC' 4gb 50x speed cards on ebay. Has anyone got positive experience of slower speed 4GB cards like this??
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I've noticed 'non-SDHC' 4gb 50x speed cards on ebay. Has anyone got positive experience of slower speed 4GB cards like this??
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Forget it.
Decent 4 GB SD cards from well known manufacturers cost approx. 20 €/$
There is no need for this cheap crap.
Sascha
I got one SD on 4 GB x150 speed and it works perfect on my himalaya
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I got one SD on 4 GB x150 speed and it works perfect on my himalaya
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r u sure?
how? and what product?
billionton, adata or what??
Yes, i'm sure!
It's a Transcend card
I've got an A-Data 4-Gb, pink stiker (it says: myflash, 150x turbo SD 4gb Adata) and it's working well (sure not at 150x, maybe 1x ). To be fair, I have tryed several ones diferent sizes and the bigger they are slower they work, not only on the PDA but in the PC as well.
Have you testet read/write access to the whole 4gb? As far as I know, you can use these cards, but you have no access beyond 2gb.
4GB CARD
I am working with Transcend 4GB Card and the speed is great , No problem at all.
I also use a Transcend 4GB SD and it works great. You can access the full 4Gb. I watch many tv series in my himalaya with tcpmp.
As I said full access to the 4Gb card. I used to travel with my 100Gb 2,5 USB HD, some times I thinks it's a shame there is no app to get acess to it through a kind o USB cable, wuold you imagine?