Anybody is aware whether Kaiser's WM6 build directly from HTC will include VoIP application?
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Not sure yet as no one has seen the final release of the software however it's easy enough to add back in.
However the Kaiser like other devices pushes the VoIP sound out the rear speaker and not the earpiece
Regards
Phil
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However the Kaiser like other devices pushes the VoIP sound out the rear speaker and not the earpiece
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Since when? From the very first WM6 version I've had on my Hermes, it worked through earpiece, not the speaker. Also, it works completely seamless, so placing and receiving calls works just like regular GSM/UMTS calls.
I mean the 'core' WM6 VoIP application, not Skype or such which actually works only through the speaker (unless sth has changed recently, I've last tested Skype quite long time ago).
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Since when? From the very first WM6 version I've had on my Hermes, it worked through earpiece, not the speaker. Also, it works completely seamless, so placing and receiving calls works just like regular GSM/UMTS calls.
I mean the 'core' WM6 VoIP application, not Skype or such which actually works only through the speaker (unless sth has changed recently, I've last tested Skype quite long time ago).
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You were lucky then.
Yes I do mean the core VoIP application, however it doesn't work correctly on lots of devices including the Kaiser going by Paul's review at http://www.modaco.com/Paul-Reviews-HTC-P45-t256569.html
There is very long thread in these forums about VoIP and plenty of devices not pushing the sound out of the earpiece but the speaker, this includes other HTC devices.
I tried the core WM6 application on a Toshiba G900 and the sound came out the speaker not the earpiece, and I spent many hours trying to find a solution and couldn't.
I'm not saying it doesn't work correctly on any device, just that the Kaiser seems to suffer the same problem as other devices by pushing sound out the speaker, even with the integrated WM6 VoIP application.
Don't shoot the messenger
Regards
Phil
With regards to VoIP, I have a question for WM6 experts.
What has always bothered me of Windows Mobile 5 (and earlier) in comparison to Symbian phones is the implementation of WiFi. What I mean is that in Symbian you can create various access points, and they can be GPRS/3G or WiFi with no difference in usage. Hence, an email program or any other program can be configured to use a WiFi access point, or a 3G access point, all automatically. And in many cases, apps can try WiFi first and then go with 3G if that fails.
With WM on the other hand, it always comes to having to switch WiFi on "MANUALLY", and the really irritating thing is that WiFi always switches itself off when the device goes in standby. By doing so, email checks will automatically use 3G (as WiFi won't be ready), and VoIP use is impossible, as WiFi is disconnected when the phone goes in standby, hence it cannot receive calls.
On Nokia smartphones, on the other hand, VoIP is left always on (using WiFi). And the interesting thing is that a Nokia phone can have VoIP active on WiFi for the whole day, and still be very good on battery levels at the end of the day. While with WM devices, WiFi normally drains the battery after an hour or two.
Now the question is: has all this changed with WM6? Meaning, can WiFi work in standby, and can Outlook Mobile perform email checks using WiFi (waking up from standby)? And can the device automatically try your WiFi access point, and then fall back to 3G if that is missing?
Thanks!
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Now the question is: has all this changed with WM6? Meaning, can WiFi work in standby, and can Outlook Mobile perform email checks using WiFi (waking up from standby)? And can the device automatically try your WiFi access point, and then fall back to 3G if that is missing?
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You set the Wi-Fi to always ON. It is set to turn off by default to save power.
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Phil
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You set the Wi-Fi to always ON. It is set to turn off by default to save power.
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Phil
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Thanks Phil, that is nice to know.
What I am interested to know, though, is also if the WiFi connection gets turned on and off automatically as needed, as in all Symbian smartphones.
Meaning, when the phone needs to check emails (like every 30 min for example), it will automatically switch on WiFi, check emails, and then turn it off, all while in my pocket. What really annoys me of Windows Mobile (ver. 5 and earlier) is that the use of WiFi always implies a manual switch on, which makes it very impractical to use.
On top of that, can WM6 automatically check WiFi coverage, and if that is missing, connect to 3G/GPRS, all automatically like all Nokia/Symbian devices? I have read posts about the G900 being able to do so, apparently, but I would like to know if this is a new feature of WM6.
Thanks!
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What I am interested to know, though, is also if the WiFi connection gets turned on and off automatically as needed, as in all Symbian smartphones.
Meaning, when the phone needs to check emails (like every 30 min for example), it will automatically switch on WiFi, check emails, and then turn it off, all while in my pocket. What really annoys me of Windows Mobile (ver. 5 and earlier) is that the use of WiFi always implies a manual switch on, which makes it very impractical to use.
On top of that, can WM6 automatically check WiFi coverage, and if that is missing, connect to 3G/GPRS, all automatically like all Nokia/Symbian devices? I have read posts about the G900 being able to do so, apparently, but I would like to know if this is a new feature of WM6.
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Unfortunately WM6 does not bring any difference in terms of WiFi connection. You still need to switch it on manually, I'm afraid.
Actually, I've been using Nokia E61 for a while now, and I must admit I have underestimated Symbian platform before. It still has some glitches and WM seems to be a little bit better in overall, but some bits are still much better in Symbian. WiFi/GPRS/3G connectivity (and battery life while on WiFi!) seems to be one of that bits.
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Unfortunately WM6 does not bring any difference in terms of WiFi connection. You still need to switch it on manually, I'm afraid.
Actually, I've been using Nokia E61 for a while now, and I must admit I have underestimated Symbian platform before. It still has some glitches and WM seems to be a little bit better in overall, but some bits are still much better in Symbian. WiFi/GPRS/3G connectivity (and battery life while on WiFi!) seems to be one of that bits.
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Oh, that is bad news really. How can Microsoft (or anyone else) talk about VoIP when the devices don't keep WiFi on all the time without draining the batteries?!? I find WiFi completely pointless on WM devices...
I am also surprised that there is apparently no third party software yet which can manage connections in a Symbian-like fashion, automatically trying Wifi and fall back to 3G in case of no WiFi. It sounds something totally obvious to me... Or is it just me?
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Oh, that is bad news really. How can Microsoft (or anyone else) talk about VoIP when the devices don't keep WiFi on all the time without draining the batteries?!? I find WiFi completely pointless on WM devices...
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This is true, actually. I suspect integrated VoIP application is not in quite 'final' stage of development, and that's why we cannot find it in official WM6 releases. Possible reasons for that might be also lousy WiFi implementation and connection management, and once this is improved, VoIP might get go-ahead for commercial use.
WiFi adapters in HTC devices (at least in Wizard and Hermes, which I've got) have also poor signal quality/reception. I experience WiFi connection drops while being in the room just one wall away from my home wireless router, and where I have pretty strong connection on laptop and Nokia E61 phone! My first palmtop ever, which was HP iPaq rx3715 had damn good WiFi signal strength. It was really really great! Obviously HTC cannot cope with that issue properly.
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I am also surprised that there is apparently no third party software yet which can manage connections in a Symbian-like fashion, automatically trying Wifi and fall back to 3G in case of no WiFi. It sounds something totally obvious to me... Or is it just me?
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Well, as I said - some things are much better done in S60 platform, but some others in WM. It could be good to have connection management improved in WM, but I don't suppose it will happen anytime soon.
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Oh, that is bad news really. How can Microsoft (or anyone else) talk about VoIP when the devices don't keep WiFi on all the time without draining the batteries?!? I find WiFi completely pointless on WM devices...
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In order for VoIP to work for receiving calls the WiFi needs to be on continuously in order to act as a server for inbound connections.
You can't have Wi-Fi on and the PDA off (or in standby) as Wi-Fi needs a functioning CPU and operating system to respond to packets as they arrive, it also needs the OS for housekeeping tasks such as encryption and polling the base station to keep the air link live.
Providing you don't have any bad being having applications battery life isn't impacted as much as you might think by leaving the PDA on using Wi-Fi (obviously the back light should time out to stop a major drain on the battery and so it may look off but it will still be running). SmartPhones (ones without touch screen) don't ever turn off (no standby mode) and remain fully powered up, it's only PDA's that standby, the reason for this is they are generally more powerful and allow you to install your own applications. An application that animates a weather symbol on the Today page could make the battery go flat very very quickly by keeping the CPU busy. A PDA uses standby to ensure no application can drain the power like that, and that they aren't expected to be quite as responsive as a normal phone, i.e. an incoming call needs to wake the device first so it may take a few seconds longer to ring.
If you get lots of calls and text messages on your Windows Mobile PDA it may actually use less power leaving the device on rather than allowing it to standby, this is because it takes quite a few CPU cycles to wake the phone up and make itself functional after standby so that in itself uses some power.
Lots of interesting info here: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/08/16/702833.aspx
Regards
Phil
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In order for VoIP to work for receiving calls the WiFi needs to be on continuously in order to act as a server for inbound connections.
You can't have Wi-Fi on and the PDA off (or in standby) as Wi-Fi needs a functioning CPU and operating system to respond to packets as they arrive, it also needs the OS for housekeeping tasks such as encryption and polling the base station to keep the air link live.
Providing you don't have any bad being having applications battery life isn't impacted as much as you might think by leaving the PDA on using Wi-Fi (obviously the back light should time out to stop a major drain on the battery and so it may look off but it will still be running). SmartPhones (ones without touch screen) don't ever turn off (no standby mode) and remain fully powered up, it's only PDA's that standby, the reason for this is they are generally more powerful and allow you to install your own applications. An application that animates a weather symbol on the Today page could make the battery go flat very very quickly by keeping the CPU busy. A PDA uses standby to ensure no application can drain the power like that, and that they aren't expected to be quite as responsive as a normal phone, i.e. an incoming call needs to wake the device first so it may take a few seconds longer to ring.
If you get lots of calls and text messages on your Windows Mobile PDA it may actually use less power leaving the device on rather than allowing it to standby, this is because it takes quite a few CPU cycles to wake the phone up and make itself functional after standby so that in itself uses some power.
Lots of interesting info here: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/08/16/702833.aspx
Regards
Phil
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Hi Phil,
What you say is only partially correct. Symbian smartphones do not go on standby, this is true, but in terms of operating system, power, and third-party applications they are no "weaker" than WM devices. And UIQ-based Symbian phones also provide touch screen functionality with an interface and capability which is pretty much the same as Windows Mobile. For example, a heavy application like TomTom Navigator 6 runs equally well, and with exactly the same speed and features on WM and Symbian devices.
CPU's on Symbian devices go anywhere between 200Mhz and 330Mhz, and do not need standby to save power. And a Nokia E61 can keep WiFi on (with VoIP in "always on" and listening) for two days with no interruption, and the battery won't be flat yet. So there is something wrong in the WiFi management of WM devices.
Also, Symbian devices allocate CPU cycles based on software demand, so the concept of putting the device in standby to save power is not at all necessary with current chips.
Another point that you make is that according to you the CPU on a Windows Mobile stops in standby. This is untrue. In standby mode background applications still run. For example, try any Instant Messaging application on Windows Mobile, and it will run also in standby (with the screen completely off). Same happens with push email solutions. Even Activesync runs in standby mode (screen completely off) during synchronisation with an Exchange server. I have experimented this many times with my Tytn.
The end result is that on WM devices, the only connection that "always on" applications like VoIP and push-email can use is 3G/GPRS, as they cannot automatically check WiFi coverage as needed. Which is something that Symbian devices do since ages. In fact, on Symbian devices you cannot switch WiFi on manually, it gets switched on by applications as needed, without manual intervention. And when WiFi is not available, then they go with 3G/GPRS.
As I said before, WiFi management and power management (I still don't understand why WiFi drags the battery so quickly on all WM devices) are the two things that really put me off with Windows Mobile devices, and frankly I do not understand why such a fundamental matter has not yet been addresses by Microsoft, HTC and the other vendors...
Or is the Qualcomm chip found in the Kaiser the solution?!?
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You need to read the article I posted a link to.
Windows Mobile 6 is working exactly the same as Symbian with one exception, on PDA devices there is an additional power saving mode, that is standby, where the CPU clock stops, nothing is running. Applications have no idea they have been suspended, time just stops. Yes there is a separate chip that is still on running the radio for the mobile phone part, and that can bring the device out of standby to service a call when needed, but the main CPU and OS is stopped dead.
For Windows Mobile Professional 6 which is only used on PDA type smartphones (i.e. have touch screen, Windows SmartPhones use Windows Mobile Standard 6), standby mode is the default power saving method, on Windows Mobile Smartphones, they don't use standby and are considered always on, so Windows Mobile Smartphones work very similar to the Symbian OS you describe. It's just Windows PDAs have the advantage of an extra powersaving mode.
Windows PDA devices don't always uses standby as they have an "unattended mode" where a program can tell the device it needs to constantly run, so while the device looks completely off, it will not be in standby in that instance. Also timers can be set to wake the device every few minutes, for example collecting email, where it will bring itself out of standby, do what it needs to do then back into standby again, but to the user the device will appear to be completely off.
I haven't said there is anything wrong with Windows Mobile power management. They can remain on like a Symbian device with Wi-Fi working if you set it that way and will run for as long as the battery will allow, that maybe a few hours or a few days, it depends what other software you have running and how much RAM needs to be kept alive.
If want to receive VoIP anytime over a Wi-Fi link then the Wi-Fi part has to remain constantly on, that's the rule of networking in order to maintain an open link and keep it's same IP address. A Wi-Fi device can't magically sense a call is coming in then turn on.
These devices are always trade offs, sounds to me like you want a Symbian device and not a Windows Mobile device, I don't think anyone has a problem with that and it's lucky we have a choice of what to go for.
Regards
Phil
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Providing you don't have any bad being having applications battery life isn't impacted as much as you might think by leaving the PDA on using Wi-Fi (obviously the back light should time out to stop a major drain on the battery and so it may look off but it will still be running).
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How practical is this? How do you get key lock functionality so that when the phone is in your pocket there are no unwanted touchscreen/key presses?
And can a WM device really cope with staying on (backlight off) from morning to evening with WiFi on plus the usual daily activity (calls, SMS, email, etc.)?
From my experience with Magician and Tytn this is totally impossible, unless the Qualcomm chip finally takes WM close to the performance of Nokia/SE devices.
One answer could be the fact that Symbian is a real-time operating system, meaning that it is capable of running on single-chip devices, while WM probably isn't.
I just can't believe that no 3rd-party software is there to solve such an obvious issue on WM devices...
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These devices are always trade offs, sounds to me like you want a Symbian device and not a Windows Mobile device, I don't think anyone has a problem with that and it's lucky we have a choice of what to go for.
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I do have a Nokia E61i, in fact, and I have had an HTC Tytn until a short while ago. And I am considering the new Kaiser now. So, as you can see, I am quite neutral. In fact, I keep switching between WM and Symbian about every three months!
But I was hoping that WM6 would finally solve this connectivity issue with WM devices, as I have become increasingly dependent upon VoIP, and therefore a good management of WiFI/3G connections is a key feature for me. The only reason why I got into this thread is that I was trying to find out if WM6 had finally implemented WiFi in a usable way (meaning without requiring me to manually switch it on).
The doubt came to me as I read some threads about the Toshiba G900, and someone was suggesting that the G900 was connecting to WiFi first and then to 3G automatically. I think someone mentioned an option in the 3G connections settings for this. It was a bit "between the lines", but I was hoping that WM6 had finally implemented this...
Thanks anyway for your time and for the good and informative dialogue.
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How practical is this? How do you get key lock functionality so that when the phone is in your pocket there are no unwanted touchscreen/key presses?
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There is a key lock.
And can a WM device really cope with staying on (backlight off) from morning to evening with WiFi on plus the usual daily activity (calls, SMS, email, etc.)?
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I first got a Toshiba G900 and due to a now well publicised bug it would often refuse to come out of standby! A popular work around was to disable standby so it was on constantly and it worked fine. Providing you have well behaving applications it will still throttle right down to save power when it's not being used.
Don't forget that Windows SmartPhone devices are "always on" and don't seem to have a problem.
One answer could be the fact that Symbian is a real-time operating system, meaning that it is capable of running on single-chip devices, while WM probably isn't.
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Windows Mobile is based on Windows CE, this is a real time embedded operating system used in a wide range of devices from barcode scanners, point of sale and up to ATMs.
I just can't believe that no 3rd-party software is there to solve such an obvious issue on WM devices...
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There are programs out there that allow you to tweak various settings regarding Wi-Fi and the priority it's given over other connections. For many people it's not an issue anyway, if it is, the Kaiser will be a popular device and the developer community for Windows Mobile is very large and solutions will appear.
Regards
Phil
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And a Nokia E61 can keep WiFi on (with VoIP in "always on" and listening) for two days with no interruption, and the battery won't be flat yet. So there is something wrong in the WiFi management of WM devices.
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My Nokia E70 (some software as the E61), only connected to wifi when the screen was on. Or only when trying to connect to the Internet.
It never kept the wifi on all the time ...
battery life was much better than on the kaiser though, I'd be happy if it lasted more than a day with wifi on
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My Nokia E70 (some software as the E61), only connected to wifi when the screen was on. Or only when trying to connect to the Internet.
It never kept the wifi on all the time ...
battery life was much better than on the kaiser though, I'd be happy if it lasted more than a day with wifi on
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I am sorry, but I don't think you have actually ever used a Nokia E70. There is no screen-off mode on Nokia smartphones. And you can't switch on or off the WiFi radio, it can only be switched on automatically by an application that needs it. And it will be shut off ONLY when no application needs it anylonger.
Anyway, if you really have a Nokia E70, just charge it fully, then configure a VoIP account (linked to your WiFi router) using the internal VoIP facility, and leave it on like that. It will make and receive VoIP calls of course, and it will stay like this for well into the second day. And WiFi will be always on of course, otherwise it would not receive VoIP calls...
And if you take a Nokia E61i, it stays with WiFi on and VoIP activated for at least three full days, with no pause!
So there is something wrong in the WiFi power management of all WinMo devices...
And in any case, I have yet to see a reliable way of using SIP-based VoIP on a WinMo device. Reliable means: conversation quality like a normal call, stays in my pocket like any other cell phone, and rings when my VoIP line gets called, and can do this for at least a full day without draining batteries... So far, I have only seen this type of functionality on Nokia smartphones.
The Kaiser is one of the supported devices in AGEphone Mobile 2.5 Speakerphone Edition!
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First impessions, coming from a Symbian S60 user (E70, N95, then E50 most recently (today)).
Negative:
Phone loses connection with the carrier, during calls, then reports "No Service" on the home screen. This is with Orange UK.
I don't seem to be able to alter the contact display from Lastname,Firstname to Firstname,Lastname.
I don't seem to be able to specify exactly what "Peak times" means for Exchange ActiveSync.
I don't seem to be able to adjust the brightness of the screen, to save battery life.
The screen is crooked (it's not straight!).
No preview of new emails on the home screen. Just a number telling me there are some waiting to be read. I have to click buttons to see a new email, which I don't have to do on S60 w/active standby.
Positive:
The UI is very fast compared to my E50, which was a dog.
Screen is bigger and brighter
It's fast (I already said that..)
It does 3G, obviously, when it's not showing No Service. Orange haven't rolled out HSDPA properly here yet
and on that bombshell, this phone is for sale. To be replaced by a Nokia E65.
Any takers? - http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=121290
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just a few comments...
Negative:
Phone loses connection with the carrier, during calls, then reports "No Service" on the home screen. This is with Orange UK.
I would say this is BECAUSE of Orange UK
I don't seem to be able to alter the contact display from Lastname,Firstname to Firstname,Lastname.
I am not sure if this works with the breeze but there is a hack for the Universal available to solve this
I don't seem to be able to specify exactly what "Peak times" means for Exchange ActiveSync.
Not sure what you mean
I don't seem to be able to adjust the brightness of the screen, to save battery life.
Using another operator would prevent switching from GPRS to 3G (and back) because of bad network connection, this saves more power
The screen is crooked (it's not straight!).
What do you mean?
No preview of new emails on the home screen. Just a number telling me there are some waiting to be read. I have to click buttons to see a new email, which I don't have to do on S60 w/active standby.
I just tried the Nokia E90 with active standby for a week and turned back to the Breeze. Even you see a part of the mail already you have to do something to read the whole mail or not??
Positive:
The UI is very fast compared to my E50, which was a dog.
Screen is bigger and brighter
It's fast (I already said that..)
It does 3G, obviously, when it's not showing No Service. Orange haven't rolled out HSDPA properly here yet
The screen being crooked is prob. just a production glitch - mine is fine.
As for contacts showing wrong - not a problem here, I don't remmeber how but I either reverted them in outlook or by editing the contact to switch them back around.
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I don't seem to be able to specify exactly what "Peak times" means for Exchange ActiveSync.
Not sure what you mean
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Simple. In ActiveSync's Server settings (on the Breeze, not the PC), there is a sync schedule. I currently have that set to "As items arrive" under the "Peak times" section. Well, I want to define Peak as being 8am to 6pm, or 9am to 5:30pm, for example
I don't seem to be able to adjust the brightness of the screen, to save battery life.
Using another operator would prevent switching from GPRS to 3G (and back) because of bad network connection, this saves more power
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Sure, but I've been with Orange for perhaps 8 years and never had a problem with *any* handset :shrug:
The screen is crooked (it's not straight!).
What do you mean?
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The screen has been fitted at an angle. It is not straight. Bad quality-control at the manufacturing site.
No preview of new emails on the home screen. Just a number telling me there are some waiting to be read. I have to click buttons to see a new email, which I don't have to do on S60 w/active standby.
I just tried the Nokia E90 with active standby for a week and turned back to the Breeze. Even you see a part of the mail already you have to do something to read the whole mail or not??
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Or not. I can glance at the screen and see that is it spam or something else not worthy of my attention
The E95 is a big ugly thing. Try an E50 or E65.
I don't seem to be able to alter the contact display from Lastname,Firstname to Firstname,Lastname.
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In MS(R) Outlook:
Settings - Contacts - Save As
And i'm sure that phone could make so
but i couldn't find how
may be it is my bug
Nope, edit the contact and change the "file as" selection.
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Simple. In ActiveSync's Server settings (on the Breeze, not the PC), there is a sync schedule. I currently have that set to "As items arrive" under the "Peak times" section. Well, I want to define Peak as being 8am to 6pm, or 9am to 5:30pm, for example
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Yes, you can. In Active Sync go to Menu->Schedule->Menu->Peak Times. There you can define Peak days, Peak start time and Peak end time.
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Nope, edit the contact and change the "file as" selection.
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I have 426 contacts.. do I have to do this for each one?
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Yes, you can. In Active Sync go to Menu->Schedule->Menu->Peak Times. There you can define Peak days, Peak start time and Peak end time.
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Ah, that's good then, thanks
I'm not trolling (honest guv! ) but I thought I'd give this Windows Mobile stuff a go, and the MTeoR seemed like the best idea because I wanted a candybar like my E50 but with 3G. HSDPA via firmware upgrade was a major bonus.
I did the firmware upgrade and discovered Orange UK don't have HSDPA much around this country anyway
I quickly realised that Windows Mobile just isn't quite right at all. It doesn't look or feel quite right whatsoever. It doesn't feel like a phone. It feels like a PDA running a phone application which works 80% properly.
I bought an E65 yesterday and I'm bloody loving it. I have TruPhone installed now and over my WiFi in the house I'm getting free UK landline calls, and reasonable calls to everywhere else in the world.
TomTom6 works.
I have an awesome calculator called Calcium.
Standby screen shows everything I want it to.
It just works.
The UI and behaviour has all the requirements for customisability you could want, although I admit it takes some time to figure out where everything is, with seemingly related options being in different areas/menus.
So, this MTeoR is still for sale and is in fabulous condition with HSDPA firmware on it and still under HTC Europe warranty. Any takers?
Let me ask you a question? which one do you do more often with your phone:
1. Read your email preview on your phone home screen to decide which email to read/pass
2. Make a call with your phone
With a Symbian S60 phone:
1. Just move cursor to email view
2. Example dial steve:
in Symbian you press Contact/Find, hit '7' 4 times, follow by '8', '3' 2 times, '8' 3 times and finally '3' 2 times before finally hit the Green button. Total= 1 + 4 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 14 times keypress to call Steve
With MTeoR:
1. Move Cursor to message and with one press you can see the Inbox list.
2. To dial Steve, you press '7', '8', '3', '8', '3' and finally Green button. Total 6 times keypress
The point I'm trying to make is that you need to familiarize yourself with the new OS before you can start appreciating its strength.
There are so many plugins that can be used to customize the Home Screen. Go to Juni site to get a preview of what you can actually do to the home screen.
http://www.kolumbus.fi/anders.ruohio/sp.html
Cheers!
Basically what you're saying is that there's no Predictive Text on the Contact List in Symbian. Fair enough. I see what you're saying.
I tried one of those homescreen plugin things.. Festi-something, or something which sounded like that.
It did all sorts, but no email on the front
Another thing.. I tried to dial my credit card company last night from the MTeoR.
I tapped in (very quickly):
08000288990
and what came on the phone was something like:
8288990
Perhaps it was up to something in the background.. I guess I'd have to go (hmm) start -> settings -> memory -> running applications -> stop applications
to stop them eh?
Just hold down main menu on Symbian.
OK OK I'm only joking, just winding you up. I already know there are good third-party task manager applications available. I've had plenty of PocketPCs before. Never got on with them one bit. Except, oddly enough, a Palm Tungsten.
I guess that's it. I just seem to dislike the feel of Windows Mobile. It's basically still in the Windows 3.0 era, whereas the rest of me moved onto Windows 95, and then 2000/XP. This explains why I hate Windows Mobile ("it just doesn't feel right") and why I prefer Symbian Phones, and the only PDA I've ever actually felt was 'quality' was a Palm Tungsten running that PalmOS or whatever it is they use.
I'm not wrong. Windows Mobile is the equivalent (look & feel) of mobile operating systems as Windows 3.0/3.1 is of desktop operating systems.
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I have 426 contacts.. do I have to do this for each one?
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No, only every 5th one...
Firstly, a big thank you to all contributors here, for the first time I thought I would contact HTC re problems with the diamond and believe me, I won't ever bother again with HTC support.
Over the years I've had many HTC devices and like many people here, have a strong understanding on subjects like push email. I just can't believe how difficult it is to talk to anyone from support areas regarding issues. I just thought HTC technical dept may be different, but sadly they are not.
The issues I have are (they have been discussed before but the threads have died with no solution)
1) Bluetooth headset, when disconnecting causes the Diamond to loose abilty to make any sound, be it ringing, alarm or music. This is random and only a soft reset cures the problem.
HTC response, Only HTC branded bluetooth devices are supported, tough!
2) Push E-mail, randomly forgets to check back with the server to see if their is a conenction and if not re-establish one. Logs show the device goes into sleep mode and is woke say 8 mins later (does change due to heartbeat interval changing) to ping server. however, its not waking. So I had a situation when the last server communication was 6am, and by the time I noticed I wasn't getting any mail 6 hours had past! Activesync on the device still show connected!!!
HTC response, clearly its your connection settings with your email. Hard reset and try again. Cant be our software.
Any ideas guys, I'm loosing the plot here. The handset is so much smaller and lighter than my kaiser, but I never had these issues.
P.S. I would never have bought another HTC device again if it wasn't for XDA. This forum has helped me so much over the years and also tought me the joys of WinMob!! HTC should be paying you guys!!
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Anyone else suffering from these problems? Push email is particularly frustrating.
I have this problem too. The answer from HTC is wrong because bluetooth is an universal standard and , is no reason to say to use only HTC bluetooth devices. Bluetooth should mean compatibility with all bluetooth devices . Another stupid answer from HTC.... Anybody to help us ...?
flashflash said:
Firstly, a big thank you to all contributors here, for the first time I thought I would contact HTC re problems with the diamond and believe me, I won't ever bother again with HTC support.
Over the years I've had many HTC devices and like many people here, have a strong understanding on subjects like push email. I just can't believe how difficult it is to talk to anyone from support areas regarding issues. I just thought HTC technical dept may be different, but sadly they are not.
The issues I have are (they have been discussed before but the threads have died with no solution)
1) Bluetooth headset, when disconnecting causes the Diamond to loose abilty to make any sound, be it ringing, alarm or music. This is random and only a soft reset cures the problem.
HTC response, Only HTC branded bluetooth devices are supported, tough!
2) Push E-mail, randomly forgets to check back with the server to see if their is a conenction and if not re-establish one. Logs show the device goes into sleep mode and is woke say 8 mins later (does change due to heartbeat interval changing) to ping server. however, its not waking. So I had a situation when the last server communication was 6am, and by the time I noticed I wasn't getting any mail 6 hours had past! Activesync on the device still show connected!!!
HTC response, clearly its your connection settings with your email. Hard reset and try again. Cant be our software.
Any ideas guys, I'm loosing the plot here. The handset is so much smaller and lighter than my kaiser, but I never had these issues.
P.S. I would never have bought another HTC device again if it wasn't for XDA. This forum has helped me so much over the years and also tought me the joys of WinMob!! HTC should be paying you guys!!
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I currently don't use BT headset anymore. However, before using Diamond, I use the HTC Touch Elf with A2DPTOGGLE http://www.teksoftco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1626
It can switch between BT headset or speaker. I tried beforeWM will not automatically switch between them. I know there is problem using the same A2DPTOGGLE in Diamond, because it is a Today plug-in and Diamind hide the Today from TouchFLO 3D. You may try to use "Second Today" together with the A2DPTOGGLE to fix your issue.
Another issue with your pushmail (via GPRS), I constantly working with pushmail and there is no missing mail. there are 2 things you may need to take into account.
1) check your peak or non-peak time. if you need to constantly receive mail immediately in 7x24, you need to set non-peak time also "arrive immediately". something like that.
2) apperantly, WM will save battery when device in sleep mode, WI-FI will deactivated. if you use WI-FI to work with pushmail, you may need some registry settings (i dunno which registry to control this) to disable such energy saving capability. Or, use normal GPRS or 3G data connectivity to test.
P.S. I hate to be the support of HTC product, but seems HTC have well-known bad after sales service.
Using adv. config. I disabled ,,joint stereo'' . I have no problems with ''no sound'' after using BT headset anymore. Can somebody else to confirm this ?
emilceteras said:
Using adv. config. I disabled ,,joint stereo'' . I have no problems with ''no sound'' after using BT headset anymore. Can somebody else to confirm this ?
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Hi there,
This topic is about my experience of configuring a-gps manually with a French operator. This may help others.
I installed a few day ago the last french official HTC ROM (see here)
My Diamond is SFR branded (French Vodafone), and after upgrading from the native SFR ROM to the HTC one, I felt a slowdown to get a good GPS signal for the apps I use: Googlemaps and iGo8. The signal also seemed less accurate.
I decided to investigate this way.
First of all, some elements that may be obvious for most of you, but reminding them does not hurt:
A-gps is a system that enhances GPS performance, by connecting to an a-gps server. As a matter of fact, this server makes use of cellular network signal to locate you faster. For further informations, see Wikipedia a-gps article.
AFAIK, a-gps is different from Quick GPS (see here) In particular, config values for a-gps and Quick GPS are located in different registry keys on Diamond.
Now let's get deeper into a-gps:
You can, once again AFAIK (and you'll correct me if I'm wrong ), use two kinds of a-gps server:
Your mobile vendor's server (i.e. HTC)
Your operator's server
I remembered that on some phones (at least Nokia N95), you have to define manually your a-gps server when using SFR network.
For Nokia, the problem is that the port used by the vendor's server is blocked by SFR WAP connection.
This is not the case of HTC a-gps server, since using HTC rom does not inhibit a-gps: it only seemed slower to me than with my SFR rom.
Here are the registry parameters for a-gps, on the original HTC ROM:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"EnableAGPS"=dword:00000001
"ServerPort"=dword:00001C6B
"ServerIP"="10.1.101.63"
"QosPerformance"=dword:00000059
"QoSAccuracy"=dword:00000032
"TimeBetweenFixes"=dword:00000001
"NumberFixes"=dword:3B9AC9FF
"GPSMode"=dword:00000002
I guess "10.1.101.63" is the IP address of an HTC's a-gps server (?!)
I then downgraded to native SFR ROM, and here was the same key:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"ServerURL"="geoloc2.sfr.fr"
"GPRSConnection"="WAP SFR GPRS"
"Network"="WAP SFR GPRS"
"EnableAGPS"=dword:00000001
"EnabledPrivacyMethod"=dword:00000000
"CloseConfirmMsgTime"=dword:0000003C
"PrivacyMethod"=dword:00000000
"EnableLocInfo"=dword:00000001
"ServerPort"=dword:00001C6B
"QosPerformance"=dword:00000059
"QoSAccuracy"=dword:00000032
"TimeBetweenFixes"=dword:00000001
"NumberFixes"=dword:3B9AC9FF
"GPSMode"=dword:00000002
As you see, the server is defined with its URL, "geoloc2.sfr.fr" (known as one of SFR's a-gps servers), and some parameters are different.
Of course, you have to replace "WAP SFR GPRS" by the network connection you want to use.
I upgraded to HTC ROM again, and set the operator's rom values.
Now I've got the feeling that it's harder, better, faster, stronger (and more accurate).
By the way, QuickGPS is configured in the following key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\QuickGPS].
Note that, on SFR branded rom, this key does not even exist.
Hope this helps.
I've wondered why Quick GPS seems to replace the A-GPS feature on the diamond. QuickGPS doesn't seem to do a damn thing for me. From cold boot, I can stand in open air for 5 minutes until I even start to get a peek at a couple of satellites. How can we be sure that QuickGPS is even working at all?
I used to own a Nokia N95 that had the A-GPS feature, the GPS inside the N95 was pretty average. But with the A-GPS feature you could at least get a lock in under 10 seconds, every time. As long as you had configured your positioning server, (supl.nokia.com) and you had a data connection, then it was consistently under 10 seconds from cold boot. Without A-GPS it was more like 5 minutes plus, basically what I'm seeing on the diamond.
As people have noticed, using tools like Advanced Config to enable A-GPS breaks the GPS completely. Probably because of the missing settings such as you have outlined above, (I noticed these settings while poking around in the registry recently too). I wonder how we can find out what the server names for other countries are and get this working for eveyone.
Also, the IP address 10.1.101.63 is a private IP address so I guess that explains why it fails when you switch AGPS on, that address will never be contactable, so they must have used it for some kind of internal testing - but if it's working for you (with your new settings) then why did HTC choose to leave it broken for the other ROMS....
Well... Since I updated to this last HTC rom, QuickGPS "does work". I mean, it is an installed program, therefore available in "programs" list, and when I launch it, I can "download" data to update it. Though I don't have a cue of what use is made of this technology on Diamond.
I've always used Advanced Config to enable A-GPS, and it has always worked for me. But if it breaks the GPS, I guess you can do it from the registry by setting "EnableAGPS" value to 1.
I also tested a N95 8Go recently, and I had the same results.
But I'm not sure to understand your need: Diamond has both A-GPS and QuickGPS. I don't think QuickGPS is very efficient, but A-GPS is.
I do also think that setting the "ServerIP" value to "10.1.101.63" must work worldwide, since I bet this is HTC's a-gps server.
With this, GPS signal takes about 30 seconds to lock (at first use after soft-reseting, but may be under 10 seconds for next uses).
Did you give it a try?
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Well... Since I updated to this last HTC rom, QuickGPS "does work". I mean, it is an installed program, therefore available in "programs" list, and when I launch it, I can "download" data to update it. Though I don't have a cue of what use is made of this technology on Diamond.
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Yes I have i too, and it connects and downloads data ok. But does it speed up a GPS lock? I don't think it does. I've hard reset and just run TomTom without QuickGPS and then with QuickGPS and I cannot for the life if me see any difference at all. In TomTom Satellite screen, you can see no data. If it was working, you should see all Satellite 'numbers' in their respective little boxes and then the tracking would begin almost immediately. But I'm not seeing this.
I've always used Advanced Config to enable A-GPS, and it has always worked for me. But if it breaks the GPS, I guess you can do it from the registry by setting "EnableAGPS" value to 1.
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Many people have said that enabling A-GPS (via advanced config or direct reg edit) makes the GPS stop working completely i.e. never getting a lock. If you have got this working for you, as far as I know, you're one of the first! Lucky you!
But I'm not sure to understand your need: Diamond has both A-GPS and QuickGPS. I don't think QuickGPS is very efficient, but A-GPS is.
I do also think that setting the "ServerIP" value to "10.1.101.63" must work worldwide, since I bet this is HTC's a-gps server.
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No that IP address is within a private non-routable range for internal private networks and cannot be reached from the internet. Read this if you want more info.
I do agree though on the A-GPS being better, and with my experience with Nokia phones A-GPS is excellent. I don't understand what it is that QuickGPS is trying to do, because there is nothing quick about it. I thought it would be similar to A-GPS (in how it actually works) but now I'm confused :/
With this, GPS signal takes about 30 seconds to lock (at first use after soft-reseting, but may be under 10 seconds for next uses).
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Now that's the sort of time we all should expect when using an assisted/quick GPS aid to the actual GPS chip. It should be lightning fast. So to me it says QuickGPS is pretty lame, as everyone is using it by default in all ROMS and there are many many people complaining about the GPS not getting a lock at all. So it can't possibly be working properly. And if it is, it still sux.
I'm going to try and replicate those settings you have above on my Diamond and see how it goes. I'll post back shortly.
OK well I've put all those settings in, but still no luck. It is not working. I've been waiting several minutes and still cant even get a fix.
It's not out of the realms of possibility that SFR's A-GPS server can only be used by SFR customers. After all, they assign you your IP address when you connect to the web on your diamond so they could easily lock it down so that random people cannot use it. In fact that would make a lot of sense.
I think we're close, but I guess we need to find a SUPL A-GPS server that is open to the public, maybe? Or certainly at least find out if HTC has one that we can use that is accessible via the internet... Maybe someone else has some ideas?
you can try: "supl.nokia.com" instead of "geoloc2.sfr.fr"
Have you tried this, and what port does it use?
I'd been playing some more and found out having it enabled really screws things up - TomTom thinks it has a lock, then it doesn't, then it does, then it doesn't, etc. It's really bugging out. So I just switched it off.
I'm really interested to know though if A-GPS will help with the ongoing GPS-Lag/inaccuracies problem, some poeple have reported that the lag is fixed in the new OS builds floating around but I can confirm that it is not fixed - in fact it felt like it was worse!
This GPS is causing too many headaches!!!
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Have you tried this, and what port does it use?
I'd been playing some more and found out having it enabled really screws things up - TomTom thinks it has a lock, then it doesn't, then it does, then it doesn't, etc. It's really bugging out. So I just switched it off.
I'm really interested to know though if A-GPS will help with the ongoing GPS-Lag/inaccuracies problem, some poeple have reported that the lag is fixed in the new OS builds floating around but I can confirm that it is not fixed - in fact it felt like it was worse!
This GPS is causing too many headaches!!!
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I'm also in Australia and i'm having the exact issues as you in regards to GPS lag and inaccuracies, i do however get a fix quite quickly, first time after a ROM change it takes a while but after that its somewhere between 30 sec and 1 min 30. I have changed my rom many times updating to all the latest custom ROM's, still its inaccuracy remains, its about 40 metres off on my device. I live inhouse number 16 and yet it tells me I'm at house 20. Like WTF........
What a pain in the arse!!!!
I got ip adress of HTC aGPS server!
its the 64.14.59.165
you got to just change the htc stock server of the diamond to this and its working well for me.
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I'm also in Australia and i'm having the exact issues as you in regards to GPS lag and inaccuracies, i do however get a fix quite quickly, first time after a ROM change it takes a while but after that its somewhere between 30 sec and 1 min 30. I have changed my rom many times updating to all the latest custom ROM's, still its inaccuracy remains, its about 40 metres off on my device. I live inhouse number 16 and yet it tells me I'm at house 20. Like WTF........
What a pain in the arse!!!!
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Tell me about it. Mine is about 50m off 90% of the time, sometimes it looks like it might be ok. The other thing I noticed today is that the 'speedo' in TomTom i.e. the bit on the status bar that tells you how fast you're going - which is usually very accurate - still tells me I'm going 15km/h, then slowly counts down to zero anything up to 20 seconds after reaching a complete stop! I am starting to regret spending money on TomTom. But to quantify that, I don't blame THEM, I'm just pissed I've shelled out so much for the Diamond + TomTom and the fkng things dont work properly. We have to get to the bottom of this!
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Tell me about it. Mine is about 50m off 90% of the time, sometimes it looks like it might be ok. The other thing I noticed today is that the 'speedo' in TomTom i.e. the bit on the status bar that tells you how fast you're going - which is usually very accurate - still tells me I'm going 15km/h, then slowly counts down to zero anything up to 20 seconds after reaching a complete stop! I am starting to regret spending money on TomTom. But to quantify that, I don't blame THEM, I'm just pissed I've shelled out so much for the Diamond + TomTom and the fkng things dont work properly. We have to get to the bottom of this!
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Yep, its all the same issues I'm having, but not just with tomtom, I'm using iGo8 and garmin XT with no success.
This was written by me on another thread complaining about the GPS.
I called HTC support Australia and informed them off its fault with GPS lag and its accuracy, I informed them that over 50% of users are having this issue on the XDA forum, they told me that no fault has been logged and there isn't an issue, It may be time to call up the tech support and make some noise to get this issue resolved. its a pain in the arse and it shouldn't be happening.
I also called up Hong Kong Customer support the other day and they said the exact same thing...... i think.... the chicks English was just deplorable.
I think i may call the Australian HTC support again, and just irritate the **** out of them, hopefully this time they may have a solution for me.
saveferris said:
I think i may call the Australian HTC support again, and just irritate the **** out of them, hopefully this time they may have a solution for me.
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I hope you can get somewhere mate! Good luck!
lowrider_05 said:
its the 64.14.59.165
you got to just change the htc stock server of the diamond to this and its working well for me.
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anyone tried if this really works?
Is IgO 8 working with A-GPS enabled?
Thanks
Update/Refresh of GPS data
Maybe a stupid question, but how can I update the a-GPS data or does the device update the data automatically?
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Well, it does seem to be some kind of Navigation related server - I am trying now...
Well, it doesn't seem to have made a difference - but I will test some more...
lowrider - where did you find that IP?
What is the data amount when using AGPS ?
Are some data only transferred when opening TomTom ?
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What is the data amount when using AGPS ?
Are some data only transferred when opening TomTom ?
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It should be only a few KB send, and then a little more KB received.
It should only happen when the GPS is activated (e.g. you start TomTom) and then the A-GPS would kick in then. It should not transfer any more data unless you lost the GPS signal, then it would assist the GPS in getting a lock again, and therefore transfer another few KB.
Hi,
I am sorry for boring people to death with this question, but I happened to scan this forum and other forums for a solution and found a zillion threads about battery life but no answer fro my specific concern.
When I use push or auto checking (5 minutes) with Exchange Server 2003 and WM 6.1, the battery will get killed when Activesync cannot connect to the Exchange Server (e.g. no reception). I can get this "fixed" by using manual sync, but I would really like to have mails pushed.
I am using an Aztor ROM 2.03.407.3 GER on a T-Mobile MDA Compact IV with 1.09.25.33 radio. I was hoping that somebody else did have this problem and flashed a different ROM (I am happy tp try 6.5) and got it fixed. I had this same problem with every ROM I tried.
Regards
Hannes
I never used A/S with Exchangeserver - do you need to be connected to your computer or is Exchangeserver able to directly take connections from WinMo devices? Based on the "Serverquelle hinzufügen..." menu item, perhaps the latter.
If so, do you use WiFi? WiFi is known to be a battery drainer and so is Bluetooth. If there is no solution, maybe you wanna give a docking station a try?
Hi,
yes, I am directly connecting to an exchange server in the web via UTMS / GSM - whatever is availabe. I am not using WiFi or Bluetooth for this. I think, this may be a general ActiveSync issue - it just keeps trying to communicate with the server, even with bad or no transmission. In that case the devices becomes hot, battery drains. Problem is gone with ActiveSync set to manual updates.
Regards
Hannes
For all I know, 3G is also a battery drainer especially in areas with weak signal. Did you try turning 3G off?
Thanks, I did not deactivate 3G, I usually get a straight "H" though, sometimes a "E" or "G", so I guess I have good UMTS reception most of the time and then sometimes Edge or GPRS. The thing is: no matter what reception, when I turn the scheduled syncing or push emails off in activesync, my battery lasts two days with occasional use. When I activate activesync, then the battery lasts one days when I am lucky, but gets killed within 30 minutes anytime during the day when activesync freaks. I think it is definitly an activesync issue. Nothing about "battery" and "activesync" in the MS knowledgebase, though.
I read about a similar issue here:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google%20Mobile/thread?tid=1f1677569a1fe0df&hl=en
But I have not only reinstalled my exchange account but also upgraded the Diomond ROM a couple of times with no luck.
Regards
Hannes
I looked for a hint in other forums, too, and this seems to be a general ActiveSync problem, not a Touch Diamond problem. In push / scheduled modes ActiveSync will continue to ping for a server while out of range.
Other devices exhibit the same behaviour. I don't understand why ActiveSync is not able to stop trying to connect when there is no or weak reception.
Hopefully WM 6.5 has this fixed? For me this is a solid reason to try out a WM 6.5 ROM.
Regards
Hannes
Hi Guys,
I am coming from Symbian to Windows Mobile. I have a HTC Fuze and can't seem to figure a few things out.
1. In Nokia (Symbian) you can setup your email and other data services to use your home wi-fi when you are in home. When you are outside, it will use 3G/GPRS etc. automatically (once preferred access points are setup). I can't figure this out with HTC FUZE. Everytime I have to turn on and off the Wi-FI Connection (Connection Manager -> wi-fi ON or OFF). if I leave it on, it keeps popping up with networks that it finds. If I leave it Off, it doesn't use wi-fi to retrieve emails and other things when am at home. I am sure this should be easy... Help !!!
2. When I set my phone in Vibrate mode, it doesn't even play music through headphones. I have to set it "ON" mode for it to even play music. This is annoying. At work, I want the phone to be in vibrate mode but still listen to music through head phone every now and then and not worry about my phone ringing. Is there a simple fix? Am I missing something??
3. When the phone is in Vibrate mode, I would like it to vibrate for incoming emails. it does not do that.
4. What is the best recommended "TODAY" Screen plug-in/program for wm 6.5 other than the titanium one?
I am using NATF's Win 6.5 latest ROM.
I appreciate all your help.
Best,
venkss said:
Hi Guys,
I am coming from Symbian to Windows Mobile. I have a HTC Fuze and can't seem to figure a few things out.
1. In Nokia (Symbian) you can setup your email and other data services to use your home wi-fi when you are in home. When you are outside, it will use 3G/GPRS etc. automatically (once preferred access points are setup). I can't figure this out with HTC FUZE. Everytime I have to turn on and off the Wi-FI Connection (Connection Manager -> wi-fi ON or OFF). if I leave it on, it keeps popping up with networks that it finds. If I leave it Off, it doesn't use wi-fi to retrieve emails and other things when am at home. I am sure this should be easy... Help !!!
2. When I set my phone in Vibrate mode, it doesn't even play music through headphones. I have to set it "ON" mode for it to even play music. This is annoying. At work, I want the phone to be in vibrate mode but still listen to music through head phone every now and then and not worry about my phone ringing. Is there a simple fix? Am I missing something??
3. When the phone is in Vibrate mode, I would like it to vibrate for incoming emails. it does not do that.
4. What is the best recommended "TODAY" Screen plug-in/program for wm 6.5 other than the titanium one?
I am using NATF's Win 6.5 latest ROM.
I appreciate all your help.
Best,
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1) I think you can go to Settings>personal>Sounds&Notifications and turn off the found new network notifications on the notifications tab (you also may be able to settings>wifi and change whether it scans or not, scanning seems like it would drain the battery)
2) The volume screen usually (depends on rom) has two tabs, one for sounds, one for ringer, so you could have sounds but vibe instead of ringer. Other than some 3rd party service that switches the volume settings based on the headphone port, i think that's about as good as it gets.
3) In that same settings>personal>sounds menu, you can change the new email notification to vibrate or sound and vibrate or whatever. it has to include vibrate in that setting though to vibrate ever.
4) I like the old-school HTC Home, or similarly SPB PocketPlus or SPB Diary. If you're looking for something fancier, lots of people use the Touchflo 3d (which can work in 6.5) or SPB Mobile Shell (there's a demo of version 3 on their website)
Hope I helped some, I know the windows mobile limitations can be annoying, but they're pretty minor overall (imho). All things considered, I've been a big fan for years, you just need to use a lot of 3rd party apps and tools.
Good luck, finding XDA was probably the best thing I ever did for my WinMo phone, hope you have the same experience.
Thank you very much for your reply. I can't seem to find the setting that you mention for turning off wireless scanning. Is this because of the ROM?
Also, if I have both Data Connection and Wi-Fi connection enabled, and say for example run Opera, how do you know which connection it is using? How do we change/specify the connection that opera uses? I am just using Opera as an example... bigger question is emails.
venkss said:
Thank you very much for your reply. I can't seem to find the setting that you mention for turning off wireless scanning. Is this because of the ROM?
Also, if I have both Data Connection and Wi-Fi connection enabled, and say for example run Opera, how do you know which connection it is using? How do we change/specify the connection that opera uses? I am just using Opera as an example... bigger question is emails.
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Hmm, I think I may have made that setting up
As long as your email account is set to use your Internet Connection (versus Work Connection), which should always be the default, and when you first connected to your wifi, it should have asked something like "This networks connects to: <radio buttons> The Internet, Work Network". As long as everything is "The Internet" you should be good. I don't know how to double check what connection it is actually using except looking at the activity light on your access point, but it should always use wifi over cellular data if wifi is available.
As far as the scanning / battery life, the performance slider in wifi was all i could find. I just use the Comm Manager to toggle wifi as needed, but admittedly I don't use it alot. I could see it being annoying.
So the nokia would know when you were by certain wifi spots and connect, without killing the battery life completely by having wifi on 24/7? That's pretty sweet...
I wonder if it just low power scans Wifi AP's every 5 min or so, maybe someone could make a similar WinMo Service?
I know this is way off topic for this thread, but if anyone has a more raphael specific programming guide, I'd appreciate a link.
I'm taking a look at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa457716.aspx
to see how hard programming is.
Both the headphone thing and the wireless thing would be nice to have as features. I'll see what I can do, but I've never developed for WinMo before, so absolutely no promises on anything =)
Thanks again, Friend.
You are right. I am not sure what happens in Nokia whether it does a low power scan or something... but when you turn off "Wireless scanning" in Nokia, it doesn't aggressively pop up available networks... thats all.
The way I used to do this in Nokia is through preferred access points. You would setup your wifi as your preferred and then the secondary access point would be AT&T network. Whether I use profimail (email client) or fring (chat voip client) they all had such a setting and somehow used wi-fi when I am at home without me doing anything.
BTW, the battery life did suck on my N95 8GB HTC so far has given me way better battery life than the Nokia.
For now, I will leave my WiFi On and see what happens.
The headphone thing is bizarre... I cannot adjust the phone volume only (1st slider bar on that screen) without adjusting the ringer volume. They move together on that screen. I am now in doubt of the ROM... so may be I will try just the plain vanilla Da_G ROM.
I need one general advice - For a newbie like me to winmo who is learning the basics of winmo, should I stay with stable, established ROMs than going to winmo 6.5 right now? should I go back to winmo 6.0? what do you think? Can you suggest a good ROM? I don't need/care to use the TF3D.
I get a lot of emails with attachments and one of the MAIN reason I came to HTC was the ability to edit/read/create Office documents. I will be happy if I can simply tune my HTC to be a good business user phone.
I appreciate your replies. Thanks much!!
venkss said:
Thanks again, Friend.
I need one general advice - For a newbie like me to winmo who is learning the basics of winmo, should I stay with stable, established ROMs than going to winmo 6.5 right now? should I go back to winmo 6.0? what do you think? Can you suggest a good ROM? I don't need/care to use the TF3D.
I get a lot of emails with attachments and one of the MAIN reason I came to HTC was the ability to edit/read/create Office documents. I will be happy if I can simply tune my HTC to be a good business user phone.
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As far as that goes, I've only used 6.5 for a few days, the deal breaker for me was SPB Diary not working (and SBSH Breeze, i tried both, they do the same thing). I NEED them for getting work done. For some reason it doesn't pull calendar data in 6.5, so I've always used 6.1 ROMS.
I'm actually recently back on EnergyRom2.0 from 4/16/09 (the version without TF3D is my favorite ROM ever, i think) but am tempted to tryout the Gen.Y R3 rom, which is a much newer 6.1 that's supposed to be stable, it's built off his popular HTC Diamond ROM and has the newer goodies like wifi data sharing built in. (i think)
Monx's ROMeos is on his site, you have to donate to get download access, but he has some very nice, fast, stable WM6.1 roms I've used before also.
I think at this point, at least with WM6.1, most of the established roms are fast and stable, it comes down to what you like bundled with it, and what looks good to you.
If you haven't seen it, I'd check out www.blownfuze.org, he talks more about 6.5 roms, and a LOT of other essentials for your phone. (in a very entertaining fashion)