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[PRJ] New Hard SPL tool

I'm starting a bounty for a new Hard SPL tool. We need one that will be free with no stipulations to the community. I don't mean to offend or provoke anyone here, but at this point we have a "donation" only SPL unlocker for a device that is aging rapidly.The majority of people with problems are posting in that thread about having to pay on their first unlock. Contacting the support website there is kind of hit and miss.
I appreciate everything that cmonex and olipro have done for this community. I hold no grudge against them for this. I know that life gets in the way. However, there were ways to prevent the problems. They could have recruited someone to fill in for them who would actually be in this thread as well as over on the htc-unlocks website who could provide support to the folks who use this software.
The Touch Pro2 is over a year old and is showing its age. We shouldn't be paying to unlock such an old device anymore. Even carriers are phasing out the device. It would be of more benefit to the community as a whole to have an unlocker that is free from any limitations to unlock, free to use with no stipulations, and free from cloud based personal information storing.
I donated $10 when I first got my TP2 in the mail and unlocked it. I wasn't required to do by the software, but I did because this is where it all begins in regards to flashing literally ANYTHING on our devices. I respect their work, but forcing users to pay and then not helping with the problems is not acceptable by me.
With that being said, I'm proposing a collaboration of folks from this forum to come up with a new Hard SPL, or, at the very least, work around the "donation" system of the former tool.
I, myself, am not as skilled in scripting as most users on here, so I'm posting this as a request for assistance. Think of this as a virtual drawing board for you guys to help with.
I'm attaching all the info I can find to the first few posts here so we can get the ball rolling. I am really hoping to attract a few people who know how to code programs. I would also hope to get the attention of someone who has the older version of the software that did not connect to the Internet to provide an unlock.
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The bounty could also be given to anyone who could make a RUU that will flash custom ROMs. There is a thread in the HD2 forum HERE about it.
There is a thread HERE for the Wizard that seems to let you extract the SPL from the device. If we could extract the current Hard SPL from the devices, then we would also have ourselves a free version.
I think there would be more motivation if there was a bounty on this. I'll put up $10 to start us off. This way it will be actual donations. If cmonex or olipro make there unlockers free, then what say we just give them the bounty, eh? That way this is completely fair. Either someone else makes a Hard SPL unlocker and they get the cash, or cmonex and olipro get one last lump payment for the community to benefit from.
Bounty donators:
cajunflavoredbob - $10
JVH3 - $10
F2504x4 - $10
DJ_MiX -$15
grifter024 - $10
overtheair - $10
Running Total - $65
Users we've PM'd for assistance so far:
dotcompt, Jackos, NRGZ28, seeM_ZA, Sergio76, bepe

Pledge of $10 toward the bounty
I am pledging $10 toward the bounty.
Real hope for me is that OliPro and cmonex just make it free and get rid of the donation as a requirement to use it.
[EDIT] Adding one caveat to my pledge. Work must be completed prior to December 31st, 2011. That gives over 1 year. Considering that HardSPL is normally available pretty fast after a phone is released, this should not be a problem.

Here is My Pledge of $10 as well..

It seems that some phones can be flased with out Hard-SPL
This will not currently work on the Tilt but maybe give us another direction to explore
HTC Leo: HD2 > HD2 ROM Development
[SSPL] HowTo flash cooked ROM without HSPL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=606713

JVH3 said:
I am pledging $10 toward the bounty.
Real hope for me is that OliPro and cmonex just make it free and get rid of the donation as a requirement to use it.
[EDIT] Adding one caveat to my pledge. Work must be completed prior to December 31st, 2011. That gives over 1 year. Considering that HardSPL is normally available pretty fast after a phone is released, this should not be a problem.
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F2504x4 said:
It seems that some phones can be flased with out Hard-SPL
This will not currently work on the Tilt but maybe give us another direction to explore
HTC Leo: HD2 > HD2 ROM Development
[SSPL] HowTo flash cooked ROM without HSPL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=606713
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Added your pledges to the first post. Added the link about the SSPL RUU to the first post as well. I agree that I wish cnomex and olipro just make it free now, but if not, hopefully we can spur others into looking into this. If they remove the payment system from theirs, then the bounty belongs to them, however. I'm just trying to keep it fair for the developers AND the users.

I pledge a $15 bounty for HardSPL CDMA
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$30 for CDMA sim Unlocker

Documentation on how to create a HardSPL
I think it would also be great if whoever does this, provides some clear instructions on how it was done.
Or the source code to generate it.
That way, it can be used as a base for HardSPL for future devices.
Not sure if we want to make that a requirement of the bounty or not.

JVH3 said:
I think it would also be great if whoever does this, provides some clear instructions on how it was done.
Or the source code to generate it.
That way, it can be used as a base for HardSPL for future devices.
Not sure if we want to make that a requirement of the bounty or not.
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It would really depend on how much it would be of use to WP7 devices as this is the only one I've seen that has a payment system, and there aren't anymore WM6.5 devices coming out. I don't know enough about the SPLs to be able to make that call, but I would hope that if a new one is created, the source would be provided. I'm more interested in resolving the never-ending struggle of lack of support on the paid model. If they would simply do away with the paid Hard SPL system, there would be no problems in that thread other than users who forget to disable antivirus software...
The bottom line is that we just wanted support for the paid software we were using. Since that isn't happening, we're driven to this front. We now want it to be open to the community with no reservations.
EDIT: Vote this to the front page for more attention to the matter. The link to vote is on the right side of the header above post #1. Anyone viewing this should help spread the word. Pass the message along to any other active threads that you're involved in. We need to get this as much attention as possible to either get some assistance in its development or have cmonex and olipro release a true free version.

Thinking this link might be helpful:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279804
Although it is not for this device, I think some concepts might be similar.
I think it may let us extract HardSPL from our phone.
Then, reapply it without a need to use anything else.
Once we have that, it becomes free.

hi sorry if i interrupt this, but, you dont have to make a donation in order to get a hard-spl. you just have to get a ticket, and soon or later, they will enable you to do that, and im talking of this because that recently happen( the only thing that its painful its the wait time... almost 1month in order to get it, but i get it!)

JVH3 said:
Thinking this link might be helpful:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279804
Although it is not for this device, I think some concepts might be similar.
I think it may let us extract HardSPL from our phone.
Then, reapply it without a need to use anything else.
Once we have that, it becomes free.
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Added to first post. Good info. Too bad the thread didn't last longer.
jeanmichel6 said:
hi sorry if i interrupt this, but, you dont have to make a donation in order to get a hard-spl. you just have to get a ticket, and soon or later, they will enable you to do that, and im talking of this because that recently happen( the only thing that its painful its the wait time... almost 1month in order to get it, but i get it!)
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Opening tickets has been hit and miss for most people having problems. Users are being forced into purchasing the tool because of a lack of support from the creators. No one is upset that they created the tool, just at the lack of support on it. You said yourself that you had to wait a month to get a response. Why not just open the application up for anyone to use as it is on nearly every other device in this forum? The Rhodium is aging quickly. There are fewer and fewer new users with this device. For them to still be charging for it is kind of ridiculous now. That's the purpose of this thread is to encourage collaboration of the users here into developing a truly free version with no hiccups or workarounds needed to eliminate the need for an entire thread dedicated to support questions where the answer is likely to be, "donate 4GBP and it'll work."

Same issue here with getting new phone back from warranty. Already "donated" 4x's for my family's phones. Started a ticket explaining the warranty/new phone situation and now has been 3 weeks with no response. Stock ROM on the phone kept freezing several times a day and phone was pretty useless. Could not wait any longer so "donated" again, restarted hardsplash process again and it let me right through and unlocked phone.
Pretty rude not to respond to "customers" and bad for business. At least put on their website clearly stated that 'you must pay to unlock your phone each time!'

Once someone says they have started development on a new FREE hardspl I will donate 10$....
I would also hope that the mods delete the old hardspl so noone gets suckered into paying for something that should have always been free.

grifter024 said:
Once someone says they have started development on a new FREE hardspl I will donate 10$....
I would also hope that the mods delete the old hardspl so noone gets suckered into paying for something that should have always been free.
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Point of a bounty is to pledge that you will donate once it is complete.
Not to donate before then.
Nothing is donated until it is completed.
But, once completed, all those that pledged to donate, make their donations to whoever completed it.
It is not enforcable, but, it is a commitment. And people remember when a pledge is made, but not paid.
Is the $10 you mentioned a pledge to donate when it is completed or made free to all?

You act like I wont donate the money IF it comes out....it would be a suprise if someone made a new hardspl for an old phone but it would make me happy since I usually keep my phone for a long time...
I had my shadow/juno all the way up until I think 08....then the screen started going white and I didnt feel like taking it apart just to fix it but it was a good phone.
I dont usually make it a point to check the site every day but I come back from time to time when I feel like it's time to mess with my phone some more. I will probably check back in Dec and if I am late to throw my money into the pot once its completed I say sorry now so as not to make tensions flare.
Hell I would drop another 10 IF the new hardspl comes out and the mods DELETE NOT lock the other hardspl from cmo/oli.

You guys are more than welcome to donate on your own terms, but I'm just going to keep a running total of all donations offered in the first post. The conditions I originally posted for collecting the bounty were someone making a new HSPL tool, modding the original one to be standalone, or olipro/cmonex making the original one free. If someone clears one of those three conditions, I think they should get the bounty. If anyone has any objection to that, or something to add, let me know.
EDIT: Make sure you guys are doing some PR work to get this thing out there, please. Feel free to add this thread to your sig, or comment about it in other threads (albeit subtly). Most of us who are pledging donations so far are have already got our devices HSPL'd. This is for the benefit of the community as a whole. While not as many are doing so, there are still new users popping up everyday with new TP2's in their hands asking for help. We're doing this for them.

jeanmichel6 said:
hi sorry if i interrupt this, but, you dont have to make a donation in order to get a hard-spl. you just have to get a ticket, and soon or later, they will enable you to do that, and im talking of this because that recently happen( the only thing that its painful its the wait time... almost 1month in order to get it, but i get it!)
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That is not correct. I have an outstanding ticket for over 5 months. No reply.

cajunflavoredbob said:
That's the purpose of this thread is to encourage collaboration of the users here into developing a truly free version with no hiccups or workarounds needed to eliminate the need for an entire thread dedicated to support questions where the answer is likely to be, "donate 4GBP and it'll work."
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I've paid/donated 4GBP six times in the last couple of months as I've been unlocking TP2s for friends. Yesterday for the first time, the Hard SPL tool failed to work after submitting the payment. I contacted the support email address and attached my PayPal payment receipt ... but of course no response.
Add my $10 pledge to the bounty pool.

cajunflavoredbob said:
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EDIT: Make sure you guys are doing some PR work to get this thing out there, please. Feel free to add this thread to your sig, or comment about it in other threads (albeit subtly). Most of us who are pledging donations so far are have already got our devices HSPL'd. This is for the benefit of the community as a whole. While not as many are doing so, there are still new users popping up everyday with new TP2's in their hands asking for help. We're doing this for them.
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I tried to retweet your tweet last night, but it was too long once RT and @CFB_XDA was added to the tweet. I was at a stop light at the time and did not try further once I was driving.

JVH3 said:
I tried to retweet your tweet last night, but it was too long once RT and @CFB_XDA was added to the tweet. I was at a stop light at the time and did not try further once I was driving.
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Yea, please don't get into a wreck. lol I wonder if we could get some chefs to support this?

Update On Bootloader/ Dev Cable/ Nvflash etc...

Ok from the recent accumulation of information, lots of confusion, and lots of false info, i have seen on here finally has made me to decide to post here again in order to help clean up all of the rumors and such and give an update on the status of unlocking the device...
1. Bootloaders- are locked and as of now will be for the forseable future bearing we don't get some of the info we need one being the proper sbk. there are other methods we have been working on but i guess the easy way of putting it is we have gotten to all the final doors and have all the tools , how ever the locks on these final doors are at this point still un-pickable. My current suggestion for anyone wanting to help, unless you are a good crypto guy , in which case by all means message me, for the rest of you our best bet is a hot chic a tight dress and a even better B - to some one that has access of some of the stuff we need if you cant offer any of these things than just be patient so that next time i dont have to write this and once again we wont have to publish what we are doing for everyone to read and defend against, before we are ready too!! Remember they don't document online how the built the lock , so we should not publish how we want to dismantle it until it is done!!
2. Nvflash - Yes it exists on our devices, yes it can be accessed , yes you need a Dev. cable to do so. Yes using it theoretically we could re flash our devices with unsecured images , yes with it I could make our devices free , How ever this all being said there is a problem currently, and that is that its is signed with a sbk value, this value is unknown to us it is a AES key and is in this format 0x00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000. With out knowing the value of this key anything anyone wants to tell you about nvflash is complete and entire BS!! You can not even read from the device, any command that is sent via nvflash will return an error and than disable the connection to the device in order to prevent a brute force attack. Find us this key by sleeping with the enemy i will give you an unlocked device by tomorrow
3. Dev Cable- Yes they exist, yes you can make your own, You need to send 5v to pin 4 also known as the id pin, the battery must be removed from the device when using this cable, you will plug it into your phone hold the vol - button and goto nvflash mode than your computer can see it as well as nvflash. Is there any need for you to have this cable ? As of now probably not, as there is not much you can do with this cable unless you have a dead or damaged battery and need to reflash a sbf to fix your phone so that you can than charge your battery again. And yes TBH is offering to sell you one of these cables for $50, if that seems to be a fair price to you and do not wish to make your own and do have a use for a cable that as of now is not helping a retail atrix to much than by all means order one from there web page.
Anyhow despite our lack of posting here on XDA there are a few of us that still dedicate our time everyday to this ... We are not constantly updating people here because A) Anything less than a guide on how to unlock your device is a disappointment, B) We do not think that making our info publicly available would be beneficial to anyone, and increases the likely hood of a patch or block attempt. C) Its not a oh were almost there type of operation, there is no clear cut path. Anyhow i Hope this helps clear up info and stops foolish attempts and ridiculous comments lies and posts like i have seen the past week, keep faith and enjoy your device as is its a great devices just severely crippled thanks to AT&T thats right AT&T so if your board write to them, call them, sign the patition, file a complaint to FTC blog about it and from now on only buy devices listed like here, http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/root_friendly
Have a Great DAY!!

This wake up call is very much appreciated! Thank you, sir!!

Thank you for the update.

I believe that this has been a much needed post, but please clean up the language.
Thank you.
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Thank you for the good information! I'll be quite happy with my GingerBlur in the meantime.

I got fiiiiive on it
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sifon187 said:
time to start the bounty for the hooker.
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I'm in for $10.

frankiedizzle87 said:
Language is real talk speak how u want we grown
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Like many, I am exposed to this kind of language on a daily basis. Like few, I understand the importance of a clean, inviting community for all ages. Now, I am only sixteen, but real adults speak politely, with manners and respect. Such ideals are hard to come by these days, even in the adult community. I am just making whatever menial effort I can to keep these forums clean and inviting for all age groups and backgrounds.
Thank you.

EricHegnes said:
Like many, I am exposed to this kind of language on a daily basis. Like few, I understand the importance of a clean, inviting community for all ages. Now, I am only sixteen, but real adults speak politely, with manners and respect. Such ideals are hard to come by these days, even in the adult community. I am just making whatever menial effort I can to keep these forums clean and inviting for all age groups and backgrounds.
Thank you.
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But its not for all age groups...these forums are for the hardcore modders and devs. If you don't like the way he talks don't read it
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EricHegnes said:
Like many, I am exposed to this kind of language on a daily basis. Like few, I understand the importance of a clean, inviting community for all ages. Now, I am only sixteen, but real adults speak politely, with manners and respect. Such ideals are hard to come by these days, even in the adult community. I am just making whatever menial effort I can to keep these forums clean and inviting for all age groups and backgrounds.
Thank you.
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i'm 10 years older and i speak however the situation requires. not everyone has to be polite and cordial 100% of the time; in fact the internet is probably the least likely place you will find that. if there's a problem, tell the mods or report the thread. citizen's policing will often just lead to backlash.
anyway, i suggest we sticky this thread to the top of the forum.

Developers rarely speak curiously our sometimes even understandably. So asking devs to speak in your preferred style will likely lead to devs ignoring you or walking away. They're very fickle that way.
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raybond25 said:
we either need to find an insecure female motorola employee and worm the SBK out of her, or we need to hire a really hot hooker to get it from one of the motorola tech devs.
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Lets spend that $2700 bounty on a hooker
ON TOPIC: Best of luck to the devs I'll be waiting here patiently..

With all that being said... back to the subject people Thanks for the update t0dbld! I, like many others who have this beast of a phone, will continue to patiently wait while the devs (who are working hard) try to get this thing handled!

Attention Mods: Could this be stickied in an effort to stop anymore pointless bootloader threads? Keep it updated with any news of bootloader unlock efforts.

Thanks for the update devs.

Come on guys, we all know there is no women in computers. Well not hot desperate ones anyway.

sifon187 said:
Come on guys, we all know there is no women in computers. Well not hot desperate ones anyway.
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who said they had to be hot....? someone could take one for the team.
that being said - thanks for the post t0bold, we know you're doing what you do elsewhere so you don't get flamed hard by the naysayers, and we support you guys.

raybond25 said:
who said they had to be hot....? someone could take one for the team.
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You get on with taking one for the team bud. ;D
that being said - thanks for the post t0bold, we know you're doing what you do elsewhere so you don't get flamed hard by the naysayers, and we support you guys.
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Ontopic: Great post t0bold, it was definitely needed. I am hoping the sbk gets leaked from Moto. But I doubt that will happen, but you never know.

raybond25 said:
if anyone got the sbk like that they would be my hero, ahahaha.
although, if anyone got it using any method they'd probably still be my hero, but that one would be so much more awesome.
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Lol they'd be the keymaster lmao
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Apart from the sbk what would you need?

[Contribution] Buying extra Motorola Atrix phones for ROM creator devs

Greetings everyone,
Well, Please know that I'm just placing an idea here and it's up for discuss before executing.
We (Users) sometime see those new atrix roms posted here and we think.. Oh! I don't want to flash a new rom now because I need my phone up and running or because we don't have the time.. But... I was just thinking then how it is for the devs??!
I'm talking especially about Ririal and Kennethpenn. Wouldn't it be easier and more convenience for them to have another Atrix phone beside theirs to crap the hell out of it testing new things for next rom changes and added features for all of us? + It still makes a nice gift for all the great work they have done here for all of us.
I was thinking that a new off-contact Atrix 4G at amazon wireless costs $600 USD.
So if we said each contribution is $20. then we need 30 donations each to buy an Atrix. 60 to buy two, for Riral and Kennethpenn.
That is just one suggestion on how donations are divided. I'd like members opinions as well Riral's and Kennethpenn's response about the idea.
Thanks.

I think its a great idea/gesture. I just wish I had done money to donate. Switching jobs now. Hopefully I'll be able to contribute soon.
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We have 2 extra in the office that I will talk to my boss about letting go for less than 600. Ill reply back later with the price
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I would much rather get it into the hands of people like Quarx, who are working on 2nd Init or the Devs who think they might have a chance to bypass or crack the bootloader. Like the guy that cracked the Xperia X10 bootloader.

ikenley said:
I would much rather get it into the hands of people like Quarx, who are working on 2nd Init or the Devs who think they might have a chance to bypass or crack the bootloader. Like the guy that cracked the Xperia X10 bootloader.
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I'm with you on this one. Most of the guys here probably have a backup phone to use if things go downhill while deving.

What a nice gesture, guys. This is really kind of you to think about.
However, I strongly reject the idea that any Atrix devs need an extra phone. With the exception of kholk, who is working hard on the bootloader (if he's still working on it), none of us are at risk for bricking our devices. Save your money or donate to the themers and MOD creators instead.
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kennethpenn said:
What a nice gesture, guys. This is really kind of you to think about.
However, I strongly reject the idea that any Atrix devs need an extra phone. With the exception of kholk, who is working hard on the bootloader (if he's still working on it), none of us are at risk for bricking our devices. Save your money or donate to the themers and MOD creators instead.
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He has a dev atrix and a couple of guinea pigs already, still actively working on it.

well i want to get the evo 3d but im stuck on a 2 year contract so if I sell the phone for 600 i can pay 300 to cancel contract and 200 for the evo 3d...hm oh wellz. XD

We need here TripNRaver
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=2689951
Best ROM developer on Xperia X10 and since x10 has an locked bootloader I think atrix is like this phone.

Alejandrissimo said:
We need here TripNRaver
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=2689951
Best ROM developer on Xperia X10 and since x10 has an locked bootloader I think atrix is like this phone.
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Almost all bootloaders are locked. Its the signing/encrypting that is the problem not the lock.

Appreciate the gesture guys. The kind of work we do, at it's worst, will require a reflash. While a second device would be nice to have (Atrix is my main device, so every time I mess up I get to wipe all personal settings ), it's not really needed. If you want to contribute, the donations you guys already send us are more than enough.

Thank you. it was just an idea.
Because we know how it must suck to have your device offline and in the bed-test for too long in order to bring those goodies for us.
I hope you guys will continue supporting the Atrix after a method to bypass the bootloader is achieved. It must be a harder work if it was a full-featured rom, so maybe we will re-open this subject then.
Thanks.

Well if new phones do come out, some employees at certian national retailers do get discounts on phones. I know at some places this can be $200. Where I work the atrix was about $200 off for an off-contract phone. So if in the furture a new phone does come out that the devs need then it might be a good idea to try that route. Also, since it is considered a "gift" than it should not be breaking any internal rules of any kind.

I donated to tenfar specifically so he could get a phone. anyone know if he still around?
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Gutterball said:
Almost all bootloaders are locked. Its the signing/encrypting that is the problem not the lock.
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yep x10 is signed/encrypted just like Atrix and now x10 has nice gingerbread roms, MIUI and CM

Alejandrissimo said:
yep x10 is signed/encrypted just like Atrix and now x10 has nice gingerbread roms, MIUI and CM
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Partially true. The security on the x10 is very different than the security on the Atrix. Motorola seem to be the only people who are able to do it properly

Support Legend Developers?

Hi all,
This is my first post, although I have been following the group for a long time. My post is motivated by the observation that a massive imbalance exists, particularily in the Legend development community.
There is a huge mass of non-contributing users badgering a small group of hard-working developers, whilst free-loading off the many hours they spend trying to improve the Legend for all of us. (BTW - I'm not pointing any fingers that don't equally apply to myself!) The value of the hours they are putting in is huge, and the return amounts only to the occational humble click of a thanks button.
I have written to the XDA owners and proposed that they implement a system whereby users can donate to a specific thread, and that each month the proceeds of thoses donations are distributed to posters according to the distribution of new "thanks" clicks to them. Unfortunately I have not heard anything in reply, so in the meantime I propose that we start here in the Legend development forum in a less systematic way.
For example; all of us eagerly following ogo2's thread on his Alpha rom should support how we can. We have all heard BlaYO's hesitance to get too involved in that he needs another Legend to do development work on, as he can't render his own out of service for days on end. Absolutely fair point. I would suggest that all active developers in here create a donation account somewhere so that the rest of us ungrateful, free-loading scavengers (again, myself included, and meant in the most positive way! ) can contribute.
Let's get BlaYO a second development Legend, or ogo2 some resources on Linux compilation etc. It's the least we can do, even if we are just selfishly offering to help them, help us
It would not take much, and I am quite certain that anyone who can afford a Legend can also afford to donate $10-20 now and then. What a small price to pay for all the hours that our devs spend working to bring all of us the latest and greatest. Let's give something back!

There were a bunch of users that actually donated to my PayPal account (a few months ago I didn't believe this could happen by the way).
I'd personally object to such a system for various reasons, the main one being complication of something which is a pretty simple in fact: You like the work of someone, you donate (or buy).
Moreover, there are a few CM developers whose work on their device (which happens to use an msm7227 chipset) directly influences the Legend too and therefore my work as well. They are not active in the Legend forum though.
So what I basically want to say: There's a lot of work going on – not hours but weeks – which you might never see because these almost unmoderated boards here are full of you-name-it and every CM developer I know pretty much dislikes XDA for that very reason.
You don't see us (40+ developers) working, but that doesn't mean we aren't.
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Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.

ali ba said:
Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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Is this meaning that the new CM7s will have the new kernel?
By the way, what was modified in the kernel source so the tiwlan didn't compile normaly?

I don't need a new Legend, I just need some peace...

There you go
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I don't need a new Legend, I just need some peace...
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Peace be with you

Hmmm... OK, I get that my proposal could have some shortcomings, however the intent is good. It's great to hear that users donated to your Paypal, Ali Ba, perhaps other devs should just publish Paypal details too, and users can direct donations to where they feel they are most deserved?
It is not meant to be fair compensation for the numerous hours spent, as the basic principles of community development should still be the driving force. It could, however, be a token of appreciation from those unable to contribute in any other way.
I can't help but feel that there would be more devs involved with more and faster progress as a consequence, if only there was a little reward in there too. Surely that would be in everybodies interest.
In any event, I offer my thanks to all the devs here, and I would be happy to back that up with a contribution, should you decide to go that way

ali ba said:
Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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I was working on getting wl12xx driver working with 2.6.32 kernel but I didn't succeed yet. Is there a reason not to switch to wl12xx driver instead? It also provides soft AP support int the same driver.
Regarding donations, it would be nice if I could donate you via Google checkout.
Thanks.

Yea leave Blay0 alone man, He's getting enough hassle on the Alpha thread as it is! people say they'd like to help then just request more things like a2sd,overclocked kernel etc.If you know anything about linux try helping by trying to build drivers for the last 2 bits (i.e Bluetooth,wifi)

I must say also that there were individuals who offered me donations which I respectfully refused and instead apoint those guys to their nearest charity. I'm not doing this for money (I make money doing other things) I'm just doing it coz I like to know how things work and I always like to learn new things. So if I become bored those donations definitely won't convince me to keep on doing it.
Don't you guys ever think that I'm doing all this for you! Noooope! I'm doing it for me and my own satisfaction. Yes, that's right I'm actualy a selfish, egoistic basterd but in a process of achieving my own goals (which are also inspired by some of your suggestions) I'm really happy if someone else learn something from me. They are few but it doesn't matter... they will definitelly pass on their knowledge and that's important coz I believe knowledge is universal and must be available to anyone willing to accept it and you cannot charge for that.
Don't kidd yourselves, this Legend thingie will be among us at most for another year and then it will get its successors and its community will become even smaller and eventually it will be disbanded and some of us will find new projects, learnig new thing and again passing on all the gained knowledge.

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Don't kidd yourselves, this Legend thingie will be among us at most for another year.
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A whole year is an optimistic approach
The main problem in the development of the HTC Legend is the device itself. It's a rare phone, and pretty much a very small group of people is using it. That also makes the group of talented developers thinner. Look at the Hero or SGS forums topic/post count. Sure - most of them are retarded, and previously answered questions, but still folks in the dev section are coding some crazy and amazing stuff. That's because those devices where popular and successful. The HTC Legend was ment to be the successor of the HTC Hero, but this ain't gonna happen. Nobody will remember this phone in a year or two. That's of course HTCs fault, not ours.
Also mentioning all the request, demands and stupid questions in the dev forum - this forum is not that bad
Go check the Nexus S section. For example the NexusSense topic (my girlfriend got a Nexus so I'm somewhat interested). Now that's pure fukcin massacre out there
Greets!
Sent from my HTC Legend using XDA Premium App

cyRq said:
A whole year is an optimistic approach
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Agreed, I thought Legend was a kickass sucessor, but very few people actually bought it...I've deserted to Desire S, but I think that's a very similar case so far anyways...
But back on topic: The thing is, everyone has an interest in what he's doing and unless he has a gain from that work he wouldn't be doing it But the idea of donating is noble ofcourse
Let's support our developers by not asking stupid and obvious questions, using search button, hitting that freakin' "thanks" button as often as we can, and most importantly by using our own brains to gain even more from their work

Dr.Romca said:
Let's support our developers by not asking stupid and obvious questions, using search button, hitting that freakin' "thanks" button as often as we can, and most importantly by using our own brains to gain even more from their work
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Amen! (10char )

Agree with the great Dr!
PLUS This is a General thread so should be in the general section.....Threads should go into the right forums for a start! Hate to think how many threads there are in the wrong place :/

XDA = eBay moneymaking source :(

Just want to share listings which i found :
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270904716829&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:GB:1123
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HTC-SENSA...52440?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item1c233afbf8
They are not a XDA devs but they use XDA and another forum as source to make money.
People stay away from them. Devs are only the one who should have profits from their hard work in my opinion. Also theirs prices are so high for things which Devs share for free with all of us.

That's such a piss take

40 for that ?! Haha what a joke.

XDA should ban them!!

I dont think anything is wrong with it. They have taken the time to research and learn how to root and install custom roms. Some people cant comprehend or are just scared to do it themselves. I also imagine that the people who want a custom rom and are afraid to do it themselves have already come accross XDA, but still cant do it.
Although it sounds expensive to us, to some people might justify it, and the people who are doing it, should get paid for their time.
Edit: Although I do agree that the Devs should get a donation for their work.

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I dont think anything is wrong with it. They have taken the time to research and learn how to root and install custom roms. Some people cant comprehend or are just scared to do it themselves. I also imagine that the people who want a custom rom and are afraid to do it themselves have already come accross XDA, but still cant do it.
Although it sounds expensive to us, to some people might justify it, and the people who are doing it, should get paid for their time.
Edit: Although I do agree that the Devs should get a donation for their work.
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Then you are no better than them....
Have a good day.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using xda premium

I could look at this two ways.
Initial impressions were "OMFG... stealing hacks"
But then if they offer a guaranteed assurance that if it bricks, your covered, then I think £40 is fair enough.
I wouldn't mind paying £40 for a guaranteed root. It's sensible.

seems fair enough to me......
i cant see the problem myself. its not as if people are been forced to use the service. the only reason i wont root is i just know i'll brick my phone. i simply dont have time to read countless pages on how to do it, and after spending too much time messing about on my hd2, i dont think the better half would be as forgiving again. so, £40 for a service which i'd quiet like but i'll NEVER do myself seems pretty good to me. as for people shouting for them to be banned from xda......just LOL.........

donwhann said:
i cant see the problem myself. its not as if people are been forced to use the service. the only reason i wont root is i just know i'll brick my phone. i simply dont have time to read countless pages on how to do it, and after spending too much time messing about on my hd2, i dont think the better half would be as forgiving again. so, £40 for a service which i'd quiet like but i'll NEVER do myself seems pretty good to me. as for people shouting for them to be banned from xda......just LOL.........
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Countless pages? Are you serious mate?
OK, I've assembled a quick guide for you.
Requirements:
Brain
Htc Sensation
Electricity
Computer with access to internet
Hands
Knowing how to read
Then its easy:
Follow this link and do it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Have a good day.

Hmm, the free market filling a niche for people who can't be bothered to learn a few new skills - it ain't new people, I recall the exact same indignation when Android first arrived for the hd2 and people sold 'installation kits'.
There's no way to stop it, no matter now easy the noob guides are - you only have to read the cries for help in the forum to realise that some people simply cannot understand something written down.
You'd hope their conscience made them donate to the dev's, but I wouldn't bet on it.

dmcb123 said:
XDA should ban them!!
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How can XDA ban them?

beston94 said:
Countless pages? Are you serious mate?
OK, I've assembled a quick guide for you.
Requirements:
Brain
Htc Sensation
Electricity
Computer with access to internet
Hands
Knowing how to read
Then its easy:
Follow this link and do it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Have a good day.
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or you could just pay someone £35 to do it for you......., lazy i know, but hey, thats life.........
ps: i just checked your link and the HUGE WALLS OF TEXT just puts me off, i'd defo pay for the service if i ever wanted to root my phone....

boomboomer said:
Hmm, the free market filling a niche for people who can't be bothered to learn a few new skills - it ain't new people, I recall the exact same indignation when Android first arrived for the hd2 and people sold 'installation kits'.
There's no way to stop it, no matter now easy the noob guides are - you only have to read the cries for help in the forum to realise that some people simply cannot understand something written down.
You'd hope their conscience made them donate to the dev's, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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this. i tried walking a guy (he was asking help on craigslist) thru installing android on a hd2, and he couldn't follow my directions...

If devs don't mind and there is a buyer willing to pay for the service why not.
Sent from my T959 using XDA App

donwhann said:
or you could just pay someone £35 to do it for you......., lazy i know, but hey, thats life.........
ps: i just checked your link and the HUGE WALLS OF TEXT just puts me off, i'd defo pay for the service if i ever wanted to root my phone....
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Exactly. Not every one is smart. Not every one has TIME
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hope they die and burn in hell, get reincarnated, die, go to hell and burn. x200

illuminarias said:
hope they die and burn in hell, get reincarnated, die, go to hell and burn. x200
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Bit harsh perhaps?

illuminarias said:
hope they die and burn in hell, get reincarnated, die, go to hell and burn. x200
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for charging £35-£40 for the service ?, perhaps £15-£20 might have been better.......

I don't seem the harm if the devs are ok with it either. I mean back in the days, before rooting, people were paying people like davinciteam to "unlock" the phones to get the bloated carrier software off the phones. No, Davinci is not exactly the same as these ebay listers, but it's the service you are paying for, bottom line.
If you don't like it, don't use it.

monoxide.tryst said:
Exactly. Not every one is smart. Not every one has TIME
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Not everyone is smart? Are you kidding me? A 10 year old could follow the instructions and complete the s-off and root and flash a custom rom.
What the hell is happening to our world?
Here is my advice to you "not smart" people: USE YOUR BRAIN.