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Rom, ExtRom, Radio Rom - upgarding questions ??

hi, i have got few questions reagrding upgrading rom.
i ahev been reading this forum for a week or so in order to choose best Rom and upgarde my wizard. right now i am using t-mobile rom which was preinstaled on my device.
i am really confused with this whole rom upgrading.
1.Does Rom contain extrom and radio rom ?
2.if i changemy rom will i change only my rom or extrom as well ?
3. can i upgrade only my rom and leave the extrom as it is ?
4. if after hard reste i will perform soft rest before device try to instal costimization will i have all the application insatled like word, msn ect. or do i have to instal them on my own ?
5.whicih rom, extrom and radio rom do u recomand.
sorry for being newbe
cheers, matt

cudo said:
hi, i have got few questions reagrding upgrading rom.
i ahev been reading this forum for a week or so in order to choose best Rom and upgarde my wizard. right now i am using t-mobile rom which was preinstaled on my device.
i am really confused with this whole rom upgrading.
1.Does Rom contain extrom and radio rom ?
2.if i changemy rom will i change only my rom or extrom as well ?
3. can i upgrade only my rom and leave the extrom as it is ?
4. if after hard reste i will perform soft rest before device try to instal costimization will i have all the application insatled like word, msn ect. or do i have to instal them on my own ?
5.whicih rom, extrom and radio rom do u recomand.
sorry for being newbe
cheers, matt
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Here's my take:
1. Sometimes. You have to understand what you have before you download. Each string of posts generally refers to different ROMs. Until lately, the ROMs were the whole package (bootloader, Core OS, Phone and Ext ROM). Most folks want the latest OS possible, but want the phone part from an older ROM, so in some cases the phone part of the ROM has been split out as a separate installation. In other cases, Ext ROMs have been undated and distributed by themselves.
2. Depends on what ROM you've got. If you have the all-in-one type, everything gets wiped out and upgraded. Even if you do a backup, chances are its no good because the backup was for the old OS and is incompatible with the new OS. If you install just a phone or Ext ROM, the core OS and all your settings SHOULD be left alone. However just this week some goob couldn't run the right files in the Phone upgrade and nearly bricked his phone, then pissed all over the other guy trying to help...(reference the Great KeithT Rant of '06)
3. Assume you're talking about upgrading the Core OS and leaving the Ext ROM as is. Don't know of a way to do this--it hasn't been mentioned as a possibility in the Wizard upgrade forum in the past few months AFAIK. I think this is highly unlikely anyway, as the Core OS ROM is really in charge of everything. You'll want the match the Ext ROM with whatever Cell provider you have, and there are more than enough all-in-one ROMs to suit nearly every carrier. I'd suggest searching: "T-Mobile ROM upgrade" or whatever provider you have to get a Core OS/Phone/ExtROM all together.
4. Many applications are included in the Core OS ROM, like pocket Word, Excel, mail, etc. I think MSN is included in the Ext ROM, but not sure. Anyway, just got to try it and find out!
5. This is a little tougher. I recommend the latest Core OS matched with an Ext ROM for your cell provider. There is some debate over the best phone ROMs (see recent posts in this forum) depending on the towers in your area. Note, the latest Core OS doesn't necessarily have the highest version number. Someone leaked a Cingular ROM v2.25, then another TMo ROM v2.24 was actually a later build. Diff providers have different numbering schemes.
Good luck, read a bunch, and feel a little comfortable with what you're doing before you leap. Lots of folks here will help if you get in trouble, but be expected not have your head up your arse before asking for help!

Where/how to get Radio Rom 1.20.00.11?

Greets.
Where or how can I get the radio rom 1.20.00.11.
There are Roms with it, but they are full roms. I only need the radio rom part.
Also, is the radio rom 1.20.00.11 equal to all the phones sold? Or is it brand specific?
Thanks.

rjtd said:
Greets.
Where or how can I get the radio rom 1.20.00.11.
There are Roms with it, but they are full roms. I only need the radio rom part.
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use NBHextract.exe to split full nbh rom to nb files. radio part would be called 05_GSM.nb . It can be flashed either with MFG bootloader or with SSPL after converting it back to nbf (containing radio only) with nbhgen. Search will help you in obtaining this tools.
Also, is the radio rom 1.20.00.11 equal to all the phones sold? Or is it brand specific?
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They are supposed to be. But I've got some doubts 'bout it recently (some things yet need to be researched): so be extreme carefull dealing with SoftBank devices or CHT ROMz.

So this will work if I just want to get the GPS, and not alter everything else?(language, os, settings, etc?)

and will this method leave the bootloader at the original 1.05 ?

Orange UK 1.19.61.1 WWE (hopefully working)

Hi all,
My first time being a productive member of this great forum (or at least, I hope so ).
I've been wanting to flash the ROM on my Touch HD with Orange UK (something I've never done before), but as an "insurance policy", wanted to have a backup of the stock ROM in case I have he need to restore it, or need to send back the phone to Orange for some reason. After searching the Internet at large and this forum in particular, I was unable to find a dump of the same ROM version as the one I have (1.19.61.1) with Orange UK, so after an hour or more of searching and reading, I was finally able to follow the steps to extract the ROM from memory in .raw format and then reassemble it as an .nbh file using the itsutils tools and the Blackstone "Kitchen" tools. The reference ROM I used for the reconstruction process was this one (found through the forums):
RUU_BlackStone_HKCSL_WWE_1.19.831.0_Radio_52.49a.2 5.26_1.09.25.14_Ship.exe
Here are the complete details regarding the ROM I'm posting, from the Device Information program of my phone:
Operator version: 34.119.1.611
ROM version: 1.19.61.1 WWE
ROM date: 11/25/08
Radio version: 1.09.25.14
Protocol version: 52.49a.25.26U
The process seems to have gone smoothly, and I have ended up with ruu_signed.nbh file, which I have uploaded for you all on Rapidshare and Mediafire.
However, I have not actually flashed my device with this ROM (since this is the current ROM on my device, and having no actual experience in flashing yet, the result might seem a bit ambigious to me) I would really appreciate it if someone would verify whether it actually works or not, so people don't heap curses on me if it doesn't... I'm just a newbie, remember.
So without further ado:
http://rapidshare.com/files/228874929/Touch_HD_Orange_UK_1.19.61.1_WWE.rar
Mediafire:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=eb6c7c685fb1912708f8df73f2072ed6e04e75f6e8ebb871

This is exactly what i need! Hope its working for the both of us!

original spl
hi i might need to use your dumped rom - i will probably also need to reinstall my original spl (have used a hspl to flash cooked rom) - i noted down my original rom and radio, but not the spl - can you tell me what was the original spl with this rom?
thanx

protoism said:
hi i might need to use your dumped rom - i will probably also need to reinstall my original spl (have used a hspl to flash cooked rom) - i noted down my original rom and radio, but not the spl - can you tell me what was the original spl with this rom?
thanx
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Orginal SPL 1.14.000

MrKaon said:
Orginal SPL 1.14.000
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thx
hate to be a complete dweeb, but how do i flash this dumped ROM - its just a nbl file how how do i couple it with a rom update utility??

Guys, check this out. I hope, it will be usefull for you.
Blackstone_Orange_UK_1.14.405.3
11.Nov.08
http://rapidshare.com/files/16237350...Ship.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/16237926...Ship.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/16238323...Ship.part3.rar
P.S. it was found in this site.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444170

how to to repartition the rom

Hi,
I'm trying to upgrade my radio rom. At first everything seems fine but after the upgrade process is at about 30%, I get error no. 114. I think that maybe a part of my rom is broken, so I'd like to change the allocation of my roms. I'd like to have the extented rom part as new radio rom and vice versa.
Is that possible? If yes, how is it done?
thx for your help
PECK

sorry to disappoint you, but no, that is not possible.
start the other way around, do not try to bypass a problem by creating a new one, try solving the problem first. why would the radio rom abort in the middle of the upgrade process?
- do you use the right upgrade tools?
- do you use the right radio rom?
- did you take care of everything else there is about upgrading a rom (bootloader, active sync kill...)?
- are you able to flash another os rom?
...whatever comes to mind when flashing roms, because this problem will not be any different after all.

@ chef_tony:
I've no problem with upgrading the OS or the extented rom! thats why i think that maybe the flash chip is broken!
I tried many different upgrading tools, even one of yours!
I don't know the current language id of my device! Originally it was a german XDA III! How can I check the current language id and how can I change it? is it possible that I have this problem because of a wrong language id?
thx in advance
PECK

i would guess it couldn't have anything to do with the country id, error 114 is radio rom update error.
btw, you get to see the inofficial country id everytime you soft reset the device, and in the bottom right corner it says something like WWE, or GER, for instance. or, when you connect the device and run getdevicedata.exe from the ruu folder, which is done before the upgrade, to show you the "from:" and "to:" numbers.
but: i just got another idea.
do you actually take out the sim card, before trying to upgrade the radio?
is your device sim unlocked?
have you played around with different bluetooth stacks?
have you performed a hard reset before trying to upgrade the radio?
have you tried upgrading the radio from the stock o2 rom wm2003?
ok, that was more than one idea, and downgrading seems like a lot of work, but it is worth a shot. if you spend days flashing (or trying to) over and over again anyways, you might as well try that, would mean 2 extra upgrading sessions, but what is that, like an hour?
oh, and what radio rom does the device have now, stock? or is it a newer one already?
and why do you think you need to upgrade the radio rom anyways? phone not working, maybe the problems lie deeper and that could be why the upgrade process can't work in the first place!
"don't confuse an original symptom with the sickness from the drugs we gave him" as dr. house, would say

hi,
the device is unlocked! there was no sim card inserted during the upgrade; i just tryed with one but I get the same error at 32% progress...
it doesn't work with the original rom, also!
it would be fine if the stock rom was installed, but unfortunately i don't have installed any radio rom whatsoever!
windows mobile device information says that i don't have a radio rom and no protocol installed!

oh, for pete's sake, i'm sorry.
when i asked you about the sim card being inserted, i thought of taking the card out, if you hadn't done before, should have written that. many people have problems when having a sim card or sd card inserted, i didn't want to suggest to put one in! that can never do good, either nothing happens or it gets worse, i really shouldn't have forgotten that.
it doesn't work with the original rom, also!
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yeah, but does the stock rom itself work? i mean, the stock rom is a so called baked rom, meaning it contains a rom, an extrom and a radio rom, while the cooked roms here only contain the actual rom, so the os. i mean, you could try and extract the radio from the stock rom and try and flash that. it would give you a radio back! or if that doesn't work either, try flashing the entire stock rom, if that works without problems and then you'd have a radio, it means that your issue is too strange to think about, but still you can delete the extrom again and flash another rom without harming the original radio.
wouldn't that be a step forward?
btw. what radio rom are you trying to flash?
if it is just one, you try over and over, are you absolutely certain, this is for the BA? which version is it? what was the original file name of the exe? where did you get it? have you tried re-downloading it, maybe the file is really broken!

hi,
i tryed many different rom versions, and i'm pretty sure they are for the blueangel!
do you know, where i can get a cooked rom for my xda 3?

first, to be clear about that, as mentioned before, cooked roms consist only of the operating system itself and contain neither a radio rom nor an extrom. so about every rom offered here is a cooked rom. but that won't solve your problem, since, as mentioned, there is no radio included. that is why i suggested for you to try the original radio from the shipped rom, and then the entire shipped rom, to determine, whether the radio rom flashes, when it comes after an nk.nbf rom, which would mean, that from now on, you'd have to "bake" roms yourself, by taking cooked roms and adding the radio, so to not lose it. when you can actually flash wm2003 you can also try flashing other radios with the original BAupgradeut, because in contrast to os roms, there should be no limitations to the radio roms, as far as i know.

Change WM german to english or spanish
Hi! I´m new in the forum, please i need some help, i have a qtek 9090 bought in germany so it has a windows mobile in German. Can you help me to change the ROM to an english or spanish version.
The info is:
ROM version: 1.40.01 GER
ROM datum:03/10/05
Radio version: 1.12.00
Protocol version 1337.42
Extended ROM version: 1.40.750 GER
Model: PH20B
Platform: PocketPC
IMEI 353030001525302
Can you explain me step by step or suggest me a page wuere i could find some instructions, i have another problem too, I don´t have a usb cable for it, please help me

[Q] About ROM upgrade.

Hi all,
Excuse me if apparentely it's can seems I repeat old and answred question, but sincerely I have not yet sufficentely clear ideas on how I can flash my blackstone with an updated Rom.
I want remark that I have a decent knowledge on developing a program for W.M., but I confess that after read various threads and articles about, I remained in a great confusion yet!
The question:
I have a branded (Tim) Blackstone:
BLAC100 32M
SPL-1.13.0000
MicroP-BlackStone (Led) v6
Device Info:
ROM Version 1.13.401.0 (20428)ITA
ROM Date 10/25/08
Radio Version 1.09.25.14
Protocol Version: 52.49a.25.26W
This device ABSOLUTELY need to be upgraded to the Rom 1.56 (but first of all I WANT TO UNBRAND it).
After an initial problem (caused by the unricognized S/N), I dowloaded (using another S/N) from Htc the File:
RUU_BlackStone_HTC_ITA_1.56.408.0_Radio_52.62.25.34_1.13.25.24_Ship.exe
To upgrade my device, I want to preserve only the country and the language, because I read that it is necessary to preserve the A-Gps funtionalities (data changes country by coutry). Is it thrue?
I understood that I can't use it, cause the Tim brand of my device.
In my case only the brand is not matching, while the language and country are apparentely matching.
(But, why the "401" of my device is not matching with the "408" of file I downloaded? Can I use the file with this unmatching country code?)
1) - I have a great confusion on SPL, HSPL, SSPL, USPL.
2) - I have a great confusion because I not understood if Radio Rom upgrade and Rom upgrade are 2 different processes or not.
3) - Is the Rom version related (developed) for a specific Hardware version (as it is logical to think)?
4) - Is the Radio rom "country sensitive"? (As I think that each country have a different GSM Net).
5) - If want upgrade both radio and rom, what instrument exactely I need?
Please can you clear my ideas.... and doubts?
Thanks
Ignazio

Ok, you have managed to get an official HTC rom, you can also find some more here
If you use HSPL or USPL, this will allow you to flash the new rom. If you are intending on staying on the official rom, uspl will probably be the best option for you to use.
In response to your questions:
1) SPL - Second Program Loader is a boot loader after IPL (Initial Program Loader) often seen on smart phones and PDA's. SPL is similar to a BIOS in a computer and can be flashed and updated.
The difference between USPL and HSPL:
* HSPL is an user-modified SPL that you have to flash to your phone. It overwrites the existing SPL on your device with a "hacked" one so to say. It allows you to bypass the HTC certificate check and flash unsigned or CID-mismatching roms to your phone. You only have to flash it once and then you can flash roms anytime.
* USPL is a temporary solution. It takes advantage of an exploit in the existing SPL and then loads a modified one to memory, effectively allowing the same thing as HSPL. However, since this is only memory-resident you have to do it each time you want to flash unsigned or CID-mismatching roms to your phone, because this exploited state is lost upon reboot. With USPL you must still have the right version of the HTC SPL that is compatible with the rom you want to use.
* SSPL is just another method of getting to change the spl and is only really needed if you experience problems using one of the other methods.
Hopefully this makes it a little clearer for you.
2) It depends. The radio is in most cases included in the rom. The rom you are looking to use included a radio. This is shown by the 1.13.25.24 in the name of your rom, so if you install that rom it will also update the radio in a single process. You can however also only upgrade the radio and then it is done as a separate process and will not affect the rom.
3) All the roms are initially developed for a particular hardware configuration I would imagine, but there are many fantastic chefs here on xda who take roms meant for other devices and are able to port some of the components to a cooked rom which can then be used on a number of different devices.
4) Yes, radios are country and area sensitive, so what works well for one person in a particular area would possibly not work as well for you.
5) You will need to use either hspl or uspl in order to upgrade your radio (if you are using one intended for an HTC). Some people have taken radios from other devices such as the Omnia, but in order to flash these radios you need to do a security unlock of your device and there are special tools that allow you to do this, but this is really only a last resort if you can't find an HTC radio that works for you.
The steps to follow in order to flash are described in the Dummies Guide to Flashing (see link in my signature) and if you have any further questions, please ask them in that thread.

Thanks for reply,
You cleared at least 70% of my doubts.

hurricane3000 said:
Thanks for reply,
You cleared at least 70% of my doubts.
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Pleasure, so what are the remaining 30%?

Rom Problems..
hi..
i got my blackstone from service today because they changed my mother board.now i want to change my room to be more faster and have that winmo 6.5..i have read a lot but there are to many informations to understand..can someone tell me pls how i can change my rom,from first thing to the last and for that what rom to download?
step by step links or something would be great..i tryed myself but there is to many information for me to now what to choose..
thanks and i am looking forward for an answer

thekingro said:
hi..
i got my blackstone from service today because they changed my mother board.now i want to change my room to be more faster and have that winmo 6.5..i have read a lot but there are to many informations to understand..can someone tell me pls how i can change my rom,from first thing to the last and for that what rom to download?
step by step links or something would be great..i tryed myself but there is to many information for me to now what to choose..
thanks and i am looking forward for an answer
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Read the Dummies Guide (link in my signature). If you have any more queries please post them in that thread as this one is likely to be closed down soon.
ROMS are a personal thing, so have a look at a few and read some of the more popular threads (ie the ones that keep popping to the top) and depending on the feedback received from users make a choice. Once you've flashed once it becomes addictive and you'll try a few before you find one that suits you.

another thing
after i follow all the steps from there all roms should work..after that finnishing them i start that rom update launcher that comes with every rom?

Continuing on Dummies Guide thread.......

As above, continue on dummies guide
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