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Hello fellow Wing users. I'm willing to bet that if you're reading this you're probably a little frustrated with your phone's lack of performance. The reason why I'm starting this post is to try and gather in one central location all the improvements that we as local community would like to see happend for the Wing. The idea is for you to complete this sentence:
"The T-Mobile Wing would be a better phone if..."
I have already contacted T-Mobile's customer service and gave them my suggestions,but I thought it might be a good idea to see what other users are looking for/need. Any idea is a valid idea, and after a month I'll draft a letter and we can all send it to customer service. And if we see more things that need to be added we can send it monthly with new updates. Sound good?
So this is what we have so far:
1. [email protected]
2. Official ROM
3. non-Buggy My Favs Program
4. Screen Lock w/Button Lock even when an incoming call comes in
I really love my wing.
The T-Mobile Wing would be a better pda if it had 3G, so i don't have to buy a new phone when t-mo's 3G networks comes out.
I'd love my wing as well. The only thing I can think of that I'd love to see is UMA support for [email protected] Not really a big issue for me, as I have no signal issues at home, but that's about it.
How bout a list of all the suggestions in the first post. The main thing I'm waiting for is a release of the official rom to fall back on.
I'm having email issues. My wife and I can not get the send/receive function to work with my home email accounts (Cox Communications). I'm using the Wing and she's on the Dash, both using WM6. We didn't have this problem with WM5 so what's the deal?
This phone would be better if I could get an answer from Tech support why I'm having this problem.
Updated rom with less memory leaks.
Hotspot @ Home
That's all I can imagine for right now. Wing's a pretty all-in-one device.
For developers:
Would love TOUCHFLO to be implemented into a rom.
Rom's with freed up memory
Less customization
Faster and more stable.
suggestions
for now, I guess these will be the 2 main things
1. A small-sized rom, with all t-mobile apps as optional installs
2. An actual RUU rom file for us all upgraders...
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for now, I guess these will be the 2 main things
1. A small-sized rom, with all t-mobile apps as optional installs
2. An actual RUU rom file for us all upgraders...
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Like a T-Mobile Kitchen? That would be cool
Here here! I totally agree.
Here here! I totally agree.
Not sure if these are really T-Mobile's issues or WM6 issues or HTC issues, but ...
Alarms are Unreliable
...If I set an alarm, I can NOT be confident that it will sound. The WM6 alarms worked fine the first time I set it active. A day alter I changed the alarm time and alarm sound, and the alarm hasn't worked correctly since. I eventually installed a 3rd party alarm clock, and deactivated the WM6 alarms. The 3rd party one worked OK for a week, then it wouldn't work either! It only seems to work when the phone is On, and set to stay on (plugged in). If the phone goes into suspend mode over night, the alarm doesn't seem to play the alarm sound. It does wake up the device, and does flash the light, but no sound!
Volume Up/Down Buttons:
...Seems like the hardware volume buttons (which are my first choice for volume control) do not adjust volume for most 3rd party applications. In fact every 3rd party app that I've installed starts with sound blaring, and no WM6 volume control seems to control the volume. Only after entering the game, going to the game settings, and editing the game volume controls (if there are any!) can I change the volume. Why doesn't the hardware volume control actually control the speaker volume?
Listen to Music & Vibrate Mode:
...Seems like I can't set my phone to vibrate (through the quick ring/vibrate phone mode switching tool) and have volume for my music. When I set it to vibrate, the volume is set to 0. When I trun the volume up for my music, the ringer switches from vibrate to ring.
NOTE: I really wonder if all these sound issues are related ... ? It seems to me that there are a variety of volume settings, and a variety of controls to adjust these volume settings. Ringer volume, in call volume, speaker volume. , mute/vibrate mode. There is the hardware button, there is a software volume slider, many apps have an additional volume sliders. It seems like some *other* internal volume setting is getting adjusted (other than the main volume controls) and all programs (not the phone or ringer) are affected by this.
Locked Screen with Call:
...With the screen lock enabled, and the phone in suspended mode, an incoming call wakes up the phone and activates the two phone buttons. Every time the incoming call is answered as I am pulling the phone from the phone case ... !! This really sucks because I don't want to have to answer every call. If I don't remove the phone from the case, the calls are still answered just by the pressure of the case on those buttons.
Music Player Library:
...The Windows Media player Library automatically loads up all sorts of ringtones and WM6 sound files (that are not in My Music or My Videos folders)?? There is seemingly no settings to prevent this? manually removing them asks you to really delete the file (dangerous), and has to be repeated every time you reload the Library? I ended up using a new media player that has more settings and isn't so stupid.
User Modes: (not an issue, but a desired feature)
...I have found the need for 'usage modes' for the phone. I mean things like 'phone mode', 'internet mode', 'music/movie player mode'. Somethng that would enable the appropriate device settings to facilitate using some program without the screen turning off, or auto-suspending.
...I know you can manually go through all your settings and enable/disable the auto-suspend, change the backlight, change the volume/ring type, etc. in order to use the Wing as an MP3 player, phone, or news reader ... but different usage modes would seemingly be a *must have* for anyone who really uses these different functionalities one after the next.
... for example, as an MP3 player I want the device to stay on (no auto-suspend), the back light off after 30 sec, and vibrate only ringer, and music volume adjustable (only makes sense). BUT if I get an incoming call, I don't want the backlight shutting off after 30 seconds anymore! OR if I close the MP3 player and want to read my email or RSS news feeds, then I want the ringer back on, the device to auto-suspend after 5 minutes, and the backlight to stay on that long too.
...It is time consuming to be constantly swapping settings back and forth, trying to remember what needs to be changed. I feel like I spend more time tinkering with settings then actually getting good use out of the Wing. Sometimes I only have 5 minutes to read news or play a quick Sudoku game, and don't want half that time wasted futzing with settings.
...Maybe there is 3rd party software for this, but I haven't found any as of yet.
Business Contact Manager Pocket PC / Contacts Button on TMobile Wing
Thanks for this thread. I think we should also post replies when members post questions about their needs....
I like my Wing and I am trying to keep it clean - minimal software. Having said that there are some things I would like to remove / change....
I have installed business contact manager pocket pc - which sync's with my business contacts in Outlook. The problem I have is that one of the Today screen soft button (just above the ok button) points to "contacts" and not business contacts. I am wondering if anybody knows how to get this button to point to the business contacts. I do not want to install new software - I think this is a registry edit type fix. Any help will be appreciated.
I would also like to see a new forum category for all posts regarding Wing and/or WM6 professional. A lot of the threads deal with older OS's and I am concerned to install software written for WM5 and older. Also you find WM6 posts buried under different devices, etc...
This is the only way I know how . . .
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I am wondering if anybody knows how to get this button to point to the business contacts. I do not want to install new software - I think this is a registry edit type fix. Any help will be appreciated.
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See attatched and it's the 'official' T-Mobile applet so . . . . .
Don't hold your breath for T-mobile 3G . They only have a little bit in Manhattan (apparently) and they were saying early this year that it would be rolled out in August and 1 week away and nothing so far
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I really love my wing.
The T-Mobile Wing would be a better pda if it had 3G, so i don't have to buy a new phone when t-mo's 3G networks comes out.
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RUU updater
T-Mobile Wing would be a better phone if they released the RUU updater with the stock version of the ROM that comes on the Wing!!
When do they plan on doing that?
I'd mainly like to see a faster CPU (preferably keeping the dual core, so the radio stuff is independant) and more onboard RAM/ROM space.
Then, there is the feature T-Mobile announced recently -- a special box that goes onto people's home LANs, where people can make voice over IP calls, and have it automatically handoff to and from the cellular network. Calls made on the wireless at home are free, even if the call gets handed to the cell network.
Of course, I'd like to see a RUU ROM file, as well as a "bare/clean" ROM from TMO, providing pretty much WM6, and the basic T-Mobile network customizations, as a starting base to work from.
How about having the extra storage space built in to the phone instead of having to buy an sd card?
How about [email protected] for the Wing?
Now here's a GREAT Idea! Hotspot @home for the Wing - god knows it'd take little to no-effort for them to allow/enable us to utilize this . . . . .
My wife switched over to T-Mobile cuz she wanted the Sidekick (bleh) so she offered to get me the Wing...I really didn't like how slow and sloppy the phone's interface is. Still don't like how slow it is but I've warmed up to the phone since it's so handy. But I do wish that the apps where not so buggy and was more customizalbe. Like customizing the homepage to have using only icons for certain things or framing some parts of the homepage so that you can view different info without having to leave the homepage and watch my phone akwardly blink to the next screen.
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I'm having email issues. My wife and I can not get the send/receive function to work with my home email accounts (Cox Communications). I'm using the Wing and she's on the Dash, both using WM6. We didn't have this problem with WM5 so what's the deal?
This phone would be better if I could get an answer from Tech support why I'm having this problem.
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That is an issue with Cox. Recently alot of ISP's have locked their outgoing email to be only able to send from approved IPs. T-Mobile right now is working on getting added to those. Dont worry about it being 6.0, that was just a coincidence.
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Don't hold your breath for T-mobile 3G . They only have a little bit in Manhattan (apparently) and they were saying early this year that it would be rolled out in August and 1 week away and nothing so far
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The ITCs ban on 3g chips is probably the real culprit behind the 3g launch delay. Why launch 3g when you cant even get any 3g phones imported??
!st letter going out on Friday
Hey everyone, I just wanted you to know that out first letter is going out on Friday. If you have any other ideas please add them.
SIP please . . .
how about giving us the built-in ability to use SIP/VoIP that WM6 provides . . BACK to us . . .
Anybody is aware whether Kaiser's WM6 build directly from HTC will include VoIP application?
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Not sure yet as no one has seen the final release of the software however it's easy enough to add back in.
However the Kaiser like other devices pushes the VoIP sound out the rear speaker and not the earpiece
Regards
Phil
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However the Kaiser like other devices pushes the VoIP sound out the rear speaker and not the earpiece
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Since when? From the very first WM6 version I've had on my Hermes, it worked through earpiece, not the speaker. Also, it works completely seamless, so placing and receiving calls works just like regular GSM/UMTS calls.
I mean the 'core' WM6 VoIP application, not Skype or such which actually works only through the speaker (unless sth has changed recently, I've last tested Skype quite long time ago).
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Since when? From the very first WM6 version I've had on my Hermes, it worked through earpiece, not the speaker. Also, it works completely seamless, so placing and receiving calls works just like regular GSM/UMTS calls.
I mean the 'core' WM6 VoIP application, not Skype or such which actually works only through the speaker (unless sth has changed recently, I've last tested Skype quite long time ago).
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You were lucky then.
Yes I do mean the core VoIP application, however it doesn't work correctly on lots of devices including the Kaiser going by Paul's review at http://www.modaco.com/Paul-Reviews-HTC-P45-t256569.html
There is very long thread in these forums about VoIP and plenty of devices not pushing the sound out of the earpiece but the speaker, this includes other HTC devices.
I tried the core WM6 application on a Toshiba G900 and the sound came out the speaker not the earpiece, and I spent many hours trying to find a solution and couldn't.
I'm not saying it doesn't work correctly on any device, just that the Kaiser seems to suffer the same problem as other devices by pushing sound out the speaker, even with the integrated WM6 VoIP application.
Don't shoot the messenger
Regards
Phil
With regards to VoIP, I have a question for WM6 experts.
What has always bothered me of Windows Mobile 5 (and earlier) in comparison to Symbian phones is the implementation of WiFi. What I mean is that in Symbian you can create various access points, and they can be GPRS/3G or WiFi with no difference in usage. Hence, an email program or any other program can be configured to use a WiFi access point, or a 3G access point, all automatically. And in many cases, apps can try WiFi first and then go with 3G if that fails.
With WM on the other hand, it always comes to having to switch WiFi on "MANUALLY", and the really irritating thing is that WiFi always switches itself off when the device goes in standby. By doing so, email checks will automatically use 3G (as WiFi won't be ready), and VoIP use is impossible, as WiFi is disconnected when the phone goes in standby, hence it cannot receive calls.
On Nokia smartphones, on the other hand, VoIP is left always on (using WiFi). And the interesting thing is that a Nokia phone can have VoIP active on WiFi for the whole day, and still be very good on battery levels at the end of the day. While with WM devices, WiFi normally drains the battery after an hour or two.
Now the question is: has all this changed with WM6? Meaning, can WiFi work in standby, and can Outlook Mobile perform email checks using WiFi (waking up from standby)? And can the device automatically try your WiFi access point, and then fall back to 3G if that is missing?
Thanks!
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Now the question is: has all this changed with WM6? Meaning, can WiFi work in standby, and can Outlook Mobile perform email checks using WiFi (waking up from standby)? And can the device automatically try your WiFi access point, and then fall back to 3G if that is missing?
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You set the Wi-Fi to always ON. It is set to turn off by default to save power.
Regards
Phil
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You set the Wi-Fi to always ON. It is set to turn off by default to save power.
Regards
Phil
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Thanks Phil, that is nice to know.
What I am interested to know, though, is also if the WiFi connection gets turned on and off automatically as needed, as in all Symbian smartphones.
Meaning, when the phone needs to check emails (like every 30 min for example), it will automatically switch on WiFi, check emails, and then turn it off, all while in my pocket. What really annoys me of Windows Mobile (ver. 5 and earlier) is that the use of WiFi always implies a manual switch on, which makes it very impractical to use.
On top of that, can WM6 automatically check WiFi coverage, and if that is missing, connect to 3G/GPRS, all automatically like all Nokia/Symbian devices? I have read posts about the G900 being able to do so, apparently, but I would like to know if this is a new feature of WM6.
Thanks!
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What I am interested to know, though, is also if the WiFi connection gets turned on and off automatically as needed, as in all Symbian smartphones.
Meaning, when the phone needs to check emails (like every 30 min for example), it will automatically switch on WiFi, check emails, and then turn it off, all while in my pocket. What really annoys me of Windows Mobile (ver. 5 and earlier) is that the use of WiFi always implies a manual switch on, which makes it very impractical to use.
On top of that, can WM6 automatically check WiFi coverage, and if that is missing, connect to 3G/GPRS, all automatically like all Nokia/Symbian devices? I have read posts about the G900 being able to do so, apparently, but I would like to know if this is a new feature of WM6.
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Unfortunately WM6 does not bring any difference in terms of WiFi connection. You still need to switch it on manually, I'm afraid.
Actually, I've been using Nokia E61 for a while now, and I must admit I have underestimated Symbian platform before. It still has some glitches and WM seems to be a little bit better in overall, but some bits are still much better in Symbian. WiFi/GPRS/3G connectivity (and battery life while on WiFi!) seems to be one of that bits.
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Unfortunately WM6 does not bring any difference in terms of WiFi connection. You still need to switch it on manually, I'm afraid.
Actually, I've been using Nokia E61 for a while now, and I must admit I have underestimated Symbian platform before. It still has some glitches and WM seems to be a little bit better in overall, but some bits are still much better in Symbian. WiFi/GPRS/3G connectivity (and battery life while on WiFi!) seems to be one of that bits.
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Oh, that is bad news really. How can Microsoft (or anyone else) talk about VoIP when the devices don't keep WiFi on all the time without draining the batteries?!? I find WiFi completely pointless on WM devices...
I am also surprised that there is apparently no third party software yet which can manage connections in a Symbian-like fashion, automatically trying Wifi and fall back to 3G in case of no WiFi. It sounds something totally obvious to me... Or is it just me?
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Oh, that is bad news really. How can Microsoft (or anyone else) talk about VoIP when the devices don't keep WiFi on all the time without draining the batteries?!? I find WiFi completely pointless on WM devices...
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This is true, actually. I suspect integrated VoIP application is not in quite 'final' stage of development, and that's why we cannot find it in official WM6 releases. Possible reasons for that might be also lousy WiFi implementation and connection management, and once this is improved, VoIP might get go-ahead for commercial use.
WiFi adapters in HTC devices (at least in Wizard and Hermes, which I've got) have also poor signal quality/reception. I experience WiFi connection drops while being in the room just one wall away from my home wireless router, and where I have pretty strong connection on laptop and Nokia E61 phone! My first palmtop ever, which was HP iPaq rx3715 had damn good WiFi signal strength. It was really really great! Obviously HTC cannot cope with that issue properly.
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I am also surprised that there is apparently no third party software yet which can manage connections in a Symbian-like fashion, automatically trying Wifi and fall back to 3G in case of no WiFi. It sounds something totally obvious to me... Or is it just me?
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Well, as I said - some things are much better done in S60 platform, but some others in WM. It could be good to have connection management improved in WM, but I don't suppose it will happen anytime soon.
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Oh, that is bad news really. How can Microsoft (or anyone else) talk about VoIP when the devices don't keep WiFi on all the time without draining the batteries?!? I find WiFi completely pointless on WM devices...
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In order for VoIP to work for receiving calls the WiFi needs to be on continuously in order to act as a server for inbound connections.
You can't have Wi-Fi on and the PDA off (or in standby) as Wi-Fi needs a functioning CPU and operating system to respond to packets as they arrive, it also needs the OS for housekeeping tasks such as encryption and polling the base station to keep the air link live.
Providing you don't have any bad being having applications battery life isn't impacted as much as you might think by leaving the PDA on using Wi-Fi (obviously the back light should time out to stop a major drain on the battery and so it may look off but it will still be running). SmartPhones (ones without touch screen) don't ever turn off (no standby mode) and remain fully powered up, it's only PDA's that standby, the reason for this is they are generally more powerful and allow you to install your own applications. An application that animates a weather symbol on the Today page could make the battery go flat very very quickly by keeping the CPU busy. A PDA uses standby to ensure no application can drain the power like that, and that they aren't expected to be quite as responsive as a normal phone, i.e. an incoming call needs to wake the device first so it may take a few seconds longer to ring.
If you get lots of calls and text messages on your Windows Mobile PDA it may actually use less power leaving the device on rather than allowing it to standby, this is because it takes quite a few CPU cycles to wake the phone up and make itself functional after standby so that in itself uses some power.
Lots of interesting info here: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/08/16/702833.aspx
Regards
Phil
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In order for VoIP to work for receiving calls the WiFi needs to be on continuously in order to act as a server for inbound connections.
You can't have Wi-Fi on and the PDA off (or in standby) as Wi-Fi needs a functioning CPU and operating system to respond to packets as they arrive, it also needs the OS for housekeeping tasks such as encryption and polling the base station to keep the air link live.
Providing you don't have any bad being having applications battery life isn't impacted as much as you might think by leaving the PDA on using Wi-Fi (obviously the back light should time out to stop a major drain on the battery and so it may look off but it will still be running). SmartPhones (ones without touch screen) don't ever turn off (no standby mode) and remain fully powered up, it's only PDA's that standby, the reason for this is they are generally more powerful and allow you to install your own applications. An application that animates a weather symbol on the Today page could make the battery go flat very very quickly by keeping the CPU busy. A PDA uses standby to ensure no application can drain the power like that, and that they aren't expected to be quite as responsive as a normal phone, i.e. an incoming call needs to wake the device first so it may take a few seconds longer to ring.
If you get lots of calls and text messages on your Windows Mobile PDA it may actually use less power leaving the device on rather than allowing it to standby, this is because it takes quite a few CPU cycles to wake the phone up and make itself functional after standby so that in itself uses some power.
Lots of interesting info here: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/08/16/702833.aspx
Regards
Phil
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Hi Phil,
What you say is only partially correct. Symbian smartphones do not go on standby, this is true, but in terms of operating system, power, and third-party applications they are no "weaker" than WM devices. And UIQ-based Symbian phones also provide touch screen functionality with an interface and capability which is pretty much the same as Windows Mobile. For example, a heavy application like TomTom Navigator 6 runs equally well, and with exactly the same speed and features on WM and Symbian devices.
CPU's on Symbian devices go anywhere between 200Mhz and 330Mhz, and do not need standby to save power. And a Nokia E61 can keep WiFi on (with VoIP in "always on" and listening) for two days with no interruption, and the battery won't be flat yet. So there is something wrong in the WiFi management of WM devices.
Also, Symbian devices allocate CPU cycles based on software demand, so the concept of putting the device in standby to save power is not at all necessary with current chips.
Another point that you make is that according to you the CPU on a Windows Mobile stops in standby. This is untrue. In standby mode background applications still run. For example, try any Instant Messaging application on Windows Mobile, and it will run also in standby (with the screen completely off). Same happens with push email solutions. Even Activesync runs in standby mode (screen completely off) during synchronisation with an Exchange server. I have experimented this many times with my Tytn.
The end result is that on WM devices, the only connection that "always on" applications like VoIP and push-email can use is 3G/GPRS, as they cannot automatically check WiFi coverage as needed. Which is something that Symbian devices do since ages. In fact, on Symbian devices you cannot switch WiFi on manually, it gets switched on by applications as needed, without manual intervention. And when WiFi is not available, then they go with 3G/GPRS.
As I said before, WiFi management and power management (I still don't understand why WiFi drags the battery so quickly on all WM devices) are the two things that really put me off with Windows Mobile devices, and frankly I do not understand why such a fundamental matter has not yet been addresses by Microsoft, HTC and the other vendors...
Or is the Qualcomm chip found in the Kaiser the solution?!?
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You need to read the article I posted a link to.
Windows Mobile 6 is working exactly the same as Symbian with one exception, on PDA devices there is an additional power saving mode, that is standby, where the CPU clock stops, nothing is running. Applications have no idea they have been suspended, time just stops. Yes there is a separate chip that is still on running the radio for the mobile phone part, and that can bring the device out of standby to service a call when needed, but the main CPU and OS is stopped dead.
For Windows Mobile Professional 6 which is only used on PDA type smartphones (i.e. have touch screen, Windows SmartPhones use Windows Mobile Standard 6), standby mode is the default power saving method, on Windows Mobile Smartphones, they don't use standby and are considered always on, so Windows Mobile Smartphones work very similar to the Symbian OS you describe. It's just Windows PDAs have the advantage of an extra powersaving mode.
Windows PDA devices don't always uses standby as they have an "unattended mode" where a program can tell the device it needs to constantly run, so while the device looks completely off, it will not be in standby in that instance. Also timers can be set to wake the device every few minutes, for example collecting email, where it will bring itself out of standby, do what it needs to do then back into standby again, but to the user the device will appear to be completely off.
I haven't said there is anything wrong with Windows Mobile power management. They can remain on like a Symbian device with Wi-Fi working if you set it that way and will run for as long as the battery will allow, that maybe a few hours or a few days, it depends what other software you have running and how much RAM needs to be kept alive.
If want to receive VoIP anytime over a Wi-Fi link then the Wi-Fi part has to remain constantly on, that's the rule of networking in order to maintain an open link and keep it's same IP address. A Wi-Fi device can't magically sense a call is coming in then turn on.
These devices are always trade offs, sounds to me like you want a Symbian device and not a Windows Mobile device, I don't think anyone has a problem with that and it's lucky we have a choice of what to go for.
Regards
Phil
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Providing you don't have any bad being having applications battery life isn't impacted as much as you might think by leaving the PDA on using Wi-Fi (obviously the back light should time out to stop a major drain on the battery and so it may look off but it will still be running).
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How practical is this? How do you get key lock functionality so that when the phone is in your pocket there are no unwanted touchscreen/key presses?
And can a WM device really cope with staying on (backlight off) from morning to evening with WiFi on plus the usual daily activity (calls, SMS, email, etc.)?
From my experience with Magician and Tytn this is totally impossible, unless the Qualcomm chip finally takes WM close to the performance of Nokia/SE devices.
One answer could be the fact that Symbian is a real-time operating system, meaning that it is capable of running on single-chip devices, while WM probably isn't.
I just can't believe that no 3rd-party software is there to solve such an obvious issue on WM devices...
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These devices are always trade offs, sounds to me like you want a Symbian device and not a Windows Mobile device, I don't think anyone has a problem with that and it's lucky we have a choice of what to go for.
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I do have a Nokia E61i, in fact, and I have had an HTC Tytn until a short while ago. And I am considering the new Kaiser now. So, as you can see, I am quite neutral. In fact, I keep switching between WM and Symbian about every three months!
But I was hoping that WM6 would finally solve this connectivity issue with WM devices, as I have become increasingly dependent upon VoIP, and therefore a good management of WiFI/3G connections is a key feature for me. The only reason why I got into this thread is that I was trying to find out if WM6 had finally implemented WiFi in a usable way (meaning without requiring me to manually switch it on).
The doubt came to me as I read some threads about the Toshiba G900, and someone was suggesting that the G900 was connecting to WiFi first and then to 3G automatically. I think someone mentioned an option in the 3G connections settings for this. It was a bit "between the lines", but I was hoping that WM6 had finally implemented this...
Thanks anyway for your time and for the good and informative dialogue.
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How practical is this? How do you get key lock functionality so that when the phone is in your pocket there are no unwanted touchscreen/key presses?
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There is a key lock.
And can a WM device really cope with staying on (backlight off) from morning to evening with WiFi on plus the usual daily activity (calls, SMS, email, etc.)?
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I first got a Toshiba G900 and due to a now well publicised bug it would often refuse to come out of standby! A popular work around was to disable standby so it was on constantly and it worked fine. Providing you have well behaving applications it will still throttle right down to save power when it's not being used.
Don't forget that Windows SmartPhone devices are "always on" and don't seem to have a problem.
One answer could be the fact that Symbian is a real-time operating system, meaning that it is capable of running on single-chip devices, while WM probably isn't.
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Windows Mobile is based on Windows CE, this is a real time embedded operating system used in a wide range of devices from barcode scanners, point of sale and up to ATMs.
I just can't believe that no 3rd-party software is there to solve such an obvious issue on WM devices...
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There are programs out there that allow you to tweak various settings regarding Wi-Fi and the priority it's given over other connections. For many people it's not an issue anyway, if it is, the Kaiser will be a popular device and the developer community for Windows Mobile is very large and solutions will appear.
Regards
Phil
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And a Nokia E61 can keep WiFi on (with VoIP in "always on" and listening) for two days with no interruption, and the battery won't be flat yet. So there is something wrong in the WiFi management of WM devices.
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My Nokia E70 (some software as the E61), only connected to wifi when the screen was on. Or only when trying to connect to the Internet.
It never kept the wifi on all the time ...
battery life was much better than on the kaiser though, I'd be happy if it lasted more than a day with wifi on
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My Nokia E70 (some software as the E61), only connected to wifi when the screen was on. Or only when trying to connect to the Internet.
It never kept the wifi on all the time ...
battery life was much better than on the kaiser though, I'd be happy if it lasted more than a day with wifi on
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I am sorry, but I don't think you have actually ever used a Nokia E70. There is no screen-off mode on Nokia smartphones. And you can't switch on or off the WiFi radio, it can only be switched on automatically by an application that needs it. And it will be shut off ONLY when no application needs it anylonger.
Anyway, if you really have a Nokia E70, just charge it fully, then configure a VoIP account (linked to your WiFi router) using the internal VoIP facility, and leave it on like that. It will make and receive VoIP calls of course, and it will stay like this for well into the second day. And WiFi will be always on of course, otherwise it would not receive VoIP calls...
And if you take a Nokia E61i, it stays with WiFi on and VoIP activated for at least three full days, with no pause!
So there is something wrong in the WiFi power management of all WinMo devices...
And in any case, I have yet to see a reliable way of using SIP-based VoIP on a WinMo device. Reliable means: conversation quality like a normal call, stays in my pocket like any other cell phone, and rings when my VoIP line gets called, and can do this for at least a full day without draining batteries... So far, I have only seen this type of functionality on Nokia smartphones.
The Kaiser is one of the supported devices in AGEphone Mobile 2.5 Speakerphone Edition!
I got my first PDA Phone (even though my dad has gone through like 20+ palms and blackberrys) and I am pleased to say it was the AT&T Tilt that I got last Sunday night after reading several comparison reviews on the Tilt and the iPhone. The night I got it I had several problems just getting my Cingular SIM card to work which was in my Samsung SGH-D807. After several hours of painstaking problems between calling up AT&T and going to a nearby AT&T store, I was finally on the HSDPA/3G/EDGE network with my phone fully functional on the next day at 3:00 p.m.
Going back to the night I got it, when I opened the box I was pretty amazed with its functionality with its easy to use WM6 OS. I played around with a couple of the features and found much of them to be quality benefits. Since we have we have wireless internet in our home I was able to use the phone's WiFi capabilities to access the net. At first I was pretty amazed with having a little phone that can surf the net, but slowly lost interest as so much of it was limited to mobile content. So I checked up on forums and I installed Live Search Mobile. Live Search completely changed my views on the amount of accessibility you can have with a cell phone. There was gas prices, movies, and informations on random categories. The map feature was very intriguing as it included satellite imaging, traffic, and even current location GPS navigation. All that you can get on the web, but the one thing that really took me away was the voice enabled search for almost anything. I mean I said Chinese food and there it gave me 25 locations by distance, but the most surprising recognition was that it noticed the real estate business my parents own.
Then I thought about trying out some of the movies and music I had on my laptop. I actually thought the music played quite well and sounded nowhere near awful, even though it didn't have the quality of my Creative Zen Vision, and the video playback was another story lol. Nothing would really play other than some WMV files. So I looked for a solution and I found TCPMP w/ a Flash Bundle. I could watch pretty much anything and this even lead to allowing me to watch Youtube videos! I know this is more of a corporate phone, but who doesn't want some entertainment ^^.
All in all I was very happy with the phone at this point except for the stupid Internet Explorer! So I downloaded Opera Mini and was quite relieved to find out that a WM6 device could compete with the iPhone's Safari application. I could use full sites like Facebook, Economist, CNBC, Edmunds, etc. with no problem. On a scale from 1 to 5 about being smug for buying the Tilt over an iPhone I'd say I was at a 5 at this point.
I guess with all that said I am VERY interested in learning about more applications and ROM flashing (or cooking I think its called). I have been reading the forums and the wiki for more information and have found lots of the information to be quite helpful, but at the same time I can only skim the information with a busy college/part-time work schedule and expected plans for an international flight on the 19th. So I was wondering if you guys could help me, even though I should know better to search and help myself. Here are some questions I really hope some of you can help me with or refer me to a topic/link that can further fulfill my endeavors.
(Some of these questions may have simple solutions, but I would really appreciate answers that would ameliorate my situation rather than answers that belittle me. Also thank you for taking your time to read this and hopefully help me)
1. What are some very good applications that you could easily recommend without even getting second thoughts about? So to say you just love them! What are some good WM6/PocketPC/PDA Phone websites with databases on applications and I'm mostly looking for freeware unless its must have like the Spb Pocket Plus software I'm seriously considering (I have seen several posts about "What I got on my Tilt/Kaiser" but none of them really go in depth on why or what the applications do)
2. I used the KaiserTweak to enable HSDPA and haven't really noticed any calling problems, but someone from Europe stated that you cannot make calls, is this true even though my experience is quite the contrary? (Source: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/04/hands-on-with-the-atandt-tilt/)
(Statement: http://www.blogsmith.com/profile/1422309/)
3. I live in Simi Valley, CA right on the edge to the San Fernando Valley (Most populated valley in USA I believe) in Los Angeles incase anyone has a clue about those locations, but I guess it might have something to do with this question: My data connection varies from 2 to 3 bars of HSDPA, to 2-4 Bars of 3G, and up to 3 to 5 bars of Edge. Are there any problems that could occur that haven't because of this issue? (Also I have AT&T's $39.99 unlimited data package, afraid to do $19.99 unlimited data package for lesser internet capable phones, but to get to the point there are also no extra charges for jumping to all these networks are there?)
4. When I bought the AT&T Tilt I also asked the store representative if he could unlock my phone because I'm going abroad to Asia in a few days and he said that the store is not the place to look for that answer (WTF I always get my phones unlocked at the store). Anyways I very briefly saw a thread on unlocking phones if you pay that person, but I think getting it unlocked through the store is a little more secure with little to go wrong. What would you recommend I do to get my phone unlocked, considering I don't want to pay someone online to do it?
5. In the event I do get my Tilt unlocked, I want to use internet at where I'm going so I'm wondering how Opera Mini works with international charges on other SIM cards in the sense I want to use my internet ONLY when I have a WiFi connection available... but when Opera Mini always asks if I want to proceed with this action and there could be internet data charges even though I'm on a wireless connection. So am I charged by the wireless provider in this case or is Opera Mini running through the WiFi? (This question could also go for the domestic issue of not having an unlimited data plan as well)
6. First off should I even consider flashing if I vaguely know what the word ROM means? (Probably a dumb question, but I saw a statement saying 90% of AT&T Tilt user's switch to HTC Kaiser [and yes I know it was greatly exaggerated])
7. Does flashing a new ROM void my warranty? Also if you hard reset does it bring back your warranty in case flashing does void my warranty? (I don't think I have ever worried about warranty until my external hard drive had an interface board malfunction, but I mean I guess it is important)
8. What are possible problems that can happen with flashing a new ROM? (As far as I know you HAVE to use HardSPL or else you can encounter numerous problems that I don't know about)
9. Can you hard reset (Set it back to manufacturer status) to fix any possible problems? (btw is the second soft reset button the one you have to hit with the stylus or is that a completely different button in the procedure?)
10. Is the AT&T ROM really just that bad? I've seen talk of much bloatware which I'll admit is very annoying, or is it kind of like the talk of HP computers sucking because of all the random software they put on them? (I really didn't want to ask this question because of all the flaming some guy got on another post for asking it, but it kind of is a logical question)
11. Does flashing a ROM reveal elements of your phone that are hidden? I saw a post saying someone got TomTom out of their AT&T Tilt even though it comes with TeleNav, then again that could be through flashing... (I'll admit this question was kind of stupid, but I saw on a topic that internet sharing or tethering is on the AT&T, but hidden with no shortcut)
Once again I thank you for taking your time to read this huge thing!
1. Applications - Google map download, Live search, Messenger, PHM Regedit, Screen capture, Windows Live, Yahoo! Go 2 and many others. Websites - This one, Freecabs, rltoday and many others
2. I don't notice any problems either
4. Call up AT&T. Some people have had success unlocking their phones that way.
5. You can see what data connection the phone is using by clicking on the wifi/3G/E/H/G icon in the top bar. I'm guessing that Opera mini will use whatever connection is available.
6. Yeah, you should. If you flash the HTC rom on your phone, it gets rid of all the crap AT&T puts on your phone that you'll probably never use. (It does void your warranty though. But if you reflash it with AT&T's rom before returning it, you should be okay.)
7. See 6.
10. It isn't all that bad. But if you really want to tweak your PDA, like you tweak your computer (i.e. you're a nerd like most of us) you should do it.
p.s. Tilt is a PDA phone, not a smart phone
Thank you ashoooo. For number 4, I just called up and got it unlocked within a few minutes! Now for flashing the HTC ROM I saw a sticky on another forum by a moderator that if you try to flash a ROM you can lock your SIM card. Now that I got my phone unlocked, what is the worst case scenario of flashing a new ROM? People saying cooking a lot with the word ROM does that mean there is a possibility of frying?
<public service announcement>
If you have a Orange HTC TyTN II and have been tempted to flash it to the HTC TyTN II generic ROM (without all the Orange ugliness) then STOP!
We all know ROM flashing is risky, but we have now received a number of reports of people going through the flash process (USPL bootloader then HTC ROM) and ending up with a phone that refuses to accept ANY SIM card, displaying a 'SIM Locked' message continuously.
I'll keep you updated as we know more (investigations are ongoing!), but be careful out there folks!
</public service announcement>
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PS Fear not, i've started work on a de-Brand pack... wink.gif
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Freecabs is a nice site, when I check most other sites they have mostly a plethora of similar plugins or plugins that just seem really risky spyware wise. So far world mobile card reader, live search, tcpmp, dots, opera mini, and kaisertweak! Most likely first plugin I'll pay for seems to be Spb Pocket Plus
Kaiser Apps
simslater said:
1. What are some very good applications that you could easily recommend without even getting second thoughts about?
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TomTom 6 (I had a CD already), alternativly Google / Yahoo Maps
FingerFriendlyFriends (Sounds ruder than it is!)
HTC Albulm
HTC Home (If not on your ROM - UK T-mobile ships with this)
HTC Action Screen - very useful
MMetrics - Get paid to feed data traffic analysis (Might be UK Only)
Soft Key Renamer (Allows "FingerFriendlyFriends" to be shown as "Names" and "HTC Action Screen" as "Actions" on Soft Keys)
Inbox Extender - Delete All option & Mark all as Read option on mail folders
Sprite Backup -if not shipped with Phone
Kaiser Tweak - change LOTS of registry settings from one screen
GPS_Photo_Albulm - Tag pivtures with Coordinates
WM6_RDP Finster - Remote Desktop App.
The Kaiser Thread on Modoco is good too - http://www.modaco.com/category/312/HTC-Kaiser-Kaiser-MoDaCo-com/
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9. .....btw is the second soft reset button the one you have to hit with the stylus or is that a completely different button in the procedure?
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Soft Reset is the Stylus push hole
Hard Reset can be done from Setting/System - "Clear Storage", but probably not after a ROM cook. (Someone else to advise)
Good luck !
Welcome to the PDA world, you'll find countless things to add over time, they really are miracle boxes. Here are some rambling thoughts;
Apps, I really think AnyButton Plus (AEB Plus) is a must have app as it allows you to assign many functions to the hardkeys. Not just a single press, but double, tripple, and long press can be assigned to most of them.
Since the phone has GPS, for sure get a stand-alone mapping program, I prefer iGuidance v4, it gives great 2D,3D talking directions with Text2Speech street names.
Get a microSD card, the bigger the better, 4 gig's prolly the best value but there are 6 and 8's out there. For mapping and music and video, you'll need this.
I prefer SPB Backup as my backup program and would consider flashing to a HTC ROM like Sleuth's. Once you get the pda set up to a stable config, back it up. Then if you do manage to screw something up it's east to clear memory, hard reset and restore from backup. Backups are only good for the particular rom that you used to make them on, e.g. if you backup and then flash to a different rom, the old backup should not be used.
ROM flashing is just loading a new opsystem and programs. There are two roms that can be flashed, OpSystem and Radio. They can be flashed independently as desired.
ROM Cooking is the black art of actually creating a new ROM image from a collection of applications and other code, using custom tools to re-compile a rom that can then be flashed to the device. If you flash anyone's rom, show respect and donate to them.
Don't even consider flashing until you read and understand how to first flash HardSPL onto the phone. This will allow you to recover from a bad flash, else you can corrupt the phone and then own a pretty "brick" suitable for holding papers down on your desk.
Be sure and check out the stickies and try the HTC CABs like Photo Album, and random access for contacts.
Check out PocketCM for a very cool contact manager.
SlingBox and it Mobile client are awesome if you want to watch your home TV/DVR/TIVO etc from your phone.
There's a ton to play with, remember that any connection that uses the internet will be considered "data". Streaming apps like radio, video can really use data, make sure you have an unlimited plan in the US and be very carefull overseas as roaming data can be really expensive thru the various carriers. I learned this the hard way in Canada, and got F--ked with roaming charges on a trip. Use free WiFi if you can find it.
Research the band switch (10 button Comm Manager Cab) to add a button in comm manager to hold off 3G when not needed, this will save lots of battery on the road.
Research more on Opera Mini, it's a great app and you can tweak it to stop all the warnings and just launch like any other app.
Gotta go, have fun.
I just bought my Tytn 2 today the only thing is...it's gonna stay in its box until Xmas
I've gathered as much info as possible over the past 2 months before making my decision.
Conclusions: Google phones are too far away. Winmo 6 + 640x480 with some sort of 3D acceleration and keyboard are too far away (I-mate 9502 would've been my choice for xmas) and the guys from Coreplayer made me take the final step
This site is also one of the reasons I chose the p4550 as my first pda phone. The roms you guys are cooking are amazing (paypal donations on the way) and you've all be most helpful in my decision.
Later guys.
RemE said:
Welcome to the PDA world, you'll find countless things to add over time, they really are miracle boxes. Here are some rambling thoughts;
Apps, I really think AnyButton Plus (AEB Plus) is a must have app as it allows you to assign many functions to the hardkeys. Not just a single press, but double, tripple, and long press can be assigned to most of them.
Since the phone has GPS, for sure get a stand-alone mapping program, I prefer iGuidance v4, it gives great 2D,3D talking directions with Text2Speech street names.
Get a microSD card, the bigger the better, 4 gig's prolly the best value but there are 6 and 8's out there. For mapping and music and video, you'll need this.
I prefer SPB Backup as my backup program and would consider flashing to a HTC ROM like Sleuth's. Once you get the pda set up to a stable config, back it up. Then if you do manage to screw something up it's east to clear memory, hard reset and restore from backup. Backups are only good for the particular rom that you used to make them on, e.g. if you backup and then flash to a different rom, the old backup should not be used.
ROM flashing is just loading a new opsystem and programs. There are two roms that can be flashed, OpSystem and Radio. They can be flashed independently as desired.
ROM Cooking is the black art of actually creating a new ROM image from a collection of applications and other code, using custom tools to re-compile a rom that can then be flashed to the device. If you flash anyone's rom, show respect and donate to them.
Don't even consider flashing until you read and understand how to first flash HardSPL onto the phone. This will allow you to recover from a bad flash, else you can corrupt the phone and then own a pretty "brick" suitable for holding papers down on your desk.
Be sure and check out the stickies and try the HTC CABs like Photo Album, and random access for contacts.
Check out PocketCM for a very cool contact manager.
SlingBox and it Mobile client are awesome if you want to watch your home TV/DVR/TIVO etc from your phone.
There's a ton to play with, remember that any connection that uses the internet will be considered "data". Streaming apps like radio, video can really use data, make sure you have an unlimited plan in the US and be very carefull overseas as roaming data can be really expensive thru the various carriers. I learned this the hard way in Canada, and got F--ked with roaming charges on a trip. Use free WiFi if you can find it.
Research the band switch (10 button Comm Manager Cab) to add a button in comm manager to hold off 3G when not needed, this will save lots of battery on the road.
Research more on Opera Mini, it's a great app and you can tweak it to stop all the warnings and just launch like any other app.
Gotta go, have fun.
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Totally agree, apart from GPS SW (me n' RemE differ on that) and as you've noticed...I let him do the typing.
Good thing about XDA-Dev... search (with many variations of what you want) and YE shall (usually) find. Just don't take the first answer you find as gospel, no one knows it all and WE, are all learning from each other, ALL the time!!
Enjoy and have a very good Xmas with your new device..
This should help with some questions.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TiltSpecificWikiPage
RemE said:
Apps, I really think AnyButton Plus (AEB Plus) is a must have app as it allows you to assign many functions to the hardkeys. Not just a single press, but double, tripple, and long press can be assigned to most of them.
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Agreed, I love this utility
Welcome to the whacky world of Windows Mobile
It appears most of your questions have been answered now. You did ask for a list of favourite apps, Three of my essentials which haven't been mentioned so far are Total Commander, S2U2 and pBar.
Total Commander is a Free file manager which supports Registry editing , FTP and LAN file access. It is available here.
S2U2 or Slide to Unlock, is a Touch screen locking program similar to the Iphone. It will stop your ear from launching programs etc. during a call, it also supports Full screen photo caller ID for incoming calls. The latest version is available in this thread.
pBar is a replacement for the HTC Close (X button) app. It is discussed here the latest version is available from here. (English link at bottom of the page)
Enjoy yourself trying all the apps/tweaks you can find. If you dont like something, uninstall it. If you break something and you cant fix it, a hard reset restores your Tilt to a factory fresh state.
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2. I used the KaiserTweak to enable HSDPA and haven't really noticed any calling problems, but someone from Europe stated that you cannot make calls, is this true even though my experience is quite the contrary? (Source: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/04/hands-on-with-the-atandt-tilt/)
(Statement: http://www.blogsmith.com/profile/1422309/)
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Vodafone in the UK state that sometimes you won't be able to make or receive calls if HSDPA is activated and connected (the statement came on a piece of paper in the V1615 box), and I've found that this is true if I'm at work (not tried other locations - most areas near me haven't got 3G yet). However, I've just got a Samsung F700 for my wife and there was no warning about making/receiving calls, even though HSDPA can't be switched off on the F700 (as far as I can tell).
Applications
Lots of SBSH stuff.
Phone Weaver
Mainly I use this to auto switch between profiles. EG 5 mins before I start work in the morning, my phone auto switches to a vibrate only function. 5 mins after, it auto swtiches everything back on. It's at the top of the attached screen shot, line starts Steve-C.
Pocket Weather
Pretty obvious really, gives you a several day forecast on your today screen, can have multiple cities stored for easy weather reference. Next line down
ILauncher
One downside of WMobile phones is the lack of a desktop shortcut a la Windows. I got pretty hacked off having to hunt through different screen to find the application I wanted. This one allows you to put shortcuts on your today screen. It also allows for tabs. The third line on the screen shot shows this, you'll notice there is a bit that says Progs, then Games, Utils and C_N. Each one of these is a tab with shortcuts to programs. The tabs allow you to organise them should you decide to have lots of shortcuts. You can also add battery meters, and memory meters. The memory ones will monitor storage, storage card, program memory (think RAM) and many others.
Have a look at the rest of the apps on the site and see if anything else captures your fancy. Nothing did mine. I tried Pocket Breeze but found it too much, the existing calender and messaging functions suited my needs. I personally prefer a Today screen that doesn't run off the screen when you switch to landscape mode.
Rest of the screenshot just shows the standard messages and calender apps.
You'll notice 3 icons on the bottom right. The little globe thing takes me into Today setting for o2 (my network operator) a battery display and shortcut to comm manager. This comes with my phone as standard and I believe it's the HTC home (or Homeplug) application. If I could get rid of this I would as it serves no purpose due to the SBSH ILauncher app.
Icon bottom left, and the differing icons at the top for signal, sound, battery etc is Wizbar Advance 3 from Lakeridge software. Apart from giving you a few fancy icons, the globe at the bottom gives you the a 'new' menu option (eg new sms, email, contact, word doc etc). Could live without that, again as ILauncher gives me all the 'new' options I want, but it's just using up already wasted room so I've left it there. The really big thing for me with this software (apart from the rather cool graphics) is it transforms the Start menu into one more similar to a desktop Windows menu. You will have noticed that if you click programs on your existing Start menu, it opens the Programs folder, Wizbar gives you a pop out menu.
Stuff not on the screen, but that I would reccomend. Some may have already been suggested.
Personally, I'm not that into movies. I used Windows Media Encoder years ago to convert lots of stuff into very small (25mb per 45 mins of video) files and am quite happy with the included Windows Media Player. The fact that I can sync this with WMP on my PC suits my needs fine for MP3's too.
Microsoft Reader. It's free, there are loads of free books out there, and it can be a good way to kill time. Depends if you're into reading or not.
Resco Explorer frankly kicks the built-in file explorer into the dark ages. So much easier to use, much more powerful.
PMH RegEdit already reccomended. If you are going to get into 'tweaking' your new 'toy' you will need a registry editor. This one is free and easy to use. Why pay for something, when there is something out there that's free (legally too!)
Adobe Reader Let's be honest, at some point you may find the need to read a PDF file. It's a free app, and with all the space on your Kaiser you may as well have this sitting there just incase. It's free.
Skype. You probably know all about this. It's an internet telephony app. Allows free voice calls between users, cheaper calls to landlines (especially if your abroad). If you are going abroad, or even in your home country, using this over a WiFi connection could mean that you are paying nothing to chat away!
I too have Opera Mini, I still use IE for some things, but I am pleased with the way that Opera works for some webpages for those times when the mobile version of a website just isn't good enough.
Google Maps Integrates with the Kaiser GPS and can show you exactly where you are, either on a map or on a satalite image. I've already found it to be useful on my previous WM6 phone, if I'd had the GPS ability of the Kaiser it would have been invaluable. Again a free program (you'll need to use WiFi or a mobile connection to actually download the map data) and it could be a life save, especially abroad. If you have access to Microsoft Pocket Street, install it. It's less upto date, but can give just as good maps as Google, but with no connection charges.
Finally, one piece of software for you computer if you have Microsoft Outlook
Jeyo Mobile Extender Adds SMS functions to Oulook when the phone is connected. Copies all you SMS to your PC and allows you to send / receive SMS from you PC via Outlook when connected. I find it useful for storing all my SMS and when I'm at home, my Kaiser is usualy connected to my laptop so I can SMS from the laptop without having to reach for the phone.
The screenshot:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Hope some of that helps with the apps question!
My next post deals with your other questions cause my full post is too big for one post!
Part 2!
2. HSDPA - I live in the UK, but haven't noticed a problem yet with this...
3. Shouldnt be a charge for switching between bands, but with your phone hunting for signals and changing bands all the time, you will find that your battery life will sufffer. Unless you actually need 3G / HSDPA you might want to switch it to stay on a particular band (phone settings). Best bet would be to let it do it's own thing for a while until you see what effect it has on battery performance and then decide if you need to start saving power or not.
5. Opera Mini will run through whatever data connection you have. I think you get a little box up showing when you connect to GPRS, 3G etc (least my phone does). I've used Opera with my WiFi network at home and it hasn't connected to the mobile data network. I would guess this is just a standard built in warning. If you have a WiFi connection and no little box popping up, just ignore the warning.
6. Flashing is totally at your own risk. Yes it can turn your phone into a paper weight (brick). I flashed my last phone to WM6 from WM5 as I wanted some of the functionality of WM6. I am perfectly happy with the stock ROM on my Kaiser (UK o2 network). It is easy enough to do if you can follow instructions. Unless the ROM supplied with your phone is terrible and you HAVE to flash it, it's probably not worth the effort or risk. I've flashed my old phone several times, trying 4 different ROM's (plus the original). This was to get the set-up I needed. The shipped ROM on my Kaiser is fine for my needs so I won't be flashing it.
7. YES! And a hard reset will only return your phone to the state it was when the flashed ROM was originally flashed. EG if you install a new ROM (lets call it ROM A) play around a bit, add apps, then the phone breaks and you have to send it back under warrenty. If you hard reset, you will end up with a phone set-up with the original install of ROM A. AT&T (or whoever you provider is) will spot this in a second and your warrenty will be void. You 'should' be ok if you can flash an original ROM from your provider back onto the phone, but if the problem is one that renders you unable to re-flash the phone, you have a big problem.
8. Some functions may cease to work. Like my old phone lost video calling when I flashed it to WM6. This was a known issue and I don't think anyone ver solved it. I didn't need or want video calling, I did need some things that came with the new ROM so that was ok by me. You may also find that the ROM is unstable and could cause your phone to crash a lot. Worst case scenario, unsucessfully flashing the ROM will leave you with a paper weight. Again, since this is a new phone to you, and you (I gather from your post) have no experience of PDA phones, stick with the stock ROM for a while, get used to it and then if there are shortcomings for your needs, see if any of the other ROM's on offer would solve these shortcomings.
9. In general yes. But you will loose everything and end up with a phone in the same condition as it came out of the box. If you have bricked the phone, the a hard reset will not solve it (I don't think). See above.
10. I have no idea about the AT&T ROM. The o2 ROM I have is pretty free of bloatware. There are a couple of apps I could do without, that bar at the bottom of the screen and the stupid o2 calender function. I have managed to edit the registry (using the PHM RegEdit) to restore the standard calender (hence the usefulness of the RegEdit program, there is no other way to do this) and I'll live with the other, it's not a big enough thing to make me bother finding a suitable ROM and flashing. Again, see above.
11. Hmmm. Basically, flashing will remove everything from the phone and replace it with a completely new operating system designed for a different version of the Kaiser. EG, if you flashed your phone with my o2 ROM, you would get everything that o2 ship their phones with. Likewise if I flashed mine with your AT&T ROM. If a ROM included a demo (or full version) of TomTom, then you would get that. It doesn't reveal 'hidden' software so much as add software that your supplier didn't include as standard. I would bet that most of this software could be installed independently. Again, see above re giving it time before deciding what you NEED the phone to do, and then searching or asking for solutions to that need.
Hope that helps, and thank you for reading the HUGE reply!
woogal said:
Vodafone in the UK state that sometimes you won't be able to make or receive calls if HSDPA is activated and connected (the statement came on a piece of paper in the V1615 box), and I've found that this is true if I'm at work (not tried other locations - most areas near me haven't got 3G yet). However, I've just got a Samsung F700 for my wife and there was no warning about making/receiving calls, even though HSDPA can't be switched off on the F700 (as far as I can tell).
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When your browsing the internet using a HSDPA connection you'll be unable to make and receive calls. Any calls recieved during this time will be routed to voicemail.
Once you exit the internet application you'll automatically be able to make and recieve calls. It may continue to display HSDPA for a while at the top of the screen but this is just to show the connection is available if you choose to browse.
Hope this helps
Techgirl
Vodafone UK
What a great thread with lots of useful info... this is a must read for any TyTN II noob... I found many things I was looking for, answers and apps alike...
I recently erased and reinstalled the rom (it just wasn't running as clean as I wanted to)which is the basic rom that came from ATT. Anyways. i'm having troubles as:
1) I get no response sometimes with the touch screen. Whether I touch hard or soft.After 3 seconds or so of constant tapping it comes to life but happens too frequently. I get so pissed I want to slam it the floor.
2)Another problem i'm having is I can't install many programs. I'm getting tons of errors. I can't install Kaiser tweak or advanced config. I can't install games.
3) when I'm in a wifi area (coffeeshop/restaurant) I go to activate the wifi card (wireless manager) and it gives me the 4 colored icon moving showing it's working for 4-5 seconds and it's still off. I can't activate the damn wifi card..
4)videos I converted with spb mobile dvd appear to play slow and have speech delays/synching, which they never did.
5) A wierd thing happened when I used "file explorer ex" to go to the storage card directory, all of a sudden I had tons of wierd files all having 3 characters only with numbers/letters with a windows icon and I couldn't erase it because it said it was a system file. something like 10-15 of them. I restarted the system and it went back to being normal.
DAMN TYTNII/TILT/8925! i'm fed up with slowness and problems with the phone. I'm considering the Touch pro2 but from what I see it has the same crap processor and so I'm wondering if they didn't include the video driver for that one (or any other model HTC has, and so I'm consider something besides HTC, maybe the xperia) as well. I want to be able to play full movies, skyfire, and a good keyboard not like the tilt. I want the UI to be very fast and smooth not like the tilt.And when I press the red button to hang up a call, I don't want to wait 2-3 seconds either. BTW, when is WM7 coming out cause this 6.1 aint doing it for me.
I AM NOT HAPPY.
That sounds bad.... When you say you reinstalled the ROM do you mean that you reflashed it or that you did a hard reset?
Have you tried a hard reset? (again)
Settings-> system -> clear storage
You could also try the official WM6.1 ROM that can be found on the HTC web site.
if the purpose of the thread was to rant/vent, i'll leave it at that
but if you want help to see if you can improve on some or all of your complaints, we will need more information, particularly:
A. was it fine before? when did each of the problems start? please go back to your original post and describe which problems existed from the beginning and which ones popped up later
B. describe your configuration. which version of windows mobile are you using? 6.0? 6.1? 6.5? is it an official ROM or a "cooked" one? whats your SPL version? which radio ROM are you using?
C. which software are you using for video playback? granted, the kaiser lacks proper video drivers (as do most of HTC's newer models), it can still be tweaked quite nicely to give very acceptable video playback...i play divx/xvid videos at FULL framerate with no lag on my set up, after appropriate tweaks of course
D. maybe the wifi networks you are trying to connect to are SECURE and/or MAC filtered...have you tried connecting to a network that you are certain is open-for-all?
E. have you tried a hard reset as suggested in the first response in this thread?
F. most of the problems you are mentioning sound like SOFTWARE and/or OS issues...hardware is quite a distant possibility to blame so considering moving to a new device based on your reported observations is uninformed. windows phones are windows phones and they are designed to be flexible and masters-of-everything and therefore require the user to be well informed and aware of what he/she is doing. if you can't keep up and don't desire and/or can't harness the uber-power that the kaiser delivers, move on to the iFart and be done with it
my advice is to provide answers to the above and/or perform a hard reset and/or change your ROM. OR, you COULD just have a lemon on your hands in which case a change of hardware is your only option. but you will only know for sure it is a lemon if you go through the motions mentioned here...
good luck!
Have you tried a hard reset? (again)
Settings-> system -> clear storage
No I haven't, but I will.
You could also try the official WM6.1 ROM that can be found on the HTC web site.
I will have to invest more time in learning in how to do that. I did try many months before to read up on how to do the rom stuff but (not to offend the website) the info is all over the place and not esthetically pleasing to read, I gave up. Plus it didn't answer a simple question of:"If you've cid unlocked your phone do you need jumpspl or just do hardSPL"
if the purpose of the thread was to rant/vent, i'll leave it at that
At first it was to write the problems I had but more and more when I was into writing the post I was getting so Pi**ed so mostly help, part rant..
a)I've had the phone since Sept08. After unlocking it using an ebay service I used it as it was. a few weeks after that I did my first hard reset ( I forgot the terminology before) and then a week later found out about the 3 second reset to remove bloatware, so did that. About every 2-3 months it seems to have little problems (not run smoothly, memory full)and I do a hard reset. The last one I did was 2-3 weeks ago. I missed the 3 second opportunity and did a HR again, then did it. On my Mi-SD card I have most of the software I need to get it going. All TCPMP extensions to play flash, windows DLL's , kaiser tweak, memmaid, aflashlight app, skyfire, opera, minimo, fonts, ringtone, HTChome6, a dialer to replace the junk one included,and other stuff, you get the idea. The screen was fine before. never had the tapping problem i'm having now.
b)I can't install KTweak or the andvanced config, which I was easily able to before. I removed opera because it was bothering me with the XML part of the Ktweak, but still not able to..
c) I have WM6 PRO CEOS 5.2.1620(build 18125.0.4.2) just the regular att one I recieved when i bought the phone (ebay)
d)which software are you using for video playback?
TCPMP with all the drivers/DLL's. Btw, for the heck of it, all video's of WMV I converted using SPB dvd mobile I played in windows mobile, and it plays it much smoother than the TCPMP.
e)As far as the wifi is concerned, I mean that first I activate wifi through CONN manager, and try to activate the 2nd icon on the right side going down, the "I" with the the 2 "c's" on each side..that's what i'm talking about, it doesn't want to turn yellow. Then after I activate it, I go to the wifi, see the available networks available then connect to one. I don't even get to the 2nd stage since it doesn't want to turn the wifi on..I tried it this second it works fine. I guess it works according to how it feels that day.. Not that I net so much with the phone. WhenI can't activate the wifi card,, the square "E" icon at the top starts searching using GPRS (if I recall) and it shows the "E" with 2 arrows moving to the sides (like the wifi does) and a windows keeps popping up and won't go away!!! it drives me crazy..I press the hang up button but it doesn't stop it, till I can take it no more and pull the battery out..
maybe the wifi networks you are trying to connect to are SECURE and/or MAC filtered no, their all public wifi's, in restaurants, coffee places..places like that..
f)I'm having another problem I didn't post before. When taking photos, there is no zoom out/in icons like they're used to be. This problem started about 3 months ago. H-reset or S-reset won't bring back the 2 icons. In Video yes, but in camera mode no..
most of the problems you are mentioning sound like SOFTWARE and/or OS issues...hardware is quite a distant possibility to blame so considering moving to a new device based on your reported observations is uninformed. windows phones are windows phones and they are designed to be flexible and masters-of-everything and therefore require the user to be well informed and aware of what he/she is doing. if you can't keep up and don't desire and/or can't harness the uber-power that the kaiser delivers, move on to the iFart and be done with it
YOU"RE 100% right!(Iphone..OH,GOD NO!!)I lack some knowledge as to how to work it properly, you're right about that. I don't want a phone that I buy to have to flash it it, and to do this and that, and blah blah blah. I want something that will work right out of the box. Will be quick, not lack drivers(which btw, HTC back stabbed everyone, and for this reason I'm not sure i'll go with HTC again) and be able to do it all. I'm willing to put down $1k for this phone, even $1400, but fo some reason or another no one can make one. Why I don't know. Why can't 1 smart manufacturer, look at all the flaws of the top phones and produce a perfect phone. People would jump all over it. I also feel like giving up with the TILT, only because it doesn't satisfy my needs. i'm not to happy with the TILT. At first I was extremly excited, but now, I want to slam it to the floor. The software lacks many things, and it can only do so much. The market and tech is there for many years, can't they make a perfect pda phone, and why the hell is taking M$ so long to make an OS that has it all? If they can make a great OS like Windows 7, why can't they implament that tech to PPC's? LAZY IMO!
I'm looking at all the phones on GSM arena, and none of them has it all, none. Considered the xperia, but crappy rez and small screen. The new Idou, only good because of the 12MP camera, but nothing else, and don't want symbian OS..fed up with Nokia..nothing normal out there. All HTC's. all the same..can't find something normal..
I will do the reset and i'll et you know in a few hours.
Thanks for all your help, I extremely appreciate it..
I should have posted the topic" I NEED HELP PLEASE. TILT AND OWNER FREAKING OUT+RANT"
amitsivak said:
Have you tried a hard reset? (again)
Settings-> system -> clear storage
No I haven't, but I will.
You could also try the official WM6.1 ROM that can be found on the HTC web site.
I will have to invest more time in learning in how to do that...not esthetically pleasing to read, I gave up. Plus it didn't answer a simple question of:"If you've cid unlocked your phone do you need jumpspl or just do hardSPL"
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jumpspl is needed ONLY AND ONLY to CHANGE your HardSPL...it is also needed to put on the HardSPL in the first place. it may not be a very intuitive read and certainly requires some effort on the reader's part but if you read it all carefully, your concepts will become rock solid and all further steps and conclusions will flow logically...the pieces will fall into place.
if the purpose of the thread was to rant/vent, i'll leave it at that
At first it was to write the problems I had but more and more when I was into writing the post I was getting so Pi**ed so mostly help, part rant..
a)I've had the phone since Sept08...On my Mi-SD card I have most of the software I need to get it going. All TCPMP extensions to play flash, windows DLL's , kaiser tweak, memmaid, aflashlight app, skyfire, opera, minimo, fonts, ringtone, HTChome6, a dialer to replace the junk one included,and other stuff, you get the idea. The screen was fine before. never had the tapping problem i'm having now.
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its a good idea to keep all installables on your micro sd card. BUT, you should install ONLY the stuff you TRULY need. also remember to clear up browser caches and temporary files that are dropped on the device internal memory from time to time. skyfire, opera, minimo...thats THREE browsers in addition to the builtin IE...i just stick to the latest official beta of opera 9.7 in addition to the latest IE built in to my winmo6.5 ROM. my point is, windows mobile (pre 6.x, 6.0, 6.1, and 6.5) is somewhat delicate and sensitive in terms of the specific versions of applications you install. i've had my kaiser (my FIRST winmo device) for just over a year...i still use pretty much the same applications as i did the first couple of months, i've abandoned some in favor of better ones, and nearly all of them are newer versions that i am certain are compatible with the winmo build(s) i am using at any given time. your stock ROM is quite an OLD build and quite a few corrections and improvements have been made to the OS, so much so that the build number is now in the 21xxx range (compared to your 6.0 build of 18125) and still going further (a bunch of new bugs and issues are inevitable as the OS moves forward). my point is, perhaps you have accumulated some newer installables that don't quite play well with your old OS build 18125.
b)I can't install KTweak or the andvanced config, which I was easily able to before. I removed opera because it was bothering me with the XML part of the Ktweak, but still not able to..
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thats odd...once again, kaisertweak and advanced config have both progressed to newer versions...if you have an old installable, try a new installable. if you are already trying the new installable, try the old one from the era that your build belongs to.
c) I have WM6 PRO CEOS 5.2.1620(build 18125.0.4.2) just the regular att one I recieved when i bought the phone (ebay)
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i'm not saying you should try att's newer official winmo6.1 ROM but some people have reported great improvements, but your milage may vary. i, on the other hand, SWEAR by "cooked" ROMs and there are some particular cooked ROMs that will impress the $H1T out of you
d)which software are you using for video playback?
TCPMP with all the drivers/DLL's. Btw, for the heck of it, all video's of WMV I converted using SPB dvd mobile I played in windows mobile, and it plays it much smoother than the TCPMP.
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i never used TCPMP and i quickly moved on to coreplayer, even when i was on winmo6.0. so far, the BEST video performance i have gotten was with the following configuration:
1. Sakajati's HyperDragon IV Rhodium ROM (April 10th, 2009)
2. chainfire's gfxboost v1.1
3. coreplayer 1.3.2 build 6909
4. coreplayer configured to DISABLE QTV mode, and video mode set to DirectDraw @ medium quality
on a side note, the ROM mentioned in item 1 above is STELLAR if you're looking for a good cooked winmo6.1 ROM.
e)As far as the wifi is concerned, I mean that first I activate wifi...I guess it works according to how it feels that day.. Not that I net so much with the phone. WhenI can't activate the wifi card,, the square "E" icon at the top starts searching using GPRS (if I recall) and it shows the "E" with 2 arrows moving to the sides (like the wifi does) and a windows keeps popping up and won't go away!!! it drives me crazy..I press the hang up button but it doesn't stop it, till I can take it no more and pull the battery out..
maybe the wifi networks you are trying to connect to are SECURE and/or MAC filtered no, their all public wifi's, in restaurants, coffee places..places like that..
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make sure your wifi is set for "Best Performance" as opposed to the default "Best Battery". you might want to look into changing your radio ROM as well, making sure to match the radio version with your winmo MAJOR version. that is, some radios are made ONLY for winmo6.0, others ONLY for winmo6.1 and winmo6.5. same concept applies to the particular HardSPL version you use. finally, quite a few senior members and cooks here claim that wifi is the ONLY radio that is NOT AFFECTED by your radio version but my experience has been different.
also, you need to understand how windows mobile "picks" an available connection and uses it. if your data connection is set up and enabled, it will almost always be picked and forced to connect, even if your wifi is already connected. you'll have to read up some more about the concept but here is what i do. i have my data connection DISABLED all the time. i force windows mobile to always pick "My Work Network" (which is usually the wifi). note that windows will NEVER force the wifi to connect and won't be able to connect the data connection because i have disabled it. this way, i have TOTAL control over how it "dials out". so when i am in a wifi area, i connect my wifi manually and when i am not in a wifi area, i enable my data connection and i let windows dial out onto Edge/GPRS, etc.
f)I'm having another problem I didn't post before. When taking photos, there is no zoom out/in icons like they're used to be. This problem started about 3 months ago. H-reset or S-reset won't bring back the 2 icons. In Video yes, but in camera mode no..
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errr i think the zoom level is controllable in the camera ONLY in non-3-megapixel mode. that is, if your camera's picture taking mode is set to 3MP, you will NOT get any zoom control. set it to anything lower and you should get zoom control. you must have inadvertantly set the resolution to below 3MP and 3 months ago, either you or the hard reset must have caused it to revert to 3MP, hence your inability to zoom in picture mode.
most of the problems you are mentioning sound like SOFTWARE and/or OS issues...hardware is quite a distant possibility to blame so considering moving to a new device based on your reported observations is uninformed. windows phones are windows phones and they are designed to be flexible and masters-of-everything and therefore require the user to be well informed and aware of what he/she is doing. if you can't keep up and don't desire and/or can't harness the uber-power that the kaiser delivers, move on to the iFart and be done with it
YOU"RE 100% right!(Iphone..OH,GOD NO!!)I lack some knowledge as to how to work it properly, you're right about that. I don't want a phone that I buy to have to flash it it, and to do this and that, and blah blah blah. I want something that will work right out of the box. Will be quick, not lack drivers(which btw, HTC back stabbed everyone, and for this reason I'm not sure i'll go with HTC again) and be able to do it all. I'm willing to put down $1k for this phone, even $1400, but fo some reason or another no one can make one. Why I don't know. Why can't 1 smart manufacturer, look at all the flaws of the top phones and produce a perfect phone. People would jump all over it. I also feel like giving up with the TILT, only because it doesn't satisfy my needs. i'm not to happy with the TILT. At first I was extremly excited, but now, I want to slam it to the floor. The software lacks many things, and it can only do so much. The market and tech is there for many years, can't they make a perfect pda phone, and why the hell is taking M$ so long to make an OS that has it all? If they can make a great OS like Windows 7, why can't they implament that tech to PPC's? LAZY IMO!
I'm looking at all the phones on GSM arena, and none of them has it all, none. Considered the xperia, but crappy rez and small screen. The new Idou, only good because of the 12MP camera, but nothing else, and don't want symbian OS..fed up with Nokia..nothing normal out there. All HTC's. all the same..can't find something normal..
I will do the reset and i'll et you know in a few hours.
Thanks for all your help, I extremely appreciate it..
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i said it before and i'll say it again and i don't mean to sound harsh but windows mobile is powerful...and with great power comes great responsibility...the user HAS TO BE AWARE of what he/she is doing and what is going on in the device to be able to tweak it and customize it and to get it to do EXACTLY what is desired.
Hi,
My blackstone connect to the internet service automatically draining my prepaid load.
Is this the same in all the WM 6.5?
WM6.1 doesnt do this. It only connects when I need it.
Does anyone have a fix on this. No push internet doesnt seem to solve this problem in my HTC BS.
Thanks
gilbert_xda said:
Hi,
My blackstone connect to the internet service automatically draining my prepaid load.
Is this the same in all the WM 6.5?
WM6.1 doesnt do this. It only connects when I need it.
Does anyone have a fix on this. No push internet doesnt seem to solve this problem in my HTC BS.
Thanks
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try xannytecks 1.9
I found the problem finally.
Go to Setting -> Data Services -> Time Synchronization.
Just uncheck everything there.
Internet service connect
Hi,
Thank you for your help.
I will try it immedietely
thteong said:
I found the problem finally.
Go to Setting -> Data Services -> Time Synchronization.
Just uncheck everything there.
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Seems like it doesn't work =(
The data connection still insist and consume the battery
sunnymiu said:
Seems like it doesn't work =(
The data connection still insist and consume the battery
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Because that was not the root cause ...
Actually the cause of the so called problem is a lack of understanding of the basic WM and HTC data connection settings and more specifically the way the two operate together, or don't in this case. In fact there really is no problem and nothing specific to the WM6.5 ROMs. This auto data connection behavior existed in my stock WM6.1 ROM way back in the dim old days.
Let me try to explain it this way.
First thing to understand is that there are two controls for Data Connection. A HTC TF3D/Sense one which everyone knows as Comm Manager. The second deeper level one is the WM6.X one which you will find at Settings > Connections > Connections > Advanced > Select Networks > Your Cellular Operator Settings (GPRS Settings).
The second thing to understand is that when you do a hard reset as you must when you flash a ROM, the Auto Connection Setup process will automatically select for you and set the GPRS settings on by default. So, deep down there, WM6.x has set you up to use a data connection automatically whenever your mobile needs a data connection and your WiFi is disabled. This happens for example if your email is set to auto download every so many minutes. Remember, email is a WM6.X service.
The third thing to understand is that the HTC Comm Manager really only controls data connections from the HTC interface, ie. TF3D/Sense. For example, if you do a weather update, this is a TF3D/Sense service. So if you turn off Data Connection in Comm Manager it will just turn off data connections to the interface. But lets say your email does an auto send and receive, because the WM6.X GPRS setting is enabled, a data connection will take place regardless of what you did in the Comm Manager.
So how to get around this problem? Easy! Go to the WM6.X setting for Connections that I pointed out above. After entering 'Select Networks' use the drop down box to select 'My Work Network' in the upper setting for programs that automatically connect to the internet. This will totally disable your data connection and it will not turn on again until you do the reverse.
Now, to turn data back on, you don't need to go into WM settings. You will find that the Comm Manager is sort of connected to the WM6.X setting. Turn on Data Connection in Comm Manager and you will find that it brings up the WM6.X Connections settings so that you can go to the drop down box and re-enable your Cellular operator's settings for GPRS. After clicking OK a few times you will end up back at Comm Manager where you turn on Data Connections. If you skip this last step, it will turn on automatically anyway when a program calls for a data connection.
Now the quirk is that Comm Manager is not connected to the WM6.x settings in the same way when you want to turn Data Connection off in Comm Manager. In other words it does not take you back to the WM connection settings when you turn it off as it does when you turn it on. As I showed you above, you have to do it the long winded way and dig deep into WM6.x Connection settings to turn off your cellular data connection. Yes sure, Comm Manager could definitely have been better built in this regards. But it has been like this since day 1.
Programs such as NoData which some chefs cook into their ROMs provide shortcuts to reach those deep WM Connections settings. But frankly, once you know where to find the settings, it becomes second nature and I have never had the need to use NoData.
Anyway, hope this helps.
i loved yr explanation but: i had never this "problem" in WM6.1 even when i always kept the "programs that automatically connect to the Internet......" settings to "orange 3G" (my portal) and only the "programs that automatically connect to a private network..." on "My Work Network".
after 5-6 years of heavy WM use (look at my sig/list of devices) this is the first time i encounter this problem.
I think Clicking on a Nodata shortcut would be much faster than going through all those steps. I hope a solution is found soon. But all ROMs I have tried have this same problem. no mail accounts setup nothing. It still try's to connect.
Turn off my location settings. Also check if "automatically update weather" is turned off.
Did the trick for me on all 6.5 ROM's.
Workaround:
1. Before flashing any Rom, remove the Sim card.
2. After flashing, uncheck "Enable Auto Configuration" from connection setup.
3. Put Sim card back and have a peace of mind.
AbdullahSZ said:
Workaround:
1. Before flashing any Rom, remove the Sim card.
2. After flashing, uncheck "Enable Auto Configuration" from connection setup.
3. Put Sim card back and have a peace of mind.
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Heh ... if you did it this way you won't have any MMS (unless you put it in manually) or Data connection when you want to turn it on.
bobsbbq said:
I think Clicking on a Nodata shortcut would be much faster than going through all those steps.
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Yep ... NoData is a solution.
I kind of grew into the habit of drilling down for the GPRS setting from the days when ROMs were not cooked with NoData or equivalents. Problem with these shortcuts is that for some it meant that the basic WM settings were never learnt, so when something goes wrong or a chef does not cook it in, the user gets lost. This is the same problem with the MMS connection issue in M2.5. The cause of the problem here, from my own experience, is with the updated WM Connections Auto Config putting in the wrong MMS access point settings. So when that happens, those who never learnt how to do it manually in WM get stuck.
Imperium said:
Turn off my location settings. Also check if "automatically update weather" is turned off.
Did the trick for me on all 6.5 ROM's.
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This does not work for me. I have tried any of the turn off methods and nothing has worked. Going to try what abwyatt has suggested and see if this helps. To me this is a real big problem for some people. Even for me I have a 20 hr data plan for 1 month for about 7.00 USD after that it charges by the mb. Just last night on my last flash I was tired and forgot to enable nodata and woke up this morning and the data connection had been active for 9 hrs.
Mod Edit
Moved to general discussion as not technically related to rom development
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Mod Edit
Moved to general discussion as not technically related to rom development
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I would differ on that. It is directly related to problems with WM 6.5 ROM's. And not only as users but as cooks we are looking for answers as well. Moving to General section just assures the problem will not be addressed by our cooks here that may find a solution.
Just my opinion
bobsbbq said:
I would differ on that. It is directly related to problems with WM 6.5 ROM's. And not only as users but as cooks we are looking for answers as well. Moving to General section just assures the problem will not be addressed by our cooks here that may find a solution.
Just my opinion
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Point taken and I agree with your comments above. To to show users that we Mod's do listen as well, I will happily move this thread back to rom development
Thank you, and it's good that you see both sides.
I disabled mine from Settings>Data Services>ActiveSync>Sync data automatically
Now I only get auto connected after soft reset, then just disable from Comm Manager>Data Connection>Off and it doesn't connect by itself anymore
But still works when needed for weather mail etc.
Just to put my 2 cents on the table here. All wm6.5 roms I've tried have had this and I generally install NoData for quick fix, but after a period of time it started to bug me. So upon further investigation it did turn out to be an app seeking automatic update, whether it was email, QuickGPS, weather, stock, facebook, activesync or some other app. Having gone through all these apps or whatever apps installed on rom and then disabling them, the problem seizes to exist. The confusing thing is that it is not consistent, i.e. with different rom's it appears to be a different app which caused the issue!!
I've tried ROM like PhamQhuang, MaryOne etc. I think the problem is from HTC sense, if we switch to HTC sense off or set to windows default the auto connection working well (not reconnect when we off data connection)