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Hello,
I am considering buying a WM smartphone and I am tossing between these two.
I would appreciate an honest opinion regarding these devices (which cost a lot here), especially by people who worked with both of them.
I could have gone with MTeoR, but the lack of WiFi bothers me
On the other hand, is Tornado considered old(?) now that MTeoR is out (and probably not supported anymore)?
Many thanks in advance.
I've had them both (still have actually :lol: ), and to be honest, I can't decide which one to sell.
The Tornado is a great phone, and with the most recent firmware, quite bug free, and almost all software works without a hitch. I personally don't really use the wireless but GPRS works well. The only problem with the Tornado is that it's, IMHO, looking a little dated, and is also a bit plastic-y.
The Mteor is a great phone- it's one of those phones that you pick up and think "this feels nice" (bear in mind I'm someone who bought a Nokia 8800). Mostly it works really well, but there are a few teething issues- TomTom does not work perfectly, sometimes calls go thru to voicemail when there's a good signal, the battery life can be quite poor and I find the jogdial a bit irritating (when the phone rings, rocking the jog dial silences the call, so sometime I only get short rings when the phone is in my pocket). However, I like the quality of the phone (all metal construction, no squeeks, I think it looks good).
So overall, the Tornado- good, works well, genuine quad band (and I travel to the US a lot), wifi may be a bonus, lots of users (and hence support), but does not feel like a quality luxury phone. The Mteor- 3G is nice for data (but no vid calling), a bit buggy, but feels like a luxury, professional phone.
To be honest, I'll probably keep the Mteor- it plays music with better quality than the Tornado, plays my videos well, and Tomtom works well enough (just goes silent every so often).
Hope this helps you make your decision
Hi technogeek,
thanks for your report!
I also have a Qtek 8300 (which is a Tornado).
The main reasons why I did not consider switching to the Breeze were:
1. No WLAN (actually I use WLAN on 2 occasions: When I'm at home and relaxing or reading a newspaper or watching TV and something comes to my mind which I MUST google. Then I grasp the phone, which is connected to my Access Point and simply google what I want. Without the need to boot a PC or leaving the sofa or paying for GPRS and much faster. And when I am on a meeting at work for just the same purpose.) Going back from a WLAN phone (Tornado) to a non-WLAN phone is strange. I just wonder why HTC did that.
2. No Video Phone:
I am not using this on a daily basis that's true. But sometimes I lacked it (and it works great on a Nokia 6680 for instance). The Breeze isn't really cheap, one can well expect it to have VT. Actually the Dopod has!
3. Only 1.3mpx cam as has the Tornado. Well I have a good digital camera, but I only have the phone with me permanently, so I'd like some device capable of making usable snapshot or flipchart reports. Making a foto of a flipchart with 1.3mpx and adding it to a meeting minutes is ridiculous.
These are only 3 reasons, which were obvious, without having had the Breeze ever in my hands.
On all photos the device looks cute and I really regret that it lacks these features.
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The Tornado is however very reliable as a phone: With the AKU2 firmware I never experienced lockups and the speaker sound quality is loud and good during phone calls (it is low and poor on a HTC TyTN e.g.) and the screen resolution is excellent.
Can you confirm that the Breeze has an equal screen and sound quality than the Tornado ?
Best regards
ghl10000
P.S.
@technogeek:
Have you got the AKU2 firmware on the Tornado and maybe a non-WWE version of the Tornado?
I'd like to use Splashblog, the only photoblogger software for MS Smartphones, but the network connection does not work. Have you ever tried it yourself ?
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I've had them both (still have actually :lol: ), and to be honest, I can't decide which one to sell.
The Tornado is a great phone, and with the most recent firmware, quite bug free, and almost all software works without a hitch. I personally don't really use the wireless but GPRS works well. The only problem with the Tornado is that it's, IMHO, looking a little dated, and is also a bit plastic-y.
The Mteor is a great phone- it's one of those phones that you pick up and think "this feels nice" (bear in mind I'm someone who bought a Nokia 8800). Mostly it works really well, but there are a few teething issues- TomTom does not work perfectly, sometimes calls go thru to voicemail when there's a good signal, the battery life can be quite poor and I find the jogdial a bit irritating (when the phone rings, rocking the jog dial silences the call, so sometime I only get short rings when the phone is in my pocket). However, I like the quality of the phone (all metal construction, no squeeks, I think it looks good).
So overall, the Tornado- good, works well, genuine quad band (and I travel to the US a lot), wifi may be a bonus, lots of users (and hence support), but does not feel like a quality luxury phone. The Mteor- 3G is nice for data (but no vid calling), a bit buggy, but feels like a luxury, professional phone.
To be honest, I'll probably keep the Mteor- it plays music with better quality than the Tornado, plays my videos well, and Tomtom works well enough (just goes silent every so often).
Hope this helps you make your decision
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Hi
I went through all the threads and could not find any one discussing these 2 problems!
when setting up you mail account you can't see what you are writing!!!! and it seems that it is the same for most of the writing in the machine .....!! any Help please
2nd .. what is the best setup for getting a continuous 3g signal? my Nokia has it all the time! I can not make vedio calls
I am using ROM 1.35.456.3 and radio 0.93.25.ns26
Besides my HTC Touch Diamond, I also own a Nokia E90(for daily work) and a Nokia N95 8GB(when having family quality time, mostly weekends).
So far, I don't know of any HTC device to be only even close to Nokia's 3G reception quality. The E90 has full HSDPA signal reception, almost same with the N95 8GB in our bedroom, no problems here to check emails, get attachements ultrafast.
The Touch Diamond doesn't get a HSDPA signal at all(same place on my night desk) and if the "H" shows up(VERY rarely), it is only one bar and it falls back immediately to GPRS or EDGE when I try to download an attachment. Horrible 3G performance.
Regarding Touchflo3D and the "keyboard": I can't hide the feeling that HTC rushed things with the Touch Diamond. The reason could be the early introduction of the iPhone 3G, it could also be the fact that HTC needed a new "breakthrough" device for their carrier partners. If HTC would have put around 6 more months into Touchflo3D and hardware development, I'm pretty sure we would have seen a very nice product.
Touchflo3D looks absolutely stunning, no doubt about it. If it would work only half as good as it looks...well... I truely hope that during the following months and the additional pressure created through the new iPhone 2 and other interesting products from Nokia and Co., HTC will put more energy into Touchflo3D and hardware development. I wish Microsoft would use Touchflo3D as a benchmark for GUI design(not functionality!) because it really looks good, much better than Apple's iPhone "mini"OSX.
Right now, all early Touch Diamond adopters like us have to live with the flaws this beauty has. It is a stunning device but not even close to perfection. AT LEAST 6 months of software/hardware development are missing from this device, I know it sounds horrible and it is.
Lets hope that HTC and especially the steadily rising Touch Diamond developer community will find a way to improve Touchflo3D performance AND integration into WM6.1. Touchflo3D isn't fully implemented, it is more of a "cover" for WM6.1 and not a very thorough one. I just hope that some people will use this opportunity to embedd the Touchflo3D look even further into WM6.1, right now it looks like a halfbread "something", with that fancy Touchflo3D interface and that dusty WM original interface in one place. This needs to be changed.
P996 said:
Besides my HTC Touch Diamond, I also own a Nokia E90(for daily work) and a Nokia N95 8GB(when having family quality time, mostly weekends).
So far, I don't know of any HTC device to be only even close to Nokia's 3G reception quality. The E90 has full HSDPA signal reception, almost same with the N95 8GB in our bedroom, no problems here to check emails, get attachements ultrafast.
The Touch Diamond doesn't get a HSDPA signal at all(same place on my night desk) and if the "H" shows up(VERY rarely), it is only one bar and it falls back immediately to GPRS or EDGE when I try to download an attachment. Horrible 3G performance.
Regarding Touchflo3D and the "keyboard": I can't hide the feeling that HTC rushed things with the Touch Diamond. The reason could be the early introduction of the iPhone 3G, it could also be the fact that HTC needed a new "breakthrough" device for their carrier partners. If HTC would have put around 6 more months into Touchflo3D and hardware development, I'm pretty sure we would have seen a very nice product.
Touchflo3D looks absolutely stunning, no doubt about it. If it would work only half as good as it looks...well... I truely hope that during the following months and the additional pressure created through the new iPhone 2 and other interesting products from Nokia and Co., HTC will put more energy into Touchflo3D and hardware development. I wish Microsoft would use Touchflo3D as a benchmark for GUI design(not functionality!) because it really looks good, much better than Apple's iPhone "mini"OSX.
Right now, all early Touch Diamond adopters like us have to live with the flaws this beauty has. It is a stunning device but not even close to perfection. AT LEAST 6 months of software/hardware development are missing from this device, I know it sounds horrible and it is.
Lets hope that HTC and especially the steadily rising Touch Diamond developer community will find a way to improve Touchflo3D performance AND integration into WM6.1. Touchflo3D isn't fully implemented, it is more of a "cover" for WM6.1 and not a very thorough one. I just hope that some people will use this opportunity to embedd the Touchflo3D look even further into WM6.1, right now it looks like a halfbread "something", with that fancy Touchflo3D interface and that dusty WM original interface in one place. This needs to be changed.
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Would be interested to know which rom your using and which network your on???. Reason i ask is that im with tmobile and their 3G coverage is brilliant, with my n95 8gb i could easily get 3.5g access but seeing as im getting my Diamond tommorrow...if im going to have major issues getting a decent 3g signal then the phone is no good to me.
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Hi
when setting up you mail account you can't see what you are writing!!!! and it seems that it is the same for most of the writing in the machine .....!! any Help please
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Yep! anoying as hell. the only thing you can do is turn the keyboard off to see what you wrote, and then turn it back on to finish typing (the icon in the center bottom of the screen just in case u didnt know - but i'm sure u did!)
Or in some windows u can scroll the window down.
I tell you whats worse tho.. when you open opera and the HTC search page comes up.. you can't see what your trying either!
someone1234 said:
Yep! anoying as hell. the only thing you can do is turn the keyboard off to see what you wrote, and then turn it back on to finish typing (the icon in the center bottom of the screen just in case u didnt know - but i'm sure u did!)
Or in some windows u can scroll the window down.
I tell you whats worse tho.. when you open opera and the HTC search page comes up.. you can't see what your trying either!
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Thanks, Actually what I mean is not the words hidden behind the keyboard , try to setup an e-mail account and you will see what I mean.....> you can see the box , but the words are invisible -----the invisible words ... very unprofessional work , I can't believe this
the 3g coverage is great for my E90 , but for this Diamond it is only Edge ....
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Thanks, Actually what I mean is not the words hidden behind the keyboard , try to setup an e-mail account and you will see what I mean.....> you can see the box , but the words are invisible -----the invisible words ... very unprofessional work , I can't believe this
the 3g coverage is great for my E90 , but for this Diamond it is only Edge ....
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hmm i setup my email yesterday and didn't have that problem at all.
I'm using the UK rom 1.37.405.1
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hmm i setup my email yesterday and didn't have that problem at all.
I'm using the UK rom 1.37.405.1
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I guess they fixed it between 1.35 and 1.37 ... it is really annoying ....
if anyone has upgraded ... please give me your feedback , I did not see this issue in any other thread.
and is there a solution to this bad 3g reception?
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I guess they fixed it between 1.35 and 1.37 ... it is really annoying ....
if anyone has upgraded ... please give me your feedback , I did not see this issue in any other thread.
and is there a solution to this bad 3g reception?
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the 3g reception is OK now , I changed the operator and it worked. strange it works with certain operators only .
left with the hidden letters problem
My girlfriend just bought an HTC Vogue from Verizon, while I have the Tilt. With all the camera/video problems our phones have, I took the time to compare hers with mine, since hers is on the list of affected devices as well.
I haven't had the chance to play with video playback yet, but the OS seems 10x snappier than my tilt, as well, the Camera on her vogue maintained its framerate even in dark areas, where mine became unusable.
I found this interesting, and didn't see anyone else comparing these two device before.
Just thought I'd throw it out there for the great minds at XDA to mull over.
I'll take some videos later and post them so you can see whats happening.
I own both and prefer the XV6900 over my Tilt. Things are even better when you put a custom ROM on the Verizon and get GPS & fast (1.5-2mb) Rev. A download speeds + free tethering...
We'll see what happens when the next Tilt-type phone comes to AT&T.
Dave
I agree, when I used the camera on my brothers new XV6900 I was pretty impressed. And it does also feel snappier.
I'm not so sure how drivers and that sort of thing work on mobile phones, but how possible is it that we could use the software inthe vogue for the camera functions to make our cameras function like that? and how possible is it that these phones might have something that could help our 2D issue?
I know we've been looking at the touch dual and the polaris and such. But from what I understand, the 7500 is similar to our 7200 and beyond that the specs seem to be the same.
The camera: have we been able to come to a consensus that its a hardware issue that is causing out problem? I would love to see something come from this phone that might fix it. The VX6900 doesn't seem to try and brighten up really dark images, kind of like the fix for the tilt that stops the focus alltogether, but in lighter areas its fine. Could a piece of software or some soft of files from the vx6900 offer any benefit to the tilts camera?
It seems to me that we might be able to learn from this, and i have'nt seen this device investigated toward the tilt scene at all.
2D benefits?
I simply loaded up the /windows/ folder on both devices, as there are an enormous about of icons and such, and as expected the tilt ran slow, and i could watch the icons pop onto the screen every time i shifted to the top of bottom of /windows/ while the 6900 loaded it all quickly.
I won't be able to have access to the 6900 again untill my gf is at work, but I'll post more when I can. and if any of the people involved with the driver issue of thinks I may be on to something I'm willing to help out provided you can explain how to do whatever it is i may need to do.
I very recently bumped to the TouchFLO 2D interface on my Tilt, and have fallen in love with my phone all over again.
I took the time to attempt Android, and while it is still being developed and buggy and such, the nature of the interface alone is not as intuitive (to me) as HTC has made TouchFLO.
Anyone else tried Android? Anyone else sort of disappointed, at least initially?
I've had a small play with Android running on a friend's Kaiser, and honestly I'm not liking the look of it at all.
That said Google Maps is much nicer in Android.
Oops - Double post
I've been playing with the Android port to Kaiser (see this thread), have played with the emulator that's part of the SDK and played on a Android G1 phone.
I found the interface to be intuitive and have been able to navigate my way around the usual features with ease. It has a few rough edges but in general I'm very impressed.
The guys doing the port to the Kaiser are making tremendous progress, with big improvements coming almost daily. That said there's still a lot of work to do before it's ready to replace Windows Mobile. If the port is completed (and I suspect it will be) then I'm pretty sure I'll make the switch and give up on Windows mobile.
So no, I'm not disappointed with Android. I'm just disappointed I can't run it on my Kaiser properly yet ;-)
Cheers,
Lanroth
I really like android on my Kaiser. It is getting more upon usable release. The only problems I see are with connectivity like cellular service and Wi-Fi, calls only being on speakerphone, the issue where if you open the keyboard-the screen rotates the wrong way, and the touchscreen calibration being off. Android for Kaiser has come a long way from the simple and pretty much unusable test version that couldn't do really anything. Also, all the problems I mentioned above are currently being worked on my our best and brightest developers. Although I will certainly stick with windows mobile as my primary OS, I will definitely use Android more as it becomes more stable. All in all, I'm very happy with it.
Dave
Hi Guys,
I am coming from Symbian to Windows Mobile. I have a HTC Fuze and can't seem to figure a few things out.
1. In Nokia (Symbian) you can setup your email and other data services to use your home wi-fi when you are in home. When you are outside, it will use 3G/GPRS etc. automatically (once preferred access points are setup). I can't figure this out with HTC FUZE. Everytime I have to turn on and off the Wi-FI Connection (Connection Manager -> wi-fi ON or OFF). if I leave it on, it keeps popping up with networks that it finds. If I leave it Off, it doesn't use wi-fi to retrieve emails and other things when am at home. I am sure this should be easy... Help !!!
2. When I set my phone in Vibrate mode, it doesn't even play music through headphones. I have to set it "ON" mode for it to even play music. This is annoying. At work, I want the phone to be in vibrate mode but still listen to music through head phone every now and then and not worry about my phone ringing. Is there a simple fix? Am I missing something??
3. When the phone is in Vibrate mode, I would like it to vibrate for incoming emails. it does not do that.
4. What is the best recommended "TODAY" Screen plug-in/program for wm 6.5 other than the titanium one?
I am using NATF's Win 6.5 latest ROM.
I appreciate all your help.
Best,
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Hi Guys,
I am coming from Symbian to Windows Mobile. I have a HTC Fuze and can't seem to figure a few things out.
1. In Nokia (Symbian) you can setup your email and other data services to use your home wi-fi when you are in home. When you are outside, it will use 3G/GPRS etc. automatically (once preferred access points are setup). I can't figure this out with HTC FUZE. Everytime I have to turn on and off the Wi-FI Connection (Connection Manager -> wi-fi ON or OFF). if I leave it on, it keeps popping up with networks that it finds. If I leave it Off, it doesn't use wi-fi to retrieve emails and other things when am at home. I am sure this should be easy... Help !!!
2. When I set my phone in Vibrate mode, it doesn't even play music through headphones. I have to set it "ON" mode for it to even play music. This is annoying. At work, I want the phone to be in vibrate mode but still listen to music through head phone every now and then and not worry about my phone ringing. Is there a simple fix? Am I missing something??
3. When the phone is in Vibrate mode, I would like it to vibrate for incoming emails. it does not do that.
4. What is the best recommended "TODAY" Screen plug-in/program for wm 6.5 other than the titanium one?
I am using NATF's Win 6.5 latest ROM.
I appreciate all your help.
Best,
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1) I think you can go to Settings>personal>Sounds&Notifications and turn off the found new network notifications on the notifications tab (you also may be able to settings>wifi and change whether it scans or not, scanning seems like it would drain the battery)
2) The volume screen usually (depends on rom) has two tabs, one for sounds, one for ringer, so you could have sounds but vibe instead of ringer. Other than some 3rd party service that switches the volume settings based on the headphone port, i think that's about as good as it gets.
3) In that same settings>personal>sounds menu, you can change the new email notification to vibrate or sound and vibrate or whatever. it has to include vibrate in that setting though to vibrate ever.
4) I like the old-school HTC Home, or similarly SPB PocketPlus or SPB Diary. If you're looking for something fancier, lots of people use the Touchflo 3d (which can work in 6.5) or SPB Mobile Shell (there's a demo of version 3 on their website)
Hope I helped some, I know the windows mobile limitations can be annoying, but they're pretty minor overall (imho). All things considered, I've been a big fan for years, you just need to use a lot of 3rd party apps and tools.
Good luck, finding XDA was probably the best thing I ever did for my WinMo phone, hope you have the same experience.
Thank you very much for your reply. I can't seem to find the setting that you mention for turning off wireless scanning. Is this because of the ROM?
Also, if I have both Data Connection and Wi-Fi connection enabled, and say for example run Opera, how do you know which connection it is using? How do we change/specify the connection that opera uses? I am just using Opera as an example... bigger question is emails.
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Thank you very much for your reply. I can't seem to find the setting that you mention for turning off wireless scanning. Is this because of the ROM?
Also, if I have both Data Connection and Wi-Fi connection enabled, and say for example run Opera, how do you know which connection it is using? How do we change/specify the connection that opera uses? I am just using Opera as an example... bigger question is emails.
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Hmm, I think I may have made that setting up
As long as your email account is set to use your Internet Connection (versus Work Connection), which should always be the default, and when you first connected to your wifi, it should have asked something like "This networks connects to: <radio buttons> The Internet, Work Network". As long as everything is "The Internet" you should be good. I don't know how to double check what connection it is actually using except looking at the activity light on your access point, but it should always use wifi over cellular data if wifi is available.
As far as the scanning / battery life, the performance slider in wifi was all i could find. I just use the Comm Manager to toggle wifi as needed, but admittedly I don't use it alot. I could see it being annoying.
So the nokia would know when you were by certain wifi spots and connect, without killing the battery life completely by having wifi on 24/7? That's pretty sweet...
I wonder if it just low power scans Wifi AP's every 5 min or so, maybe someone could make a similar WinMo Service?
I know this is way off topic for this thread, but if anyone has a more raphael specific programming guide, I'd appreciate a link.
I'm taking a look at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa457716.aspx
to see how hard programming is.
Both the headphone thing and the wireless thing would be nice to have as features. I'll see what I can do, but I've never developed for WinMo before, so absolutely no promises on anything =)
Thanks again, Friend.
You are right. I am not sure what happens in Nokia whether it does a low power scan or something... but when you turn off "Wireless scanning" in Nokia, it doesn't aggressively pop up available networks... thats all.
The way I used to do this in Nokia is through preferred access points. You would setup your wifi as your preferred and then the secondary access point would be AT&T network. Whether I use profimail (email client) or fring (chat voip client) they all had such a setting and somehow used wi-fi when I am at home without me doing anything.
BTW, the battery life did suck on my N95 8GB HTC so far has given me way better battery life than the Nokia.
For now, I will leave my WiFi On and see what happens.
The headphone thing is bizarre... I cannot adjust the phone volume only (1st slider bar on that screen) without adjusting the ringer volume. They move together on that screen. I am now in doubt of the ROM... so may be I will try just the plain vanilla Da_G ROM.
I need one general advice - For a newbie like me to winmo who is learning the basics of winmo, should I stay with stable, established ROMs than going to winmo 6.5 right now? should I go back to winmo 6.0? what do you think? Can you suggest a good ROM? I don't need/care to use the TF3D.
I get a lot of emails with attachments and one of the MAIN reason I came to HTC was the ability to edit/read/create Office documents. I will be happy if I can simply tune my HTC to be a good business user phone.
I appreciate your replies. Thanks much!!
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Thanks again, Friend.
I need one general advice - For a newbie like me to winmo who is learning the basics of winmo, should I stay with stable, established ROMs than going to winmo 6.5 right now? should I go back to winmo 6.0? what do you think? Can you suggest a good ROM? I don't need/care to use the TF3D.
I get a lot of emails with attachments and one of the MAIN reason I came to HTC was the ability to edit/read/create Office documents. I will be happy if I can simply tune my HTC to be a good business user phone.
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As far as that goes, I've only used 6.5 for a few days, the deal breaker for me was SPB Diary not working (and SBSH Breeze, i tried both, they do the same thing). I NEED them for getting work done. For some reason it doesn't pull calendar data in 6.5, so I've always used 6.1 ROMS.
I'm actually recently back on EnergyRom2.0 from 4/16/09 (the version without TF3D is my favorite ROM ever, i think) but am tempted to tryout the Gen.Y R3 rom, which is a much newer 6.1 that's supposed to be stable, it's built off his popular HTC Diamond ROM and has the newer goodies like wifi data sharing built in. (i think)
Monx's ROMeos is on his site, you have to donate to get download access, but he has some very nice, fast, stable WM6.1 roms I've used before also.
I think at this point, at least with WM6.1, most of the established roms are fast and stable, it comes down to what you like bundled with it, and what looks good to you.
If you haven't seen it, I'd check out www.blownfuze.org, he talks more about 6.5 roms, and a LOT of other essentials for your phone. (in a very entertaining fashion)