Database Develop

Which ROM recomend to my cingular 8125

Hi folks
Actually I have a cingular 8125 CID & SIM unlocked, it work with lokiwiz. I would like to know wich ROM update do you recomend me to put inside it and the procedure to do that. I´m a completly neebie.
My Wizard says
ROM version 1.8.11.1 WWE
ROM date 11/24/05
Radio Version 01.16.11
Protocol version 4.0.13.21
ExtROM 1.8.11.103
Flash chip type : M-Systems G3
Model No.: WIZA100
Thanks a lot
:shock:

jefferson_paredes said:
Hi folks
Actually I have a cingular 8125 CID & SIM unlocked, it work with lokiwiz. I would like to know wich ROM update do you recomend me to put inside it and the procedure to do that. I´m a completly neebie.
My Wizard says
ROM version 1.8.11.1 WWE
ROM date 11/24/05
Radio Version 01.16.11
Protocol version 4.0.13.21
ExtROM 1.8.11.103
Flash chip type : M-Systems G3
Model No.: WIZA100
Thanks a lot
:shock:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I recommend you stay with the stock rom. You don't want to take the time to read, you don't want to take the time to learn, and I quote:
jefferson_paredes said:
I´m a completly neebie.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

Thanks for the useless response.
Actually Im reading a lot of stuff about the AKU 2.3, learning about the experience about of version 2.17. but I think someone can give your opinion or advice about the diferent versions.
Thanks again for nothing.

jefferson_paredes said:
Thanks for the useless response.
Actually Im reading a lot of stuff about the AKU 2.3, learning about the experience about of version 2.17. but I think someone can give your opinion or advice about the diferent versions.
Thanks again for nothing.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This forum is not for the faint of heart. It is halfway expected that you experiment and read up on other's experiences before asking for help. Most folks here did precisely that and have learned from experience and mistakes, that is why you'll receive that kind of response.
My recommendation to you is to start with the newly released ROM from Cingular and after you get your feet wet, you can move on to bigger and bolder moves. I used to have a "cooked" ROM but I have since moved onto the new stock rom without the extended rom and it has served me well.

jlczl said:
My recommendation to you is to start with the newly released ROM from Cingular and after you get your feet wet, you can move on to bigger and bolder moves. I used to have a "cooked" ROM but I have since moved onto the new stock rom without the extended rom and it has served me well.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is helpful
Thanks

I also had the original ROM. I upgraded to 2.17 first and then to 2.25 original ROM from Cingular. I have heard that some folks had problems downgrading so I have only gone up. Eventually summiter will have a modified version that covers new stuff.
I now have push email that I think is great. Go sign up on www.mail2web.com for mail2web live. And go to your email provider and forward but do not delete from the server you email to your mail2web.com exchange server. Then set up ActiveSync to the mail2web server settings. It is great. The email shows up on your phone sometimes before it shows up on your Outlook.

jefferson_paredes said:
Thanks for the useless response.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Garbage in, garbage out. Sticks and stones mate.
Posting what you did, I gave you exactly what you should have expected. I'm not going to tell you to go ahead, void your warranty, and you some how brick your device by flashing it wrong or using the wrong rom, Summiter's projects or not.
I'm merely stating that with the lack of information you provided, and the type of post you made (which as been done many times), you should have thought a little harder about what you're getting into.
I personally don't want to be responsible for you flashing your device, and neither does the author of the custom rom you may choose. My statement of "stick with the stock rom" also applies to recommended STOCK upgrades, such as the one found here:
http://www.htcamerica.net/support/software_downloads_8125.htm
I still don't recommend you electing to flash a custom rom until you are more confident about the possibility of dumping $700 worth of phone as a paper weight. There is always the chance you will brick your device. If you do it with a stock rom, then the provider's warranty kicks in and they have to take the dive, not you or your pocket book.
So dear sir, for the lame attempt at shoving my post right back in my face, it was actually quite helpful if you bothered, once again, to read, read, and read some more. I'm not doing this to flame you, I'm not doing this to be a tard or a ****... but I am taking the voice of many users here who heed caution to you, because using a customized rom is a serious matter, and should be taken into consideration when a $700 device may be bricked.
Just trying to cautiously make you aware of the circumstances. My recommendation: stick with stock - upgrades are a part of stock roms and don't void your warranty (as long as they don't investigate the SuperCID unlocking you did, you're all gravy).
Cheers! and best of luck on your ROM hunt.

Once again, another seasoned poster on this board comes across as a total A-hole to someone brand new here,
Maybe in your circles this is the way you and your buddies interact. And for some who have been here a while they may learn to understand your inflections.
But YOU should realize that this new poster needs to get oriented to this board and HELP point him in the right direction. THAT is YOUR responsibility as an old timer here. And yes you WERE flaming him on the initial response.
As Charles Barkley said " I ain't no role model" well get used to it. YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL as well as everyone else here who knows the ins and outs. And your

jschaff said:
Once again, another seasoned poster on this board comes across as a total A-hole to someone brand new here,
Maybe in your circles this is the way you and your buddies interact. And for some who have been here a while they may learn to understand your inflections.
But YOU should realize that this new poster needs to get oriented to this board and HELP point him in the right direction. THAT is YOUR responsibility as an old timer here. And yes you WERE flaming him on the initial response.
As Charles Barkley said " I ain't no role model" well get used to it. YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL as well as everyone else here who knows the ins and outs. And your
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree 100% with your post. the post made by mengesb was useless and unnecessary.

We have no responsibilities here to instruct you ...
If you don't take the time to research, then that's your decision. If you don't like a response, that's your call.
We try to help all who show a desire to learn. Be careful of who you offend when you ***** about an "Old Timer" that's responding to a Posting that has very little information regarding the knowledge of the Poster.
Me personally, I'm tired of *****ing.. I'm tired of folks like you. I get annoyed at responding to the same questions because no one can read back a few posts.
If we displease you... maybe look for help somewhere else.
I'm noticing that fewer and fewer of the "old timer's" are responding... wonder why?
Steven
chow

To answer the question, the best rom IMHO currently is Summiter's multi-installer AKU2.3 package. He's fixed many of the initial gotcha's and the result is the best radio/AKU combination for the 8125. The only issue is a pesky Times New Roman font that occasionally crops up.
Once SIM & CID unlocked, you'll have no pblms installing this one with your v3 chipset.

Dr Puttingham said:
We have no responsibilities here to instruct you ...
If you don't take the time to research, then that's your decision. If you don't like a response, that's your call.
We try to help all who show a desire to learn.
Me personally, I'm tired of *****ing.. I'm tired of folks like you. I get annoyed at responding to the same questions because no one can read back a few posts.
I'm noticing that fewer and fewer of the "old timer's" are responding... wonder why?
Steven
chow
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can understand where you're coming from. I'm pretty "new" to these forums, as well -- actually, though . . . NOT!! I "lurked" for a LONG time before I ever started posting and read every thread I could find about upgrading, tweaking, hacking, etc., etc.
I'm coming from a Carrier's customer forum where I feel about THAT forum the same way the "old-timers" here feel about noobs posting questions. It seems like every 4 - 6 weeks, there's an influx of noobs, and they all keep asking the same questions over and over again, without taking the time to use the site's search feature, and we "old-timers" get tired of answering the same questions over and over again, and get extremely frustrated that posters WON'T take the time to do a search and read and apply before posting. AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!! I mean, the answers to 75% of the questions that are asked are right in the User's Manual, for Pete's Sake!!
So, I'm now spending more of my time here reading, researching, applying and THEN asking, if need be. Much more productive information over here, anyway. So, I can see BOTH SIDES of this coin -- both as a relative noob here and as a seasoned veteran of the other forum.
Personally, though, the main reason I don't post more often than I do is that I feel pretty much intimidated with all of the knowledge and the members WITH that knowledge on this forum. But, I will also be quick to say that when I had a problem with a tweak, or a hack that I couldn't seem to overcome, there have been those who have bent over backwards for me to help when I would PM them about it, and THAT was very much appreciated. The ones who have gone that "extra mile" have never in any way made me feel inferior to them when it comes to developmental issues I've inquired about.
From lurking around on here, I've turned into a virtual SPONGE, trying to soak it all in and learn all there is to learn. . . so, bear with me if I should happen to be the one asking a question -- ok??

Lurking is good. The best way to learn here is by lurking and reading, and not just reading selected postings for a day or two. So many questions have already been asked and just need to be found. These forums move quickly and sometimes one needs to go back a few pages to find something and the search COULD be better, but that's the way it is.
I was referring to those that call mengesb names, etc because he didn't give them the answer that they wanted. Actually I thought that he put more time and understanding into answering the OP than I might have, given the information presented. And no, he didn't flame the author.
And I, for one, might not go all out to help someone that responds in such a manner should they need assistance in the future. I mean, who wants to offer advise and risk being called an A-Hole? Not me, that's for sure!
That's just my opinion.
Steven

As someone relatively new to this forum, I've tried to take the same tack as newbie2 and lurk as much as I can. However, even the most comprehensive community cannot answer any and all questions that someone may have. The key here is to be able to differentiate between valid questions asked by someone who's new, and idiotic questions asked by someone who doesn't care to do some research.
That being said, even with about a week’s worth of research I have yet to find a definitive answer as to which custom ROM is the best, and, because we are a community of volunteers, a lot of documentation that would exist for a commercial product is missing. Now that's to be expected, and I don't fault the ROM developer for building what is essentially, something for him, that he shares with the community. However, given that this documentation either doesn't exist or is distinctly lacking, I think the community that the ROM is shared with could be a bit more forthcoming with information, either by making it available in a wiki or in these forums. Keyword searching to try to find the best extended ROM gives a whole bunch of people asking which one is best, as well as the two or three large threads with either summiter's ROM or MrClean's.
Now I know that experimenting can be the best way to find out the information that I seek, but when it's possible to brick a $400 piece of electronics simply by experimenting, one has to be as prudent and careful as possible. That's a frightening proposition and it puts a lot of newbies in a difficult position.
So to conclude this rather verbose post, the best thing that can be done is for the older and more experienced posters to simply respond with a bit of information about the topic being asked, and then if there is a more specific question, to explain to the poster that they can search for this info. This gives newer people that do search and do research the benefit of information shared from more experienced posters without hopefully clogging up the forum with tons of the same question.

Words of caution - and some help
By far, as many of the thread lurkers here can say, the roms submitted by Summiter are probably the better quality roms. But, in light of things, you have a few options:
Mr. Clean ROMs
Summiter's ROMs
Mobiz ROMs
these are the three that I've seen around these parts. Mr. Clean roms are a derrivitive of Summiter's projects, which basically clean out the carrier customization. If you don't like carrier customizations, then this rom would be the best for you.
For those of us who like to use carrier customizations, we usually elect to use Summiter's roms. They typically are very stable, fast, and come already with the generally pre-defined or commonly desired hacks located in the wiki.
As for the Mobiz ROMs, I cannot say one thing or another. I've only recently seen talk about them in the past month or so, and I'm not going to speak of a product I don't have personal experience from.
I don't want to come off complete as a jack ass, but you also do understand where I'm coming from - if my recommendation nukes your device, who's the first person you're going to flame? Me or the Author of that ROM. I've been experimenting with my own ROM customizations myself, and let me tell you, even I haven't dared flash one of my own creations because numerous people here have nuked their devices doing that very thing! I... for now... like many other people await for a seasoned ROM cooking professional to work on those waffles until the ROM feels right - Summiter.
What I will always recommend a new comer is to stick with a stock rom, and do as many minor adjustments to their device as possible just to simply make it faster. If Summiter would post is SummSumm.cab file, that would be perfect for you honestly! You wouldn't void your warranty, and that cab has a lot of good registry hacks to make your device nice and speedy.
When you're ready, and know the concequences, there will be people here to help you attempt to save your device if it does get in trouble. Here's a quick note in that event:
If for some reason your flash fails, or gets interrupted (either by you unplugging the USB cable because you think its hanging; or the dreaded BSOD - blue screen of death), when your device reboots, hold down the camera key. This should load you into the bootloader if its not completely nuked. If you get a tri-color (RGB) screen with/without some white and a 'USB' marking above the left soft key, then you're still good. Resume the updater and don't interupt it.
I'm sure this is a more polite way of giving you the information you seek - and helps you to being well on your way to the club of warranty voided 8125's like many of us here pay our memberships to. I always want to have the voice of this, "Flashing your device can brick your $400-650 investiment - you have been warned."
I'd also recommend searching posts made by the following: machinagod, summiter, Dr Puttingham, and kyphur.

The warranty warning is a valid issue. And the latest ROM release by Cingular is an OK ROM. In your position I'd probably upgrade to that official version and install one of the various reg tweaks cabs available here. I've been using Molski's speed tweaks contribution and notice a marked improvement when using any of the ROMs'.
I personally go back and forth between sumitter's latest, the PDA Mobiz (cuz I like some of the add-ins) and a test ROM that faria made special for me.
If you decide to chance your warranty that's your decision. Actually very few folks that have painstaking followed the procedure have bricked their phones but there's always that chance. I made a conscious decision at the beginning of the year when I got my Wizard that .. first, I had to have direct push and second, if I DID brick my phone I'd consider it a $300 paperweight and blame no one but myself.
I've flashed my phone at least a dozen times I'm sure, in addition to maybe 10 or so of my clients. Luckily I've never bricked a phone yet but a lot of that isn't luck. If you go this route and decide to use an unofficial ROM you must CID and SIM unlock. There are those that say different but sumitter, faria and other custom ROM builders say "do", up to you.
Anything we can help you with, ask.
Steven
chow

I have a TMo MDA and am a six-week-old noob, but learning fast, having spent probably 1000 hours reading posts from here and HoFo. I've decided to keep the stock ROM, at least for the time being, for the reasons cited in previous replies here. Also, in almost every case with the custom ROM's there is a minority that have problems, either small or big, and that has led me away from the adventure of ROM burning. Plus, my stock ROM works fine for me and I'm only having one problem that may be solved by now. It has no major quirks, has enough memory remaining, and rarely crashes.
What bothers me about the custom ROM's is the undercetainty of some of the steps. Do I need Lokowiz and if so which version? Some say you must use the older 2a under some circumstances. With at least one ROM upgrade you can upgrade if you have ROM "X," but if you have "Y" you must downgrade to "Z" first and then upgrade. I entertained the possibility of just doing a hard-reset, then omit the TMo extended ROM, but nowhere could I find info on what I'm missing by eliminating it. Will the phone function at 100% without it? Can I selectively run the CAB's, and if so who makes a list of what is in each CAB? Too many questions for which I see no answers, or foggy ones. Someone needs to write a comprehensive FAQ on these topics.
I did do the slit-antenna mod, which did help a bit, and that was only one day into my MDA ownership. That was a big jump and didn't seem like a risky move like the fingers-crossed, heart-pumping, adrenaline rush of flashing your ROM. I also have installed apps and tweaks that have made the MDA a pleasant experience so far.
My advice would be to play with your new phone for a while and ask yourself, "Am I happy with the way this works," then read about other ROMs available and ask yourself another question: "Will this help enhance my PDA-phone experience in any meaningful way, or do I just like the rush of playing in the street?" Then decide if the improvements, if any, are worth the risks. So far for me they are not...but who knows what will happen tomorrow.

I feel like a commercial here, but I think for newbies (as me) the mobiz ROM has a the usefull stuff, it has all tweaks, programs etc.
I still like it and keep on using it.

Hard-SPL - Or How to (SIM)Unlock & Protect Your Device

[size=+2]Cheetah Hard-SPL and SIM Unlocker is now released![/size]
Ignore any images for Hermes please... this all works for your device; if you ask once whether it's going to work properly, I will find you and kill you...r dog.
YOU MUST HAVE .net framework 2.0 INSTALLED
to download, [size=+1]Click Here[/size]
If you are already SIM unlocked, then just run step 1, the other two are essentially optional for you.
[size=+1]Please report success or failure on this thread[/size]
SPL version displays 1.40.OliNex.
Current Features:
Code:
[b]CURRENT FEATURES[/b]
-SuperCID (no CID checks anyway)
-no Code Signing
-SPL protected
-IPL protected
-Password for commands not required
-Accepts any Password
-Run 'task 2a' via mtty to fix bad blocks
-Rtask also in SPL
-ModelID ignored
[b]Changelog[/b]
[b]Hard-SPL-1.40[/b]
-Initial Release

Hi Oli - thanks for pointing your skills at us Cheetah owners. Pof and I exchanged quite a bit of dialogue on this not too long ago, but he's been super busy focusing on Hermes work.
I'll volunteer - would you have some time on Friday evening? You're in the U.K. yes? If you shoot me a PM we can find a time that works well for both of us. Alternatively I can give whatever code and process you have a go and send you the results.
I've already got a cooked ROM set aside for testing once the whole signing thing is knocked out. =)
--Summiter
Olipro said:
OK, here's what I have, and what I need
last night, I was given the WM6 leaked NBH; good news for you chaps is that it contains an SPL.
second bit of good news is that I've patched it with no problems.
the bad news is that obviously I don't own a Cheetah, so I need someone who does to setup VNC on their computer so I can VNC in and try and get the SPL to run on their device.
the chances of bricking your device in the process of getting the SPL to soft-load is pretty much 0%.
so... any takers? please?
P.S: on further investigation, I'd also like to point out that if we can get Hard-SPL working on it, sim-unlocking (if necessary for some devices?) should then be achieveable
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

I can't wait!
I'd really like a cooked rom for my 750.

Cooked Rom
I can smell it already.

yeah, but nobody's offered to help... still

How do I help?

Damn, thats good news. Can't wait to see the first customized rom.
But wat is the status so far, is there someone already working on it ?. If nessecary i'll share my connection to make this a success.

Sorry Oli - was offline until today due to squirrels. You know, the little brown critters that eat nuts and nibble on coax... That was my ISPs excuse anyway.
I sent you a PM with my MSN ID. I'm set up with terminal access into the bootloader and whatnot, and have a cooked ROM which I *think* I've built with the proper parts in all the correct places.
--Kevin
Olipro said:
yeah, but nobody's offered to help... still
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

OK Guys; major breakthrough... even though the person who kindly was helping went offline.
if anyone would like to get in touch, having a Hard-SPL up and running on these devices is going to be no sweat.
I'd also like to mention that from there, it'll be plain sailing to SIM Unlocking too.
Cheers guys!
Olipro & Cmonex

Thanks
Thanks Olipro,
That pretty much wraps up the only downside about moving from the Vario II to the 750!
Now if only someone can figure out a way to program on on/off button that doesn't keep going back to the Today screen......

Yeah... but... need a tester.
it's harmless, I swear.

Olipro said:
Yeah... but... need a tester.
it's harmless, I swear.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'd happily be your guinea pig. My 750v is already unlocked though.

Ill do it, tell me what needs to be done.

Olipro said:
Yeah... but... need a tester.
it's harmless, I swear.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What do you need done?

ok, SSPL works fine.
SIM unlocking next, watch this space

Olipro said:
ok, SSPL works fine.
SIM unlocking next, watch this space
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wow, cool, cooked ROMs here we come...

alright, Hard-SPL also loads nicely.
just getting SIM unlocking sorted now.

Olipro said:
just getting SIM unlocking sorted now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Good work *****

Ill still help if needed...

me too.
whose gonna cook us some roms?

Proper video drivers and unlocker Project

cmonex and olipro have offered up to get the proper video drivers and a sim unlocker done for the kaiser. they though have asked u guys the community to get them a kaiser they could use to do the development of the drivers and unlocker. cmonex has previous experience in doing driver hacking so she would find a way to hack the current video drivers to be used more efficiently and to use the full power of the kaiser. olipro u guys all know from the hermes forums for his unlocked and hardspl but this time around the new securities require he have a device to be able to unlock it. if they wont succedd in any of these 2 then they will give back the kaiser.

Pawel062 said:
cmonex and olipro have offered up to get the proper video drivers and a sim unlocker done for the kaiser. they though have asked u guys the community to get them a kaiser they could use to do the development of the drivers and unlocker. cmonex has previous experience in doing driver hacking so she would find a way to hack the current video drivers to be used more efficiently and to use the full power of the kaiser. olipro u guys all know from the hermes forums for his unlocked and hardspl but this time around the new securities require he have a device to be able to unlock it. if they wont succedd in any of these 2 then they will give back the kaiser.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Cool idea - will you repost your q to the "official" (sticky) bounty thread, or, should I (at least temporarily) stick this thread? We could also include this post in the firts post in the Bounty thread.

Menneisyys said:
Cool idea - will you repost your q to the "official" (sticky) bounty thread, or, should I (at least temporarily) stick this thread? We could also include this post in the firts post in the Bounty thread.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i would repost it but idk if it isnt off topic bc that was for how much people are willing to chip into the bounty. u can add to first post of bounty thread though. cmonex who would be lead developer of the video driver said it should be just a mod to existing video drivers after looking at what core people are saying. she says shes willing to do it just needs a kaiser and the bounty would be nice after shes done bc it will take some time and she is a student too.

SIM unlocker? Who needs that? I just called AT&T and they gave me my unlock code withing 5 minutes.

Shadow7789 said:
SIM unlocker? Who needs that? I just called AT&T and they gave me my unlock code withing 5 minutes.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I would guesstimate that Tilt users account for less than half of the users in this forum. There are more world-wide users here using the MDA Vario III and the TyTN II and I am quite sure they would love to have an unlocked phone.

Actually I would say tilt users are the majority

Who cares about the sim locker. You guys don't have to argue about that so much, the more important thing here is the drivers.

i'm a firm believer that collaboration > competition.
maybe cmonex could get in touch with Chainfire ?

draxredd said:
i'm a firm believer that collaboration > competition.
maybe cmonex could get in touch with Chainfire ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
she doesnt want to compete and is open to collaboration but needs a device to be able to do anything. she has extensive dll modding skills so it shouldn't be too hard of a job for her.

Pawel062 said:
u can add to first post of bounty thread though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I temporarily make this thread sticky so thqat it gets enough attention; when there is any change, I unstick it.

draxredd said:
i'm a firm believer that collaboration > competition.
maybe cmonex could get in touch with Chainfire ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well actually I already was working with cmonex before my vacation started ...

Loaner?...Anyone?
but needs a device to be able to do anything.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Perhaps a user with more than one device (I have seen many of them post, I would volunteer if I had more than 1) would be willing to loan the extraneous unit out?
Just a thought...

Probably be quicker to just buy a TILT locally and return it within the 30 day grace period.

Jim_R said:
Probably be quicker to just buy a TILT locally and return it within the 30 day grace period.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the problem is cmonex and olipro are in the UK.

Hey, many of us pledged towards the driver project, I say let's show some faith and donate to Oli enough to get a Test unit.
I'm in for $25

HTML:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>
<assembly xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v1" manifestVersion="1.0">
<assemblyIdentity version="1.0.0.0" processorArchitecture="X86" name="SIM Unlock" type="win32"/>
<description>Unlock</description>
<ms_asmv2:trustInfo xmlns:ms_asmv2="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v2">
<ms_asmv2:security xmlns:ms_asmv2="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v2">
<requestedPrivileges>
<requestedExecutionLevel level="requireAdministrator" uiAccess="false"/>
</requestedPrivileges>
</ms_asmv2:security>
</ms_asmv2:trustInfo>
</assembly>
i was playing with imei-check.co.uk's kaiserv1unlock.exe program. the code above is what goes into the kaiser/tilt puls some info and pastes a file with an extention .ued.
past this point i am lost on 2 counts.
one: i am not a programer that understands the code above
two: i don't know or have a program that reads file extentions ending in .ued
hopefully this might help out or not.
if not sorry i am trying but again i am not a programmer.

Chainfire said:
Well actually I already was working with cmonex before my vacation started ...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
no one noticed chainfire's post?

All that that code does is copy your imei and save it in a file with a ued extension. It's a bunch of fluff.

OK... leap of faith (fingers crossed)...
I will put give $20USD for this...
If nothing else, we will have two of the best with a Kaiser... that has to be a good thing. If this gets off the ground, just tell me where to donate.

count me in for USD 10.
kms

Rhodium HardSPL - News and Updates

First I'd like to mention that I am grateful for all the developers on XDA working on these phones. I'm no programmer but I know plenty who are in all fields so I can appreciate what you are all doing.
I just wanted to create this thread to see how close we are to getting our hands on the HardSPL for Rhodium and any updates on development.
I've had my Touch Pro 2 for about a week and half now and already bored with it. The phone itself is great, but Windows Mobile 6.1 seriously sucks.
I really want to start using Windows Mobile 6.5, which brings me to why I created this post.
If anyone can shed some light on this I'd appreciate it.
Adam

Olipro and cmonex are still searching for mobile devices with hynix memory to test some stuff.
In short, don't expect anything soon and have patience

what
how do we know if it has that memory so others can help look.

just asked permission to Olipro if it was ok if I wrote a tutorial regarding this...
Uhm...I'll open a new thread with step-by-step instructions on how to help them out
Hope it will help them. Gimme about an hour to write a detailed tutorial.
*EDIT* Tutorial is up: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4035499#post4035499

hmm this thread will be good for the usual "hardspl waititing posts".. when release comes, we (olinex) will just create the real hspl thread, so mods will not have to clean up for release (like for topaz they had to).
as to why this flash type checking is so important: on topaz the hynix ones really just got lucky by not getting their mfg partition corrupt. (no one got it corrupt but as i said that was luck) i want to avoid any such problems on rhodium.

cmonex said:
hmm this thread will be good for the usual "hardspl waititing posts".. when release comes, we (olinex) will just create the real hspl thread, so mods will not have to clean up for release (like for topaz they had to).
as to why this flash type checking is so important: on topaz the hynix ones really just got lucky by not getting their mfg partition corrupt. (no one got it corrupt but as i said that was luck) i want to avoid any such problems on rhodium.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
?
Does this mean there is a feasible solution for Samsung based units ?
I am surprised that it makes a difference based on the fact HTC wont have made a separate spl for hynix based units. and rom upgrades will contain the same info...
can hard spl for samsungs be realeased with a link to the tutorial on how to ensure you have samsung?
darides tutorial suggests most people seem to have samsung anyway.
infact has ther been a hynix unit seen in the wild?
Cheers
Steve

rosebud said:
?
Does this mean there is a feasible solution for Samsung based units ?
I am surprised that it makes a difference based on the fact HTC wont have made a separate spl for hynix based units. and rom upgrades will contain the same info...
can hard spl for samsungs be realeased with a link to the tutorial on how to ensure you have samsung?
darides tutorial suggests most people seem to have samsung anyway.
infact has ther been a hynix unit seen in the wild?
Cheers
Steve
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Perhaps Olinex can make a version for samsung that checks on the sspl that the memory is samsung or not. to avoid bricks or other problems.
I have not seen or know anyone with hynix memory on their tp2 after checking about 5 different units from my friends and family they are all samsung. My vodafone one is samsung too.

it's great news for me

is it a problem if everybody have the samsung chipset ?

just letting you know no updates yet - was busy in real life

what is real life ?

thats, from where you getting the pizza... ;-)

SubData said:
thats, from where you getting the pizza... ;-)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
lol, yes.

SubData said:
thats, from where you getting the pizza... ;-)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I prefer virtual pizza! I download it, print it and won´t get fat...
greets
Alfons

Please can we have an ETA for the release of the HardSPL.
Hi Guys,
I can't put into words how much I respect and revere the information posted on your web-site and I apologise for asking the million dollar question. But I need to know.
Can we please have an ETA / timeline for the release of the HardSPL for our HTC Rhodium.
I hate my Vodafone UK branded HTC Touch Pro 2. It is red and so am I with anger. Joking aside I love HTC standard ROM's. The last one I put on my HTC Touch Pro was amazing.
Please, keep up the work....
Kind regards...
Sumeet...

SumeetKapur said:
Hi Guys,
I can't put into words how much I respect and revere the information posted on your web-site and I apologise for asking the million dollar question. But I need to know.
Can we please have an ETA / timeline for the release of the HardSPL for our HTC Rhodium.
I hate my Vodafone UK branded HTC Touch Pro 2. It is red and so am I with anger. Joking aside I love HTC standard ROM's. The last one I put on my HTC Touch Pro was amazing.
Please, keep up the work....
Kind regards...
Sumeet...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Q: How long is a piece of string?
A: Double the half of its length.

SumeetKapur said:
Hi Guys,
I can't put into words how much I respect and revere the information posted on your web-site and I apologise for asking the million dollar question. But I need to know.
Can we please have an ETA / timeline for the release of the HardSPL for our HTC Rhodium.
I hate my Vodafone UK branded HTC Touch Pro 2. It is red and so am I with anger. Joking aside I love HTC standard ROM's. The last one I put on my HTC Touch Pro was amazing.
Please, keep up the work....
Kind regards...
Sumeet...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you want to flash the HTC Shipped ROM, look out for the Goldcard methods. I'm not going into detail here because it's off topic and well documented else where. If all else fails cmonex normally helps via PM.
Ta
Dave

I can totally understand people begging for this. I nervously waiting for it to, but not to install custom ROMs. I'm waiting for it to get blackberry connect running. To achieve that I need to manipulate the device ID in the ROM itself, to fool RIM, let them think it's running on a proper device. But to flash this manipulated ROM I need HSPL (or does someone know a way to manipulate the device ID (HTC-Rhodium) in another way?).
However, asking and begging does not help or make stuff easier or getting it done faster. We all need to be brave and patient and wait a bit and let olipro and cmonex get this stuff done.
Cheers

c0rnholio said:
I can totally understand people begging for this. I nervously waiting for it to, but not to install custom ROMs. I'm waiting for it to get blackberry connect running. To achieve that I need to manipulate the device ID in the ROM itself, to fool RIM, let them think it's running on a proper device. But to flash this manipulated ROM I need HSPL (or does someone know a way to manipulate the device ID (HTC-Rhodium) in another way?).
However, asking and begging does not help or make stuff easier or getting it done faster. We all need to be brave and patient and wait a bit and let olipro and cmonex get this stuff done.
Cheers
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry to go a bit OT here but I am interested in your info about Blackberry Connect. I have just come to the TP2 from a Storm and one thing that is lagging behind with the TP2 IMO is the push email, would the 'updated' ROM you are proposing allow me to use the pushmail service from BB ?
Thanks,
Neil

c0rnholio said:
I can totally understand people begging for this. I nervously waiting for it to, but not to install custom ROMs. I'm waiting for it to get blackberry connect running. To achieve that I need to manipulate the device ID in the ROM itself, to fool RIM, let them think it's running on a proper device. But to flash this manipulated ROM I need HSPL (or does someone know a way to manipulate the device ID (HTC-Rhodium) in another way?).
However, asking and begging does not help or make stuff easier or getting it done faster. We all need to be brave and patient and wait a bit and let olipro and cmonex get this stuff done.
Cheers
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have you tried to change your AKU?
If NO you can change this:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/System/Versions/Aku
and put this:
.1.4.3

[PRJ] New Hard SPL tool

I'm starting a bounty for a new Hard SPL tool. We need one that will be free with no stipulations to the community. I don't mean to offend or provoke anyone here, but at this point we have a "donation" only SPL unlocker for a device that is aging rapidly.The majority of people with problems are posting in that thread about having to pay on their first unlock. Contacting the support website there is kind of hit and miss.
I appreciate everything that cmonex and olipro have done for this community. I hold no grudge against them for this. I know that life gets in the way. However, there were ways to prevent the problems. They could have recruited someone to fill in for them who would actually be in this thread as well as over on the htc-unlocks website who could provide support to the folks who use this software.
The Touch Pro2 is over a year old and is showing its age. We shouldn't be paying to unlock such an old device anymore. Even carriers are phasing out the device. It would be of more benefit to the community as a whole to have an unlocker that is free from any limitations to unlock, free to use with no stipulations, and free from cloud based personal information storing.
I donated $10 when I first got my TP2 in the mail and unlocked it. I wasn't required to do by the software, but I did because this is where it all begins in regards to flashing literally ANYTHING on our devices. I respect their work, but forcing users to pay and then not helping with the problems is not acceptable by me.
With that being said, I'm proposing a collaboration of folks from this forum to come up with a new Hard SPL, or, at the very least, work around the "donation" system of the former tool.
I, myself, am not as skilled in scripting as most users on here, so I'm posting this as a request for assistance. Think of this as a virtual drawing board for you guys to help with.
I'm attaching all the info I can find to the first few posts here so we can get the ball rolling. I am really hoping to attract a few people who know how to code programs. I would also hope to get the attention of someone who has the older version of the software that did not connect to the Internet to provide an unlock.
Additional Links and sources:
The bounty could also be given to anyone who could make a RUU that will flash custom ROMs. There is a thread in the HD2 forum HERE about it.
There is a thread HERE for the Wizard that seems to let you extract the SPL from the device. If we could extract the current Hard SPL from the devices, then we would also have ourselves a free version.
I think there would be more motivation if there was a bounty on this. I'll put up $10 to start us off. This way it will be actual donations. If cmonex or olipro make there unlockers free, then what say we just give them the bounty, eh? That way this is completely fair. Either someone else makes a Hard SPL unlocker and they get the cash, or cmonex and olipro get one last lump payment for the community to benefit from.
Bounty donators:
cajunflavoredbob - $10
JVH3 - $10
F2504x4 - $10
DJ_MiX -$15
grifter024 - $10
overtheair - $10
Running Total - $65
Users we've PM'd for assistance so far:
dotcompt, Jackos, NRGZ28, seeM_ZA, Sergio76, bepe

Pledge of $10 toward the bounty
I am pledging $10 toward the bounty.
Real hope for me is that OliPro and cmonex just make it free and get rid of the donation as a requirement to use it.
[EDIT] Adding one caveat to my pledge. Work must be completed prior to December 31st, 2011. That gives over 1 year. Considering that HardSPL is normally available pretty fast after a phone is released, this should not be a problem.

Here is My Pledge of $10 as well..

It seems that some phones can be flased with out Hard-SPL
This will not currently work on the Tilt but maybe give us another direction to explore
HTC Leo: HD2 > HD2 ROM Development
[SSPL] HowTo flash cooked ROM without HSPL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=606713

JVH3 said:
I am pledging $10 toward the bounty.
Real hope for me is that OliPro and cmonex just make it free and get rid of the donation as a requirement to use it.
[EDIT] Adding one caveat to my pledge. Work must be completed prior to December 31st, 2011. That gives over 1 year. Considering that HardSPL is normally available pretty fast after a phone is released, this should not be a problem.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
F2504x4 said:
It seems that some phones can be flased with out Hard-SPL
This will not currently work on the Tilt but maybe give us another direction to explore
HTC Leo: HD2 > HD2 ROM Development
[SSPL] HowTo flash cooked ROM without HSPL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=606713
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Added your pledges to the first post. Added the link about the SSPL RUU to the first post as well. I agree that I wish cnomex and olipro just make it free now, but if not, hopefully we can spur others into looking into this. If they remove the payment system from theirs, then the bounty belongs to them, however. I'm just trying to keep it fair for the developers AND the users.

I pledge a $15 bounty for HardSPL CDMA
&
$30 for CDMA sim Unlocker

Documentation on how to create a HardSPL
I think it would also be great if whoever does this, provides some clear instructions on how it was done.
Or the source code to generate it.
That way, it can be used as a base for HardSPL for future devices.
Not sure if we want to make that a requirement of the bounty or not.

JVH3 said:
I think it would also be great if whoever does this, provides some clear instructions on how it was done.
Or the source code to generate it.
That way, it can be used as a base for HardSPL for future devices.
Not sure if we want to make that a requirement of the bounty or not.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It would really depend on how much it would be of use to WP7 devices as this is the only one I've seen that has a payment system, and there aren't anymore WM6.5 devices coming out. I don't know enough about the SPLs to be able to make that call, but I would hope that if a new one is created, the source would be provided. I'm more interested in resolving the never-ending struggle of lack of support on the paid model. If they would simply do away with the paid Hard SPL system, there would be no problems in that thread other than users who forget to disable antivirus software...
The bottom line is that we just wanted support for the paid software we were using. Since that isn't happening, we're driven to this front. We now want it to be open to the community with no reservations.
EDIT: Vote this to the front page for more attention to the matter. The link to vote is on the right side of the header above post #1. Anyone viewing this should help spread the word. Pass the message along to any other active threads that you're involved in. We need to get this as much attention as possible to either get some assistance in its development or have cmonex and olipro release a true free version.

Thinking this link might be helpful:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279804
Although it is not for this device, I think some concepts might be similar.
I think it may let us extract HardSPL from our phone.
Then, reapply it without a need to use anything else.
Once we have that, it becomes free.

hi sorry if i interrupt this, but, you dont have to make a donation in order to get a hard-spl. you just have to get a ticket, and soon or later, they will enable you to do that, and im talking of this because that recently happen( the only thing that its painful its the wait time... almost 1month in order to get it, but i get it!)

JVH3 said:
Thinking this link might be helpful:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279804
Although it is not for this device, I think some concepts might be similar.
I think it may let us extract HardSPL from our phone.
Then, reapply it without a need to use anything else.
Once we have that, it becomes free.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Added to first post. Good info. Too bad the thread didn't last longer.
jeanmichel6 said:
hi sorry if i interrupt this, but, you dont have to make a donation in order to get a hard-spl. you just have to get a ticket, and soon or later, they will enable you to do that, and im talking of this because that recently happen( the only thing that its painful its the wait time... almost 1month in order to get it, but i get it!)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Opening tickets has been hit and miss for most people having problems. Users are being forced into purchasing the tool because of a lack of support from the creators. No one is upset that they created the tool, just at the lack of support on it. You said yourself that you had to wait a month to get a response. Why not just open the application up for anyone to use as it is on nearly every other device in this forum? The Rhodium is aging quickly. There are fewer and fewer new users with this device. For them to still be charging for it is kind of ridiculous now. That's the purpose of this thread is to encourage collaboration of the users here into developing a truly free version with no hiccups or workarounds needed to eliminate the need for an entire thread dedicated to support questions where the answer is likely to be, "donate 4GBP and it'll work."

Same issue here with getting new phone back from warranty. Already "donated" 4x's for my family's phones. Started a ticket explaining the warranty/new phone situation and now has been 3 weeks with no response. Stock ROM on the phone kept freezing several times a day and phone was pretty useless. Could not wait any longer so "donated" again, restarted hardsplash process again and it let me right through and unlocked phone.
Pretty rude not to respond to "customers" and bad for business. At least put on their website clearly stated that 'you must pay to unlock your phone each time!'

Once someone says they have started development on a new FREE hardspl I will donate 10$....
I would also hope that the mods delete the old hardspl so noone gets suckered into paying for something that should have always been free.

grifter024 said:
Once someone says they have started development on a new FREE hardspl I will donate 10$....
I would also hope that the mods delete the old hardspl so noone gets suckered into paying for something that should have always been free.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Point of a bounty is to pledge that you will donate once it is complete.
Not to donate before then.
Nothing is donated until it is completed.
But, once completed, all those that pledged to donate, make their donations to whoever completed it.
It is not enforcable, but, it is a commitment. And people remember when a pledge is made, but not paid.
Is the $10 you mentioned a pledge to donate when it is completed or made free to all?

You act like I wont donate the money IF it comes out....it would be a suprise if someone made a new hardspl for an old phone but it would make me happy since I usually keep my phone for a long time...
I had my shadow/juno all the way up until I think 08....then the screen started going white and I didnt feel like taking it apart just to fix it but it was a good phone.
I dont usually make it a point to check the site every day but I come back from time to time when I feel like it's time to mess with my phone some more. I will probably check back in Dec and if I am late to throw my money into the pot once its completed I say sorry now so as not to make tensions flare.
Hell I would drop another 10 IF the new hardspl comes out and the mods DELETE NOT lock the other hardspl from cmo/oli.

You guys are more than welcome to donate on your own terms, but I'm just going to keep a running total of all donations offered in the first post. The conditions I originally posted for collecting the bounty were someone making a new HSPL tool, modding the original one to be standalone, or olipro/cmonex making the original one free. If someone clears one of those three conditions, I think they should get the bounty. If anyone has any objection to that, or something to add, let me know.
EDIT: Make sure you guys are doing some PR work to get this thing out there, please. Feel free to add this thread to your sig, or comment about it in other threads (albeit subtly). Most of us who are pledging donations so far are have already got our devices HSPL'd. This is for the benefit of the community as a whole. While not as many are doing so, there are still new users popping up everyday with new TP2's in their hands asking for help. We're doing this for them.

jeanmichel6 said:
hi sorry if i interrupt this, but, you dont have to make a donation in order to get a hard-spl. you just have to get a ticket, and soon or later, they will enable you to do that, and im talking of this because that recently happen( the only thing that its painful its the wait time... almost 1month in order to get it, but i get it!)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That is not correct. I have an outstanding ticket for over 5 months. No reply.

cajunflavoredbob said:
That's the purpose of this thread is to encourage collaboration of the users here into developing a truly free version with no hiccups or workarounds needed to eliminate the need for an entire thread dedicated to support questions where the answer is likely to be, "donate 4GBP and it'll work."
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've paid/donated 4GBP six times in the last couple of months as I've been unlocking TP2s for friends. Yesterday for the first time, the Hard SPL tool failed to work after submitting the payment. I contacted the support email address and attached my PayPal payment receipt ... but of course no response.
Add my $10 pledge to the bounty pool.

cajunflavoredbob said:
...
EDIT: Make sure you guys are doing some PR work to get this thing out there, please. Feel free to add this thread to your sig, or comment about it in other threads (albeit subtly). Most of us who are pledging donations so far are have already got our devices HSPL'd. This is for the benefit of the community as a whole. While not as many are doing so, there are still new users popping up everyday with new TP2's in their hands asking for help. We're doing this for them.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I tried to retweet your tweet last night, but it was too long once RT and @CFB_XDA was added to the tweet. I was at a stop light at the time and did not try further once I was driving.

JVH3 said:
I tried to retweet your tweet last night, but it was too long once RT and @CFB_XDA was added to the tweet. I was at a stop light at the time and did not try further once I was driving.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yea, please don't get into a wreck. lol I wonder if we could get some chefs to support this?