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SD card issues

Has anyone else got issues with the use of SD cards in their Alpine derivitive?
Like the card not showing as being there when you try to write to it or explore the phone with file explorer or ActiveSync?
Perhaps videos on the card stop whilst watching them with a file error or the like?
Mine does with all 4 different makes of card I have tried and I am wondering if this is a common fault.

Yep its a very common fault.
I think everyone has the same experiences. (Me included)
what version ROMs do you have ?
there is an upgrade available if yours is the origonal, the upgrade will help a bit.
have a look here ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=25801
But read to the Third page as "Pug" psted a more up to date package

I am using Pug's Radio version 1.03 hybrid, but continue to suffer!
I have downloaded a SD Card benchmarking utility, my card is showing as 4.7x, but I don't know how that relates to manufacturers quoted speeds. It is either painfully slow or uses a different scale!

1GB SD from Transcend
Some ppl said the Transcend 512 SD works well on the 2i, just wonder if the 1 GB will work as good as the 512...
Any comment will be appreciated

Does anyone know where to get the 4 GB SD-Cards cheapest?
And what branches are there?
A-Data and Pretec i know, but are there more?

Re: 1GB SD from Transcend
bryan_suen said:
Some ppl said the Transcend 512 SD works well on the 2i, just wonder if the 1 GB will work as good as the 512...
Any comment will be appreciated
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I bought a Transcend 256mb 80X card an my XDA IIi has worked flawlessly since with no lock-ups what-so-ever.
I can't speak for the 1mb though!
This seems to be a power issue, the Transcend cards are very low voltage and ampage. My old SanDisk card would fail every time a network function took place, and they are high power drains.

I bought a OEM (white labelled) 1GB MMC and use it on my IIi. Everything is fine so far...
Is there any difference between MMC and SD in terms of IIi flaws?
:?:

Only SD cards are supported by the XDA2i, although if you use the backpack addon i think you can use MMC, but not without the addon.

Someone told me once that the IIi works best with a fast SD card like the Kingston Elite Pro. I changed to that and all my problems when away. TomTom5 stopped locking up as well.

Kingston SD Card
Are there any other users who have used the Kingston Elite Pro SD Card. I have been looking around for a while, and the Kingston Elite Pro 1 GB / 512 MB seem to be a single layered card.
I also wanted to confirm that when using a Sandisk SD card, I am having lockup's. If I take the card out of the slot, the XDA2i begins to respond again. Though I must admit I havent tested it exhaustively.

Kingston SD Card
Are there any other users who have used the Kingston Elite Pro SD Card. I have been looking around for a while, and the Kingston Elite Pro 1 GB / 512 MB seem to be a single layered card.
I also wanted to confirm that when using a Sandisk SD card, I am having lockup's. If I take the card out of the slot, the XDA2i begins to respond again. Though I must admit I havent tested it exhaustively.

Danny-B- said:
Only SD cards are supported by the XDA2i, although if you use the backpack addon i think you can use MMC, but not without the addon.
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You mean CF not MMC. SD and MMC both work in SD slots, but not vice versa.
CF type 2 is the slot on the VGA backpack.

SD Card issue
I understand all SD cards work.. I was trying to find the compatability of the same with Tomtom Navigator 5. I understand from the earlier posts that a multi layer card causes lockups. The transcend 80X card works fine. I was inclined towards buying a Kingston Elite Pro and hence the question...

SD Card issue
I have removed this message as it was posted twice by mistake

another Newbie,.,
hiya all. . i'm recieving my Xda 2i in about an hour.. just wondering which SD memory works best.. i read a few posts and quite frankly being quite confused,, was about to order a scandisk SD 1 gb card.. but i read somewhere ppl saying this is bad??
is that true?
thanks..

The Sandisk is not the best one. I have one and it causes lockups being a multilayer card. The transcend 80x works fine ( what i gather from different forums ). The Kingston Elite Pro also has some very good feedback. I am purchasing a 1 gb Kingston elite pro today. Sandisk is a no no... [/quote]

Thanks m8...
Kingston elite pro huh? like this one?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7550999880

zehave said:
Thanks m8...
Kingston elite pro huh? like this one?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7550999880
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I cannot browse Ebay at work so couldnt confirm. But you could find the card on this url:
http://www.epcbuyer.com/products.asp?recnumber=5761
Its around £44 on this site.
I tried to find a deal at ebay from home yesterday. They are around £39 and are being shipped from HongKong. I dont know when we will receive it. There could be excise + other charges. I am not sure.

hmm.. well on this guy whom is shipping from HK is selling it at 25 quid including shipping.. .trouble is i want it asap .. Heh... buying from him seems like 20 quid cheaper.. howeber have to wait for about 10 days or so.. . so he sez.. not to mention customs and duties.. ....
i just might shell out 44 quid then...

zehave said:
hmm.. well on this guy whom is shipping from HK is selling it at 25 quid including shipping.. .trouble is i want it asap .. Heh... buying from him seems like 20 quid cheaper.. howeber have to wait for about 10 days or so.. . so he sez.. not to mention customs and duties.. ....
i just might shell out 44 quid then...
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Well you also avoided the same trap... I almost fell into. Though it says £12 (Card) + £13 for postage, but you didnt have a look at the mandatory insurance which stands at £13. In all its around £38 + Other expenses. Not to mention the pain of getting it from hongkong...
Good decision at last...

microSDHC and TyTN II

Hi!
I understand that HTC Kaiser (TyTN II) support SD 2.0 standard, which allow it to use microSDHC memory card.
Yesterday, I have found a Kingston 4GB microSDHC memory card at one retailer shop, I want to buy it. So I asked the storekeeper for a test by inserting the 4GB card into TyTN II card slot. The result, TYTN II do not recognize or see the microSDHC card from Kingston at all.
I have read in other forum that TyTN II can use Sandisk or Toshiba microSDHC card up to 4GB without the need of any driver of anything.
So what's the problem? My Kaiser use released ROM (WM6) and it work fine with 2GB microSD, but why it do not work with microSDHC?
Can any friend explain why? and can you help me get my TyTN II to work with 4GM microsSDHC?
Thank for advaice
Regards
Sanchai T.
Bangkok, Thailand

I use Sandisk 6GB microSDHC without any problem at all.

gogol said:
I use Sandisk 6GB microSDHC without any problem at all.
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Same here. And I also have tested the 8GB. Also worked fine.

I own Kingston 4GB microSDHC, works like a charm The problm may be in the card or your device. First of all try inserting the card when device is switched on.

Don't forget, maybe it was a shonky card in the first place?

bishopau said:
Don't forget, maybe it was a shonky card in the first place?
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It may not have been properly pre-formatted either, sometimes the factory format isn't perfect.

I also use 4GB Sandisk card. The only problem is it get's stuck (U can't remove it just by giving it a little push after wich it's supposed to pop out).
In some other thread there is a discussion of this problem and someone recommended "going round the edges with a paper clip" wich I didn't understand. Can someone who has solved the issue give me more details about the solution?
All in all 4GB Sandisk card seems to larger than normal.

I was about to buy a 4gb Kingston Micro SDHC on the weekend, but held off because my Sandosk 2gb isnt even half full.
It was a class 4 which i presume is faster than my Sandisk 2gb.
Im curios to know what the Kaisers actual sustained transfer rates are with the SDHC cards.

Imo, Kaiser will not be able to use full speed of the card even if it was 0.5 class =)) Higher class card only works faster through card-reader, not in the device or through Card Export.
I've also noticed, that my kingston is hard to get back from the device, but i think it is the problem of the slot cover - it really s*cks.

PsychodelEKS said:
Imo, Kaiser will not be able to use full speed of the card even if it was 0.5 class =)) Higher class card only works faster through card-reader, not in the device or through Card Export.
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Is your Kingston a SDHC? And did you get a card reader with it?
When i had my HTC P3600i i found that whilst running TomTom6 off my microSD and selecting 6 types of POI it would hang as i beleived it would 'time out' as the data transfer rate was slower than allowed. This was using a Sandisk 1Gb MicroSD in a miniSD adaptor.
Hence why i am genuinely curious to know what is the actual sustained data transfer rate of the Tytn II.

Yes, it is microSDHC (I doubt you find microSD 4Gb large), cardreader was purchased separately. I'm almost sure, that inner kaiser controller will not be able to transfer data to main memory at rates close to the specified in the class description. Though, I also doubt, that you TomTom problem had anything in common with SD data transfer rate. I'm sure you were able to watch video from it (your card), and it is about 1500kbit/sec (HQ) - far more then needed to perform any searching operations. Practically, I've noticed, that copying files through cardreader is about 5 times faster than through CardExport and not sure this was device USB limitation.

After reformatting the 4GB Kingston micro SDHC card, it work OK!
Thank for advise! The shopkeeper thank me a lot, saying that if you don't tell me to format the card, I will never know!
Thank guys!

tsanchai said:
After reformatting the 4GB Kingston micro SDHC card, it work OK!
Thank for advise! The shopkeeper thank me a lot, saying that if you don't tell me to format the card, I will never know!
Thank guys!
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Does that Kingston card pop out with ease or do you have to force it out? I am about order a 4gig

gogol said:
I use Sandisk 6GB microSDHC without any problem at all.
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Me too, quite cheep from Play.com too

gogol said:
I use Sandisk 6GB microSDHC without any problem at all.
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Is there anybody have any try on microSDHC 8GB or larger ???

thaop00 said:
Is there anybody have any try on microSDHC 8GB or larger ???
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see the third post from this very thread

Memory card advice wanted

Hi,
I've just received my TyTn II and am interested in getting a memory card for it.
It takes Micro SD but what is the max size that it/WM6 will work with?
Also, what is Micro SDHC? and can I use it?
I've seen a 2GB MicroSD card for £7.55 del. but I probably want a bigger card.
I intend using it for tomtom - photos - some games and apps and of course data file storage.
TIA
Bryan

I picked up a SanDisk 8GB via Amazon for under $70 USD (minus shipping).
http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-Micro...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1204123335&sr=8-1

I have a San Disk 8gig in mine and it's great.
Cheers, Paul

Thanks for the quick replies,
As you are using 8GB cards they must be MicroSDHC? AFAIK MicroSD cards that hold 4GB or greater are all MicroSDHC.
Any chance you can pop your card and see?

The 8Gb SanDisk that I ordered is MicroSDHC (a.k.a. 2.0).

The HC stands for High Capacity and it is indeed for cards above 4 GB.
The device for the memory card has to be HC capable and lucky for us, our Kaiser is
Every micro sd card also has a class (2, 4 or 6 I believe). The higher the number, the better transfer rates (and response time), but also the bigger the cost.
I currently have a 6 GB (class 4) micro SD card. I'm going to wait a while to buy a new one until cards with about 16 GB or 32 GB (or something like that) of memory come around.

I'm also running the sandisk 8gb SDHC card. Its speedy and
works flawlessly. I got it on amazon for about 80 USD
The only thing i could recommend after having a card this big
is a good card exporting program on your phone so not
limited by activesync

Thanks for the help.
The 2GB MicroSD card at £7.55 seems very good value but I'll wait for an 8GB MicroSDHC deal to come along.
Hopefully a faster variant too..
Is it possible to connect the phone to a PC and have it recognised as a large memory stick? I know some phones do and then you can just explore them like a disc drive.
I will setup activesync at home for normal installation etc. but wondered if I could access the SD card whilst in phone from the PC/USB a la memory stick whilst at work.

yes, you can access the SD card like it's a memory stick by exploring. However, the transfer rate isn't as good as a USB connection with a stick. The 8GB SanDisk comes with a USB reader so that the card can actually be used in the reader just like a stick. Fastest transfer rate I've ever gotten with my phone

I'm using an 8Gb SanDisk MicroSDHC.
Works great!

I have a 8gb and it is fine.. but if you wait until next month you can pick up a 12gb and really have some storage space.

'im using a sandisk 6GB MicroSDHC for about 50canadian$

WebAgents said:
Thanks for the help.
The 2GB MicroSD card at £7.55 seems very good value but I'll wait for an 8GB MicroSDHC deal to come along.
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Talk about a deal i just purchased two 8gb for $70 because they were used and only came with one adapter.

I got my 8 gb sandisk sdhc card on ebay - another place to look for a great deal. Just be careful about the track record of the seller. I love the 8 gb card, but will be looking for a 16 gb card when they come out.

i saw the 16GB ones out anyone tried if it will work with the kaiser???

I run a Kingston 8GB SDHC in mine without problems (brought it over from my SDHC enabled Orbit), which I bought for £25 about 8 months ago from mobymemory. Never had any problems with it at all.

would a 16GB SDHC memory card work for TYTNII?

Thinking of buying this 16GB SDHC memory card.
http://www.meritline.com/kingston-16gb-sdhc20-class4-sd-card.html
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.a...m=206812522&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=15890
But I dont wanna throw away money..so..
is the TYTNII a SD (ver. 1.0, 1.1) device? (if so then it will not recognize SDHC cards (>4GB))?
Does anyone know if this works with TYTNII (pratically, not theoretically)?
Has anyone used this or the 12GB one?
Thanks
some info on it:
Compatibility with SDHC 16GB: 16GB SDHC are designed for devices that are compatible with the SDHC 2.0 specifications. The SDHC logo on the packaging is to ensure compatibility. Please check with your device manufacturer for their current/future supported SDHC devices.
SDHC works differently then standard SD cards, this new format is not backwards compatible with legacy SD format host devices.
Kingston Technology's Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC) memory cards are fully compliant with the new SD Association specification version 2.00. They are a new performance class of SD memory cards designed to meet the storage demands of high-quality digital still and video cameras and other high-resolution image recording devices.
-Remember that standard host devices must call out support for SDHC in order to be compatible with SDHC Cards (>4GB). Look for the logo!
-SD (ver. 1.0, 1.1) devices will not recognize SDHC cards (>4GB).
Features/benefits:
Compliant: with the SD Card Association specification version 2.00
Secure: built-in write-protect switch prevents accidental data loss
Compatible: with SDHC host devices; not compatible with standard SD-enabled devices/readers
File Format: FAT 32
Simple: as easy as plug-and-play
Specifications:
Capacities: 16GB
Dimensions: 0.94" x 1.25" x 0.08" (24mm x 32mm x 2.1mm)
Speed Class Rating:
--Class 2: 2MB/sec. guaranteed minimum data transfer rate
--Class 4: 4MB/sec. guaranteed minimum data transfer rate
--Class 6: 6MB/sec. guaranteed minimum data transfer rate
Operating Temperature: -13°F to 185°F(-25°C to 85°C)
Storage Temperature: -40°F to 185°F(-40°C to 85°C)
Voltage: 3.3V

The problem is how to fit it in your Kaiser ?
Cause this is not a micro SDHC card

While I don't know about the SD version on the Kaiser, I can tell you it reads 8GB SDHC cards. So if your 1.0, 1.1 versions only recognize under 4GB then the Kaiser is obviously using a later version.
Not sure on what you are going to pay for that size card... you can get an 8GB for under $50 which might be a smarter move until the others come down in price.

dang thats the price of my tilt
btw our phone support up to 32gb

ChefChaudart said:
The problem is how to fit it in your Kaiser ?
Cause this is not a micro SDHC card
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LOL good point, i didn't even follow the link to see that. I thought that SDHC was only micro cards...but then again I don't own any other devices that use these so i never researched them.
So, to the OP the size should work...but make sure you get a micro!

the card u posted in ur link will NOT work becase it doesnt suppot SDHC...u just simply cant put it inside ur phone...

It does Fit into the phone, what you see in the link is the exterior part of it. The smaller card is in the inside (fits underneath the one shown).

bluemamba said:
It does Fit into the phone, what you see in the link is the exterior part of it. The smaller card is in the inside (fits underneath the one shown).
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Actually, the links provided are SD cards, not Micro SD. The picture is not a Micro SD to SD converter, it's just an SD card. Micro SD to SD converters do not show the size of the card on them
So in conclusion, no, the product(s) in the links you provided will not fit in the kaiser, and therefore will not work. However here in the UK, we can expect to see 16GB Micro SDHC on the 31st May. See here

Audio said:
Actually, the links provided are SD cards, not Micro SD. The picture is not a Micro SD to SD converter, it's just an SD card. Micro SD to SD converters do not show the size of the card on them
So in conclusion, no, the product(s) in the links you provided will not fit in the kaiser, and therefore will not work. However here in the UK, we can expect to see 16GB Micro SDHC on the 31st May. See here
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Sorry My bad then..
Anyway now that thats sorrted out, my question still stands

Memory limit
One of HTC tech support guys basically told me that if the microSDHC card says SDHC that the Kaiser (or the Tilt he was referring to seeing as I was talking to him about my phone) will support it...and I believe he mentioned up to at least 128gb memory capacity or something. One other poster in this thread mentioned 32gb...
Now for reality, at the time of my purchase of the Tilt Nov 2008, Sandisk was the first to make 8gb microSDHC (okay others announced it too), and the time from their announcement of 8gb being put on their website at $139.99 in Nov 2007 or so.....to the availability on amazon in roughly January or Feb 2008 at 139.99....to the current amazon price of roughly in the $50 range by March/April 2008.....to the realization that very few other memory manufacturers have released 8gb microSDHC cards.......makes one think that by the time any amazing company makes anything substantially bigger than 8gb, AND releases it to market at a price I'm willing to pay for.......By that time...I and probably many of us, will have bought a newer phone with proper drivers...that the limit of memory size of microSDHC for the kaiser will be a memory.
In others words, 8gb microSDHC is the largest you will find today (most likely), and the phone will handle much more than that in its product lifetime. Buy with confidence that your kaiser in April 2008 can handle any microSDHC product available in April 2008.
Hope this helped.

thanks nicely put

come on dude you put up a link for an sdhc memory card you need a MICRO SDHC MEMORY CARD. Also I thought all th Tytn II could use the high capicity cards...are you sure you don't have a TYtn-one.

kkkkevinkim said:
come on dude you put up a link for an sdhc memory card you need a MICRO SDHC MEMORY CARD. Also I thought all th Tytn II could use the high capicity cards...are you sure you don't have a TYtn-one.
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This is true, by this thread is 6 months old also . Have a look at the date!

I'm buying the 8 GB MicroSDHC tomorrow. My 2 GB is already completely full!!

The SanDisk 16GB microSDHC works just fine in the Tytn II -- I've been using one for about a week now. I don't notice any speed difference between it and my old class 4 8GB card.

3waygeek said:
The SanDisk 16GB microSDHC works just fine in the Tytn II -- I've been using one for about a week now. I don't notice any speed difference between it and my old class 4 8GB card.
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That sounds awesome!!! I haven't seen the 16gb ones yet. How much do they go for?

I live near a Microcenter
so the 8G Microcenter version went on sale for 34 Bucks..thats right! Now the SANDISK 8G is a little bit more expensive but they are the same class SDs. I have the Microcenter version running right now in my Tilt with only 2Gs left...I'll probably try and get the SANDISK 16G but I might even wait to see if Microcenter comes out with their own 16G which generally is cheaper than Sandisks.

MACkjam said:
That sounds awesome!!! I haven't seen the 16gb ones yet. How much do they go for?
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I've seen them in the range of US $75-100. I paid $98 for mine -- they were the only US supplier I could find that had them in stock.

Which SD Card? Largest and Fastest?

I have searched the forum and there are many threads about cards that dont work or have problems. We should have a sticky where members of the forum can post cards that work well, the capacity and make.
For example I recently bought a PNY 2GB SD card which works fine and seems to have good data transfer speed but I read that some people have had success with cards up to 8GB? is this true.

arcnet said:
For example I recently bought a PNY 2GB SD card which works fine and seems to have good data transfer speed but I read that some people have had success with cards up to 8GB? is this true.
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*EDIT*
The BA can not read SHDC cards at this time (there isn't a driver available for the card reader, if it's even capable of doing so), so 4 gig is the limit.

jdc said:
Yes it's true.
If you have WM6 and the SHDC driver installed (just about any cooked WM6 and 6.1 ROM has it), the hermes can use an SDHC card without issues. The SDHC standard has a maximum size of 32 gig.
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At this point of time, there is no working solution for the 2s / BA to read SDHC
The largest in size and the fastest SD card to use is the Transcend 4GB 150x

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At this point of time, there is no working solution for the 2s / BA to read SDHC
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For some reason, I was thinking of the hermes, not the BA when I originally posted this. It has been corrected.
mAzTT said:
The largest in size and the fastest SD card to use is the Transcend 4GB 150x
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TopRAM also make a 4 gig card that works. My only problems with the card are:
The case started to split after removing the card a few too many times. A bit of 'magic' tape took care of that.
Leaving it as one big file system made reading the card in the file explorer a bit on the slow side. I received better read/write speeds by partitioning the card into a pair of two gig 'cards'.