I'm starting a bounty for a new Hard SPL tool. We need one that will be free with no stipulations to the community. I don't mean to offend or provoke anyone here, but at this point we have a "donation" only SPL unlocker for a device that is aging rapidly.The majority of people with problems are posting in that thread about having to pay on their first unlock. Contacting the support website there is kind of hit and miss.
I appreciate everything that cmonex and olipro have done for this community. I hold no grudge against them for this. I know that life gets in the way. However, there were ways to prevent the problems. They could have recruited someone to fill in for them who would actually be in this thread as well as over on the htc-unlocks website who could provide support to the folks who use this software.
The Touch Pro2 is over a year old and is showing its age. We shouldn't be paying to unlock such an old device anymore. Even carriers are phasing out the device. It would be of more benefit to the community as a whole to have an unlocker that is free from any limitations to unlock, free to use with no stipulations, and free from cloud based personal information storing.
I donated $10 when I first got my TP2 in the mail and unlocked it. I wasn't required to do by the software, but I did because this is where it all begins in regards to flashing literally ANYTHING on our devices. I respect their work, but forcing users to pay and then not helping with the problems is not acceptable by me.
With that being said, I'm proposing a collaboration of folks from this forum to come up with a new Hard SPL, or, at the very least, work around the "donation" system of the former tool.
I, myself, am not as skilled in scripting as most users on here, so I'm posting this as a request for assistance. Think of this as a virtual drawing board for you guys to help with.
I'm attaching all the info I can find to the first few posts here so we can get the ball rolling. I am really hoping to attract a few people who know how to code programs. I would also hope to get the attention of someone who has the older version of the software that did not connect to the Internet to provide an unlock.
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The bounty could also be given to anyone who could make a RUU that will flash custom ROMs. There is a thread in the HD2 forum HERE about it.
There is a thread HERE for the Wizard that seems to let you extract the SPL from the device. If we could extract the current Hard SPL from the devices, then we would also have ourselves a free version.
I think there would be more motivation if there was a bounty on this. I'll put up $10 to start us off. This way it will be actual donations. If cmonex or olipro make there unlockers free, then what say we just give them the bounty, eh? That way this is completely fair. Either someone else makes a Hard SPL unlocker and they get the cash, or cmonex and olipro get one last lump payment for the community to benefit from.
Bounty donators:
cajunflavoredbob - $10
JVH3 - $10
F2504x4 - $10
DJ_MiX -$15
grifter024 - $10
overtheair - $10
Running Total - $65
Users we've PM'd for assistance so far:
dotcompt, Jackos, NRGZ28, seeM_ZA, Sergio76, bepe
Pledge of $10 toward the bounty
I am pledging $10 toward the bounty.
Real hope for me is that OliPro and cmonex just make it free and get rid of the donation as a requirement to use it.
[EDIT] Adding one caveat to my pledge. Work must be completed prior to December 31st, 2011. That gives over 1 year. Considering that HardSPL is normally available pretty fast after a phone is released, this should not be a problem.
Here is My Pledge of $10 as well..
It seems that some phones can be flased with out Hard-SPL
This will not currently work on the Tilt but maybe give us another direction to explore
HTC Leo: HD2 > HD2 ROM Development
[SSPL] HowTo flash cooked ROM without HSPL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=606713
JVH3 said:
I am pledging $10 toward the bounty.
Real hope for me is that OliPro and cmonex just make it free and get rid of the donation as a requirement to use it.
[EDIT] Adding one caveat to my pledge. Work must be completed prior to December 31st, 2011. That gives over 1 year. Considering that HardSPL is normally available pretty fast after a phone is released, this should not be a problem.
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F2504x4 said:
It seems that some phones can be flased with out Hard-SPL
This will not currently work on the Tilt but maybe give us another direction to explore
HTC Leo: HD2 > HD2 ROM Development
[SSPL] HowTo flash cooked ROM without HSPL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=606713
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Added your pledges to the first post. Added the link about the SSPL RUU to the first post as well. I agree that I wish cnomex and olipro just make it free now, but if not, hopefully we can spur others into looking into this. If they remove the payment system from theirs, then the bounty belongs to them, however. I'm just trying to keep it fair for the developers AND the users.
I pledge a $15 bounty for HardSPL CDMA
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$30 for CDMA sim Unlocker
Documentation on how to create a HardSPL
I think it would also be great if whoever does this, provides some clear instructions on how it was done.
Or the source code to generate it.
That way, it can be used as a base for HardSPL for future devices.
Not sure if we want to make that a requirement of the bounty or not.
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I think it would also be great if whoever does this, provides some clear instructions on how it was done.
Or the source code to generate it.
That way, it can be used as a base for HardSPL for future devices.
Not sure if we want to make that a requirement of the bounty or not.
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It would really depend on how much it would be of use to WP7 devices as this is the only one I've seen that has a payment system, and there aren't anymore WM6.5 devices coming out. I don't know enough about the SPLs to be able to make that call, but I would hope that if a new one is created, the source would be provided. I'm more interested in resolving the never-ending struggle of lack of support on the paid model. If they would simply do away with the paid Hard SPL system, there would be no problems in that thread other than users who forget to disable antivirus software...
The bottom line is that we just wanted support for the paid software we were using. Since that isn't happening, we're driven to this front. We now want it to be open to the community with no reservations.
EDIT: Vote this to the front page for more attention to the matter. The link to vote is on the right side of the header above post #1. Anyone viewing this should help spread the word. Pass the message along to any other active threads that you're involved in. We need to get this as much attention as possible to either get some assistance in its development or have cmonex and olipro release a true free version.
Thinking this link might be helpful:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279804
Although it is not for this device, I think some concepts might be similar.
I think it may let us extract HardSPL from our phone.
Then, reapply it without a need to use anything else.
Once we have that, it becomes free.
hi sorry if i interrupt this, but, you dont have to make a donation in order to get a hard-spl. you just have to get a ticket, and soon or later, they will enable you to do that, and im talking of this because that recently happen( the only thing that its painful its the wait time... almost 1month in order to get it, but i get it!)
JVH3 said:
Thinking this link might be helpful:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279804
Although it is not for this device, I think some concepts might be similar.
I think it may let us extract HardSPL from our phone.
Then, reapply it without a need to use anything else.
Once we have that, it becomes free.
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Added to first post. Good info. Too bad the thread didn't last longer.
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hi sorry if i interrupt this, but, you dont have to make a donation in order to get a hard-spl. you just have to get a ticket, and soon or later, they will enable you to do that, and im talking of this because that recently happen( the only thing that its painful its the wait time... almost 1month in order to get it, but i get it!)
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Opening tickets has been hit and miss for most people having problems. Users are being forced into purchasing the tool because of a lack of support from the creators. No one is upset that they created the tool, just at the lack of support on it. You said yourself that you had to wait a month to get a response. Why not just open the application up for anyone to use as it is on nearly every other device in this forum? The Rhodium is aging quickly. There are fewer and fewer new users with this device. For them to still be charging for it is kind of ridiculous now. That's the purpose of this thread is to encourage collaboration of the users here into developing a truly free version with no hiccups or workarounds needed to eliminate the need for an entire thread dedicated to support questions where the answer is likely to be, "donate 4GBP and it'll work."
Same issue here with getting new phone back from warranty. Already "donated" 4x's for my family's phones. Started a ticket explaining the warranty/new phone situation and now has been 3 weeks with no response. Stock ROM on the phone kept freezing several times a day and phone was pretty useless. Could not wait any longer so "donated" again, restarted hardsplash process again and it let me right through and unlocked phone.
Pretty rude not to respond to "customers" and bad for business. At least put on their website clearly stated that 'you must pay to unlock your phone each time!'
Once someone says they have started development on a new FREE hardspl I will donate 10$....
I would also hope that the mods delete the old hardspl so noone gets suckered into paying for something that should have always been free.
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Once someone says they have started development on a new FREE hardspl I will donate 10$....
I would also hope that the mods delete the old hardspl so noone gets suckered into paying for something that should have always been free.
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Point of a bounty is to pledge that you will donate once it is complete.
Not to donate before then.
Nothing is donated until it is completed.
But, once completed, all those that pledged to donate, make their donations to whoever completed it.
It is not enforcable, but, it is a commitment. And people remember when a pledge is made, but not paid.
Is the $10 you mentioned a pledge to donate when it is completed or made free to all?
You act like I wont donate the money IF it comes out....it would be a suprise if someone made a new hardspl for an old phone but it would make me happy since I usually keep my phone for a long time...
I had my shadow/juno all the way up until I think 08....then the screen started going white and I didnt feel like taking it apart just to fix it but it was a good phone.
I dont usually make it a point to check the site every day but I come back from time to time when I feel like it's time to mess with my phone some more. I will probably check back in Dec and if I am late to throw my money into the pot once its completed I say sorry now so as not to make tensions flare.
Hell I would drop another 10 IF the new hardspl comes out and the mods DELETE NOT lock the other hardspl from cmo/oli.
You guys are more than welcome to donate on your own terms, but I'm just going to keep a running total of all donations offered in the first post. The conditions I originally posted for collecting the bounty were someone making a new HSPL tool, modding the original one to be standalone, or olipro/cmonex making the original one free. If someone clears one of those three conditions, I think they should get the bounty. If anyone has any objection to that, or something to add, let me know.
EDIT: Make sure you guys are doing some PR work to get this thing out there, please. Feel free to add this thread to your sig, or comment about it in other threads (albeit subtly). Most of us who are pledging donations so far are have already got our devices HSPL'd. This is for the benefit of the community as a whole. While not as many are doing so, there are still new users popping up everyday with new TP2's in their hands asking for help. We're doing this for them.
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hi sorry if i interrupt this, but, you dont have to make a donation in order to get a hard-spl. you just have to get a ticket, and soon or later, they will enable you to do that, and im talking of this because that recently happen( the only thing that its painful its the wait time... almost 1month in order to get it, but i get it!)
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That is not correct. I have an outstanding ticket for over 5 months. No reply.
cajunflavoredbob said:
That's the purpose of this thread is to encourage collaboration of the users here into developing a truly free version with no hiccups or workarounds needed to eliminate the need for an entire thread dedicated to support questions where the answer is likely to be, "donate 4GBP and it'll work."
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I've paid/donated 4GBP six times in the last couple of months as I've been unlocking TP2s for friends. Yesterday for the first time, the Hard SPL tool failed to work after submitting the payment. I contacted the support email address and attached my PayPal payment receipt ... but of course no response.
Add my $10 pledge to the bounty pool.
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EDIT: Make sure you guys are doing some PR work to get this thing out there, please. Feel free to add this thread to your sig, or comment about it in other threads (albeit subtly). Most of us who are pledging donations so far are have already got our devices HSPL'd. This is for the benefit of the community as a whole. While not as many are doing so, there are still new users popping up everyday with new TP2's in their hands asking for help. We're doing this for them.
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I tried to retweet your tweet last night, but it was too long once RT and @CFB_XDA was added to the tweet. I was at a stop light at the time and did not try further once I was driving.
JVH3 said:
I tried to retweet your tweet last night, but it was too long once RT and @CFB_XDA was added to the tweet. I was at a stop light at the time and did not try further once I was driving.
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Yea, please don't get into a wreck. lol I wonder if we could get some chefs to support this?
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cmonex and olipro have offered up to get the proper video drivers and a sim unlocker done for the kaiser. they though have asked u guys the community to get them a kaiser they could use to do the development of the drivers and unlocker. cmonex has previous experience in doing driver hacking so she would find a way to hack the current video drivers to be used more efficiently and to use the full power of the kaiser. olipro u guys all know from the hermes forums for his unlocked and hardspl but this time around the new securities require he have a device to be able to unlock it. if they wont succedd in any of these 2 then they will give back the kaiser.
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cmonex and olipro have offered up to get the proper video drivers and a sim unlocker done for the kaiser. they though have asked u guys the community to get them a kaiser they could use to do the development of the drivers and unlocker. cmonex has previous experience in doing driver hacking so she would find a way to hack the current video drivers to be used more efficiently and to use the full power of the kaiser. olipro u guys all know from the hermes forums for his unlocked and hardspl but this time around the new securities require he have a device to be able to unlock it. if they wont succedd in any of these 2 then they will give back the kaiser.
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Cool idea - will you repost your q to the "official" (sticky) bounty thread, or, should I (at least temporarily) stick this thread? We could also include this post in the firts post in the Bounty thread.
Menneisyys said:
Cool idea - will you repost your q to the "official" (sticky) bounty thread, or, should I (at least temporarily) stick this thread? We could also include this post in the firts post in the Bounty thread.
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i would repost it but idk if it isnt off topic bc that was for how much people are willing to chip into the bounty. u can add to first post of bounty thread though. cmonex who would be lead developer of the video driver said it should be just a mod to existing video drivers after looking at what core people are saying. she says shes willing to do it just needs a kaiser and the bounty would be nice after shes done bc it will take some time and she is a student too.
SIM unlocker? Who needs that? I just called AT&T and they gave me my unlock code withing 5 minutes.
Shadow7789 said:
SIM unlocker? Who needs that? I just called AT&T and they gave me my unlock code withing 5 minutes.
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I would guesstimate that Tilt users account for less than half of the users in this forum. There are more world-wide users here using the MDA Vario III and the TyTN II and I am quite sure they would love to have an unlocked phone.
Actually I would say tilt users are the majority
Who cares about the sim locker. You guys don't have to argue about that so much, the more important thing here is the drivers.
i'm a firm believer that collaboration > competition.
maybe cmonex could get in touch with Chainfire ?
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i'm a firm believer that collaboration > competition.
maybe cmonex could get in touch with Chainfire ?
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she doesnt want to compete and is open to collaboration but needs a device to be able to do anything. she has extensive dll modding skills so it shouldn't be too hard of a job for her.
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u can add to first post of bounty thread though.
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I temporarily make this thread sticky so thqat it gets enough attention; when there is any change, I unstick it.
draxredd said:
i'm a firm believer that collaboration > competition.
maybe cmonex could get in touch with Chainfire ?
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Well actually I already was working with cmonex before my vacation started ...
Loaner?...Anyone?
but needs a device to be able to do anything.
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Perhaps a user with more than one device (I have seen many of them post, I would volunteer if I had more than 1) would be willing to loan the extraneous unit out?
Just a thought...
Probably be quicker to just buy a TILT locally and return it within the 30 day grace period.
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Probably be quicker to just buy a TILT locally and return it within the 30 day grace period.
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the problem is cmonex and olipro are in the UK.
Hey, many of us pledged towards the driver project, I say let's show some faith and donate to Oli enough to get a Test unit.
I'm in for $25
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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>
<assembly xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v1" manifestVersion="1.0">
<assemblyIdentity version="1.0.0.0" processorArchitecture="X86" name="SIM Unlock" type="win32"/>
<description>Unlock</description>
<ms_asmv2:trustInfo xmlns:ms_asmv2="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v2">
<ms_asmv2:security xmlns:ms_asmv2="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v2">
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<requestedExecutionLevel level="requireAdministrator" uiAccess="false"/>
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i was playing with imei-check.co.uk's kaiserv1unlock.exe program. the code above is what goes into the kaiser/tilt puls some info and pastes a file with an extention .ued.
past this point i am lost on 2 counts.
one: i am not a programer that understands the code above
two: i don't know or have a program that reads file extentions ending in .ued
hopefully this might help out or not.
if not sorry i am trying but again i am not a programmer.
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Well actually I already was working with cmonex before my vacation started ...
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no one noticed chainfire's post?
All that that code does is copy your imei and save it in a file with a ued extension. It's a bunch of fluff.
OK... leap of faith (fingers crossed)...
I will put give $20USD for this...
If nothing else, we will have two of the best with a Kaiser... that has to be a good thing. If this gets off the ground, just tell me where to donate.
count me in for USD 10.
kms
I posted links to a free Diamond unlocker on here last week and subsequently recieved a 7 day ban.
The ban stated the reason was "posting other peoples work".
I didnt know if the software was working,fake,safe or easy to use as my device is already unlocked but in the nature of xdadev forums i posted it in case it was of use to anybody.
I most definately didnt claim the software as my own nor did i try to profit from the work of others.
I guess it upset somebody as like i said i recieved a weeks ban for my efforts which i think was kinda harsh considering.
Wouldve have been a bit more civil to have just removed the post,links and PMed asking/demanding that i dont post the software here or anywhere else and i would have happily complied.
**** i still dont know who banned me and for what reason exactly but i aint complaining about a poxy 7 day ban that was easily bypassed by logging in as a guest to browse the forums, just wouldve been nice to been asked a question before being shot.
Just for the record
If your post was legitimate (which I don't know if it was), surely somebody was jealous and wanted his own work promoted.
Wouldn't surprise me if he even wants money for it.
It's cuz the devs are charging money for unlocking the devices. They say it will be free later, so I guess until then nobody else can start giving out codes for free.
There's a couple of posts about it in the ROM Dev thread
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If your post was legitimate (which I don't know if it was), surely somebody was jealous and wanted his own work promoted.
Wouldn't surprise me if he even wants money for it.
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Yea thats what happened as far as I can see.
The software I aquired is being sold by the dev/devs which is fair enough if they feel its worth the asking price and theres a market then **** it
let them eat cake.
My reason for this post was just that I didnt care for the way the matter was dealt with by banning me with out so much as a valid reason or reply to my attempts to contact them over the last week.
I also posted to state the fact that i didnt claim the software to be mine or attempt to gain financial or kudos rewards for the post.
If like I stated I had been approached with the facts rather than just getting banned I would have happily removed the link and file from my hosting and even blagged that the software I had was a fake if that would have appeased the powers that be and kept the coin rolling in for the dev/devs.
The fact is the unlock solution is now in the wild and its probably pissed on theyre chips.
Also im now getting unsolicited PMs asking for the software and I aint the ignorant type.
I can understand people being pissed off as i was unintentionaly offering for free what they was selling but i just think the matter could have been dealt with differently.
Fex
I think that the software author in general has the right to ask for a remuneration for his hard work, if he feels like it.
I know exactly the feeling.
But what bothers me, is exactly what you've described: the WAY it's been delt with.
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I think that the software author in general has the right to ask for a remuneration for his hard work, if he feels like it.
I know exactly the feeling.
But what bothers me, is exactly what you've described: the WAY it's been delt with.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you mate which is why like I mentioned If I had been informed I would have if able to, happily taken measures to repair and repent my minor discretion
I understand where you’re coming from innocent until proven guilty and all that. But, sh*t happens then you die... so don’t worry about it.
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The fact is the unlock solution is now in the wild and its probably pissed on theyre chips.
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I also agree with you regarding the unlocker is out in the wild. It’s available on bit torrent and various online forums mostly in foreign languages...
I do like the idea that they have come up with which is to give it out for free to people who support this site and charge the ones that don’t as its most likely these people who will go on to profit out of the software by selling it on as a service.
hint hint:
well, one of the names it goes by is libera_diamond.
im sure someone in this forum selling that...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414835 see the link and any question of who banned you will be solved my friend...
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hint hint:
well, one of the names it goes by is libera_diamond.
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I already found it.... used it... and... IT WORKS!...
Just unlocked 16 Diamonds from Portuguese TMN!...
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hint hint:
well, one of the names it goes by is libera_diamond.
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Well, found it as well, cheers!
instructions within
can anyone assist with a bit more user friendly instructions for the above topic, and do i need to use an xp system rather than my vista device?
all help would be appreciated.
cheers
help....
can someone supply better instructions, for this unlocker....
Works on Vista Ultimate Perfectly!
The unlocker works on vista. I should know. It worked perfectly on my phone.
The last step's hit and miss. For some reason (i'm guessing the dev had a twisted sense of humor), the app'll close instantly unless you try and freeze it open. The best way to do this is launch diamunlock.exe and press the UP button on your phone REPEATEDLY. After about 5-10 tries, the program will stay open and you can take your time.
I do admire what the dev was doing by selling this but TBH from what i've seen about XDA-Dev, software is given away and donations are asked for later. This new approach of charge first and that's it, while expected, doesn't seem to fit with the ethos of xda-dev and as such, i don't feel like i should promote it by paying for the software.
Now if it had been donationware? Hell yeah you best believe i'd have sent 10-20 bucks the dev's way.
Hy,
With this solution I've unlocked severall phones, and since I believe that knollege should be payed, I've given already 2 donations to this forum in general... of course I refuse to pay to anyone in specific if the solution is out for free!...
And I think everyone should recognise this forum's usefullness with some sort of donation, either knollege or money.
BR
Well, this thread surely doesnt serve any purpose other than simply gossiping (in a polite language) about someone else's work around here. So thread closed and I dont think its wrong. Will be moved to trash soon, just wanting the OP to take his time and read this post. PM a MOD if you feel otherwise
guys,
please read the text below and let me know what you think about it...
although people try to mask the situation by giving it good names the truth is that this is happening and something has to be done before things get worse.
some folks are using this forum to sell what they call 'their' products. they get these ROMs, they make changes to it by adding or removing software. then they publish it as if they are 'sharing' their 'work' but, strangely, they do it in a very commercial way by naming their 'work' with appealing words to get attention.
when these ROMs go published, they often take a few first posts of the thread as they have a lot of information to add..... and screenshots to publish..... and donations to 'suggest'...... and donors' names to publish.
sometimes it will happen that a few folks who are trying these home cooked ROMs with applications that are less likely to be used by most people will end up having serious problems that eventually will get fixed by the 'chef' .... on a new version.
the principle of sharing a piece of work entirely made by yourself is that it cannot be asked anything in exchange otherwise, even if slightly suggested, it's nothing but a sale and by getting copyrighted software, making changes to it, 'sharing' and suggesting donations from the testers, well.... i'm pretty sure this isn't completely nice.... and either legal.
although i never really bothered to look into these roms to see what's really inside them (even flashing them on my phones sometimes) i decided to do it earlier this week. the funny thing you see when you dump these roms. they are not being shared with other folks, they are being sold, and they should not be touched.
another interesting thing is that if you look into the other subforums carefully you'll see that the same chefs often publish roms for more than one handset which gets me thinking two things: 1) do they really have all these handsets they publish ROMs for? 2) if so, are these roms really tested before they go online?
i don't want to be seen as a troublemaker cause it seems that these folks have made a living out of this cooked rom thing and they appear to have gotten themselves a pretty nice bunch of fans too. however, what i want with this thread is to raise a debate and the reason is that i really like this forum and i'm concerned about something that is happening and i completely disagree.
So what is your main concern?
That the chefs would like to have donations?
Or that someone takes a pile of code and alters it not according to the original programmer?
abe
big people talk about idea..
small people talk about other people..
You have a point with "selling someone else's code, slightly altered and selling it as your own", but I think the ROM cookers only like donations for the work they do tuning the original roms and most of the time adding functionality to the device. A lot of the "better known" chefs have gathered testers around them, so most of the bugs are gone before a release.
What exactly is the debate? Where are the facts/proof that this is occuring? you cant make such a statement without backing it up with some evidence.
I know some chefs actually put ALOT of time and effort into cooking a rom, testing it and informing the community about any errors found.
I've cooked a Rom or two myself and am working on a driver set for MSM devices. It takes ALOT of my time to do so and it's not only for my own benefit. Thank God there are people out there who help me with that. (you know who you are, if you're reading this)
I'm not saying that it's right to pass your ROMs off as your own, but I do know some chefs are better in making the devices perform alot better than HTC's programmers do. And if people want to reward them for their time and effort through donations, who am I to question that?
On the other hand, I find the "lack" of community more disturbing. Some people aren't sharing their knowledge for the common good, but for getting credited or donations. I believe that's the discussion here.
Just my 2 cents.
Well, I think that if they "invest" lot of their time (and they do), it is ok to have donation button. Nobody if forceing you to pay for rom. If you like it you can donate. Fair deal if you ask me!
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the funny thing you see when you dump these roms. they are not being shared with other folks, they are being sold, and they should not be touched.
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This part I don't like. I think that they shouldn't do that, because in that case, like you said, roms are in some way being sold. That is not in the spirit of xda.
I think what he may be referring to is some members that take the ROM's from a known cook and post it with screenshots in other forums and other language forums with potential to gain off someone else work. I know of 1 instance where a Link to a ROM for only a beta test ended up with more than 500 downloads when intended for less than 10. It was found posted around in different forums.
To reward someone for there hard work in customization is up to the community. I think most people know the ROM's are not the property of the cooks, but just the cooks work in rearranging, adding, deleting, and customizing. I for one can tell you the amount of donations most cooks receive is very small and in most cases would barely cover a unlimited account for downloads. I myself think of it as I'm cooking for myself and if other people like then that's ok too.
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If I use HTC mobiles is because the cooked roms...
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On the other hand, I find the "lack" of community more disturbing. Some people aren't sharing their knowledge for the common good, but for getting credited or donations. I believe that's the discussion here.
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For me the first thing to do in order to solve this "problem" is to prohibit any "protected" ROM. I think its not fair to take official ressources, work with tools, which can be found in this forums, and then "protect" the ROM, claiming that its your own choice.
I don't think that this is the right way to go, as other (new) cookers could learn a lot from these ROMs.
But, I don't think that this is the "problem" that SlakerBoi is talking about, is it?
As these discussions tend to come and go every now and then ...
Indeed it costs a huge amount of time in the first place. And a lot of users appreciate the work all cooks are doing overhere. Besides the cooking giving people advise. I can tell you that most cooks share their knowledge. Not always visible to everyone but most of them have contact and help each other. Furthermore, is offering your rom for dumping without any guidance the best way to share?
Everyone that asks for a package, help or guidance in any way is supported in the cooking thread. Some did publish a very nice rom after some time. In my opinion it is a far better contribution then offering an open rom without any support.
The reason I cook my own roms the way I do is for speed purpose. If you have another opinion that is fine with me. But tolerate each other on having a different approach. These kind of statements in threads only give xda a bad vibe. Open your mind, when you want or need something ask for it. It's not supposed to be a tv diner anyway.
I quote you , my friend!
Well this is how it goes for a long time. I think if you don't like it, go somehwere else.
What will you get from debating??
SlakerBoi my first question for you is "have you every cooked a ROM?" i am sure your answer will be "No" because i know how much time n effords need to be put. When i cooked my first rom it took me 4 sleepless night to build a basic beta quality rom. After such a hard work someone reward you by donating. That feeling can't be said in words SlakerBoi. So please stop raising this type of question.
One more thing most of the ROM developers buy new phone with the donations they go so it's not a issue if they release rom for many devices.
Please don't continue this decisions so that this post will go to some corner.
MOD this post hurts lot of ppl feeling so please delete it.
before the flame wars starts
i am going to close this....as these questions will cause fighting.
if you have a problem with someone...contact them....don't post like this
you know this is only going to end in fighting.
thread closed.
As a chef, and a moderator (chef came first), I'll add my thoughts.
I started into cooking when AT&T released their official WM6.1 ROM for the Kaiser. I always liked the design of AT&T ROMs, but not all of the bloat they included... most of which could not be uninstalled. I had the very "simple" goal of removing the bloat in an attempt to speed up the ROM, and increase storage space.
Once I downloaded the ROM, and extracted it using KaiserKitchen, I immediately realized that I was in over my head. I am a very good with PC and Mac computers in the professional/personal world, but I had never looked at the contents of a decompiled WM ROM. There are hundreds of folders, 10,000+ files, and no real explanation of what you're looking at... that is where XDA-Developers came in.
Within 1 week of public release, I was ready with a ROM that could be considered "extreme beta". It worked, and it was fast, but it had quite a few glitches that could not have been discovered without a public release, and a few dozen people testing the ROM. One thing in the background, that is never seen, is the number of hours spent just flashing our phones (I am NOT counting the cooking process) with numerous revisions testing all the bugs/issues reported. My Tilt was flashed no less then 1000 times in it's life, and my Fuze has been through over 500 so far.
I consider myself to be a pretty good ROM chef. But I also know that I am far from the best, and that most of my knowledge came from the very large XDA-Developers community. Some ROM chefs do not share information about the inner workings of their ROM in the ROM thread itself, but a simple email/PM will usually get you the information you seek. Look at it this way: If someone uses a ROM as released, and has no desire to modify it, then why should the thread be clogged with hundreds of questions/answers relating to how this was done, or how that was done.
My ROMs are "protected" using RaphaelKitchen, but it wasn't always this way. It has been shown that merging the RGU/DSM files into one large file speeds up the ROM because you now have several hundred less files sitting on the device. In addition, I also release my kitchen, in it's complete form, when I release a new ROM version. People are free to download the kitchen, extract it to their computer, and fully customize my ROMs. I know this is a popular route, because my Fuze and Touch Pro kitchens have been downloaded over 100 times since v4.7 of my ROM came out last month.
On to donations... I have a donation link in my signature for people who wish to appreciate the amount of work/hours poured into creating custom WM ROMs. Just as my signature says, I never require monetary compensation, but I also accept whatever people give, because it allows me to improve my work. For example, I purchased WinCE CAB Creator with some of my donations, so that I could create CAB files of items removed from the ROM. I also maintain a Rapidshare Premium account so that I never have to delete any file uploaded to XDA. Another form of donation I received was web hosting on a fast server that provided an alternative to Rapidshare.
I've said all of this before, but it's been awhile, and I cannot find the post. In closing, I don't see anything wrong with the items you pointed out. We've had issues in the past with members who used donations as a way to obtain a piece of software (ROM or otherwise), and as soon as it was brought to our attention, it was dealt with.
Hi all,
This is my first post, although I have been following the group for a long time. My post is motivated by the observation that a massive imbalance exists, particularily in the Legend development community.
There is a huge mass of non-contributing users badgering a small group of hard-working developers, whilst free-loading off the many hours they spend trying to improve the Legend for all of us. (BTW - I'm not pointing any fingers that don't equally apply to myself!) The value of the hours they are putting in is huge, and the return amounts only to the occational humble click of a thanks button.
I have written to the XDA owners and proposed that they implement a system whereby users can donate to a specific thread, and that each month the proceeds of thoses donations are distributed to posters according to the distribution of new "thanks" clicks to them. Unfortunately I have not heard anything in reply, so in the meantime I propose that we start here in the Legend development forum in a less systematic way.
For example; all of us eagerly following ogo2's thread on his Alpha rom should support how we can. We have all heard BlaYO's hesitance to get too involved in that he needs another Legend to do development work on, as he can't render his own out of service for days on end. Absolutely fair point. I would suggest that all active developers in here create a donation account somewhere so that the rest of us ungrateful, free-loading scavengers (again, myself included, and meant in the most positive way! ) can contribute.
Let's get BlaYO a second development Legend, or ogo2 some resources on Linux compilation etc. It's the least we can do, even if we are just selfishly offering to help them, help us
It would not take much, and I am quite certain that anyone who can afford a Legend can also afford to donate $10-20 now and then. What a small price to pay for all the hours that our devs spend working to bring all of us the latest and greatest. Let's give something back!
There were a bunch of users that actually donated to my PayPal account (a few months ago I didn't believe this could happen by the way).
I'd personally object to such a system for various reasons, the main one being complication of something which is a pretty simple in fact: You like the work of someone, you donate (or buy).
Moreover, there are a few CM developers whose work on their device (which happens to use an msm7227 chipset) directly influences the Legend too and therefore my work as well. They are not active in the Legend forum though.
So what I basically want to say: There's a lot of work going on – not hours but weeks – which you might never see because these almost unmoderated boards here are full of you-name-it and every CM developer I know pretty much dislikes XDA for that very reason.
You don't see us (40+ developers) working, but that doesn't mean we aren't.
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Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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Is this meaning that the new CM7s will have the new kernel?
By the way, what was modified in the kernel source so the tiwlan didn't compile normaly?
I don't need a new Legend, I just need some peace...
There you go
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I don't need a new Legend, I just need some peace...
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Peace be with you
Hmmm... OK, I get that my proposal could have some shortcomings, however the intent is good. It's great to hear that users donated to your Paypal, Ali Ba, perhaps other devs should just publish Paypal details too, and users can direct donations to where they feel they are most deserved?
It is not meant to be fair compensation for the numerous hours spent, as the basic principles of community development should still be the driving force. It could, however, be a token of appreciation from those unable to contribute in any other way.
I can't help but feel that there would be more devs involved with more and faster progress as a consequence, if only there was a little reward in there too. Surely that would be in everybodies interest.
In any event, I offer my thanks to all the devs here, and I would be happy to back that up with a contribution, should you decide to go that way
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Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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I was working on getting wl12xx driver working with 2.6.32 kernel but I didn't succeed yet. Is there a reason not to switch to wl12xx driver instead? It also provides soft AP support int the same driver.
Regarding donations, it would be nice if I could donate you via Google checkout.
Thanks.
Yea leave Blay0 alone man, He's getting enough hassle on the Alpha thread as it is! people say they'd like to help then just request more things like a2sd,overclocked kernel etc.If you know anything about linux try helping by trying to build drivers for the last 2 bits (i.e Bluetooth,wifi)
I must say also that there were individuals who offered me donations which I respectfully refused and instead apoint those guys to their nearest charity. I'm not doing this for money (I make money doing other things) I'm just doing it coz I like to know how things work and I always like to learn new things. So if I become bored those donations definitely won't convince me to keep on doing it.
Don't you guys ever think that I'm doing all this for you! Noooope! I'm doing it for me and my own satisfaction. Yes, that's right I'm actualy a selfish, egoistic basterd but in a process of achieving my own goals (which are also inspired by some of your suggestions) I'm really happy if someone else learn something from me. They are few but it doesn't matter... they will definitelly pass on their knowledge and that's important coz I believe knowledge is universal and must be available to anyone willing to accept it and you cannot charge for that.
Don't kidd yourselves, this Legend thingie will be among us at most for another year and then it will get its successors and its community will become even smaller and eventually it will be disbanded and some of us will find new projects, learnig new thing and again passing on all the gained knowledge.
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Don't kidd yourselves, this Legend thingie will be among us at most for another year.
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A whole year is an optimistic approach
The main problem in the development of the HTC Legend is the device itself. It's a rare phone, and pretty much a very small group of people is using it. That also makes the group of talented developers thinner. Look at the Hero or SGS forums topic/post count. Sure - most of them are retarded, and previously answered questions, but still folks in the dev section are coding some crazy and amazing stuff. That's because those devices where popular and successful. The HTC Legend was ment to be the successor of the HTC Hero, but this ain't gonna happen. Nobody will remember this phone in a year or two. That's of course HTCs fault, not ours.
Also mentioning all the request, demands and stupid questions in the dev forum - this forum is not that bad
Go check the Nexus S section. For example the NexusSense topic (my girlfriend got a Nexus so I'm somewhat interested). Now that's pure fukcin massacre out there
Greets!
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Agreed, I thought Legend was a kickass sucessor, but very few people actually bought it...I've deserted to Desire S, but I think that's a very similar case so far anyways...
But back on topic: The thing is, everyone has an interest in what he's doing and unless he has a gain from that work he wouldn't be doing it But the idea of donating is noble ofcourse
Let's support our developers by not asking stupid and obvious questions, using search button, hitting that freakin' "thanks" button as often as we can, and most importantly by using our own brains to gain even more from their work
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Let's support our developers by not asking stupid and obvious questions, using search button, hitting that freakin' "thanks" button as often as we can, and most importantly by using our own brains to gain even more from their work
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Amen! (10char )
Agree with the great Dr!
PLUS This is a General thread so should be in the general section.....Threads should go into the right forums for a start! Hate to think how many threads there are in the wrong place :/
***UPDATE (8/25/11): This donation thread/link is now to help get the device for DJRBliss. If he is able to achieve root, he plans on keeping the device, so no funds will be returned. However, he has agreed to resell, and return money based on the percentage of the original donation- IF someone else achieves root in an unrelated effort.
Please donate with the expectation to NOT get any money back, and get ROOT instead! Again, nothing can be promised!
www.KrazyKrivda.com - Donate link and our root attempts.***
I am starting to consider taking a few extra risks and try to get this phone rooted, but since I need a reliable device for work Im considering an extra phone to work on.
I may pu up a link and ask for a "temporary donation." I would use the money to purchase a new phone to work with. Once the phone is rooted, whether by me or someone else, I will resell the device on ebay, or through the community and return money to those who originally donated.
I will only be able to return money based on percentage. Ex. If you donate 100 for a 500 device (20%), and I resell device for only 300, you will only get 60 back. *I do not ask that anyone give 100, just as a for example.*
I think it best to do it this way because I cannot promise that your donation or contribution will lead to me rooting the D3.
Feedback welcome.
-KrazyKrivda
A sidenote - #KrazyK irc is now registered, and I advise anyone with knowhow, decent ideas, and the ability to assist the droid 3 root cause to join and discuss. Please, do not join merely for updates, general gossip and such, as they will still be posted in the threads here. I would like to keep the discussion as on topic and on task as possible to expedite the possibility of root.
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I would be willing to throw some money in on this. I've also seen several people on droidforums that would probably donate also. A lot of people want root really really bad (me included).
How and where to donate?
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How and where to donate?
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I will wait a few days to see if it is worth asking for donations. I'm more than willing to throw some of my own $$ in. Hopefully we get root in a few days and this is unnecessary.
If not, and we have positive response for this, I will post a link midweek.
**NOTE: I still am in NO way guaranteeing I can root this device. Just hoping to improve the chances.
According to your post history, you seem to know your stuff, and I'd be glad to throw a couple bills your way, but have you contributed to the rooting of any other devices? Please forgive my ignorance on the matter.
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According to your post history, you seem to know your stuff, and I'd be glad to throw a couple bills your way, but have you contributed to the rooting of any other devices? Please forgive my ignorance on the matter.
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I have rooted other devices however I am in no way responsible for the method of rooting them. In terms of contribution to the android community thus far I have worked on and created a few themes, as well as some small modifications to the cm source code when I was using my original droid.
I openly admit I am not as skilled as many other developers out there however I am probably 1 of the most persistent 1s and tend not be able to drop something until what I want is accomplished. Feel free to ask anyone in the irc/forums.. I know I tend to get annoying ;-).
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Well krazykrivda I commend you and sincerely hope you get this phone rooted. And im sure some other devs could help if you ask enough. Lol I hope you get this donate link up. Every one is willing to support you it doesn't matter if you succeed or not as long as you have the same want we do.
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Well, I can contribute $200, because root for this device is very important to me. If the value of the phone goes beyond where it is right now due to the phone being rooted, you could totally keep the difference. However, if it gets bricked, well... it gets bricked. I understand that that's a possibility.
Out of curiosity... have you ever bricked a phone before?
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Out of curiosity... have you ever bricked a phone before?
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Ha, no I have not, but I've always had recovery or an sbf in worst case scenarios.
To truly brick a phone is quite difficult, and once an sbf, root, or other means are out... chances are most "bricked" devices would be fully recoverable.
And assuming I do get a test phone.. I will keep it in box as long as possible, taking chances on current device. This way I may be able to return/or sell NIB decreasing chances of losing value.
This is not for me to make $$ off of... now if I do achieve root I doubt I would turn down monetary thank yous? ;-) *wishful thinking*
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Alright cool.... show me a link brah. lol.
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I have rooted other devices however I am in no way responsible for the method of rooting them. In terms of contribution to the android community thus far I have worked on and created a few themes, as well as some small modifications to the cm source code when I was using my original droid.
I openly admit I am not as skilled as many other developers out there however I am probably 1 of the most persistent 1s and tend not be able to drop something until what I want is accomplished. Feel free to ask anyone in the irc/forums.. I know I tend to get annoying ;-).
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I can vouch for Krazy, not that it means much coming from me. But he knows what hes talking about and is the only guy ive seen actually actively trying to root this for everybody. Ive also used many of his themes on my droid . Good stuff.
rent is paid for this month so count me in with at least a $100.00 may be $200.00 if needed
I have an dev Atrix, and I can tell you a dev Droid 3 is most likely not going to help. What will work on the dev phone won't work on a retail phone. It mostly comes down to the boot process, and the signatures used to control things.
I can't say it is useless, but it will only really be useful in someone with deep knowledge of the ARM architecture, and who can disassemble code. Even then they would have to get pretty lucky.
Overall, only expect it to help after you have phone the right person, or group of people who can really dig deep, and are willing to put the time into it.
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I am not looking into getting an actual unlocked dev phone, but a phone for me to test/develop on.
I do agree that the more that work on this, and the deeper we dig the greater are chances. I have heard good things about you and hope you can assist.
If I find someone that I feel will have better luck than me, and equal motivation.. AND willingness to the same terms I set fourth (temporary donation, and returning funds once root is achieved based on phones resale) I'd be delighted to pass this potential extra D3 into their hands (assuming the donators agree as well).
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This is a 0 profit venture for me, and a way I figure can reduce chance of bad investment for all those who DO donate. As soon as the D3 is rooted, it's resale will begin.
To reiterate, I am NOT the most skilled skilled, and I am not trying to trick anyone into give me ther money. I merely have the time, motivation, and dedication that will hopefully lead to this devices root status.
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Edgan:
I am not looking into getting an actual unlocked dev phone, but a phone for me to test/develop on.
I do agree that the more that work on this, and the deeper we dig the greater are chances. I have heard good things about you and hope you can assist.
If I find someone that I feel will have better luck than me, and equal motivation.. AND willingness to the same terms I set fourth (temporary donation, and returning funds once root is achieved based on phones resale) I'd be delighted to pass this potential extra D3 into their hands (assuming the donators agree as well).
ALL:
This is a 0 profit venture for me, and a way I figure can reduce chance of bad investment for all those who DO donate. As soon as the D3 is rooted, it's resale will begin.
To reiterate, I am NOT the most skilled skilled, and I am not trying to trick anyone into give me ther money. I merely have the time, motivation, and dedication that will hopefully lead to this devices root status.
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Too bad this isn't the X2 we are talking about. I am currently setting up my spare X2 as a gaming \ entertainment device for the household (meaning 2 year old and 1 year old). Seems like a waste of a "new" phone.
If I get a spare D3 than I would be more than happy to donate.
PS....didn't P3Droid get a D3?
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PS....didn't P3Droid get a D3?
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... yes, he did, but he has been a busy guy!
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... yes, he did, but he has been a busy guy!
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I would be willing to send my D3 to a developer for vivisection IF (!!!) I was guaranteed that he/she could make the potential brick look good for Asurion.
PM me if you want to make preliminary arrangements.
www.KrazyKrivda.com
I would have already wepayed you, but you never responded to my PM.
I just sent $400 with WePay to get KrazyKrivda a D3. I found one on eBay for 379.99. The goal on the WePay site is $500.
$100 to go people! Come on, let's make it happen