These are some of the Kaiser's internals.
Here you will find the diagram of it:
DIAGRAM
This is the page I found this on:
Qualcomm MSM7200Chipset In Kaiser
Lemme know what you guys think!
interesting that its chip supports video out but they did not add it in the hardware.
magnamar said:
interesting that its chip supports video out but they did not add it in the hardware.
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yes, the chip in the 8525/TyTN supported gps but did not support it.
the mogul has the 7500 chip which supports the same as the kaiser but the device doesnt support it all.
KaiserLinux said:
These are some of the Kaiser's internals.
Here you will find the diagram of it:
DIAGRAM
This is the page I found this on:
Qualcomm MSM7200Chipset In Kaiser
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Interesting - this chipset has HSUPA support by default, but Kaiser doesn't support it (or at least, HTC does not confirm this). Does it mean that Kaiser has limited edition of that chipset, or maybe HSUPA will become available with future ROM updates from HTC?
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Interesting - this chipset has HSUPA support by default, but Kaiser doesn't support it (or at least, HTC does not confirm this). Does it mean that Kaiser has limited edition of that chipset, or maybe HSUPA will become available with future ROM updates from HTC?
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I am sure this has to do with the carriers network supporting this bandwith upload feature.
iservealot said:
I am sure this has to do with the carriers network supporting this bandwith upload feature.
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Well, everything will turn out once Kaiser will hit the shelves and people start using it, and sharing (hopefully) their thoughts about it...
eva_d said:
Interesting - this chipset has HSUPA support by default, but Kaiser doesn't support it (or at least, HTC does not confirm this). Does it mean that Kaiser has limited edition of that chipset, or maybe HSUPA will become available with future ROM updates from HTC?
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I suspect this will have a lot more to do with Microsoft's WM6 not ready to cope with these kind of 3,5G / 3,75G protocols.... (correct me if i'm wrong)
So that should also mean that future upgrades (AKU's i'd suspect) might correct the lack of HSUPA
Interesting - this chipset has HSUPA support by default, but Kaiser doesn't support it (or at least, HTC does not confirm this). Does it mean that Kaiser has limited edition of that chipset, or maybe HSUPA will become available with future ROM updates from HTC?
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As per the comment above, I definitely think it is based on the carrier.
The radio on kaiser runs L4/Linux Pistachio microkernel, you can read more information here.
Some pr0n for the linux geeks:
Code:
$ strings kaiser_radio_0x301.nb |grep -i linux
M6500C L4/Linux
L4 Linux
NICTNICTA::Pistachio - built on Jan 23 2007 18:10:22 by [email protected] using gcc version 3.4.1
start_linux_cmd
vmlinux != NULL
vmlinux
vmlinux igms_name=ramdisk root=/dev/igms0
start_linux
The radio on kaiser runs L4/Linux Pistachio microkernel, you can read more information here.
Some pr0n for the linux geeks:
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Thanks for this info! I am reading over it now.
im a bit confused on how it could run the l4 microkernel and windows 6 on it. I was hoping that I could somehow flash the device with a Linux embedded bootloader - > load a kernel that has support for both of these arm cpu's and board -> then load driver modules for all of the different radios and interfaces and drop some minimalistic OS on top of that. Does anyone know the feasibility of accomplishing something like this? Also how the l4 linux kernel can run side by side with wm6?
Think of the radio interface as a computer inside an another computer (the phone itself). The main CPU runs WM6 and interfaces with the radio which runs an embedded linux.
Wrong, on most phones you are correct, they have a cpu and the seperate communications processor. But the kaiser is unique in using the communications processor as the primary CPU for the entire device. So unless there is a seperate arm core (dual core?) inside it, how is it running both linux and wm?
That's the thing that is very interesting. Looking at the diagram the msm7200 board seems to have an ARM11 and an ARM9 cpu on it.
I coudlv'e sworn someone said that it might be a dual core...
KaiserLinux said:
Also how the l4 linux kernel can run side by side with wm6?
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They can share address space on the same CPU,
wince is a 25bit OS.
Do you have the Kaiser phone ? Can you run haret on it ?
On handhelds.org it's mentioned that a guy named Kevin has modded the source code of haret for the MSM7500 chip. It's not working yet (internals of the chip is unknown), only the CPU gets detected. (more info: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET)
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As per the comment above, I definitely think it is based on the carrier.
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HSUPA is mostly being trialled by carriers. Most are still absorbing HSDPA.
Hey - Im a nubee and I was wandering if any of you can help with what you estimate the cost of the Qualcomm MSM7200 SOC to be. Its very impressive!
We are starting a new design and could be interseting.
Shadowmite said:
Wrong, on most phones you are correct, they have a cpu and the seperate communications processor. But the kaiser is unique in using the communications processor as the primary CPU for the entire device. So unless there is a seperate arm core (dual core?) inside it, how is it running both linux and wm?
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It still has a seperate communications processor, it's just in the same chip as opposed to a seperate package now. (See other comments).
I think it's something like 400 MHz ARM11 for applications, 274MHz ARM9 for comms.
Android on kaiser?
Lets start an effort to try to run Android on kaiser? I am sure it will be a huge task, but lets give it a shot.
I am not an embedded system expert, but I am sure we can get people to help us, maybe from the google team once we get serious.
Related
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=43822&highlight=keyboard
Is there any current way to perform this kind of tweak for the Wizard? I've just spent 20 mins searching but couldn't find anything related
Cheers!
nope
I have to say, despite it's nice design I'm really starting to get irritated with my Vario now... The processor is uber-slow compared to all other HTC devices, it's not tweakable anywhere near the amount the others are, it has an OMAP processor and thus won't be possible to run Linux etc on it.
I think even after 2 months it's time to look at a new device
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it has an OMAP processor and thus won't be possible to run Linux etc on it.
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That's bull**** - the first (?) Linux smartphone from imcosys runs the TI OMAP 730 with embedded Linux;
http://www.imcosys.com/html/technische_daten.html
It's just a matter of people actually doing the work to port the O/S. Personally I think people who want to run Linux on Device X should just get Device Y which runs it natively - less work, and you support a company that already readily supports Linux on Device X-alikes.
As far as CPU-speed goes, it appears to vary per-reviewer. Some say it's slower, others say it's faster. I guess it'll depend on what you're doing with it.
Not sure what you mean with regards to 'tweakable', though. The only 'tweak' I'm readily aware of that works on e.g. the HTC Universal but not on the HTC Wizard is the keyboard backlight. They both run WM5 and are tweakable to pretty much the same extent as far as the O/S and running software allows.
That said - I obviously rather like mine. -That- said, I can see myself moving to a different device 2-3 years down the road quite easily, especially with all the network upgrades -and- the speed at which new devices are coming out. Wouldn't be too surprised if they're all rather like smaller OQO's by that time.. handheld, good battery, running will Windows XP (probably not Vista yet - hardware specs for that thing are through the roof)
See my comments have all been based on various forums I've read, posted on and recieved replies from. Apparently the OMAP architecture is completely different from most other processors and so it's a niche market (meaning people won't bother with trying to do anything good such as Linux, major overhauls of software, overclocking software etc) - Even Anton Tomov's Hack Master software is having issues with the overclocking functionality and keeps getting pushed back and back and back some more.
I have to say I bought my Wizard (MDA Vario flavour) because the design is slick and it was pretty fast in the shop demonstration. I didn't realise that the second I put anything on it, it'd slow down so much.
I've reflashed it with the best and fastest current rom out there:-
VERSION
ROM Version 1.6.7.1
ROM Date 38624
Radio Version 01.13.10
Protocol Version 4.0.13.17
ExtROM Version 1.3.2.102
And although it's faster than the bloated T-Mobile crap that it comes with by default it's still slow (my today screen only has SPB Pocket Plus and Pocket Weather on it but it still chugs occasionally) and it's an absolute nightmare playing something as simple as Arkaball!
"tweakable" I class as something I can mess around with. With my Samsung T100 I completely replaced the casin with a clear casing, reconfigured everything including LED colour and created my own firmware for it etc. I basically like to try and be individual which is why I won't got for a device already running Linux etc.
Tech Knowledge + Gadgets + being a geek = wanting cool stuff
OQO looks nice but huge. I'm looking for a device I can use for business (running a QA department) and as a mobile. Shoulda got myself a P990i... lol
Here's a proposition for your thoughts... if everybody is customizing their device, then not customizing your device makes you more of an individual
That said - yes, if you want that manner of tweakability, you should've gone for a different device. I'm not sure why a Linux-preloaded one would be excluded from the get-go because you didn't put it on there yourself.. it certainly should open up tweaking possibilities.
Overclocking software for the OMAP does exist - and I'm sure AntonTomov will get one out eventually as the number of devices using the OMAP increases. I'm sure the XScale will still be #1 for some time to be with the recent pricedrops and announced speeds (1GHz - vroom).
However, just because it's a different architecture doesn't typically stop the person who go "But does it run Linux? it does now!" on e.g. Slashdot . Of course if Linux was on your mind from the get-go, a little googling around would've readily shown which devices run it natively and which have been successfully made to run it, to whatever extent, and should've based your purchasing decision on that
For what it's worth, the Treo 700w (650? - been a while) was on my list, but once in the shop with the device in my hand, I knew I would grow to hate the form factor within the first week.
ZeBoxx said:
the first (?) Linux smartphone from imcosys runs the TI OMAP 730 with embedded Linux;
http://www.imcosys.com/html/technische_daten.html
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There are many Linux phones already
http://openezx.org
but the ports to HTC Blueangel and HTC Universal
use more free software
You can also check Linux for OMAP page
http://focus.ti.com/docs/general/sp...mplatedata/cm/splashdsp/data/linux_com_portal
Correction... Everyone on this forum is customising their device... Most people in the real world buy a device and use it out of the box as they don't know or can't be bothered to upgrade it lol.
To be honest with you this is my first PPC device. Before this I was in a job where I didn't want or need the functions and features the PPC has and I had a K750i. Before that was a 7610 and before that a GX20.
I have to admit I was in the process of looking at PPC's when my K750i had an unfortunate incident where my fist went through the screen because it was crashing every 30 seconds... That's why I didn't research as much as I should have before getting my Wizard.
I've learned my lesson though and next time there'll be a LOT of research involved before I buy!
I'm assuming that individual hardware can't be replaced in the Wizard either? i.e. buying a faster processor/mobo etc? My mate's Universal had it's mobo replaced so maybe...
1Gb? Mmmm....
Treo 700w is nice but it was the 990i I meant to say (I updfated it when I realised what I posted lol)
ZeBoxx said:
I'm not sure why a Linux-preloaded one would be excluded from the get-go because you didn't put it on there yourself.. it certainly should open up tweaking possibilities.
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"running Linux" != running free software platform.
Compare Motorola A780 and HTC Blueangel/Universal.
well, I did say "should". I didn't say it would come with a CD with all the source code on it ready for compilation
We're getting way, way off-topic anyway. Keyboard/button backlights tweaks are as of yet non-existant. Chances are you can tweak it by modifying the driver - but nobody's confirmed or done so. Worst case scenario is that it's all in hardware. For the specific tweak mentioned - no, because the Wizard doesn't have a light sensor. Arguably you could start up the camera ever once in a while and check lighting that way, but it wouldn't be very accurate
Where can I look/read what kind of GPS Chip run in my diamond?
Is it true thats two different chips have been build-in?
Does nobody know this information?
you should've checked the wiki before posting
anyways, the chipset is Qualcomm's gpsOne
where did you get the idea of two chips from?
blufade said:
you should've checked the wiki before posting
anyways, the chipset is Qualcomm's gpsOne
where did you get the idea of two chips from?
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Shure - I ve checked wiki and another blogs and I know this information about Qualcomm, thx.
But I wanne know where I can read in my diamond what kind of chip I have.
I´ve read it in a another forum (about 2 versions of chip´s) and I think that was the answer why first Diomonds release work with bad Sat fix and newest edition work´s fine.
on your diamon huh ?...from what i know, neither winmo nor the htc manual reports any info regarding the gps chip, plus i've never come across any s/w that could read gps specifications directly, have you checked out the htc repair maual, actually it has pretty much all info regarding the hardware.
i don't know if htc would alter the gps chip, maybe its just that the newer diamonds come with a better radio s/w...
Hi,
First, some background informations (skip this if you don't care) : as a Touch HD owner and java developer, I tried to develop some J2ME GUI, with 3D, etc...But the embedded JVM (Esmertec) is really terrible : poor performances, buggy (ellipse drawing function)... unusable for (let's say) 3D GUI
Looking at the MSM7201, I saw that this processor include Jazelle technology, allowing to execute java bytecode "on-the-chip" (so, hopefully, really fast). But I guess that the included Esmertec JVM doesn't use it (maybe Esmertec didn't buy the license to ARM).
In a wonderful world, Sun would have provided an optimized Jazelle-enabled JVM for WM but... it's a cruel world.
Looking at Jazelle pages at http://www.arm.com/markets/mobile_solutions/armpp/21938.html, I saw that the BenQ E72 is
WM6.1
has a Jazelle JVM
So I'm starting to hope... Is it possible to dump the BenQ E72 ROM, get the JVM and use it on the Touch HD ?
After all, on the processor side... it's compatible ! And the graphic part is surely implemented through WM API.
Other recent phone using jazelle technology is listed in the right column at http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/java/jazelle.html
Any thought is welcomed...
Wow, this sounds very interesting.
exciting and really interesting...
Hoping it will fix our problems with Java-Esmertec...
Mate, Jazelle is for ARM processors.
HTC is using Qualcomm platform and I don't think any Jazelle HW is included.
Where have you seen that?
sosojerk said:
Mate, Jazelle is for ARM processors.
HTC is using Qualcomm platform and I don't think any Jazelle HW is included.
Where have you seen that?
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But the MSM7xxx are ARM...
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Mate, Jazelle is for ARM processors.
HTC is using Qualcomm platform and I don't think any Jazelle HW is included.
Where have you seen that?
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its ARM processor..
hi????
hi ,this is
The sad thing is there is no proper Java (both ME and SE) support for Windows Mobile. Esmertec is the best you can have - its the only supporting M3G but only in software mode. You can easily forget JSR239 (OpenGL ES) support on WM. This would be technically possible with J9 because it supports JNI. You could try to port JOGL or LWGL for J9 but it takes time.
You can try MySaifu - it is in its early stages (for a long time now ) and it tries to be full Java SE JVM with hw accelerated Java3D. But it is very unstable and you propably will encounter many problems with running simple Hello World for it.
On the bright side the JavaFX virtual machine based on HotSpot recently hit WM. It will have support for hardware acceleration and currently you can run midlets on it in software.
I did not try hard but quick google search on BenQ E72 does not confirm that it has JVM with Jazelle support. The link you provided also does not confirm this. Sorry for destroying your hopes.
Someone knows if exist a software that let our android powered phone compatible and working with ANT+ Technology?
for the pwople that doesn't know here the link http://www.thisisant.com/technology
Is a new protocol of communication data that is starting to be used in a lot of sport oriented devices, as the device for cycling. Exists something similira to this for the iphone.
From what I've found ANT+ is a proprietary standard. An industry-wide competitor is being flushed out in the 'Bluetooth Low Energy' protocol.
I'm thinking the first question before software is whether the 2.4Ghz bluetooth antenna in the G1 is compatible. I'm assuming not.
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From what I've found ANT+ is a proprietary standard. An industry-wide competitor is being flushed out in the 'Bluetooth Low Energy' protocol.
I'm thinking the first question before software is whether the 2.4Ghz bluetooth antenna in the G1 is compatible. I'm assuming not.
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I saw a software with an hardware that is working perfectly with iphone.
http://www.smheartlink.com/
http://www.smheartlink.com/products.html
That's why i asked. But the 2.4 ghz is not a wifi technology that can be used with the wifi receiver?
Thank you for your information.
I'd also dearly love to see an Android app that is ANT+ interoperable, even if additional hardware is required (as with the iPhone).
I'm sure there's bunches of Android users out there with Garmin heart rate monitors, etc. that would love to be able to use our phones as one-stop phone-music-podcast-gps-heartrate devices.
As a new user, I can't post links yet, but you can find tons of iPhone-and-ANT+ examples if you google ANT+ iPhone.
As seen here (the legend in this case), phones containing the WiLink chipset. ANT+ is now integrated into Android phones with the Texas Instruments WiLink™ chip.
I too use my phone almost daily for multi-sport activities, and would like to see my cadence, Heart Rate, ect recorded along with the speed and location. If anyone has more info, please share!
Does anyone kow of a list of phones from HTC that have the WiLink chip?
HTC models with TI WiLink chip for ANT+
Here's a list of current HTC models which use the TI WiLink 6.0 chip. Via HTC's main office in Taipei:
"These are the phones that use Texas Instruments Chip Set. Probably they also use this chip for WLAN but nothing we can guarantee. P3400i P3470 P3401 P3400 P3301 P4350 P3300 p4300 p4351 s621 s320 S710 S620 S310 s411 Ted Baker Touch Touch 3G Touch Viva rest of our phones using the Qualcomm processor."
As you can see, no Android models are listed. Bad news for those of us hopeful for switching on ANT+ connectivity.
The press releases surrounding the Tour de France project which used HTC Legends contain incorrect statements. The Legends used were said to be "Off-the-shelf" models which had a special firmware update to activate the ANT+ connectivity of TI WiLink processors.
HTC Legends off-the-shelf use a Qualcomm processor, not Texas Instruments. The HTC Legends used in the TdF had TI WiLink chipsets onboard. How that was so is a mystery.
Motorola Droid and Droid X use TI WiLink 6.0 and 7.0 processors, respectively. The 7.0 chip is ANT+ ready and just needs an app, which there are currently none in the Market.
The code that were used during TDF was this
http://code.google.com/r/sandordornbush-release/source/browse/
I would love to have ANT+ in my android phone
Sthlm said:
Here's a list of current HTC models which use the TI WiLink 6.0 chip. Via HTC's main office in Taipei:
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you got it all wrong
those models use the TI CPU, TI OMAP to be exact
don't you see the difference between CPU and I/O controller chip?..
@GenT,
The information I posted was directly cut and pasted from correspondence with HTC. I am not a hardware expert and wouldn't know if the information/terminology supplied to me was consistent or not.
What I want is an ANT+ compatible Android device like the HTC Legends used by team HTC Columbia in this years Tour de France. I went on a mission to find out which HTC models were capable based on press releases from ANT+ and Texas Instruments. Statements in those press releases were inconsistent with HTC's current Android model specs on their website. This led me to contact various departments within HTC for answers.
According to email I received from HTC, the Legends used in the TdF had one-off hardware modifications using TI's WiLink chipsets, and are not available to consumers just yet.
Bottom line, HTC said consumer-ready ANT+ connectivity solutions do not exist for their current Android lineup.
Sent from my OD 4.0.36 modded HTC Desire using XDA App
BT and ANT+ Sensor Tech in Mobile Phones Today
I've written a blog post to cover all I could dig up on this subject as it currently stands today. "BT and ANT+ Sensor Tech in Mobile Phones Today"
Thanks,
David
Hello.
I am sorry I could not post on the development thread. this is my first post. I have been checking the TI developer site and noticed that they just posted an official android Froyo devkit available for download. the link is:
software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_tii/TI_Android_DevKit/02_02_00/index_FDS.html
and the documentation is at:
/processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/TI-Android-FroYo-DevKit-V2.2_UserGuide
The source code is included and has new drivers for the SGX chip and a devkit for the WL1271 including bluetooth stack.
Also the kit include drivers for the DSP for video decoding and Flash acceleration in android.
I think this could be good to allow update to nookie froyo. I am in the process of testing the release on an OMAP 3530 dev board and will let you know.
Wow this could be just what we need!!!
Plus maybe the CM7 folk can port this over to gingerbread and deeperblue to honeycomb then we can have a true daily driver tablet as I believe these were the rate limiting steps!!!
Canadoc said:
Wow this could be just what we need!!!
Plus maybe the CM7 folk can port this over to gingerbread and deeperblue to honeycomb then we can have a true daily driver tablet as I believe these were the rate limiting steps!!!
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Kind of neat how these things pop up...
Glad to be on board with the Nook!
Fifcic said:
Hello.
I am sorry I could not post on the development thread. this is my first post. I have been checking the TI developer site and noticed that they just posted an official android Froyo devkit available for download. the link is:
software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_tii/TI_Android_DevKit/02_02_00/index_FDS.html
and the documentation is at:
/processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/TI-Android-FroYo-DevKit-V2.2_UserGuide
The source code is included and has new drivers for the SGX chip and a devkit for the WL1271 including bluetooth stack.
Also the kit include drivers for the DSP for video decoding and Flash acceleration in android.
I think this could be good to allow update to nookie froyo. I am in the process of testing the release on an OMAP 3530 dev board and will let you know.
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Lack of OMAP36xx as supported platform (read: NC) by this release is kinda disconcerting...
Thanks for posting. I'll take a look when I get home.
aludal said:
Lack of OMAP36xx as supported platform (read: NC) by this release is kinda disconcerting...
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The thing to understand is that all the OMAP 3 serires share the same software register interface. the part numbering is based on generation and intended market:
OMAP34xx: High Volume ODM 65nm
OMAP35xx: Embedded Low volume customers (same features as OMAP34xx)
OMAP36xx: High Volume ODM 45nm (Higher clock speed, SGX double clock speed)
AM37xx and DM 37xx: Embedded low volume customers (same features as OMAP36xx)
if you look at the release. this is intended for non ODM customers and enthousiasts access to the SDK they provide to their high volume customer. this is why the OMAP 34and 36 are not mentioned. TI provides them different SDK. the important part is that this provides a stable hardware accelerated kernel with drivers to the comunity.
the OMAP 3621 is an OMAP 3630 nutered. it has the same core but the pins to support pop memory and camera interface are not conected. It is still very powerfull as it still has the DSP and SGX core inside.
I hope this helps.
Thanks for the info - looking at it, and i do see things like the OMAP3630 stuff in there, so this may every well be a useable Kernel for Froyo. Hot damn, maybe i will try my hand at compiling again (or if we are more lucky, dalingrin will find useful stuff, and really knock our socks off. )
Fifcic said:
The thing to understand is that all the OMAP 3 serires share the same software register interface. the part numbering is based on generation and intended market:
OMAP34xx: High Volume ODM 65nm
OMAP35xx: Embedded Low volume customers (same features as OMAP34xx)
OMAP36xx: High Volume ODM 45nm (Higher clock speed, SGX double clock speed)
AM37xx and DM 37xx: Embedded low volume customers (same features as OMAP36xx)
if you look at the release. this is intended for non ODM customers and enthousiasts access to the SDK they provide to their high volume customer. this is why the OMAP 34and 36 are not mentioned. TI provides them different SDK. the important part is that this provides a stable hardware accelerated kernel with drivers to the comunity.
the OMAP 3621 is an OMAP 3630 nutered. it has the same core but the pins to support pop memory and camera interface are not conected. It is still very powerfull as it still has the DSP and SGX core inside.
I hope this helps.
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Updated drivers/dsp, updated linux kernel and bluetooth stack! This should really make for some interesting progress with nookie froyo, BT support, CM7 and possibly even the honeycomb builds
Assuming this kernel can be made to work, yes, it should really help. Some of the thing that i was looking for that are in the eclair kernel are missing (some of the OMAP stuff specific to our hardware), though, it may be a case of taking them and dropping them in. Either way, i hope this help, as i am dying to see our hardware put to better use.
Shouldn't this be in the development thread?
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Shouldn't this be in the development thread?
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Fifcic said:
Hello.
I am sorry I could not post on the development thread. this is my first post.
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Yes, but new people to the forum can't post in Dev subforum until we have 10 posts.
Somebody had linked to this thread in the Dev forum, and for some reason, the mods closed it. OK, maybe we don't need two threads, but this really should be in the dev forum. It will get more attention there, and will hopefully be seen by those who need to see it..
I linked it as i thought more devs would see it there. Got a slightly rude post in reply that devs read both so.....
Indeed, i saw that, and it was uncalled for. Fact is, this is a dev thread, and should be there. Yes, a dev MAY read this forum, but truly, I don't expect them to, and things like this need to be as visible as possible - this is not the forum for that.
So.. any actual dev care to give feedback on the usefulness of this package, or are all the dev's handing out in just the dev forum still?