Hi all,
This is my first post, although I have been following the group for a long time. My post is motivated by the observation that a massive imbalance exists, particularily in the Legend development community.
There is a huge mass of non-contributing users badgering a small group of hard-working developers, whilst free-loading off the many hours they spend trying to improve the Legend for all of us. (BTW - I'm not pointing any fingers that don't equally apply to myself!) The value of the hours they are putting in is huge, and the return amounts only to the occational humble click of a thanks button.
I have written to the XDA owners and proposed that they implement a system whereby users can donate to a specific thread, and that each month the proceeds of thoses donations are distributed to posters according to the distribution of new "thanks" clicks to them. Unfortunately I have not heard anything in reply, so in the meantime I propose that we start here in the Legend development forum in a less systematic way.
For example; all of us eagerly following ogo2's thread on his Alpha rom should support how we can. We have all heard BlaYO's hesitance to get too involved in that he needs another Legend to do development work on, as he can't render his own out of service for days on end. Absolutely fair point. I would suggest that all active developers in here create a donation account somewhere so that the rest of us ungrateful, free-loading scavengers (again, myself included, and meant in the most positive way! ) can contribute.
Let's get BlaYO a second development Legend, or ogo2 some resources on Linux compilation etc. It's the least we can do, even if we are just selfishly offering to help them, help us
It would not take much, and I am quite certain that anyone who can afford a Legend can also afford to donate $10-20 now and then. What a small price to pay for all the hours that our devs spend working to bring all of us the latest and greatest. Let's give something back!
There were a bunch of users that actually donated to my PayPal account (a few months ago I didn't believe this could happen by the way).
I'd personally object to such a system for various reasons, the main one being complication of something which is a pretty simple in fact: You like the work of someone, you donate (or buy).
Moreover, there are a few CM developers whose work on their device (which happens to use an msm7227 chipset) directly influences the Legend too and therefore my work as well. They are not active in the Legend forum though.
So what I basically want to say: There's a lot of work going on – not hours but weeks – which you might never see because these almost unmoderated boards here are full of you-name-it and every CM developer I know pretty much dislikes XDA for that very reason.
You don't see us (40+ developers) working, but that doesn't mean we aren't.
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Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
ali ba said:
Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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Is this meaning that the new CM7s will have the new kernel?
By the way, what was modified in the kernel source so the tiwlan didn't compile normaly?
I don't need a new Legend, I just need some peace...
There you go
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I don't need a new Legend, I just need some peace...
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Peace be with you
Hmmm... OK, I get that my proposal could have some shortcomings, however the intent is good. It's great to hear that users donated to your Paypal, Ali Ba, perhaps other devs should just publish Paypal details too, and users can direct donations to where they feel they are most deserved?
It is not meant to be fair compensation for the numerous hours spent, as the basic principles of community development should still be the driving force. It could, however, be a token of appreciation from those unable to contribute in any other way.
I can't help but feel that there would be more devs involved with more and faster progress as a consequence, if only there was a little reward in there too. Surely that would be in everybodies interest.
In any event, I offer my thanks to all the devs here, and I would be happy to back that up with a contribution, should you decide to go that way
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Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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I was working on getting wl12xx driver working with 2.6.32 kernel but I didn't succeed yet. Is there a reason not to switch to wl12xx driver instead? It also provides soft AP support int the same driver.
Regarding donations, it would be nice if I could donate you via Google checkout.
Thanks.
Yea leave Blay0 alone man, He's getting enough hassle on the Alpha thread as it is! people say they'd like to help then just request more things like a2sd,overclocked kernel etc.If you know anything about linux try helping by trying to build drivers for the last 2 bits (i.e Bluetooth,wifi)
I must say also that there were individuals who offered me donations which I respectfully refused and instead apoint those guys to their nearest charity. I'm not doing this for money (I make money doing other things) I'm just doing it coz I like to know how things work and I always like to learn new things. So if I become bored those donations definitely won't convince me to keep on doing it.
Don't you guys ever think that I'm doing all this for you! Noooope! I'm doing it for me and my own satisfaction. Yes, that's right I'm actualy a selfish, egoistic basterd but in a process of achieving my own goals (which are also inspired by some of your suggestions) I'm really happy if someone else learn something from me. They are few but it doesn't matter... they will definitelly pass on their knowledge and that's important coz I believe knowledge is universal and must be available to anyone willing to accept it and you cannot charge for that.
Don't kidd yourselves, this Legend thingie will be among us at most for another year and then it will get its successors and its community will become even smaller and eventually it will be disbanded and some of us will find new projects, learnig new thing and again passing on all the gained knowledge.
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Don't kidd yourselves, this Legend thingie will be among us at most for another year.
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A whole year is an optimistic approach
The main problem in the development of the HTC Legend is the device itself. It's a rare phone, and pretty much a very small group of people is using it. That also makes the group of talented developers thinner. Look at the Hero or SGS forums topic/post count. Sure - most of them are retarded, and previously answered questions, but still folks in the dev section are coding some crazy and amazing stuff. That's because those devices where popular and successful. The HTC Legend was ment to be the successor of the HTC Hero, but this ain't gonna happen. Nobody will remember this phone in a year or two. That's of course HTCs fault, not ours.
Also mentioning all the request, demands and stupid questions in the dev forum - this forum is not that bad
Go check the Nexus S section. For example the NexusSense topic (my girlfriend got a Nexus so I'm somewhat interested). Now that's pure fukcin massacre out there
Greets!
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Agreed, I thought Legend was a kickass sucessor, but very few people actually bought it...I've deserted to Desire S, but I think that's a very similar case so far anyways...
But back on topic: The thing is, everyone has an interest in what he's doing and unless he has a gain from that work he wouldn't be doing it But the idea of donating is noble ofcourse
Let's support our developers by not asking stupid and obvious questions, using search button, hitting that freakin' "thanks" button as often as we can, and most importantly by using our own brains to gain even more from their work
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Let's support our developers by not asking stupid and obvious questions, using search button, hitting that freakin' "thanks" button as often as we can, and most importantly by using our own brains to gain even more from their work
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Amen! (10char )
Agree with the great Dr!
PLUS This is a General thread so should be in the general section.....Threads should go into the right forums for a start! Hate to think how many threads there are in the wrong place :/
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Hello Admins / Mods,
I opend this thread to see if we can get an update on the situation that has been going on for the past 24 hours with regard to the sharing issue. Many of the chefs have decided to discontinue their ROM development work due to this.
Myself along with a lot of other HD users (I hope) are very eager to know when things would get back to normal. I kept visiting this section frequently to see if there is any new information on this situation, but unfortunately there isn't any.
So, please let us know if ROM development for Blackstone is going to continue or did the cooks really leave XDA. If they did leave as they have mentioned, it a huge loss to this community and I think the Admins and the Mods must do what ever it takes to convinience them to share their work within XDA.
Due to the action of a few individuals... this great community should not suffer.
Please let us know the status.
Davideuck / kwbr / Laurentius26 / HelloNasty / pzucchel / robertus3d / texture / panosha / pzucchel / duttythroy (sorry if I missed someone) - You are all a GREAT asset to this community and we love your work and you are the reason we love our devices even more.
Please resolve your differences and I hope things get back to being normal and exiting.
i am a 100% with you!
Firstly, I am sympathetic with the rest of the staff, but I will not stop, I like to do
Roms, investigate, but never stop!
Because I like!! Never received any donation in blackstone! But life continues ... Spend large hours a day!!!
Thanks to everyone who like my job!
Im a mod on a car site based in the UK. We had a situation where a member was ripping off other members via our 'for sale' section. We investigated and kept our member informed. It doesnt take much and im disappointed it hasn't happened here.
Frankly if this site doesn't respond very soon, in a satisfactory way (I.E not in an aggressive or arrogant way), then its not the sort of place i want to be. It will certainly reflect badly on the WM community, it may make me regret my decision to move over from Symbian. Indeed the quality of the community often guides my choices in automotive and AV.
Im not saying the cookers owe us anything (im happy with my ROM) and i support them if they have been wronged, but after investing money in my Blackstone id like to know my options.
I'm one of "Autocensored" cookers and only thing I can say is:
Yesterday someone paid a user to avoid sharing of new topaz rom... for this me, DavideUck, Infido and others had protested stopping our development until the sharing priority will be guarantee...
EDIT: I forgot to say that Mods are hepling us to much to understand what's happened and really soon the truth will overcome
Greets
francesco
carburano said:
I'm one of "Autocensored" cookers and only thing I can say is:
Yesterday someone paid a user to avoid sharing of new topaz rom... for this me, DavideUck, Infido and others had protested stopping our development until the sharing priority will be guarantee...
EDIT: I forgot to say that Mods are hepling us to much to understand what's happened and really soon the truth will overcome
Greets
francesco
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Welcome to xda-developers.com
This site is about certain PDA-phones, made by a firm called HTC in Taiwan. Their makers named them 'Wallaby', 'Himalaya', 'Blue Angel', 'Wizard' and 'TyTN', but almost nobody knows them by those names. The mobile provider O2 sells them under the brand-name 'XDA', and that's what we had in our hands first. They're also known as Qtek, MDA, SX-56, Hermes and many, many other names.
Since we develop software for it, we need information, and nobody seemed eager or ready to give us what we needed. So we 'reverse-engineered' the devices, found a lot of information, and shared it with the world. But as our site grew we realised that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from a lack of support. They started using the xda-developers forum to communicate and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developer forum.
We hope that you will enjoy this site and find it as useful as we do. We encourage you to donate or otherwise support this site. Of course absolutely all proceeds from donations will benefit this community.
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I'm sure it will get back to normal pretty soon.....
Personally I am very greatly to all cooks and mods for there hard work and I always donate to the cook of which ROM I choose.
It will be a sad day to lose any cooks due to these unfortunate circumstances.
I look forward to everything going back to normal, and hopefully people will learn that this site is for the cummnity!!!
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Hello Admins / Mods,
I opend this thread to see if we can get an update on the situation that has been going on for the past 24 hours with regard to the sharing issue. Many of the chefs have decided to discontinue their ROM development work due to this.
Myself along with a lot of other HD users (I hope) are very eager to know when things would get back to normal. I kept visiting this section frequently to see if there is any new information on this situation, but unfortunately there isn't any.
So, please let us know if ROM development for Blackstone is going to continue or did the cooks really leave XDA. If they did leave as they have mentioned, it a huge loss to this community and I think the Admins and the Mods must do what ever it takes to convinience them to share their work within XDA.
Due to the action of a few individuals... this great community should not suffer.
Please let us know the status.
Davideuck / kwbr / Laurentius26 / HelloNasty / pzucchel / robertus3d / texture / panosha / duttythroy (sorry if I missed someone) - You are all a GREAT asset to this community and we love your work and you are the reason we love our devices even more.
Please resolve your differences and I hope things get back to being normal and exiting.
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Agree.
Lets wait for some feedback.
speed200 said:
Agree.
Lets wait for some feedback.
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yes i hobe it will come
knudsen81 said:
yes i hobe it will come
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Lets hope so.
But from the look of other threads like this one this one will soon close.
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Lets hope so.
But from the look of other threads like this one this one will soon close.
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LOL... Close is the more easy!!!!
hellonasty said:
Firstly, I am sympathetic with the rest of the staff, but I will not stop, I like to do
Roms, investigate, but never stop!
Because I like!! Never received any donation in blackstone! But life continues ... Spend large hours a day!!!
Thanks to everyone who like my job!
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When I read this message:
Bevestigingsnummer: 5D325579TR1962439, donated a few minutes ago .
The customized ROM from you is really great! Life goes on, let's go for the community.
I hope that the solution will coming soon...
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When I read this message:
Bevestigingsnummer: 5D325579TR1962439, donated a few minutes ago .
The customized ROM from you is really great! Life goes on, let's go for the community.
I hope that the solution will coming soon...
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You have understand all my friend!
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When I read this message:
Bevestigingsnummer: 5D325579TR1962439, donated a few minutes ago .
The customized ROM from you is really great! Life goes on, let's go for the community.
I hope that the solution will coming soon...
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Thanks!!!!
I put you in my Big list!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=482341
This clearly is a most unfortunate situation and I can understand how many of the cooks, mods and members alike are becoming upset. This said, can I appeal to those same people not to bring this bad feeling into the rom threads themselves. Despite the mods repeatedly saying they will sort out the situation as quickly as possible, certain people continue to bombard the threads with aggressive accusations which cannot serve any purpose. I myself was accused of taking back handers last night because I tried to get the thread back on topic! I mean really! I wouldn't mind but I've not seen a penny
The rom threads should be for help and bug reports and that alone! Threads such as this one are the perfect opportunity to raise other issues.
The saddest thing about this is some of the cooks who are upset are inadvertently doing what they are accusing others of in not sharing, by discontinuing their work here.
In the year I've been a member here, I've downloaded and enjoyed numerous roms from many of the cooks here and I've enjoyed being part of a great community. It breaks my heart to see that same community crumbling before my eyes
C'mon guys, can we not try to work through this like the adults we are and get back to being the best god damn HTC forum on the planet?
Rich
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The rom threads should be for help and bug reports and that alone! Threads such as this one are the perfect opportunity to raise other issues.
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Exactly
ClownShoes said:
The saddest thing about this is some of the cooks who are upset are inadvertently doing what they are accusing others of in not sharing, by discontinuing their work here.
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Hmmm Even more exact
ClownShoes said:
C'mon guys, can we not try to work through this like the adults we are and get back to being the best god damn HTC forum on the planet?
Rich
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Exactly
Who has the right to demand on this community? This scenario seems so imature and childish.
Chiefs leave/move on, new ones will start thats how it goes, lets not let them hold XDA to ransom.
Surely we don't need martyrs on XDA?
Well here's something to make you all smile
The same member who last night accused me of being somehow involved in making money
lucarp78 said:
Mind your business, or maybe you're business involved?
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Has now got it into his head that I am Duttythroy because I was helping people in the thread
lucarp78 said:
what's your game?
I think that you aren't who seem be!
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This is brilliant... Am I right in thinking you're accusing me of being Duttythroy?
Er no! What on earth would I gain from pretending to be another member?
Ha ha ha, you've made my day though
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lucarp78 said:
You said, not me.
This is sufficient for doubt, together at all your posts from when you register in xda.
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All joking aside, this is what I was talking about though. People are getting carried away now and it's starting to get in the way of people genuinely seeking help. Can I perhaps suggest to a politely worded PM sent out to all members, asking for a little patience and consideration at this time?
Rich
Can someone explain what is all this sharing issue all about?
I read many threads, but didn't understand the root of this matter.
Amir.
amir77a said:
Can someone explain what is all this sharing issue all about?
I read many threads, but didn't understand the root of this matter.
Amir.
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Ok, here is the story...
Dutty's V1.8 ROM was from the new HTC ROM from (Dimond2 or Touch Pro2). Other chefs were hoping that he would dump that ROM. But, Dutty said that he was not going to share this new HTC ROM (Topaz) since he promised his source that he would not.
After couple of days, a few chefs were suppose to come out with their next ROM versions with this Topaz ROM build. But then, suddenly, who ever was suppose to sare this ROM with these chefs, told them in PM that some one Paid him money not to share this new Topaz with the XDA chefs. So he decided not to.
Now the chefs who were waiting for this ROM dump, got really pissed and decided not to share their own work within XDA until the admins and the Mods of XDA make it clear that sharing made the core principle within the XDA community.
Facts:
- Dutty was the one only one who had this new HTC ROM and he decided not to share it with anyone else for his own reasons as he explained in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=484867
- Someone "claims" got paid by someone else not to sare the new ROM with the chefs within XDA as per this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3373252&postcount=1842
- Most of the Blackstone chefs decided to Discontinue their curren work and/or leave the XDA community until stuff is shared by everyone here for the benifit of the community.
Peace OUT!
After reading this, another possibility is that Dutty too was payed not to share...
And maybe he is not the one who paid?
Ok from the recent accumulation of information, lots of confusion, and lots of false info, i have seen on here finally has made me to decide to post here again in order to help clean up all of the rumors and such and give an update on the status of unlocking the device...
1. Bootloaders- are locked and as of now will be for the forseable future bearing we don't get some of the info we need one being the proper sbk. there are other methods we have been working on but i guess the easy way of putting it is we have gotten to all the final doors and have all the tools , how ever the locks on these final doors are at this point still un-pickable. My current suggestion for anyone wanting to help, unless you are a good crypto guy , in which case by all means message me, for the rest of you our best bet is a hot chic a tight dress and a even better B - to some one that has access of some of the stuff we need if you cant offer any of these things than just be patient so that next time i dont have to write this and once again we wont have to publish what we are doing for everyone to read and defend against, before we are ready too!! Remember they don't document online how the built the lock , so we should not publish how we want to dismantle it until it is done!!
2. Nvflash - Yes it exists on our devices, yes it can be accessed , yes you need a Dev. cable to do so. Yes using it theoretically we could re flash our devices with unsecured images , yes with it I could make our devices free , How ever this all being said there is a problem currently, and that is that its is signed with a sbk value, this value is unknown to us it is a AES key and is in this format 0x00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000. With out knowing the value of this key anything anyone wants to tell you about nvflash is complete and entire BS!! You can not even read from the device, any command that is sent via nvflash will return an error and than disable the connection to the device in order to prevent a brute force attack. Find us this key by sleeping with the enemy i will give you an unlocked device by tomorrow
3. Dev Cable- Yes they exist, yes you can make your own, You need to send 5v to pin 4 also known as the id pin, the battery must be removed from the device when using this cable, you will plug it into your phone hold the vol - button and goto nvflash mode than your computer can see it as well as nvflash. Is there any need for you to have this cable ? As of now probably not, as there is not much you can do with this cable unless you have a dead or damaged battery and need to reflash a sbf to fix your phone so that you can than charge your battery again. And yes TBH is offering to sell you one of these cables for $50, if that seems to be a fair price to you and do not wish to make your own and do have a use for a cable that as of now is not helping a retail atrix to much than by all means order one from there web page.
Anyhow despite our lack of posting here on XDA there are a few of us that still dedicate our time everyday to this ... We are not constantly updating people here because A) Anything less than a guide on how to unlock your device is a disappointment, B) We do not think that making our info publicly available would be beneficial to anyone, and increases the likely hood of a patch or block attempt. C) Its not a oh were almost there type of operation, there is no clear cut path. Anyhow i Hope this helps clear up info and stops foolish attempts and ridiculous comments lies and posts like i have seen the past week, keep faith and enjoy your device as is its a great devices just severely crippled thanks to AT&T thats right AT&T so if your board write to them, call them, sign the patition, file a complaint to FTC blog about it and from now on only buy devices listed like here, http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/root_friendly
Have a Great DAY!!
This wake up call is very much appreciated! Thank you, sir!!
Thank you for the update.
I believe that this has been a much needed post, but please clean up the language.
Thank you.
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Thank you for the good information! I'll be quite happy with my GingerBlur in the meantime.
I got fiiiiive on it
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sifon187 said:
time to start the bounty for the hooker.
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I'm in for $10.
frankiedizzle87 said:
Language is real talk speak how u want we grown
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Like many, I am exposed to this kind of language on a daily basis. Like few, I understand the importance of a clean, inviting community for all ages. Now, I am only sixteen, but real adults speak politely, with manners and respect. Such ideals are hard to come by these days, even in the adult community. I am just making whatever menial effort I can to keep these forums clean and inviting for all age groups and backgrounds.
Thank you.
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Like many, I am exposed to this kind of language on a daily basis. Like few, I understand the importance of a clean, inviting community for all ages. Now, I am only sixteen, but real adults speak politely, with manners and respect. Such ideals are hard to come by these days, even in the adult community. I am just making whatever menial effort I can to keep these forums clean and inviting for all age groups and backgrounds.
Thank you.
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But its not for all age groups...these forums are for the hardcore modders and devs. If you don't like the way he talks don't read it
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EricHegnes said:
Like many, I am exposed to this kind of language on a daily basis. Like few, I understand the importance of a clean, inviting community for all ages. Now, I am only sixteen, but real adults speak politely, with manners and respect. Such ideals are hard to come by these days, even in the adult community. I am just making whatever menial effort I can to keep these forums clean and inviting for all age groups and backgrounds.
Thank you.
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i'm 10 years older and i speak however the situation requires. not everyone has to be polite and cordial 100% of the time; in fact the internet is probably the least likely place you will find that. if there's a problem, tell the mods or report the thread. citizen's policing will often just lead to backlash.
anyway, i suggest we sticky this thread to the top of the forum.
Developers rarely speak curiously our sometimes even understandably. So asking devs to speak in your preferred style will likely lead to devs ignoring you or walking away. They're very fickle that way.
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raybond25 said:
we either need to find an insecure female motorola employee and worm the SBK out of her, or we need to hire a really hot hooker to get it from one of the motorola tech devs.
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Lets spend that $2700 bounty on a hooker
ON TOPIC: Best of luck to the devs I'll be waiting here patiently..
With all that being said... back to the subject people Thanks for the update t0dbld! I, like many others who have this beast of a phone, will continue to patiently wait while the devs (who are working hard) try to get this thing handled!
Attention Mods: Could this be stickied in an effort to stop anymore pointless bootloader threads? Keep it updated with any news of bootloader unlock efforts.
Thanks for the update devs.
Come on guys, we all know there is no women in computers. Well not hot desperate ones anyway.
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Come on guys, we all know there is no women in computers. Well not hot desperate ones anyway.
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who said they had to be hot....? someone could take one for the team.
that being said - thanks for the post t0bold, we know you're doing what you do elsewhere so you don't get flamed hard by the naysayers, and we support you guys.
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who said they had to be hot....? someone could take one for the team.
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You get on with taking one for the team bud. ;D
that being said - thanks for the post t0bold, we know you're doing what you do elsewhere so you don't get flamed hard by the naysayers, and we support you guys.
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Ontopic: Great post t0bold, it was definitely needed. I am hoping the sbk gets leaked from Moto. But I doubt that will happen, but you never know.
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if anyone got the sbk like that they would be my hero, ahahaha.
although, if anyone got it using any method they'd probably still be my hero, but that one would be so much more awesome.
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Lol they'd be the keymaster lmao
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Apart from the sbk what would you need?
***UPDATE (8/25/11): This donation thread/link is now to help get the device for DJRBliss. If he is able to achieve root, he plans on keeping the device, so no funds will be returned. However, he has agreed to resell, and return money based on the percentage of the original donation- IF someone else achieves root in an unrelated effort.
Please donate with the expectation to NOT get any money back, and get ROOT instead! Again, nothing can be promised!
www.KrazyKrivda.com - Donate link and our root attempts.***
I am starting to consider taking a few extra risks and try to get this phone rooted, but since I need a reliable device for work Im considering an extra phone to work on.
I may pu up a link and ask for a "temporary donation." I would use the money to purchase a new phone to work with. Once the phone is rooted, whether by me or someone else, I will resell the device on ebay, or through the community and return money to those who originally donated.
I will only be able to return money based on percentage. Ex. If you donate 100 for a 500 device (20%), and I resell device for only 300, you will only get 60 back. *I do not ask that anyone give 100, just as a for example.*
I think it best to do it this way because I cannot promise that your donation or contribution will lead to me rooting the D3.
Feedback welcome.
-KrazyKrivda
A sidenote - #KrazyK irc is now registered, and I advise anyone with knowhow, decent ideas, and the ability to assist the droid 3 root cause to join and discuss. Please, do not join merely for updates, general gossip and such, as they will still be posted in the threads here. I would like to keep the discussion as on topic and on task as possible to expedite the possibility of root.
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I would be willing to throw some money in on this. I've also seen several people on droidforums that would probably donate also. A lot of people want root really really bad (me included).
How and where to donate?
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How and where to donate?
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I will wait a few days to see if it is worth asking for donations. I'm more than willing to throw some of my own $$ in. Hopefully we get root in a few days and this is unnecessary.
If not, and we have positive response for this, I will post a link midweek.
**NOTE: I still am in NO way guaranteeing I can root this device. Just hoping to improve the chances.
According to your post history, you seem to know your stuff, and I'd be glad to throw a couple bills your way, but have you contributed to the rooting of any other devices? Please forgive my ignorance on the matter.
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According to your post history, you seem to know your stuff, and I'd be glad to throw a couple bills your way, but have you contributed to the rooting of any other devices? Please forgive my ignorance on the matter.
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I have rooted other devices however I am in no way responsible for the method of rooting them. In terms of contribution to the android community thus far I have worked on and created a few themes, as well as some small modifications to the cm source code when I was using my original droid.
I openly admit I am not as skilled as many other developers out there however I am probably 1 of the most persistent 1s and tend not be able to drop something until what I want is accomplished. Feel free to ask anyone in the irc/forums.. I know I tend to get annoying ;-).
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Well krazykrivda I commend you and sincerely hope you get this phone rooted. And im sure some other devs could help if you ask enough. Lol I hope you get this donate link up. Every one is willing to support you it doesn't matter if you succeed or not as long as you have the same want we do.
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Well, I can contribute $200, because root for this device is very important to me. If the value of the phone goes beyond where it is right now due to the phone being rooted, you could totally keep the difference. However, if it gets bricked, well... it gets bricked. I understand that that's a possibility.
Out of curiosity... have you ever bricked a phone before?
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Out of curiosity... have you ever bricked a phone before?
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Ha, no I have not, but I've always had recovery or an sbf in worst case scenarios.
To truly brick a phone is quite difficult, and once an sbf, root, or other means are out... chances are most "bricked" devices would be fully recoverable.
And assuming I do get a test phone.. I will keep it in box as long as possible, taking chances on current device. This way I may be able to return/or sell NIB decreasing chances of losing value.
This is not for me to make $$ off of... now if I do achieve root I doubt I would turn down monetary thank yous? ;-) *wishful thinking*
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Alright cool.... show me a link brah. lol.
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I have rooted other devices however I am in no way responsible for the method of rooting them. In terms of contribution to the android community thus far I have worked on and created a few themes, as well as some small modifications to the cm source code when I was using my original droid.
I openly admit I am not as skilled as many other developers out there however I am probably 1 of the most persistent 1s and tend not be able to drop something until what I want is accomplished. Feel free to ask anyone in the irc/forums.. I know I tend to get annoying ;-).
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I can vouch for Krazy, not that it means much coming from me. But he knows what hes talking about and is the only guy ive seen actually actively trying to root this for everybody. Ive also used many of his themes on my droid . Good stuff.
rent is paid for this month so count me in with at least a $100.00 may be $200.00 if needed
I have an dev Atrix, and I can tell you a dev Droid 3 is most likely not going to help. What will work on the dev phone won't work on a retail phone. It mostly comes down to the boot process, and the signatures used to control things.
I can't say it is useless, but it will only really be useful in someone with deep knowledge of the ARM architecture, and who can disassemble code. Even then they would have to get pretty lucky.
Overall, only expect it to help after you have phone the right person, or group of people who can really dig deep, and are willing to put the time into it.
Edgan:
I am not looking into getting an actual unlocked dev phone, but a phone for me to test/develop on.
I do agree that the more that work on this, and the deeper we dig the greater are chances. I have heard good things about you and hope you can assist.
If I find someone that I feel will have better luck than me, and equal motivation.. AND willingness to the same terms I set fourth (temporary donation, and returning funds once root is achieved based on phones resale) I'd be delighted to pass this potential extra D3 into their hands (assuming the donators agree as well).
ALL:
This is a 0 profit venture for me, and a way I figure can reduce chance of bad investment for all those who DO donate. As soon as the D3 is rooted, it's resale will begin.
To reiterate, I am NOT the most skilled skilled, and I am not trying to trick anyone into give me ther money. I merely have the time, motivation, and dedication that will hopefully lead to this devices root status.
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Edgan:
I am not looking into getting an actual unlocked dev phone, but a phone for me to test/develop on.
I do agree that the more that work on this, and the deeper we dig the greater are chances. I have heard good things about you and hope you can assist.
If I find someone that I feel will have better luck than me, and equal motivation.. AND willingness to the same terms I set fourth (temporary donation, and returning funds once root is achieved based on phones resale) I'd be delighted to pass this potential extra D3 into their hands (assuming the donators agree as well).
ALL:
This is a 0 profit venture for me, and a way I figure can reduce chance of bad investment for all those who DO donate. As soon as the D3 is rooted, it's resale will begin.
To reiterate, I am NOT the most skilled skilled, and I am not trying to trick anyone into give me ther money. I merely have the time, motivation, and dedication that will hopefully lead to this devices root status.
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Too bad this isn't the X2 we are talking about. I am currently setting up my spare X2 as a gaming \ entertainment device for the household (meaning 2 year old and 1 year old). Seems like a waste of a "new" phone.
If I get a spare D3 than I would be more than happy to donate.
PS....didn't P3Droid get a D3?
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... yes, he did, but he has been a busy guy!
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... yes, he did, but he has been a busy guy!
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I would be willing to send my D3 to a developer for vivisection IF (!!!) I was guaranteed that he/she could make the potential brick look good for Asurion.
PM me if you want to make preliminary arrangements.
www.KrazyKrivda.com
I would have already wepayed you, but you never responded to my PM.
I just sent $400 with WePay to get KrazyKrivda a D3. I found one on eBay for 379.99. The goal on the WePay site is $500.
$100 to go people! Come on, let's make it happen
Good morning Ladies and Gents,
I'll get to the point, this is a developer site right? Well then my question is why was one of this site's best developers blacklisted from receiving his title as " recognized"? Ladies and Gentlemen this Developer has done more for this forum than anyone, he has carried the phone and I mean phone in all its forms under his wing, and made roms so stable , so fast.. so revolutionary that he has earned his stripes. He spends hours upon hours up answering questions , making instructional videos, talking on the phone or chat, for what? To make sure each persons experience with the Rom, their phone is as it should be... Amazing. I may be rambling to some, but to the others that feel the way I do , its a fact.... WILD CHILD deserves recognition for his innovations that make the phone a conversation piece, a show stopper . Ban me if you must but I'm speaking my opinion , and if that ticks people off oh well .. Bring him back and give him the title he has earned
Signed.
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Co-signed
Why does he need a title for creating roms? Even though you don't see his roms in our forums, he is still doing stuff for the vivid/raider/holiday community.
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It is about recognition. He should be recognized for his efforts by the people who run the site. He is not another poster like me, he is an actual developer and he had earned his title through hard work and endless hours of creation.
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i agree
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It is about recognition. He should be recognized for his efforts by the people who run the site. He is not another poster like me, he is an actual developer and he had earned his title through hard work and endless hours of creation.
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I know what he has done for us thru his work. Did you ever think that maybe he doesn't care about "this status" anymore? I for one think he is much happier on his site not having to worry about the stress and drama that XDA creates.
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I know he is happy on his site but if we are using his work here on this site, wcx recovery, then he should be recognized here for his work.
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I know he is happy on his site but if we are using his work here on this site, wcx recovery, then he should be recognized here for his work.
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You do have a point with that . There is nothing wrong with a good discussion in the morning lol.
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Devs who contribute that much should be recognized so they feel appreciated by everyone who benefits from all the hard work...I know I do and I am relatively new to Android and HTC..but thanks so much for ALL the Devs hard work..
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I know what he has done for us thru his work. Did you ever think that maybe he doesn't care about "this status" anymore? I for one think he is much happier on his site not having to worry about the stress and drama that XDA creates.
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You for one herr Dr. dont know him , i personally know the B.S. this site has laid in his way... and as petty as you seem to think it is, it would mean alot... now go get buknasty lol
Totally agree the amount of support he gives is far above and beyond anything I've ever seen. He was out to dinner and took a phone call to help someone get their phone up and running. He has some tire dedication to his work and it shows in the quality
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he is top notch. I've been around for a good long while. Used his inspire from.. hell my daughter still does. He engages users on every level...not scared to be personal with users.. he is top notch and at the end of the day CUSTOMER satisfaction is paramount to him...that's right I said customer...he treats everyone like they paid 200 bucks for his roms. He is a class act. Plain and simple. His people are loyal to a fault...when I say his people I mean all the members of his forum. We all participate...we all contribute and you'll find that we will all stand up for him. He is more than a developer. Xda should see him for what he is...he should be the benchmark...
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he is top notch. I've been around for a good long while. Used his inspire from.. hell my daughter still does. He engages users on every level...not scared to be personal with users.. he is top notch and at the end of the day CUSTOMER satisfaction is paramount to him...that's right I said customer...he treats everyone like they paid 200 bucks for his roms. He is a class act. Plain and simple. His people are loyal to a fault...when I say his people I mean all the members of his forum. We all participate...we all contribute and you'll find that we will all stand up for him. He is more than a developer. Xda should see him for what he is...he should be the benchmark...
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Spot on!
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Where i greatly appreciate the compliments,as far as xda is concerned byt the last response i got with applying it was a basic none releated to anything i have or havent done here on xda....so basically it was a blow off stating i wasnt qualified or god wnough or hadnt contributed enough to be recognised as a developer here....and thats fine....no worries...this was just another reason to not develope and release on here....i still support other peoplles roms and problems here....but as far as my work goes....its just a title that they felt i wasnt deserving of no matter what i have done....if i can find the email ill post the generic response i got.....
WC
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Thank you for recently applying to be a recognized developer of XDA. We regret to inform you that your application has not be accepted. But don't worry, you can still re-apply starting 1 August using this form.
We cannot accept your application because of one of these reasons:
1) you have made too few posts on XDA......(I had over a thousand posts)
2) while you are a very helpful XDA user (which we appreciate tremendously), we didn't see much actual development coming from you.(ive been releasing since the sony x1 series)
3) we noticed that you have been inactive on XDA for a long time.(I am always on here)
4) your development work has been limited to just a couple of things. Keep it up! We want to make sure that you continue to do great development work.( A couple things?? I release 5-6 ROMS with each device)
5) we decided not to accept those that make icons or themes. We realize that themes and icons take a lot of work, but we're focusing this program on those that are doing other types of development.(I dont make themes)
6) we found you to either have a history with infractions, or you might have been banned in the past for breaking XDA rules/exhibiting bad behavoir.(I had never had an infraction or a warning till this year and it was reversed since 2008)
7) most of your development work comes from an online kitchen. We encourage you to continue to cook ROMs, and to even contribute on a more substantial level to the development of custom ROMs.An online Kitchen? News to me where theres an onlie kitchen that you can cook fully functional tweaked roms)
Again, our purpose in doing this is to not set up an exclusive club, but rather to provide extra privileges to those that are making significant development contributions to the XDA community. We want you to be able to have these privileges, which is why we're happy to re-evaluate your application come 1 August.(CROCK OF BS)
Thank you for your understanding. If you feel that we are mistaken for any reason, or you want more specifics on why we made this choice, please PM me back with subject "Appeal".
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You guys can make up your own minds as to these reasons which do not fit any of my criteria
WC
As a moderator I recently endorsed him being bestowed with the Recognized Developer title. This was done before we became friends, at the time when the forum was going through a lot of turbulence & all the developers were leaving.
The following comments are my own & only represent my views. Yes WC can be hard headed, opinionated & argumentative. That's also probably why we get along, we understand each other.
There are some Cooks that have the RD title that really don't deserve it.
I personally never used anything WCX before the Vivid. Since the Vivid section started having issues with rudeness & kanging I reached out to many of the developers about forming a developmental group & WC was the only person that took the time to respond. Since that time, we have become friends along with J4n87 & together things have been coming together. WC does currently participate in the xda Vivid forum. He answers questions & helps users with tutorials & instructional Videos. You think cooking a rom makes you a developer? No, it does not. For every Vivid related WCX release or rom, there are hours of work & collaboration on many items. Most of the development is done over the phone, gtalk & via email. While I never really used WCX Windows Mobile roms, I was a mod & followed most of the developers & cooks. I just read this response letter & while I do truly love XDA, I feel it is important to make comments in reply to the letter he posted.
You will find my comments below in blue.
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Where i greatly appreciate the compliments,as far as xda is concerned byt the last response i got with applying it was a basic none releated to anything i have or havent done here on xda....so basically it was a blow off stating i wasnt qualified or god wnough or hadnt contributed enough to be recognised as a developer here....and thats fine....no worries...this was just another reason to not develope and release on here....i still support other peoplles roms and problems here....but as far as my work goes....its just a title that they felt i wasnt deserving of no matter what i have done....if i can find the email ill post the generic response i got.....
WC
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Thank you for recently applying to be a recognized developer of XDA. We regret to inform you that your application has not be accepted. But don't worry, you can still re-apply starting 1 August using this form.
We cannot accept your application because of one of these reasons:
1) you have made too few posts on XDA......(I had over a thousand posts)
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WC has been cooking roms & developing items for the roms pre-WM6. I saw his work in the Kaiser, Raphael, Rhodium & Xperia forum threads. I think number of posts is a silly factor. Imagine if pof only had 100 posts, but all of the posts were for S-Off or CID unlock for 100 different devices. Would that not be worthy development? WC has nearly 2500 posts & has averaged nearly 2 posts a day since November 2008.
2) while you are a very helpful XDA user (which we appreciate tremendously), we didn't see much actual development coming from you.(ive been releasing since the sony x1 series)
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As I stated, he has been developing roms since Kaiser at least, but also contributed roms to Xperia, Raphael, Rhodium, Inspire & HD2 forums.
3) we noticed that you have been inactive on XDA for a long time.(I am always on here)
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I see WC contributing in many ways & he has numerous posts that are development related & just generally helpful, answering questions & helping out new users with issues.
4) your development work has been limited to just a couple of things. Keep it up! We want to make sure that you continue to do great development work.( A couple things?? I release 5-6 ROMS with each device)
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A couple of thing? Well, most of the posts are roms, the roms all include other developments (many of which get kang'd) & each of the roms was supported & updated regularly. Unlike some cooks, WC still updates & supports older device roms. Many cooks here just close their thread as soon as they get someone to donate them a new device.
5) we decided not to accept those that make icons or themes. We realize that themes and icons take a lot of work, but we're focusing this program on those that are doing other types of development.(I dont make themes)
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WC does not make themes. His roms are really stock like & made for folks that want to do their own customizations on a solid, high performing base rom. He does not just unzip a rom & remove bloatware, but actually ports items from other devices he works on & adds perfomance enhancing tweaks & mods. His roms are not flashy like some of the early RD cooks, but they work as well & much of the time even better. I also love that I don't have to have some cooks gaudy graphics & his name all over my device & boot screen.
6) we found you to either have a history with infractions, or you might have been banned in the past for breaking XDA rules/exhibiting bad behavoir.(I had never had an infraction or a warning till this year and it was reversed since 2008)
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I looked. There are no infractions. There was one this year that was given in error because of a mistake a mod made & it was overturned & deleted by the issuing mod. The only thing I can think of is that I know there was a disagreement between WC & one of the flashy Cooks/Mods. While this person makes pretty roms, they always left a lot of orphaned files & registry entries behind.
7) most of your development work comes from an online kitchen. We encourage you to continue to cook ROMs, and to even contribute on a more substantial level to the development of custom ROMs.An online Kitchen? News to me where theres an onlie kitchen that you can cook fully functional tweaked roms)
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This one really upsets me, as It is a flat out lie. If you go through WC's posts, you can see him starting out & inquiring on how to manually port XIP & SYS files questions about other areas of development. None of the roms I dl'd & looked at were cooked using the Modaco online kitchen.
Again, our purpose in doing this is to not set up an exclusive club, but rather to provide extra privileges to those that are making significant development contributions to the XDA community. We want you to be able to have these privileges, which is why we're happy to re-evaluate your application come 1 August.(CROCK OF BS)
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Yes, WC does not boast about all of the work that goes into the devices he works on & he doesn't do it all himself. However, there are many things that he has ported from one of the devices in his collection to another that has been of benefit. He ported some thermal related libraries & drivers from the LG Nitro HD to the Vivid & that is one of the reasons his roms don't suffer the thermal heat issues that many of the other do. Yes, the posts just look like a rom release because he isn't bragging about the mods & that is partly out of humility & partly out of the fact that people don't ask permission & hate giving credit & just kang anything that is new.
I'd also like to point out that when I first went to the Android OS, I had an Inspire that was my gal's. I found the WCX Inspire rom & contacted WC. He called me on the phone & walked me through a few issues. He stayed on the phone with me from unlock/s-off, all the way to flashing the WCX Inspire rom. We probably talked for 90 minutes.
I'd also like to add that all of the development work I have done with the mod & the Tweaks app, probably never would have been done without WC working with me & j4n87. There are a lot of things going on development-wise for the Vivid that are not known yet & that are being developed via gtalk & email & if it weren't for a few bad eggs, WCX roms & development would be back here at xda. The WCX site is a smal non-commercial site that primarily serves a place to host the rom downloads. I would like to see him receive RD status & back here with XDA as a primary outlet for his work. Respect is the only thing I can see that is preventing that from happening. Users are disrespectful & to not be recognized for his work is just one more slap in the face, the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.
Thank you for your understanding. If you feel that we are mistaken for any reason, or you want more specifics on why we made this choice, please PM me back with subject "Appeal".
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You guys can make up your own minds as to these reasons which do not fit any of my criteria
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Wow... Just wow. I'm speechless.
All I can come up with is to thank you both for everything!
Well that and I truly hope you guys have the best recoveries possible.
heres a perfect example....4 hr phone call for tech support for user kelnhofer,then another 30 min call while out too dinner with him again.....smh....
WC
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heres a perfect example....4 hr phone call for tech support for user kelnhofer,then another 30 min call while out too dinner with him again.....smh....
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hahaha, that's dedication, mobile tech support
"Senior member" lol, didn't even realized it doesn't say dev, wtf... I have your roms like 3 yrs ago on my tilt2... And who are those "developer committee" anyways? other devs?
You, sir are definitely a dev for me, don't care what xda says!
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its known that development for our phone is difficult due to lack of hardware sources...still developers are trying to port things up for this...
but its been a quite long time since in the development thread almost all roms are in beta stage..they are reaching to usable stage...I would request devs to speed up the process and please dont put everything under beta for long periods...
I guess that everyone works with blood sweat and tears on their roms. Just have some patience...
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To be honest, very few number of people use this phone... Its not as popular as S3 or S2 (thats the main drawback of most mid range phones)
And out of all those users, only a very few number of people have knowledge about Android (aka the developers).... And since we're always busy with our lives, jobs, exams, classes, etc. So no one can give complete attention to all this...
Yes, after the JB update - this phone got a boost in a "Development" point of view... I mean we now have more ROMs, themes, Mods, etc... But i believe that all we need are more experienced developers (and users) to help the existing developers and contribute something to this phone's dev support...
As Shaaan said, we are all good at something... So why not form a team and utilize it for better and faster development process for this phone
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its known that development for our phone is difficult due to lack of hardware sources...still developers are trying to port things up for this...
but its been a quite long time since in the development thread almost all roms are in beta stage..they are reaching to usable stage...I would request devs to speed up the process and please dont put everything under beta for long periods...
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I would demand from you to learn to develop, and make all that betas to be final. How that sounds? You would do that in the speed of the light.
And please turn on the brain for little time and see that all those beta ROMs are mods of CM, that is in beta stage. And we do not have sources to fix all the bugs fast.
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^ What he said, if you can't wait for it, do it yourself.
Tired of this kind of people who can't contribute something other than demanding. Maybe if you can ''DONATE'' thats the least you can do rather than learning how to develop instead of posting nonsense. Ok? Just a suggestion bro.
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nobody is expecting to get something done with the speed of light ....i am just saying that if some project is started wait for the final version should not be this long and cm10.1 was started months ago still no final version then whats the point of starting new projects based on that... as far as time availability i concerned nobody is forcing anyone to start a new stuff and hang up in beta they have their own will to do that...and the one who is tired of people like me i would humbly request you to not comment rather you should contribute community needs you....commenting will make you feel tired...
that was an opinion if you are really hurt by that...please learn to look at things differently
This guy is real piece of work....
Do you even know what beta means ?? If devs hold on to the project until its final, how the hell would they get people to test it ???
As for how long a beta takes, you are in no position to demand anything. Dev's work for free to give you a better phone experience, if you want things done fast, grab a pile of you own money, pay a bunch of people to develop something for you. Whenever someone is doing free work for you, the right thing to do is keep you head down and be grateful that they even share their work with you for free.
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This guy is real piece of work....
Do you even know what beta means ?? If devs hold on to the project until its final, how the hell would they get people to test it ???
As for how long a beta takes, you are in no position to demand anything. Dev's work for free to give you a better phone experience, if you want things done fast, grab a pile of you own money, pay a bunch of people to develop something for you. Whenever someone is doing free work for you, the right thing to do is keep you head down and be grateful that they even share their work with you for free.
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so now you will tell me what beta means go mate you have more important work to do...
let this forum be what it should be...dont make it a ground for useless arguements...i had an opinion now dont be a teacher here,,
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nobody is expecting to get something done with the speed of light ....i am just saying that if some project is started wait for the final version should not be this long and cm10.1 was started months ago still no final version then whats the point of starting new projects based on that... as far as time availability i concerned nobody is forcing anyone to start a new stuff and hang up in beta they have their own will to do that...and the one who is tired of people like me i would humbly request you to not comment rather you should contribute community needs you....commenting will make you feel tired...
that was an opinion if you are really hurt by that...please learn to look at things differently
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How can you even expect CM10.1 to work. It's 4.2 based... damn...
And no one says you can't give your opinion, it's just the way you said it. With your post you insulted everyone trying to work on CM etc because according to YOU the development doesn't go as fast as you want.
And don't say: don't play teacher on me I just have an opinion. Because I AM a damn teacher and you need to be taught some patience...
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LOL to those who can't wait. Buy a new phone, more popular ones. Then enjoy it to your heart content. End of story.
There will be more beta's then there will be rc's before final version. If you can't wait, might as well consider buying other device. Your choice. No argument here
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its known that development for our phone is difficult due to lack of hardware sources...still developers are trying to port things up for this...
but its been a quite long time since in the development thread almost all roms are in beta stage..they are reaching to usable stage...I would request devs to speed up the process and please dont put everything under beta for long periods...
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Please delete this thread. The pointless character of it is beyond any measure.
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Too much fail in this thread
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