Hi all,
I have a simple question (But with a hard answer).
How easy would it be to strip certain applications from an OS ROM?? I'm thinking about all the useless applications that get installed eg MIDi, SIM manager, and a few others.. in an attempt to free up memory for other applications..
It's a real pain when the OS comes with File explorer, Internet Explorer and Media player for example, when many people install alternative software. I guess stripping these out would be difficult but maybe other applications would be easier to remove????
Is it a straighforward exercise or hideously difficult???
All the best
Ody
afaik it's not so difficult to remove files and rebuilt the rom, but I think there might be several registry changes to perform -- for example, if you remove WMP -- and those changes can be harder to locate.
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Do you prefer a clean version of WM6 or with extra applications?
And which applications do you like?
C_shekar - I think you need some investigation which kind of soft user needs.
So let us post our vision of required soft preinstalled in ROM.
as far as I understand we taking about freeware.
My List:
1. Touch flo (if there are any possibility)
2. Dict
3. Alreader light 2\Hali reader
4. Total Commander Mobile
5. TCMP
6. Pdf - viewer
7. WM5-storage
8. Some sort of timer.
9. ICQ application (qip for example)
10. Gsplayer
11. Rar mobile
1. No RAM disk
2. 24MB Pagepool
3. TouchFlo
I think the ROM should stay clean, so the user can decide what apps he wants to add.
I think one can only add the HTC home tab thingie!
Cheers
divocak
no ram disk ??
man are you mad ?
for what reason you need all amount of RAM ?
Are you know that without ram-disk device SLOW DOWN ??
But I`ve agree to save some extra mem by lowering page poll. (I think 16 mb will be ok )
No, just leave the pagepool at 32 as I think it's neccessary to keep the Rom goes fast. No more software should be added I hope 'cause users can add them in later on. Just all the important fixes and patches. And that's all. Anyone want to personalize the ROM can do that by creating an extendedRom in their SD, is it, so just try to keep the version pure (one of the best exapmle is buzz 3.33). But, the ROMs that personalized before by certain developers are appreciated as well.
obaz said:
divocak
Are you know that without ram-disk device SLOW DOWN ??
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Oh i dont know that - i think that ram-disk is only for storage. thanx for info.
I agree. The upgrade rom should be a clean one so a person can choose exactly what software they require and will use. We must also remember that we all use our PPC for different reasons so there will never be a rom with software we all want or need.
Clean and Clear
Hello!!! Yes I think the WM6 should be clean version, if someone wants to install apps they can do so. The reason to keep the clean version is to make the device run faster.
Although there should be a clean version but also there should be a choice of software (seprately given). If need be people can install them on their Device.
Kind Regards
Jay
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
some softwares are necessary...
because not all of Himalaya users are goood at play the phone,they need it quick and all-in-one.
may be we can cook 2 ROMs,one clean version of WM6 and one with extra applications
Rudegar said:
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
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But not installing extra software will give choice to people what to install and what not to install. Dont you think it would be a good idea to leave it to people regardless of space or memory issues?
Kind Regards
Jay
very very clean please
What I personally use from 2003 and 2005 ROMs is:
phone
contacts
notes
tasks
calender
SMS
activesync
camera
windows media
bluetooth for mono headset, gps receiver, audio over car radio (behaves like mono headset and mutes for phone or navigation)
connection manager
picture viewer
sometimes Word, wouldn't miss it
Never used:
games
download agent
file explorer
gprs on/off
internet explorer
internet sharing
modem link
search
Powerpoint
WM5torage
email
Very unwelcome: certificates
I do use all settings from the tabs Personal and System, from the connections settings I only use Bluetooth
But -although a contradiction to my wish for a very clean ROM- I do believe that not only I, but most of us do like some features like smartdial, TouchFlo, PDF, VERY LOUD ringtones and repeating alerts for notifications, missed calls, missed txt messages and so on. And localisation would be very welcome too.
Theoretically it would be best if either during the flash operation or at first boot after flashing it would be possible to make your own selections using some kind of wizard/script that would be intelligent enough to warn for example that the help files will no longer be available if you remove IE, that probably SMS will no longer be available if email program is not installed (I guess).
Maggy said:
What I personally use from 2003 and 2005 ROMs is:
phone
contacts
notes
tasks
calender
SMS
activesync
camera
windows media
bluetooth for mono headset, gps receiver, audio over car radio (behaves like mono headset and mutes for phone or navigation)
connection manager
picture viewer
sometimes Word, wouldn't miss it
Never used:
games
download agent
file explorer
gprs on/off
internet explorer
internet sharing
modem link
search
Powerpoint
WM5torage
email
Very unwelcome: certificates
I do use all settings from the tabs Personal and System, from the connections settings I only use Bluetooth
But -although a contradiction to my wish for a very clean ROM- I do believe that not only I, but most of us do like some features like smartdial, TouchFlo, PDF, VERY LOUD ringtones and repeating alerts for notifications, missed calls, missed txt messages and so on. And localisation would be very welcome too.
Theoretically it would be best if either during the flash operation or at first boot after flashing it would be possible to make your own selections using some kind of wizard/script that would be intelligent enough to warn for example that the help files will no longer be available if you remove IE, that probably SMS will no longer be available if email program is not installed (I guess).
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Ya but this is personal List of what you use, if developers starts building personal roms, it will be never ending story.
What I suggested is to build a clean rom, Hyman said the right thing. Build one with basic clean rom and the other with fully loaded and whoever wants which ever they can pick their choice.
Kind Regards
Jay
jaytheguru said:
But not installing extra software will give choice to people what to install and what not to install. Dont you think it would be a good idea to leave it to people regardless of space or memory issues?
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Personally, I don't think so.
If one wouls want to install some software (common used, for example) he would install it in storage mem. And I could make it into rom instead.
If you don't want to use it - just don't use it
One day we would make a kitchen - and then all could make their own personal rom.
Personally, I can tell you that I'm going to release a clean and speed tweaked rom - once, and then I'm going to start releasing my personalized one.
It seems like we all get the answer now. One pure version and one with all modification that builder desires. No more discussion I guess
bearshare said:
It seems like we all get the answer now. One pure version and one with all modification that builder desires. No more discussion I guess
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yes..i agree with you
jaytheguru said:
Ya but this is personal List of what you use, if developers starts building personal roms, it will be never ending story.
What I suggested is to build a clean rom, Hyman said the right thing. Build one with basic clean rom and the other with fully loaded and whoever wants which ever they can pick their choice.
Kind Regards
Jay
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I wanted to give insight in how I use my Hima, it is by no means a wish list for a personalised ROM. (although volunteers are welcome to cook one for me ;-)
I hope others will give similar insight in their uses.
When I flashed to WM5 I thought I was using a clean ROM. It did come with Powerpoint and Exell, IMHO a waste of space. It didn't come with a working smartdial and it took me a full day to find a smartdial that works on one of my Hima's but not on another almost identical Hima. IMHO an awful waste of time unless you like to reinvent the wheel.
I've seen discussions in other threads about what they do/do not call a "clean" ROM. IMHO a clean ROM should offer as much basic functionality as possible. I believe Smartdial is one of these basic functions.
But every piece of software that you can find elsewhere, like Powerpoint and Exell should in my opinion be left out of the clean ROM, right?
A kitchen would be a good idea. A kitchen with a clear step by step manual that any noob can follow would be even nicer. Perhaps such kitchens were around before the ftp site closed, I'm only here regularly since a week or two.
I downloaded two files with the word kitchen in its name and unfortunately neither explained to me how to use it.
Rudegar said:
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
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You r absloutly right
Rudegar said:
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
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I can't agree with you any more
Good day all. I have spent three days reading this forum, great stuff. I bought the SK Tooks program and have deleted the PTT button per another thread. I have also set up the internet sharing like my 8525 per another post, many thanks for all the above.
One I did not find. I want to delete unneeded programs and games. I am on the AT&T ROM. When I go to Settings|Programs|remove Programs, only a few are shown. I would like to delete the following:
Programs|
Media Net Home
AT&T Mall
AT&T Music
Cellular Video
Push To Talk
Programs|Games & Apps
Get TelNav
MobilTV
Plus a few others probably. Am I out of luck?
From what I understand those things are on the ROM and can't be removed unless you flash the ROM with something else.
Actually, all the bloatware programs are in the menu you accessed. But, you apparently overlooked the sub-menus. Go back to the Window directory and with a little searching, you will find them and be able to delete.
Also, for the sample games, open the Java folder and there is an option under menu to remove all of the files.
Some people have gotten around this by doing a hard reset, then before the AT&T customization starts, do a soft reset. I used this method, however, I still found all the .exe's still in the file system, so I still had to do some deleting. Until I get situated with flashing a ROM, this is probably still the best way to go, but I feel the dark side pullin me in slowly but surely. Too bad MS (and hardware manufacturers in kind) have yet to figure out that the way to sell something is not to stick a bunch of annoying trial crap in your face, but to actually offer some compelling features. It irks me that I have to spend hours cleaning up the mess that they made. Don't we get enough junk mail/ spam/ TV Ads/ web popups, etc, etc, etc?
Trial ware is easy money for most hardware manufacturers. They get paid for loading that crap on your device and try to spin in to their users like they are trying to help them.
prubin said:
Actually, all the bloatware programs are in the menu you accessed. But, you apparently overlooked the sub-menus.
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I do not see any sub-menus on the AT&T ROM. I deleted those in Java, thanks. But thy re still in the menus, now with broken links.
jgermuga said:
Some people have gotten around this by doing a hard reset, then before the AT&T customization starts, do a soft reset.
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Did that. I lost MS-Office which is an important program to me.
Okay, a different angle, is there a way I can remove the icons in the menus to clean up the way the menus look nd keep scrolling to a minimum. Then I could just leave the programs.
Any ideas. I have SK Tools to edit the resistry.
I did the soft reset after hard reset trick, and I did not loose Mobile Office. Try again.
removal instructions...
if you did a soft reset before the customazition starts..i recommend that you do another hard reset and don't stop the regular projess. the customazitions has important files that we need as well...so just do a hard reset and follow the instruction belove.. I got the solution for you to stop showing the broken links.
I am on att as well..so on my tilt. here is what i did..
first to gain at least 10mb I deleted the files under documents/myringtones..and the trial games are under java ..programs/tools/java and delete them on options..
here is the big trick you are asking..if you wanna delete them from the programs menu..you don't need the registry edit programs..
just go to windows/start menu/programs//// and delete any program you don't want to show on programs folder...it will look much cleaners...after all the processes i gained 15mb of storage memory..
good luck
When I tried to delete unwanted bloatware, I was unable to. I even check properties using Total Commander and tried unsetting the read-only attribute, no go. How do you guys do this?
to delete unwanted icons from the program menu go to
/windows/start menu/programs
then just delete whichever icons are associated with the demo games you deleted.
Can somebody explain why would you suggest manually deleting the files and applications as opposed to doing the "reset" method after doing a hard reset?
Am I missing something by doing the "reset" method?
Running TyTNII and HTC 6.1 ROM w/HardSPL 3.56 to get rid of the hangs. Now I'm looking to 'tune' the platform as I begin installing more and more software.
I own a copy of Pocket Mechanic, but I'm reluctant to delete certain files, folders and registry keys when using the cleanup utilities without knowing for sure whether or not they're needed. In times past when using the PM registry cleaner, I've notced that deleting certain keys has caused the unit to actually slow down, rather than get better.
Are there any recommendations as to what's safe to delete, or what must remain behind?
For instance:
Fonts folder?
OneNote folder?
Recycle Bin folder?
I just don't want to get myself into hot water, here.
Thanks!
good question
ive not had my tilt for very long and as with any new toy i installed anything and everything i could.
then i found my tilt running like a pig.
so yes, if anyone out there knows of a good registry cleaner, please share
new_ppc_user said:
ive not had my tilt for very long and as with any new toy i installed anything and everything i could.
then i found my tilt running like a pig.
so yes, if anyone out there knows of a good registry cleaner, please share
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There are a number of utilities to help clean your system out there. I use Pocket Mechanic by Wizcode (Anton Tomov), but there are other good choices out there.
The question I have, is that in times past when I deleted certain registry keys (be they empty or otherwise), the machine actually slowed down and became less stable.
So that's the nature of my question. I know that Pocket Mechanic will find duplicate, empty and unused files and (allegedly) unused registry keys. But my experience is that it's not always quite as simple as "point and click". I'm listing this question under the heading of "What I don't know can hurt me very much."
I use MemMaid and have had no problems with it but I always use Sprite Backup first. I like to maintain a series of at least the previous three backups and just before some major system changes like installing or cleaning is a good time to make one.
I've looked around here and haven't seen anything about doing this, so I'm assuming it is not possible but...
Is there any way to remove the various pieces of AT&T bloatware on the Tilt without having to hard-reset the device? I've already done a lot of program loads & configuration and would hate to be forced to redo all of it if I can avoid it.
I got my fingers crossed for this as well. Reinstalling the apps is such a pita.
I used this for removing plugins. it works well but I'm not to sure if it removes the files associated with the plug in.
You could dump the ROM and remove anything you don't want or need, it's called COOKING. You could look into on of Not A Treo Fans' cooked AT&T based ROMS in the developers forum and then reload your personal apps. There are ways to automatically load custom apps automatically after you do ROM upgrade, all you have to do is look and read.
Besides half the fun of these devices is tinkering with them.
Hi there! This is my first post and, first of all excuse me for my english .
As a PC user, I always tried to have a good working PC, like all of us I like a smooth and fast performance, no errors, no spyware/virus, no registry issues, no useless hidden (or not)files/folders, no useless programs starting up with Windows, etc, etc. A year ago I started to experiment this: A clean Win XP installation and no more installations (except for an antivirus), but use of so called "portable software", many of them are .exe files only (you know, those created for use in thumbdrives). So no folders creation, no registry entries, no nothing. Perhaps I loose some system integration, but my Win XP installation keeps almost clean.
I tried to do in a similar way with my Tilt. Since I have no portable version of the phone software I decided to install the programs I use like audio players, games, utils., etc. in the micro SD card, then I do a hard reset to get rid of the bloatware, the folders (many programs even installed in SD card creates folders in the phone´s memory) and registry entries of the installed programs, once the phone is working properly I test the applications on the SD card (executing them from there), if they work ok I make the respective shortcuts in Windows/Start Menu/Programs, and that´s it.
I only want to share what I´m doing now, if it is good for someone, good.