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Orange SPV M700 - It has GPS?

Hi everyone
I am new here and this is my first post, so please go easy on me.
I wanted to start by congratulating all the contributors on this forum on a great job done.
I’ve just ordered an SPV M700 on Orange and have a couple of questions
1- I need to unlock the phone to be able to use an O2 Sim card in it.
2- I want to be able to use The GPS in the phone.
To use the O2 SIM do I just need to do a SIM unlock, or do I have to do a CID unlock to? Err what is CID in the first place
My understanding is that the Orange ROM has the GPS enabled, am I correct? If so, all I have to do is install software like Tomtom Navigator and all should work, right?
As you can see, I am not that technical and do not want to mess the phone up by venturing into un-chartered territories.
Thank you for any help

1, yes you just need a SIM unlock. You will find the necessary tools on this forum to do this.
2, it seems that the current batch of Orange phones are shipping with the gps enabled rom, so yes just install tomtom.
I think CID stands for country ID (or something like that), you only need to unlock this if you intend to install firmware from another country e.g. the gps enabled Depod firmware. Providing your orange supplied phone has their most recent firmware you won't have to worry about this.

I've just found out what orange are doing. ONLY their Business phones have it enabled.
So if you order the phone on a personal account you don't get the GPS enabled.
However if you order it on a business account you can have it.
The third option is to learn French and flash the publicly available french rom to it.
(That's assuming you want it to be supported by orange themselves)
Else use one of the cooked roms and you're sorted.
EDIT: I've just got off the phone to Orange. The third option above would still be covered by insurance. Though if anything goes wrong it would have to be listed as a technical fault and go back to their free post address.

no, you are wrong, i am personal account, the rom is gps enabled

You flashed it to enable it. The GPS ROM is there but with one of the earlier firmware versions which doesn't enable it. (I got my information directly from Orange. If you were lucky enough to get a business phone sent out to you then I'm extremely jealous (and ask you again to upload your firmware ) but after about 40 mins of bouncing me around centers and giving me lame excuses or saying they were the wrong department I finally got a straight answer out of 2 seperate departments saying this was indeed the case)
If you look on the Orange site:
Business:
http://www.business.orange.co.uk/se...s&c=OUKDevice&cid=1044134008063&extarg1=Phone
It can deliver you directly to your meetings, thanks to it's built-in GPS with Sat Nav from Orange.
Personal:
http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/handset/orange_spv_m700/features
No mention of any GPS is listed.
I know the GPS is there and functions as I've used a cooked ROM to enable it.
Plus as has been pointed out you can freely get the Orange France version of the firmware which has GPS enabled.

no no no, i didn't flash it before enable it, i can use the gps with tomtom 6 when i first got the phone, i need to flash it because i need to make it sim unlock..( i got it on 28/02/07, from the orange shop)
and even the manual with my spv m700, it also mention about the gps.

siupiu said:
no no no, i didn't flash it before enable it, i can use the gps with tomtom 6 when i first got the phone, i need to flash it because i need to make it sim unlock..( i got it on 28/02/07, from the orange shop)
and even the manual with my spv m700, it also mention about the gps.
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This is good News
I will get mine tomorrow - hopefully
Alas, I need to use an O2 Sim card though, so I must go down the SIM unlock route. I am in a dilemma between
1- Using the Prof's unlocking solution here
or
2- Paying up the $38 for peace of mind here here

Forget about solution 2

cedrick said:
Forget about solution 2
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I second that

the-oneil said:
This is good News
I will get mine tomorrow - hopefully
Alas, I need to use an O2 Sim card though, so I must go down the SIM unlock route. I am in a dilemma between
1- Using the Prof's unlocking solution here
or
2- Paying up the $38 for peace of mind here here
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you may to have a look of this post?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296327

SPV M700
Just to let you all know:
I just spoke to Orange about upgrading my M600 to M700. Vry nice lady ( after three atempts) has confirmed that M700 has GPS receiver built in. It would not show anywhere on Comms but it is selectable once you install SatNav software and it is on COM9.
So I think that anewers the original question.
Happ Navigating

Got my SPV M700 from Orange yesterday.
I went into the favorit > Sat Nav & downloaded Orange's Sat Nav program (It woked a treat - No ROM flashing or anything ) It actually guided me back home.
So yes, Orange UK ROM is 100% GPS enabled.

the-oneil not all are coming with GPS enabled. I know as I've seen 2 so far which came without the GPS working. Must depend on the batch they send out.

i think that depends on which rom version, that one with the following version must have GPS..
Operator version : 19.123.1.615
ROM version: 1.23.61.5
Rom date : 01/25/07
Radio version : 1.30.00.01
Protocol version: 32.63.7020.08H

I didn`t have to enable GPS on my M700. I installed a sat nav system ( Navigon MN6) and it connected by itself. I have a black M700 but on a personal account. The black ones were originally only reserved for new business accounts. Don`t know if that is significant.
I have now just installed Route 66 Navigate 7 in place of Navigon but it can`t seem to connect to the GPS receiver. Anyone help with that? I can only find one way to access the GPS seetings, in Systems/connections/GPRS Settings, and the only option is to change from PAP Authentication to CHAP Authentication. I don`t know what the difference between them is ( I`m not a techie!!) but it makes no difference anyway.
Any advice would be appreciated

Don't confuse GPS (Global Positioning by Satellite) with GPRS (General Packet Radio Service). If you mess with the GPRS settings, you may stop your phone from being able to use mobile data.
The M700 doesn't come with the GPS control panel visible, and generally speaking you don't need it to. Windows Mobile 5 comes with a software patch which distributes a GPS signal to any application requiring it, but some GPS applications can't work with this. I presume Route 66 may be one of them (as is TomTom).
Go to your Route 66 settings, and in the GPS setting options, set COM port to COM9 and Baud rate to 57600, which are the default hardware settings for the M700.
Now go to somewhere with a clear view of the sky for about 10 minutes, to allow the program to download all the necessary satellite information.

the-oneil,
I did the same as you with my brothers Trinity but I have a small problem with the internet settings.
I downloaded a cab file from a forum request on this site but it did not work for me and so I then copied the settings from a site called 'filesaveas' and itwork for me except in one way.
When I try to access my brothers Hotmail account via Pocket MSN I could not do it, however when I accessed Hotmail via Internet Explorer it was ok.
So I have some kind of error in the settings somewhere that still needs to be resolved. I contacted O2 for the settings but they would not give them to me because it is not an O2 handset. The screen asks me repeatedly for 'Incoming Email Password', which is exactly the same one as when I use Internet Explorer to acces Hotmail.
So let me know if you get the above working on yours and perhaps I could copy your settings.
Cheers!
And good luck!

Thanks NeilM,
Trouble is, I`ve tried and tried to find somewhere in the Route 66 menu where I can change GPS settings, but no luck. I`ve been checking through the files using File Explorer but can`t find anything anywhere that allows me to do that. Can you suggest somewhere I might find it or would it be pretty obvious, like going into the main menu in Route 66 when it`s running, and looking for a GPS settings tab. There isn`t one. It has a tab called GPS information but that just gives GPS status info, no way of changing any settings. Guess I`m stuffed!!

According to the Route66 help, it only supports Bluetooth GPS, not inbuilt receivers.
In fact their compatibility list is so old, I wonder it works on any current device

NeilM said:
According to the Route66 help, it only supports Bluetooth GPS, not inbuilt receivers.
In fact their compatibility list is so old, I wonder it works on any current device
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Thats great, thanks for letting me know, I can stop messing around with it now and go for something else or get a bluetooth receiver. The built in receiver isn`t that great anyway. I read somewhere that it was an 8 channel receiver. I have tried Navigon MN6 already with my M700 and I noticed that it`s positioning leaves a lot to be desired. I wondered if it might be something to do with the receiver as I didn`t expect it to be a SirfstarIII. So I might at some point just get myself a decent quality bluetooth SirfstarIII. Any recomendations?
Cheers for now

Orange network Kaiser

I am about to get an Orange network branded Kaiser phone, does anyone know if this is identical in function to the unlocked HTC version ie:- wifi, GPS, not crippled, and secondly is it easy to re-flash the rom to get rid of the Orange branding or is this difficult and could easily cause a malfunction and lock the device.
Thanks

1) wifi and GPS all work fine.
2) The Orange homescreen is deselectable on Today settings, Item tab. You can then install the HTChome if you download it from here.
3) If you really want to flash the HTC rom (or a cooked one from here), I think its easy...but I havent bothered. Other than the colour scheme on the dialler page, its fine.

I have an orange branded kaiser, tomtom is not on it nor is wlm from stock, within an hr I had flashed the htc rom, giving me wlm etc and then installed tomtom from the thread in this forum and installed the maps etc from my other copy.
easy enough to do if you follow the instructions on this forum.

How you managed to get one? Retentions?

Mine was from O retail (as I couldnt talk to retentions til next month)

Thanks for all the info,
The company I work for has 6 mobile phones and we were contacted by Orange about an upgrade so I asked if we could upgrade to the Kaiser and they said yes no problem and no charge for the upgrade.

They are very keen on retaining business accounts at present. Make sure you get free calls between the six of you and a worthwhile data package.

AvengerPenguin,
Sorry to be a pain but I have never flashed a rom before and don't want to mess up can you reply with the link to the standard HTC rom and any simple instructions and also a link to the TomTom software as I have the maps I can use that I purchased for my old Artemis.
Thanks

Orange TyTnII change ROM to HTC Original

Hi all, first post on this site so bear with me. I have been reading all the posts regarding upgrading/changing ROM's from original HTC or carrier ROM to tweaked ROM's etc. The message can get quite confusing so before I take the plunge I'm hoping someone can clear something up for me. I have the Orange (UK) branded TyTnII (Kaiser?) and would like to have the original HTC ROM instead. I have already downloaded this from elsewhere on the forum. I am guessing that this will also change the current radio ROM. Some posts indicate that you must have the phone unlocked before doing this and others that you just need to install the hard SPL to change the ROM. The last thing I want is to have a locked phone, so could anyone advise which of two claims are correct?

You must use hardSPl and then you can flash every rom you want ...
TQM

1. Install HardSPL
2. ...you can install all the ROM you want !

If you flash the radio, then your orange phone will be locked, and will cost you to get it unlocked. I made this mistake, lucky for me, Orange love me so much they sent me a new one
With the new one, I have flashed roms, just make sure they don't change the radio, and you'll be fine.
Ps. You still need to flash HardSPL first.

Ran hard SPL, then ran the HTC ROM now phone is sim locked, which is what I feared. Where can I get the unlock code from? Would like ASAP, Orange take around 2 weeks to provide this.

http://www.imei-check.co.uk/kaiser-unlock.php
This site didn't work for me, I contacted them, and they're aware of the problem, and are working on a fix, it has worked for the majority of people though, and its what everyone else recommends, it'll cost your £20.

Thanks for the quick response, I have followed the instructions on the web site but phone will not connect to active sync as it reports it is locked. Any suggestions?

When mine was locked, it would still connect to activesync, then when I ran their software, it'd crash active-sync and reboot my phone.
I don't know how to get your phone to connect to active-sync, but it can be done, perhaps someone else has a suggestion?

A hard reset has allowed my phone to connect to active sync (phew!) Just waiting for the code. I will let you know how it goes

Recieved unlock code, all now working again, thank goodness. The HTC ROM is an improvement over the Orange one so worthwhile doing. A big thank you to everyone who was kind enough to help out

Glad to hear you got it working

jdennington said:
Recieved unlock code, all now working again, thank goodness. The HTC ROM is an improvement over the Orange one so worthwhile doing. A big thank you to everyone who was kind enough to help out
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I've just upgraded from a hermes which I hardSPL'd without any issues, so I have previous experiance with flashing roms however I've been having problems installing hardSPL on my tytnII and i keep getting a white screen ?
has anybody had any issues with the orange 1.81.61.2 WWE Rom Version and HardSPL.
i've read a number of posts with regards the "alternative" methods have all resulted in the same "white Screen".
Any help would be appriciated because i HATE the Orange icons.
jdennington ..... how are you finding the original HTC Rom compaired to the "Oranged" version ??

I used the methods described here, they worked for me when I had the same issue you did:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061

jdennington:
Just wondered what difference you noticed changing from Orange to HTC ROM, apart from the cosmetic ones. By changing menu options, installing multitudinous cab files and tweaking various settings, I have made it such that you would be hard pressed to find any sign of Orange on my phone. As such, i have not bothered with a ROM flash.
Just wondered if you have noticed any performance gains from the flash, or is it just the cosmetic gain you were after?

HTC ROM Tytn II
Hi, looks as though I'm in the same boat but in Australia. My HTC Tytn II was purchased in Hong Kong and now I get an error when trying to install TomTom 6 that says incorrect ROM version? I have blackberry running as well (don't know if that interferes or not). Anyway, does it mean I have to change my ROM to original HTC Tytn II ROM to avoid the Hong Kong version (they told me it was the English version though) and other things work. Please help as I'm out of my depth here.
Annie

anyone knows about schaps_wm6pro_kaiser_4.22_full
Thanks

fisha21
I cant say I have noticed any improvement with response now that the HTC ROM is loaded. However there are a few applications that were not on the Orange ROM that I now have. The look and feel of the phone seems so much better, oh and this morning was the first time I was able to hear a caller whilst using a bluetooth hands free ear piece. I'm not a fan of the cooked ROM's but thats a personal preference, from what I read, there are some very successful ones out there giving a lot of users a much improved Kaiser.

How to Unlock Kaiser
Hi Everybody, I already ran the HardSPL on my Kaiser (which is from Orange). Right now I'm in Colombia but I don't really know how to get the new ROM and how do I do to charge it into the PDA. Of course, my fear is that it is SIM locked. Where can I get the htc ROM and the instructions to load it? THANX

Is this an easy fix?

I bought a TyTN II, unlocked HTC model. It seems to be a grey import, alghtough it has a "GB" serial, the box says Singapre/Vietnam.
The GPRS networks are all from Asia/Pacific. I cannot get it to connect to AT&T.
I've searched but cannot find a quick answer (or any, in fact). Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Keith

Try these - the carrier settings for the Kaiser/Tilt are the same as for the Hermes/TyTN, so they should work.....(famous last words)...
From @MrDSL - this post and associated CABs
From @wpbear - this post / CAB
HTH,
Mark.

Thanks Mark, these are Cingular - do you know if that's the same files as needed for AT&T (or are they the same now)?
Any danger of bricking at all by running these?
Keith
(Fellow Brit )

you cant BRICK a device simply by installing settings onto it.
you can brick a device by flashing a device that doesnt have hardspl on it however

andaroo said:
you cant BRICK a device simply by installing settings onto it.
you can brick a device by flashing a device that does have hardspl on it however
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Hmmm...methinks a typo crept in there
If a device has HardSPL installed, then it is protected from becoming a brick due to a bad flash....
@tanglin - I'm pretty sure that "Cingular Wireless" is the new name for AT&T if I remember right. As @andaroo correctly stated, it won't do any harm to install the Cingular CABs to see if that fixes your Kaiser/TyTN II so that it works with your provider.....let's face it, it's more likely to work than the current Far East networks you've got configured
If you're in it for the duration and considering flashing an updated ROM, you would do well to read the Kaiser wiki - there's a page on there relating to a ROM by Quentin - Q-Mobile 1.2 - which is pretty damn good....plus Quentin has an "AT&T specific" version that will have all the correct settings built in.
There's plenty of other AT&T/Cingular users on the Kaiser forums, so you should get a response from someone who knows exactly what you need.
Enjoy!!
Mark.

So I took a deep breath...
Grabbed the 8525 cab and installed it. Rebooted, and voila, 3G right away with AT&T!
Mark, many thanks for your help. Now I just want to find a way to tidy up the Network Wizard combo list (with all the Asian countries in) and I'm set. But since the phone's working OK, I'm relieved I didn't just drop $800 on a grey import which did not work.
BTW, I am getting good support from the vendor I bought it from, so I don't feel too bad. For example, TomTom is not on this phone, so they provided a link. The s/w I downloaded would not install (invalid PowerPC application), so they said they would send it to me on a 1GB card. Not bad if they actually do! However I do want to put in an 8GB card anyway so I'll probably buy the nav software - it's one of the main things I want the phone for anyway.
If the vendor does come up with the goods, I'll post their name. It was $100 cheaper than the one my colleague uses (obviously the grey import has something to do with that!) but the support seems to be very good from a reseller.
Thanks again for the help!!

Internet connection - USB/Bluetooth

Not sure how this has come about but I used to be able to connect to internet really easily through my work laptop when the TyTn II was connected by either Bluetooth or USB. Now I don't seem to be able to connect to either????
When connecting through USB I seem to be able to connect to the PC via 'Internet Sharing' which also lights up the 'Data Connection' icon but when I try to use IE it just says 'Cannot connect using current settings'. Thing is, I haven't changed anything and it used to work fine. Getting a bit fed up with the whole TyTn II at moment as I seem to spend more time fathoming why it's not doing what I want than doing it. Beginning to think a seperate phone/PDA may be best way ahead.
Unsure of whether the problem is related to the official 6.1 upgrade or the install of NoData (as I got fed up with accidentally hitting the weather and Quick GPS refresh and having the phone eat money).
Regardless of what I try I can't seem to get it to connect to internet albeit phone shows as connected via both Bluetooth or USB.
Short of solving this (and I'm not sure where to start) I'm temted to do a reflash and leave out things like No Data etc etc and just see if it works again. Bit of a nuisance really.
Tried searching all manner of related topics but no joy so far

It is a problem with the WM 6.1 official HTC update
I had exactly the same problem in reverse with my TyTN II when it was running the WM 6.1 (the same official HTC ROM that you have). By 'in reverse' I mean I couldn't initially do internet related things on the TyTN II using my home internet (either via USB or Bluetooth connection). It was fine before but after the upgrade thats when the problem occurred. I didn't have any additional software installed apart from Tomtom Navigator 6.032 (HTC Version) so I don't think your NoData install will be to blame (at least not solely). I did manage to get pocket IE working under these circumstances though after I had a fiddle around in the connections tab under settings - or was it Activesyncs settings.... I could never get the automatic Quick GPS updates to occur though, even under those settings and I still had to manually update (although it did use the home internet connection when I did this).
I remember that I changed a drop down selection from something along the lines of this device is connected to 'Auto' to make it 'The Internet'. Sorry for being so vague but I've now reverted to the original WM 6.0 ROM (more precisely I had HTC do it for free under the warranty) and none of the options I'm looking at now ring any bells. Perhaps someone else recalls more clearly what settings change is required.
I think the most important part of your post is:
Empgamer said:
Getting a bit fed up with the whole TyTn II at moment as I seem to spend more time fathoming why it's not doing what I want than doing it.
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Thats how I felt about the HTC upgrade that wasn't. I was quick to go down the upgrade path but since it's been back with WM 6.0 other than a few uncommanded resets in the first day or two which haven't since reoccured, the device is now rock solid again. Of course it'd be nice to think the latest HTC upgrade didn't introduce more problems than were already present but in my experience their current update is more trouble than it's worth (and you haven't even mentioned GPS). If you decide you want it reverted under warranty, I found the HTC Repair Centre (at least here in the UK) to do a fine job of it. I dropped off my phone in the morning, after booking it in over ther phone the day before and it was ready at the end of the same day.

Flying Kiwi said:
If you decide you want it reverted under warranty, I found the HTC Repair Centre (at least here in the UK) to do a fine job of it. I dropped off my phone in the morning, after booking it in over ther phone the day before and it was ready at the end of the same day.
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Or you can always download the original shipped roms here off the wiki and flash it yourself. It only takes about 10 minutes. You dont have to download a special SPL for an OEM rom
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs

The spl is an issue - reverting it
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Or you can always download the original shipped roms here off the wiki and flash it yourself.
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I was tempted to do that myself (and even asked HTC for the downgrade file to do so) but there are a couple of issues for those of us that like to keep things 'HTC Official'. A big one for me is that since HTC was responsible for creating the buggy WM 6.1 ROM, they should also accept responsibility for fixing it (fat chance of that, I agree with what -888- wrote in the WM 6.0 vs. WM 6.1 thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432482&page=4 along the lines of the best developers being assigned to the latest and greatest products). If they're not going to fix it, then they should at least revert the device to a reliable state. I was in a fortunate position to be in the area of the HTC Repair Centre but if it means sending the phone away, I understand why some might prefer the DIY option.
It only takes about 10 minutes. You dont have to download a special SPL for an OEM rom
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There's alot to digest about ROM (and Radio and spl) flashing in the wiki and that takes much more than 10 mins. Although a special spl such as hardSPL isn't used with the HTC official setups, the spl does need to be reverted from the 3.28 version with the official WM 6.1 WWE, back to a 1.xx version with WM 6.0 for proper functioning. That isn't just a simple case of running the RUU program like the upgrade to WM 6.1 was - it has to be manually reverted (presumably using something like jumpSPL and the procedure in the wiki for restoring a device for warranty purposes) so it gets more complicated. I was expecting spl version something along the lines of 1.56 on my WM 6.0 setup (to match the ROM numbers) but they installed 1.93, presumably because it was more reliable or offered other performance benifits. Perhaps the ideal spl is in the package already but again this cant just be run like the WM 6.1 upgrade was so there's some jiggery pokery involved

I tend to agree. Not sure why I really bothered with 6.1. One of the first things I did was use Kaiser Tweaks to turn threaded SMS off.
I didn't realise that reverting to WM 6.0 would require more than reflashing so that makes it a little more problematic. I'm not near a HTC Centre. The whole device certainly seems more buggy under 6.1 than it did before and this internet through laptop problem is a nuisance. Being fairly unimpressed with Co-Pilot I don't use GPS that much and, withe the aside that i think I've used the keyboard twice since I had it (another 'essential' I'd put on my list for phone/PDA attributes), I'm beginning to wonder if return to factor state and sell it might not be the better option, reverting to a Nokia E51 and Ipaq 214 Enterprise combination

Post is an option.
Empgamer said:
I'm beginning to wonder if return to factor state and sell it might not be the better option, reverting to a Nokia E51 and Ipaq 214 Enterprise combination
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Of course it's up to you but don't forget that even though you may not be near a HTC Repair Centre, you could still call them up on the phone to make the booking and post the device to them once you've arranged to have it reverted. They should do it for free but confirm this so you don't get any unpleasant surprises.