Has anyone tried this with the alpine? I'm thinking of testing it out, to get VGA resolution, and it lists compatibility with the IIi. The only thing is that it may require me to hard-reset in case of problems or brick my phone.
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I don't mind trying this experiment myself if I knew ahead of time I wouldn't brick my 750.
Basically, is it possible (now that we know WM6 supports 320x320) to take a Treo 680 LCD and swap it into the Treo 750 to then get 320x320 resolution?
According to Palm's Tech guys, NO. The WM6 ROM supports the 320X320 res. but not the Palm hardware. I wanted to try the same thing.
unkabuzz said:
According to Palm's Tech guys, NO. The WM6 ROM supports the 320X320 res. but not the Palm hardware. I wanted to try the same thing.
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I wonder if anyone out there has actually tried this and can report it here?
I just tested by pulling out my wife's Treo 680 320x320 LCD into my Teo 750v.....but guess what....when I powered up, the LCD only show a white blank screen
It was not compatibile.
hagenuk said:
I just tested by pulling out my wife's Treo 680 320x320 LCD into my Teo 750v.....but guess what....when I powered up, the LCD only show a white blank screen
It was not compatibile.
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Well, I guess that answers that Big time bummer!
You would need a different display driver integrated into windows mobile... even assuming the display adapter hardware is capable of 320x320 output. It might be seeing as the 320x320 treo 755 might use the same display adapter, but this is still a large assumption.
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You would need a different display driver integrated into windows mobile... even assuming the display adapter hardware is capable of 320x320 output. It might be seeing as the 320x320 treo 755 might use the same display adapter, but this is still a large assumption.
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Hmm, so basically I need to find a 755p and put the screen in my 750 and see what happens?
No. Ames tried to explain it will not be probably possible.
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No. Ames tried to explain it will not be probably possible.
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"will not" and "probably possible" <--- which one is your final answer? lol
Thank you for a correction and for a notice, my english is bad and I just wanted to say that Ames probably wanted to tell that it will not be possible. To be correct, I think he explained that it can be pretty hard or impossible - there are too many "if".
- if the graphic adaptor supports the screen (key fact!)
- if you will find the correct driver (you even don't know if it is a generic driver)
- if it wil be possible to you to use the driver (I think the screen is not PnP)
Have a nice day!
w.
I'm sure it's possible, but finding a usable driver is the key (sounds like). And since I don't know of a Windows Device that actually displays 320x320, I think that is were we get stopped in our tracks.
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I'm sure it's possible, but finding a usable driver is the key (sounds like). And since I don't know of a Windows Device that actually displays 320x320, I think that is were we get stopped in our tracks.
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Samsung i780 - eventually.
Its not just a matter of finding any driver that supports 320x320
Let me offer a comparison cause a lot of people are more familar with the computer side of things. Lets say you wanted to run a 2560 x 1600 resolution monitor (like Apples 30" Cinema Display) on your desktop computer
On a desktop you would need:
Money: A lot of money Sorry I couldn't resist, lol. k, back on topic.
Screen: Not just any old monitor can run every resolution... you'd need one that did 2560 x 1600. No your Dell 15" flatpanel won't cut it... no matter how hard you try.
OS: You need an operating system that can handle the resolution... Windows 3.1 for example cannot.
Hardware: You'd need a graphics card that could run 2560 x 1600... no a Geforce MX400 aint gonna do it, nor will a ATI Rage LT Pro.
Interface: Slightly different than hardware, you need a connection that can run 2560 x 1600... a standard VGA (read traditional analog) monitor plug won't do it. You need DVI.. and dual link at that. This includes the port and the cabling. Obviously they need to be compatible too, you can't plug a VGA monitor into a DVI plug (and don't tell me about the adapters out there that let you do this, what the computer is actually doing is passing a VGA signal through the DVI plug). There is no actual conversion.
Driver: You need a driver that will support it, and no you can't use a Nvidia Geforce 8800GTX driver on a Geforce MX400 and suddenly end up with 2560 x 1600 support. You can't use an ATI driver on a Nvidia card either, if you were wondering
k, now back to the cellphone world...
Screen: Got that covered if your taking one from a 680.
OS: Also got that covered if you are running WM6. Obviously on WM5 this whole thing would be no go.
Hardware: It is unknown whether the display adapter chip used for video output on the 750 is the same as the 680... it may be if Palm thought it was cheaper to produce a universal display adapter... but more than likely its not (thereby saving Palm money on producing the 750). Someone with technical documents may be able to determine this. If the adapter doesn't support 320x320, the next two sections are a moot point.
Interface: Even if the adapter is the same, the display adapter may not have all the display connector pins hooked up if they were deemed unnecessary... on rare occasions solder can fix this but more often then not it can't. They also have to be compatible signals... i'm inclined to believe they are because the connectors fit, but thats no guarantee. The screens may be expecting completely different inputs.
Driver: You can't simply stick any WM6 driver that supports 320x320 inside a Treo and expect it to work... the chances of the display adapters being the same are slim and this would be like installing ATI drivers for a Nvidia graphics card. The Samsung i780 likely doesn't use the same display adapter as the Treo 750 is my main point here. The Treo 800 (or whatever its called when it eventually comes out) might but have a compatible driver but its highly unlikely, assuming the device even supports 320x320 (though I think its safe to assume it will).
Hope this helps a little... basically i'm not trying to discourage anyone from trying this but its not one of those lets seem if it works kind of projects. It will probably require weeks of work if even possible (and theres way to many maybes up there for me to say it is).
Thank you Ames! This clears up a lot of things I was pondering. I think it would be less stressful to just deal with the low (but definitely not bad by any means) 240x240 and wait for the 800 (or like you mentioned: "whatever they call it when it comes out").
Initially, I was just hoping, just hoping Palm made their 750, 680, 755p close enough in hardware/connections/adapters etc., that us enthusiasts could just swap in a 320x320 screen ...but nope.
I have a presentation coming up at the end of this week. I would love to be able to have the video from my kaiser (tilt) broadcast to my projector. Is there any way at all this is possible?
If it isn't, is there a way to capture a session on my tilt and save it as a wmv or something? I know I am stretching here and can do it without this, but it would add some extra pizzaz if I could run it from my phone!
Thanks in advance for all your great work...
M
you can display the contents of your phone on your computer via My Mobiler, However, attaching a projector to your kaiser is a no-can-do. The kaiser does not have any method of TV-out.
I know theres a few more programs available.
Try searching a bit more on your particular problem as it has been addressed before on these boards.
Thanks. If I can display on my computer then I can hook the projector up to that...I will look in to the program you mention.
I recently tried (and quickly changed again!) a ROM with a different dpi (96?) but found that I HAD to use the stylus to do practially anything in it. In other WinMo devices I've had "mouse pointer" software to work with trackballs/ pointing devices and wondered if anyone had found whether the Shift touchpad can be used from WinMo.
I imagine it's a bit like the SD card, USB etc stuff that alls needs serious work to get talking to WinMo but thought it was worth asking
As far as I know, the attempts at making OpenGL ES drivers for the TyTN II have been discontinued. But why did the developers decide to abandon the project?
Did the developers of the drivers ever release the source of their work for any other developers to pick up and continue where the first developers left off?
Has it ever been confirmed that the hardware actually does/doesn't exist and is/isn't wired in such a way that a driver can be used to add OpenGL ES support? I mean, even if the chip exists and is accessible by the OS, it doesn't have to mean that the chip is connected to the display of the device in such a way that you can utilize its features.
If so, it's be pretty much like having a computer with a powerful video card, but without the monitor connected to the card.. Instead the monitor is connected to a poor performance card in the same computer, making it possible to use the powerful card to generate "screenshots" which are then simply displayed through the poor performance card, but still without achieving the same performance as you would if the monitor had been connected directly to the powerful video card.
Can someone update me a bit on the progress, or perhaps direct me to the right place to read more? I used to closely watch the htcclassaction.org website, but now that website seems to be dead, without any info about why the development just stopped.
I know that this device is getting old and pretty much belongs to the history books now, but now that android is being ported for the TyTN II, the device may have a new chance of seeing daylight again. Perhaps someone is willing to take a look at the driver issue again and make some TyTN II video driver for android? I certainly hope that the development didn't stop because it was simply impossible to make a driver. After all, you cannot write a driver for hardware that doesn't exist.
Thanks.
yeah, up for this, and is there any driver that will install on the default wm 6.1? thanks for the upcoming reply people
I don't think it's a matter of history yet. The newer devices that have physical keyboards have the same chipset and, therefore, same performance issues they TyTN II has. That extra 124mhz the Touch Pro/2 have aren't doing much to remedy the problem.
Excuse me, what's the currently true problem ?
Some OpenGL ES applications don't runs ? ( an example ? ) or they runs too slowly ? ( an example ? ).
In my "beta" configuration everything seems to work decently.
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Stefano G.
I think some people were working on it most recently under the development and hacking thread...search Neos2007 open vg drivers...They managed to get some accelleration in much newer msm7201A devices with the ati d3d drivers but when I tried it on my tilt it had a device exception error when I ran some d3d samples...What worked for me for now was:
1. Disable manila/chome
then
2. intall Gfxboost 1.1 by chainfire
then
3. install neos2007 driverpack 2A
then
4. install HTC-CA drivers
By following the procedure above I was able to actually run the program GL benchmark and most of the d3d samples (except text) but somehow some d3d samples break the drivers too...
I have tried some Kaiser " SuperRam - 101/102 MB " roms,
nobody was completely compatible with HTC-CA drivers.
With my rom ( no SuperRAm ) I obtain the best result replacing
the DLL "ahi2dati.dll" with a renamed copy of "ahi2dati_dm.dll".
Regards.
Anyone had any luck getting a Redfly to work with the HD2?
I got a C8 and they're trying to give me a firmware workaround to it might work with WM6.5 (since they're only supporting their newer models from now on), but still no driver working adequately for the HD2.
The latest driver kinda works but my phone usually needs a soft reset after disconnection.
... might be stuck with just using my bluetooth keyboard for a while but I did like the 8-hour battery life and the bigger screen too.
I wish I had an answer for you but...sorry. But I'm also a C8 owner and Oh! how I wish I could have it work.
The available driver totally locked my HD2 so I had to hard reset.
it works for usb connection. for bluetooth, i havent test.
it should works, but first u have to upgrade redfly firmware to 1.5
>>p.s. i use miri's 2.1 rom. its is awesome. many thanks to him
Updates:
Bluetooth connection is working. Everything is fine. I even got teeter the game running, u can tilt the leo for controlling g sensor while video is fed to redfly c8 screen.
Sorry but which driver did you use?
I had to hard reset too
After installing the latest Redfly cab in my HD2 it would not finish the boot anymore.
So battery out, hard reset and a nice hour of re-installs.....
Today it worked with some limitations
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works today, the hardreset may have helped after all....
And the limitations are:
- a soft reset after each disconnect is required. A second connection without the soft reset blocks the HD2
- BT kinda works, some keys do not seem to respond and often the HD2 blocks
- Email application, IM+ and internet pocket explorer work well, have not tested much the other apps
(these are the ones I will mainly use in the Redfly)
Using USB connection
- Some USB sticks can be read (not all of them)
- VGA output works even for 800x600 resolution. Photo album works, but not slideshow.
Does anyone here still have the drivers for the Redfly? If so, please attach them to a reply. Their website is gone.