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I'm getting really confused by the responses from distributors and people on this forum. Correct me if I'm wrong:
a) Expansys are selling Grey imports which do not contain the software fix?
b) The official release date is the 16th June? 19th June? 9th June? 23rd June? (depending on what site you go on)
c) if above is correct why are some sites saying they are getting a stock in on the 12th (originally 9th)
d) How do you know you have a grey? Obviously the manuals etc will be in english.
e) Is the software fix available to correct the issue if you have a Grey?
I'm sure I'm not the only person thinking this in the UK
See if HTC let you register your serial. If not, then its probably grey.
If you didn't get your device in HK, or direct from HTC, then its pretty likely its a grey
Well I've ordered mine from TotalPDA. They have informed me that they are getting them in stock on the 11th June. Depending on the release date this could mean its a grey
I doubt it, why would they risk all the bad press after seeing the reaction eXpansys have got?
I'm going to drop an email to them and see what I get back. I'll post anything I receive
it will depends on where you live, Expansys has offices around the world, and they sell the offical hong kong version both english and chinese, if you get the english hong kong version, it's the same as any english version you buy, you will see it labelled WWE which is world wide english, the only differences is, you don't get the official warranty, and HTC will not give you support.
kms
So do these 'grey' imports come with UK power plugs or some adapter?
And are they factoy sealed when you get them?
kms108 said:
it will depends on where you live, Expansys has offices around the world, and they sell the offical hong kong version both english and chinese, if you get the english hong kong version, it's the same as any english version you buy, you will see it labelled WWE which is world wide english, the only differences is, you don't get the official warranty, and HTC will not give you support.
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If Expansys were labelling it as HK sourced, as they often do for other products, that would be fair enough - people would know what they're buying. But they're not - the top of their product page prominently claims it to be "version: UK, GPS". No doubt by the time they're forced to change it they well have sold all the stock at the vastly inflated price. To me that looks like deliberate deception, further supported by the deletion of the original grey import thread on their forum, and locking of other threads on the subject. They have also refuse to answer whether the warranty is for 1 or 2 years (as offered with some EU HTC models). Highly unethical in my book.
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If Expansys were labelling it as HK sourced, as they often do for other products, that would be fair enough - people would know what they're buying. But they're not - the top of their product page prominently claims it to be "version: UK, GPS". No doubt by the time they're forced to change it they well have sold all the stock at the vastly inflated price. To me that looks like deliberate deception, further supported by the deletion of the original grey import thread on their forum, and locking of other threads on the subject. They have also refuse to answer whether the warranty is for 1 or 2 years (as offered with some EU HTC models). Highly unethical in my book.
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sorry
my apologies, I didn't see that, and you are right. if it stated uk, it's false advertisement, and it's right for everyone to attack on them.
@someone1234
hk uses the same three pin square plug as the UK, it's the legal requirement.
kms
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sorry
@someone1234
hk uses the same three pin square plug as the UK, it's the legal requirement.
kms
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Ahh of course i had forgoten about that!
I sent TotalPDA an email yesterday asking them to confirm TRUE UK stock. No reply yet which is worrying. My last emails were answered within 2 hours....
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I just got mine HTC Touch Diamond from eXpansys.
I just got mine HTC Touch Diamond from eXpansys.
HTC Is not registering my product online.
It is WWE version but that’s for ROM only.
The s/n and the origin country for the hardware is not accepted from HTC for the product registration.
So, this is what eXpansys is telling me.
Sticky: Warranty on the DiamondThe units are WWE and have full manufacturers warranty, eXpansys will handle any warranty repairs on your behalf as eXpansys would with any other HTC device.
Yoni,
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As far as I understand this is what Expansys is offering to me.
- If something goes wrong with the device Expansys will replace the device but they will covering the European transportation costs.
Have in mind that I am from Macedonia.
- I will have to send them directly to their specified address.
- I wont be able to get the support from the HTC listed European authorized services.
- And no rom official updates. They will be posted in their forum.
Somebody confirmed that with HTC here -> (eXpansys deleted forum thread here.)
KraFT
KraFT_mk said:
I just got mine HTC Touch Diamond from eXpansys.
HTC Is not registering my product online.
It is WWE version but that’s for ROM only.
The s/n and the origin country for the hardware is not accepted from HTC for the product registration.
So, this is what eXpansys is telling me.
Sticky: Warranty on the DiamondThe units are WWE and have full manufacturers warranty, eXpansys will handle any warranty repairs on your behalf as eXpansys would with any other HTC device.
Yoni,
eXpansys Product Support,
Forum Search
As far as I understand this is what Expansys is offering to me.
- If something goes wrong with the device Expansys will replace the device but they will covering the European transportation costs.
Have in mind that I am from Macedonia.
- I will have to send them directly to their specified address.
- I wont be able to get the support from the HTC listed European authorized services.
- And no rom official updates. They will be posted in their forum.
Somebody confirmed that with HTC here -> (eXpansys deleted forum thread here.)
KraFT
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you should be able to get support and update from htc hong kong, it is the hk version.
kms
KraFT_mk said:
I just got mine HTC Touch Diamond from eXpansys.
HTC Is not registering my product online.
It is WWE version but that’s for ROM only.
The s/n and the origin country for the hardware is not accepted from HTC for the product registration.
So, this is what eXpansys is telling me.
Sticky: Warranty on the DiamondThe units are WWE and have full manufacturers warranty, eXpansys will handle any warranty repairs on your behalf as eXpansys would with any other HTC device.
Yoni,
eXpansys Product Support,
Forum Search
As far as I understand this is what Expansys is offering to me.
- If something goes wrong with the device Expansys will replace the device but they will covering the European transportation costs.
Have in mind that I am from Macedonia.
- I will have to send them directly to their specified address.
- I wont be able to get the support from the HTC listed European authorized services.
- And no rom official updates. They will be posted in their forum.
Somebody confirmed that with HTC here -> (eXpansys deleted forum thread here.)
KraFT
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You are from Greece my friend?
notisz said:
You are from Greece my friend?
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No my friend, I am from Macedonia.
And you are from?
K
kms108 said:
you should be able to get support and update from htc hong kong, it is the hk version.
kms
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That’s exactly what I will do but after a few months.
I doubt but who knows....Maybe eXpansys will somehow add our s/n as valid EU numbers.
K
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No my friend, I am from Macedonia.
And you are from?
K
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Then you are from Greece my friend because Macedonia is a province of Greece unless you are from F.Y.R.O.M. Please lets keep the international conventions in country names in the forum.
P.s I dont think Alexander the Great was speaking Slavic unless he had Tito as teacher instead of Aristotelis!!!
And iam from Greece of course as many other members in this forum.
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Got mine from the local market here in Dubai and successfully registered it on the HTC site.
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Then you are from Greece my friend because Macedonia is a province of Greece unless you are from F.Y.R.O.M. Please lets keep the international conventions in country names in the forum.
P.s I dont think Alexander the Great was speaking Slavic unless he had Tito as teacher instead of Aristotelis!!!
And iam from Greece of course as many other members in this forum.
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LOL!
You people are unreal!
Hi, I recieved my diamond from expansys two days ago.
Everything is ok so far, except for the ROM and RAM which are far away from 256 and 193....is it because the device is a grey import (as people from other forums are saying!!) or what??
Anyway, if the device is legal and eveything is ok, why it is not allowing serial number registration with HTC website??
And finally, I really respect expansys and do think that they are decent people, but what should I do if the new versions have bigger RAM and ROM, shall I ask for return or any compensation (according to the UK rules)??
As i said in my other post, its a grey unit ie its not a uk model but an asian unit. Which means that HTC UK wont support it, if you have any problems you will need to send it to Expansys who will then sort it out for you...but you will not get any technical support from HTC. Also you wont get any support unless you rely on Expansys to supply any rom updates etc. You will need to register your serial number on HTCs asian website, then it will accept it.
As for Expansys being decent people??...i dont think so, the fact that they have and are still duping people into thinking that the Diamonds they are selling are UK spec, when they arent really speaks volumes about their practices. They have lost my business thats for sure, i refuse to deal with a company that cannot be honest and upfront...thats been proven by their constant deleting of posts in their forums.
Now if i was you??, i would return it, get my money back..wait a week for the 'real' uk stock to come in...hopefully next week they will be here and not only that you will save yourself some money as it will be cheaper than what Expansys are selling them at...in fact totalpda.co.uk are selling them at £410. Of course its up to you but if i was you, id be sending it back for a full refund.
The ROM/RAM is used by the device and not shown... What are the figures you have, as this may be the cause?
Currently, there are no UK release models available, and there should not be for at least a week...
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As i said in my other post, its a grey unit ie its not a uk model but an asian unit. Which means that HTC UK wont support it, if you have any problems you will need to send it to Expansys who will then sort it out for you...but you will not get any technical support from HTC. Also you wont get any support unless you rely on Expansys to supply any rom updates etc. You will need to register your serial number on HTCs asian website, then it will accept it.
As for Expansys being decent people??...i dont think so, the fact that they have and are still duping people into thinking that the Diamonds they are selling are UK spec, when they arent really speaks volumes about their practices. They have lost my business thats for sure, i refuse to deal with a company that cannot be honest and upfront...thats been proven by their constant deleting of posts in their forums.
Now if i was you??, i would return it, get my money back..wait a week for the 'real' uk stock to come in...hopefully next week they will be here and not only that you will save yourself some money as it will be cheaper than what Expansys are selling them at...in fact totalpda.co.uk are selling them at £410. Of course its up to you but if i was you, id be sending it back for a full refund.
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wrong, just plain wrong, ANY DEVICE WITH A HTC SN (Serial Number) IS SUPPORTED (VIA WARRANTY & Updates) BY HTC!!!
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wrong, just plain wrong, ANY DEVICE WITH A HTC SN (Serial Number) IS SUPPORTED (VIA WARRANTY & Updates) BY HTC!!!
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Do you work for expansys by any chance?
Nocturne_sa said:
Do you work for expansys by any chance?
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please, i have a real job, now if you have any other questions with substance feel free to ask, if not, then dont bother.
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wrong, just plain wrong, ANY DEVICE WITH A HTC SN (Serial Number) IS SUPPORTED (VIA WARRANTY & Updates) BY HTC!!!
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Lets clear this one up for once and for all on the warranty front.
If you are say in the UK and buy a grey import then you are NOT supported or warranted by HTC UK. You can get support from the area in which the device was obtained from, in these cases Asia. So if the unit breaks you must return it to HTC in Hong Kong either directly yourself or via Expansys which will handle it for you.
You also cannot register a unit from Hong Kong on the HTC UK site and therefore for updates you must register units on the HTC regional site from which the unit was obtained, in these cases the Asian site.
Furthermore the level of warranty differs from region to region so in the EU many devices are under warranty for 24 months which is not the case in others and if a unit is sourced from outside the EU then it will only have the warranty period for that region which in most cases will be about 12 months.
The beef that most people have with this is that Expansys are not being completely transparent about this so people are buying them and then not knowing the full position.
Well and more to the point really . Customers are not getting a choice . They think they are getting a UK branded device as advertised when in fact thay are not. This is against the law in the UK as selling Grey Goods is classed as counterfit.
The warranty is your choice but i would not risk the word of a company that is clearly trying to pull the wool over it's customers eyes just to be first to market. You may as well buy a unit off Ebay which is far cheaper and you will still have to use country of origan for its warranty repairs.
Just my 2 pence worth
Ok guys. I bought my Diamond from Expansys as I have my Tytn II a few months back.
I did try to register its serial number through HTC and I got the message that it was not an HTC phone.
I then registered under a different email giving Honk Kong as a country of residence and when I tried to register my phone stil got the same message.
Any Idea???
Thanks
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Ok guys. I bought my Diamond from Expansys as I have my Tytn II a few months back.
I did try to register its serial number through HTC and I got the message that it was not an HTC phone.
I then registered under a different email giving Honk Kong as a country of residence and when I tried to register my phone stil got the same message.
Any Idea???
Thanks
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Did you try going through the HTC Asian/HK site?
legal
Gray is not illegal in the UK, Black is illegal you are buying a genuine product from the manufacture so its not Black or (i hope) stolen
What is illegal is false advertising but after looking at the site, there is nothing in there that is illegal, it in no way suggests anything about the extent of the warrenty other than contact them, it in no ways states that its anything other than a English UK phone, which it is otherwise it would be german or Japanise or something.
the fact of the matter is, its called GRAY for a reason, its not illegal but its not exactly very open either, common sence is needed here people, if someone is doing something thats to good to be true, it probably is, O2 have backed HTC for years now, if anyone was going to release genuine HTC UK phones then either O2 or HTC will do it first
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Gray is not illegal in the UK, Black is illegal you are buying a genuine product from the manufacture so its not Black or (i hope) stolen
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True, but selling at those it where not grey market imports is illegal, and is also trademark infringement as the items are not to be sold in the UK...
What is illegal is false advertising but after looking at the site, there is nothing in there that is illegal, it in no way suggests anything about the extent of the warrenty other than contact them, it in no ways states that its anything other than a English UK phone, which it is otherwise it would be german or Japanise or something.
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If sold as an "Englis UK" device, that is what they should be. I believe these devices are in fact HK WWE devices, which makes it illegal.
the fact of the matter is, its called GRAY for a reason, its not illegal but its not exactly very open either, common sence is needed here people, if someone is doing something thats to good to be true, it probably is, O2 have backed HTC for years now, if anyone was going to release genuine HTC UK phones then either O2 or HTC will do it first
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Orange backed HTC devices far earlier than O2, and T-Mo have actually announced the device, so I suspect one of those would release the device before O2.
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Did you try going through the HTC Asian/HK site?
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Yes I did and still got the same message
athosk said:
Yes I did and still got the same message
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Maybe HTC have blocked the S/Ns of the Expansys stock...
Send them an email...
legal or not
it is potentially a copywrite infringment if HTC havent gave permision to sell it or indirectly sell it, that doesnt make it illegal until HTC says so, its quite possible that they allow first tire resells to pass on to europe, it is not however illegal just because itcame from The far east.
It is sold as a UK device, the device is English however, it may have been adapted to be english but its english, in the same way that a german book translated in to english is still english (all be it usually bad) they are not doing anything legally wrong so long as HTC approves to the sale ofits devices, and since they are getting paid for them one way or another its unlikely they will care much, and its perfectly ok for them to limit the warrenty on them as well, so long as its at least 12months, they will however insist that it is sent back through the original retailier it was brought from
i think some one posted in somware that register problem is coming coz HTC webpage not updated, or data not updated yet. he told he recive a mail from HTC.
anyway non of my business... i have no hand in HTC or Expansy or anything els.....
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it is potentially a copywrite infringment if HTC havent gave permision to sell it or indirectly sell it, that doesnt make it illegal until HTC says so, its quite possible that they allow first tire resells to pass on to europe, it is not however illegal just because itcame from The far east.
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I believe since the devices where not sold with the intention of being sold in the UK, it probably is illegal, although as you say, HTC will be the ones to decide.
It is sold as a UK device, the device is English however, it may have been adapted to be english but its english, in the same way that a german book translated in to english is still english (all be it usually bad) they are not doing anything legally wrong so long as HTC approves to the sale ofits devices, and since they are getting paid for them one way or another its unlikely they will care much, and its perfectly ok for them to limit the warrenty on them as well, so long as its at least 12months, they will however insist that it is sent back through the original retailier it was brought from
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The ROM on these devices is the HK WWE ROM. It is a WWE ROM rather than a "UK English" ROM. And, all the german translations I've witnessed have been pretty good
I got mine from expansys and manged to join club HTC with the serial number no problems on the europe site.
Question is when a update comes out will it ask for a serial number and will it be valid then.
My bad just tried to register the devive and yep does not register. Guess ill have to wait for people to release the update on here really.
Register on the english version of the HK site. At least you can get any roms released for that region (and share them here too!).
I returned my orange HTC diamond as the coverage was rubbish back to the store and my vodafone HTC diamond arrived. I can confirm it comes with a case. And it does not look to bad. How long should I charge it for?
what ROMs?
what rom version are on the vodafone version, I have a orange one and the batterys crap and I am having problems getting HTC and orange to get a new rom
lenaddison said:
what rom version are on the vodafone version, I have a orange one and the batterys crap and I am having problems getting HTC and orange to get a new rom
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I am just charging it right now, but once done I will post the rom version.
I got a VF one, first thing I did was flash to the HTC OEM version, the VF one is slow as hell, what would be useful though is to get the SAT app back, although not desperate for it as I have TT7 now which is excellent. VF really know how to screw a ROM up, they did the same to the TYTN one.
I actually lashed my orange one with the euro rom and found it pants, this voda rom is not so bad, except for the colour. PLus side it is unlocked. Right my rom and radio are as follows:
ROM 1.37.161.2WWE
ROM DATE 06/26/08
RADIO 1.00.25.03
PRROTOCOL 52.26A.25.09U
Orange Diamond
I got mine from Orange yesterday. i too have noticed the poor 35 coverage - the device is most of the times in G mode.
although it's Orange branded , i got it through Phones4U. So at least it doesn't have the Orange usual crap colorings and themes. (it looks exactly as the usual HTC stuff).
because i'm horribly new to this diamond stuff, i still don't know whether the rom is original HTC or Orange version. Could anyone confirm if his Orange rom version is different from the one in my signature? thanks.
at least i'm still in the 7-day cooling off period and can return.
The orange rom is the generic rom, I got mine from phones 4u also. Orange were not able to tango the rom in a rush to get ot out. Though the store demo ones I saw are tangoes.
Bardia Garsha said:
I got mine from Orange yesterday. i too have noticed the poor 35 coverage - the device is most of the times in G mode.
although it's Orange branded , i got it through Phones4U. So at least it doesn't have the Orange usual crap colorings and themes. (it looks exactly as the usual HTC stuff).
because i'm horribly new to this diamond stuff, i still don't know whether the rom is original HTC or Orange version. Could anyone confirm if his Orange rom version is different from the one in my signature? thanks.
at least i'm still in the 7-day cooling off period and can return.
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Also if you upgrade you radio to .05 version you will see an improvement. I spent money unlocking mine to return it oh well. As I travel a lot and in my office there was no reception.
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Also if you upgrade you radio to .05 version you will see an improvement. I spent money unlocking mine to return it oh well. As I travel a lot and in my office there was no reception.
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interesting. thanks.
i've also spent money on unlocking. i donated $55 to xda yesterday b4 3pm, it's now past 10 a.m. & have not received the unlock code yet
Is the vodafone HTC diamond really UNlocked? that could decide it on whether i upgrade with Orange or go to Vodafone? Also, has anyone compared Orange Diamond to Voda Diamond in terms of responsiveness etc...?
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anyone has the vodafone uk rom?
I have flashed my diamond before dumped it.
Nice to have it as backup.
Thank you.
Vodafone UK Rom
I have a brand new Vodafone HTC Diamond. I do not like the white-red looks, I'd rather have the black one.
But wouldn't flashing the rom invalidate my 2 year warranty?
I have found the dump.arj (Vodaphone rom dump), though not sure how to put it back to my phone if I need to... Instructions provided in that thread were confusing, but they become more clear once I have managed to download the kitchen (currently unavailable )
And then - which new rom is the best for UK (has most bug fixes and best performance)?
Sorry for my ignorance but this is the first try to flash any roms... I would be really grateful for some hints/advice
hi frm india and i wanna get the diamond2 but its not gonna be released here for a long time so planning to get it from some other country
SO PLS TELL ME WHICH COUNTRY WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION
Europe!
I think there won't be any serious differences between the European countries...
But think of Germany, because we are the "Export-Champions".
The Touch Diamond 2 will hit the German market (ca.) at the 17th April and will cost about 450€.
take a look:
http://www.amazon.de/HTC-Diamond-Bl...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1237492484&sr=8-1
thanks a ton
but wont it be in german and not english
and wat about getting it frm singapore
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COLMAS said:
thanks a ton
but wont it be in german and not english
and wat about getting it frm singapore
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well u can still get it and then put a cooked rom on it!!
I have one preordered!
Hi i have just preordered the last one from a site in England, its being shipped to NYC next week, but i just got a work blackberry, if you want it i can ship it over ? It is expensive though, email me!
[email protected]
If you want it in english (delivered from Germany) you can also check on these guys:
http://www.pdamax.de/?art_nr=hc-067&ausWG=Org
They always have the devices in english + german.
Regards
Thorsten
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If you want it in english (delivered from Germany) you can also check on these guys:
http://www.pdamax.de/?art_nr=hc-067&ausWG=Org
They always have the devices in english + german.
Regards
Thorsten
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It works out cheaper to buy from the UK, if you can find someone that does international shipping. The Euro is too strong compared to the pound at the moment to make ordering from the rest of Europe worthwhile.
i too am from mumbai india abnd needed the diamond could some1 let me know when is it expected in india and if i buy it from europe will i still be able to use all features prefer buying it from here though
dude, just get it from Clove UK. they have very good ratings..
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dude, just get it from Clove UK. they have very good ratings..
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yes but will all features of a european diamond work and also during a rom update will u update it as india update or uk update since the radio and connectivity will be different
not 100% sure, but the specs of the euro diamond should essentially be the same as the ones you will get in india..check out the specs, only difference between euro and us version are the wcdma bands and as far as i know india does not have proper 3g connections yet, so why bother?
as far as updates are concerned, u will get the standard update..there is no uk/india update unless your phone is tied to a network. u can go ahead and buy the d2.
I am from India too.. i am planning to buy D2 from Clove.
But what about the excise/customs charges? How much do we have to pay to import the D2?
I think now it's 35% for personal electronic goods (Previously blanket 200%). But never know these corrupt ppl anyways. Not much personal experience.
Also Express shipping DHL are always checked unlike ordinary post which may skip thru. Also for gift items they might consider waiver (upto 10$/INR 500 worth) but not for such costly items. Never misstate the contents as it may get confiscated in addition to getting U into serious legal trouble.
Hi all,
I'm new to the forum and to Windows Mobile. I'm planning to get a new Diamond 2 in The Netherlands. Searching I've found that I can get the MDA Compact V version from T-Mobile NL or go for the HTC Diamond 2 version on T for Telecom. My biggest concern is that I want to have the device in ENGLISH, does anyone from The Netherlands know which versions are sold here and which language they ship with?
Is it possible to change the language afterwards in case it comes in dutch? I've seen some threads talking about the need of flashing the ROM for this. I'm a really new to all this so I don't know if that is possible using official HTC ROMS or is something else...
I don't know if I make much sense, sorry again if I talk non-sense.
Thanks!
In almost every shop you can choose between the NLD (Dutch) version and the UK (WWE) version. Just ask at the shop.
Thanks, I'll try that. I had assumed that being in The Netherlands all shops will be selling only the Dutch version.
Sorry, but you can't chose between langages in the shops in The Hague, especialy at Bel Company. They don't care if you want an english version and they become very arogant about that. Best thing is to buy one in dutch if they don't want to provide one in english and ask nicely CMONEX to help you to change the language in english.
Thanks for the info iulnitu. I'll check on Saturday and see if I can get it in English. It's a bit strange that this happened to you at Bel Company. In their website they are announcing both version NL and UK, you can check here:
http://www.belcompany.nl/NL/Ik_Wil/een_nieuw_toestel.htm
Anyway, I'll guess I'll find out personally this Saturday. Anyone with a similar experience?
pdashop.nl sells devices in NL en ENG. Other sites do too.
T-Mobile will probably only sell the Dutch device. If you want to get a WWE version you'll have to look at a HTC Touch Diamond 2 (Not MDA Compact V).