Is it possible to have touch-flo working on our wm6 himalaya
the other devices apart from touch
dont seem to be able to get it working as it does on touch
so i would not count on it
but few components of touch flo seems work.
I think at first we need fix gprs trouble.
yeah but from what i understand they need to use some hardware button to activate some of the flo
which the touch people dont
what i'm intresting in is if wm6 will give better bluetooth a2dp for himalaya
doubt it though :S
sorry for offtop
wm6 give at least Bluetooth PAN over MS drivers.
Rudegar said:
what i'm intresting in is if wm6 will give better bluetooth a2dp for himalaya
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Works flawlessly with 400 MHz.
Much better than WM 5.0 on my StarTrec headphone.
Sascha
would the touchflo on blue angel would work on himalaya?
Where can one download touchflo??
I want to try it out!
Im looking for this file: Touch Flo (Alpha).zip
Will it work on HIma??
Thanks guys!!!!
recall a link here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326523&page=6
Touch Flo Alpha - not working on Hima
I must hard reset.
divocak said:
Touch Flo Alpha - not working on Hima
I must hard reset.
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Yes i also confirm this. It isnt working.. my device is now freezed on boot screen.. hard resetting it...
from what i've picked up in forums for trinity and hermes then
the touch flo require a special screen dll
all devices have that dll but the touchs is different
and they all seem spc to the device so one cant just move the dll from touch to another device
well that is to say one cant move the dll from touch to another device yet!
When you search Youtube for Touchflo, you get a whole bunch of clips from all kinds of HTC devices running Touchflo quite well. Some do use buttons (who cares?) with touch screen finger touch mode, others seem not to touch any hardware buttons at all. In all cases they're able to access anything on screen without ever grabbing a stylus.
Although I've not yet been able to taste this kinda success on my Hima, it gives me good hope that soon enough it'll be available to us as well.
In HELMI_C addon2 is touchflo version which i can install (and mustn´t hard resert). But i can´t run it - some problem with certificate.
divocak said:
In HELMI_C addon2 is touchflo version which i can install (and mustn´t hard resert). But i can´t run it - some problem with certificate.
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I hope u don't mind, I will post this in the main thread for the Tofclock ROM here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1499747&posted=1#post1499747
We might have a solution.
tofclock wm6 rom all installed ok....(with tochtest.cab app from addon2)
touchflo opens in bits... (goto programs then touchflo) theres separate apps for each screen...makes sense..
what dosnt work at all is the task bar button at the bottom,... comes up with "cannot be opened. either it is not a trusted certificate, or one of its components cannot be found....try reinsalling ect..."
in the top left of the error window it has ' " ' ..what is it trying to open???
ive trailed through all the settings but theres nothing to configure for this,,, id would be amazing to get this working like the 'touch' phone...
anyone any ideas????
neoknowles said:
tofclock wm6 rom all installed ok....(with tochtest.cab app from addon2)
touchflo opens in bits... (goto programs then touchflo) theres separate apps for each screen...makes sense..
what dosnt work at all is the task bar button at the bottom,... comes up with "cannot be opened. either it is not a trusted certificate, or one of its components cannot be found....try reinsalling ect..."
in the top left of the error window it has ' " ' ..what is it trying to open???
ive trailed through all the settings but theres nothing to configure for this,,, id would be amazing to get this working like the 'touch' phone...
anyone any ideas????
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Got the same problem.
Got the same message today from another taskbar button. I downloaded the test version of Pocket Hack Master today. I uninstalled it also for several other issues a.o. that it wants to constantly run at the highest turbo speed, telling me that CPU load is 100%, while I want to underclock to expand battery life.
But the same message from unrelated taskbar buttons sounds like we found another bug in the ROM. HTC and Anton Topov both spread their software with trusted certificates I assume. And I checked, there was nothing wrong with the startup shortcut of PHM as you probably checked for Touchflo.
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Hi,
Since Hermes and Wizard, alongside general information and development & hacking, are starting TouchFLO topics I created this one.
Allthough much work has to be done, at least the TouchFLO theme is available for WM 6 users. Since we don't have that I wonder if it somehow can be made available for WM 5 users like us.
grtx
The only thing working on my BA is the .tsk file for the dark theme.
The today plugin won't work because it's made for wm6 using the wm6 sdk (duh!).
UPDATE:
I got the dialer and wireless/connection manager running on my BA!
The problem that I lost all sounds/mic on my device. The connmanager works and the phone make calls. But I can't hear anything and nobody can hear me. There is no beeps from the fone or anysound from programs. The solution I've found is hard-reset. I'll keep trying.
You can download the files from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311225
The today plugin still not working.
Ok, the dialer works but smartdialing stops working after first call.
The problem with no sounds from the phone is with the connmanager. Do not install it unless you want your device to be totally silent.
I have installed both the Comm manager and dialer and I have no sound issues, all my sounds work fine!
same here, no problems with the sound.
I do have the smardial problem though.
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I have installed both the Comm manager and dialer and I have no sound issues, all my sounds work fine!
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No problems here either
Wisbar theme
Is there a black wm6 theme that will work with Wisbar 3?
I cant find one...
I will try the conn manager again (which version are you guys using?).
for the wm6 black theme for wisbar, I'm using this one: http://lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9264
touchflo ui will never be available in WM5, also it depends on the HTC touch touscreen driver, if simeone post a hacked one it will be available on the other wm6 devices, but for now no other than HTC Touch Has it. The theme and comm manager and smartdialing work just fine with my rom (slows the device a lot but work,you can not open the options of smart dialing), home today plugin is not compatible with WM5
everyone is crazy about htc touch, if you want it that bad just buy it
also not mentioned things in touch rom are the new windows live messenger (10.6.00.28.2700) and the new arcsoft mms 4.0.31.21) IA Zip(1.20.27526.0), Smart Dialing(2.5.27526.0), Sim Manager(6.13), Sim Access Profile, Adobe Reader LE, HTC Audio Manager, HTC Audio Today Plugin, (ported them all to wm5, and will include them in my next rom or as cabs). All of you are crazy about the gui stuff (which is not working well in wm5) but forget the important things
The today plugin would be nice but not really necessary. The comm manager have a better aparence and so the dialer.
My dialer displays the options for smart dialing but the problem is after I make or receive a call smart dialing will stop working so I need so softreset it.
As for the cube flip thing I'm not interest in it.
Basically I like the gray color scheme, the way comm manager looks and the dialer. The today plugin I got a mokup working with rltoday but it was too slow to change pages as it uses mortscript to replate the rltoday config file and reload the app.
Yoz
I actually sold one of my BAs march 06 and got a wizard nib. You're missing out on a lot of sweet new items on wm6.. heres a shot of the htc touch in action
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also not mentioned things in touch rom are the new windows live messenger (10.6.00.28.2700) and the new arcsoft mms 4.0.31.21) IA Zip(1.20.27526.0), Smart Dialing(2.5.27526.0), Sim Manager(6.13), Sim Access Profile, Adobe Reader LE, HTC Audio Manager, HTC Audio Today Plugin, (ported them all to wm5, and will include them in my next rom or as cabs). All of you are crazy about the gui stuff (which is not working well in wm5) but forget the important things
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I will be looking forward your next release. What I'm saying about the touch ui it's just about the colors and visuals. If it's possible to change the colors from our current conn manager and have the dial pad like the touch one (bigger keypad) that would be nice.
As far buying the "touch" it's not a possibility right now ($) and the only reason I have the BA is because a friend gave it to me.
xplode said:
touchflo ui will never be available in WM5, also it depends on the HTC touch touscreen driver, if simeone post a hacked one it will be available on the other wm6 devices, but for now no other than HTC Touch Has it. The theme and comm manager and smartdialing work just fine with my rom (slows the device a lot but work,you can not open the options of smart dialing), home today plugin is not compatible with WM5
everyone is crazy about htc touch, if you want it that bad just buy it
also not mentioned things in touch rom are the new windows live messenger (10.6.00.28.2700) and the new arcsoft mms 4.0.31.21) IA Zip(1.20.27526.0), Smart Dialing(2.5.27526.0), Sim Manager(6.13), Sim Access Profile, Adobe Reader LE, HTC Audio Manager, HTC Audio Today Plugin, (ported them all to wm5, and will include them in my next rom or as cabs). All of you are crazy about the gui stuff (which is not working well in wm5) but forget the important things
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I know it is sort of GUI, but when Helmis WM6 ROM comes out (thanks so much Helmi), will it be possible to port the actual touchFLO interface where you dont need a stylus to read email and suchlike to the BA in WM6?
thanks,
hardingt0110
When that ROM comes out the possibilities will be the same as for other devices running WM6 so search other forum sections where available touch apps are discussed. As for the stylusless inbox control I believe the hardware upgrade would be required for its proper work.
Wexx said:
When that ROM comes out the possibilities will be the same as for other devices running WM6 so search other forum sections where available touch apps are discussed. As for the stylusless inbox control I believe the hardware upgrade would be required for its proper work.
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I cant find anything usable in other threads, they're just speculating on whether the BIOCUBE will work. Can anyone provide a cab, or some other form of installing it (this is assuming we are using Helmi's WM6 BA ROM)?
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Is there a black wm6 theme that will work with Wisbar 3?
I cant find one...
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there's quite a few actually
chk out the Lakeridgesoftware website in the forums they have a skins and themes section that has qwuite a few for free download, just make sure you get a QVGA version.
Also a quick google search for "4PDA.ru wisbar" will give you a russian site that has quite a few on there that aren't on the lakeridge site, and a efw that are. =)
enjoy
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there's quite a few actually
chk out the Lakeridgesoftware website in the forums they have a skins and themes section that has qwuite a few for free download, just make sure you get a QVGA version.
Also a quick google search for "4PDA.ru wisbar" will give you a russian site that has quite a few on there that aren't on the lakeridge site, and a efw that are. =)
enjoy
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Yes, I dont actually care now cos helmi has made a wm6 rom for the ba, but thanks anyways!
Anyone heard if this is possible?
Hmmm...I'm interested in that too!
I saw a repack of the requisite files floating around elsewhere - I might give installing it a shot and see what happens.
Worst case is it hard resets my device or shoots freaking laserbeams across the house, hitting my brother's girlfriend, which at the moment I would consider a useful feature...
culd some one post a picture of it running on treo 750 ?
what means touchflo? .. give me link or explanation.. thx
vasek said:
what means touchflo? .. give me link or explanation.. thx
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check out the HTC Touch
I think with the touchflo interface, the 750v would be near perfect!
That being the case, gimme it please
Simmiter....if you get hold of it and make it work...can you post a few pics and give a comment on your expedition?
Cheers
motorwayne
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Anyone heard if this is possible?
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I went ahead and install the 5 tab htc today plugin and played around with it. Their seems to be a stability problem as the treo now would randomly reboot itself. I tried installing it after a hard reset and it seems okay but started rebooting again after installing my apps. got rid of it for now... hehe
just installed the 6 tab htc home no trouble so far awaiting the probs though
hey guys i heard that the 3 tab works with our 750...i heard it somewhere in the touch threads...btw id we install it, with a simple uninstall and a soft reset, will it get everything back to normal??? or a hard reset is what we have to do to get it normal again...btw where are you guys d/l'ing the touchflo for the 750 from???links please...
hey I have actually installed it on my Treo its loads with no probs. However there are a couple of conflicts like not being able to access the dial pad or call log via the call button. I have even experienced this error while clicking on call log or dial pad. After a little research I found it to be a conflict between the htc home and palm software. Simply clinkin on the left hand corner to initiate the x button pop up I can then click on both the call log as well as the dial pad with out a problem. As for the touch flo cube it does not fit the entire screen, I assume this to be just be the treos 240x240 screen. I also noticed the cube to be slow in it's revolving. If we can get past the conflicts and adapt the program to the treo's screen its possible we might even get it to run as smooth as it does on the artemis. I am shocked at the few interested in advancing such a feature on the treo. I am sure once the cooked roms start to surface we can truly unlock the power of the device.
which touchflo program did you load and where did you get it?
Issues...
Another issue with the Touch Flo Home on the Treo 750, is that the green and red button don't work correctly anymore...
Normally, when you press the red button, the device go to sleep mode, that don't work anymore...
When you press the green button, you don't have the menu with the last call...
That's very annoying for my part...
So I uninstall the Touch Flo Home. Try with the Kaiser's Version and have the same issue...
Touchflo on the Treo 750
Does anyone know how to contact PDAViet? He would be our best option. He may be kind enough to make a rom for the 750 ?? Holding my breath ...
TouchFLO and HTCHome are two very different things.
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TouchFLO and HTCHome are two very different things.
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Can someone send me the File for both TouchFLO or HTCHome? Thanks.
I'd like the link to the CABs of the Touchflo and/or HTC Home that anyone has working on the 750.
Thanks in advance.
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Another issue with the Touch Flo Home on the Treo 750, is that the green and red button don't work correctly anymore...
Normally, when you press the red button, the device go to sleep mode, that don't work anymore...
When you press the green button, you don't have the menu with the last call...
That's very annoying for my part...
So I uninstall the Touch Flo Home. Try with the Kaiser's Version and have the same issue...
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I installed the 6 Button Kaiser HTC home plugin on my Treo 750 and have no problems with it @ all. As for the green and the Red buttons, all u have to do is add the "Dial Lookup" to the Today screen and the green and red buttons will work perfectly.
HTC Home and TouchFlo are 2 totally different things. HTC Home is the Today Screen plug-in, TouchFlo is the 3D cube, finger scrolling etc which was 1st introduced in the HTC Touch phone.
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I'd like the link to the CABs of the Touchflo and/or HTC Home that anyone has working on the 750.
Thanks in advance.
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HTC Home
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=327646&highlight=6+tab+htc+home
HTC TouchFlo is not as easy as just a cab to install. TouchFlo needs to update files on the device that can't be changed will the OS is running, n that's why TouchFlo has to be cooked in the ROM
Ok....
With Dial Lookup checked, the red and green buttons work! Thanks for that.
The problem now is that there is wasted screen real estate below the Kaiser plugin for the network carrier logo.
Hidelogo causes resets so don't bother.
and if you try to type contacts by name they go off the bottom of the screen. is there a way to use the screen better?
More shortly, has bothered me touch a cube, and here scrolling worthy alternative I have not found it. Here has decided to leave only scrolling.
It is simple HTC Scrolling (the library is taken from the latest insertion Elf).
Only for WM6.
Now also with a sound.
Can anyone report that this cab works?
I checked, works as in HTC Touch.
well...it crashed my Hermes and i need to hard reset it....=_=
berwick said:
well...it crashed my Hermes and i need to hard reset it....=_=
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I tested on Herald
Aserg it works with wizard thanks. But the touch scroll feeling is not as good as it is in touch enabled rom.
Thanks, i made thread for you in the wizard forum do check HERE
How to increase sensitivity of the screen? It is possible to try to change value in the register, for example, up to 3000:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \Drivers \TouchPanel \ PressureThreshold = 9812
If you will pick up correct value, it is possible to make separate cab for wizard
For wizard try with such value if sensitivity will be good I shall make separate cab.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\TouchPanel]
"PressureThreshold"=dword:2dc1
Can someone describe what exacly it does?? Is this app work like efrost's FTouchFlo???
It is taken from HTC TouchFlo.
Works on HTC Artemis (o2 Orbit)
Increase in sensitivity TouchPanel (It would be good to pick up for each device):
thanks very much now where can i find a rom without touch setting? seems all of th eroms that have been release is touch based
i crossed my fingers and try'it on my HTC Titan. And it did not work. touch screen stop working, so i remove the app and all was normal after. well was nice to try ;-)
Now also with a sound.
Thank you so much for this. Seems to work perfectly on my wing.
It would be good to leave here the responses. The information would be very useful to others.
ASerg, with sound it is working much better.Thanks Again.
ASerg said:
It would be good to leave here the responses. The information would be very useful to others.
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Well... Tried it on my Herald (the last version with the sound). Didn`t like it - it`s too slow, i mean the reaction of the prog for the finger scrolling. Also, sometimes, it confuses scrolling directions and starts up really late (like 2-3 sec after opening and start scrolling Contacts, i.e.). But I liked the sound, it`s very useful for blind scrolling - in car, i.e..
Deleted, and went back to FtouchFlo.
How to uninstall it
Hello,
I'm using SPB Pocket Plus for scrolling and it does not work very well with your "HTC Scrolling" application.
It is possible to uninstall it ? If so - how ?
I cant find a rom that has a touch flow cube. I want the black diamond rom for my wizard to work with herald. I love that rom!!
There are many ROMs here. Usually the ones that aren't labeled "lite" "slim" or "clean" have the cube but the cube has to enabled.
cube
ive tried several roms and I got one that lete enable the cube, but I dont know how to invoke it. On my wizard i invoked it by setting it to a button. Im lost.
The WM6.1 ROM's don't have it.... :-/
well i don't know, i do kinda use it a llllot with the WM6 ROM's...
You have to set it up. You can set it to use a button or a gesture. I find it utterly useless, so I'm not the expert on it.
I didn't flash one yet... I was just assuming since the 3 here all said Touch Flo No Cube...hmm...maybe I won't miss the cube after all!!
I mostly use it for the photo dialer.. haha... i have like 18 "faves" now
Oh...ttran released Open Touch v3.0 Biggy has a cube..i think..
how interesting..........
Touch-It 4.41, which is better, has a Cube.
Worked for me and most everyone else whose tried it. Apparently the problem is his and not the software's.
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thats strange, for my wing, when i go into the settings, it just has a half a box, and i cant click it.... i think it may have to do with that x button cab i had to install.
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If you installed that X Button FIX then yeah it creates a useless Icon in the programs called TF Settings.
That IS THE SOLUTION! IF YOU DONT LIKE IT GET THE HELL RID OF IT!
This has been said several time now in the forums!
mv3 said:
The WM6.1 ROM's don't have it.... :-/
well i don't know, i do kinda use it a llllot with the WM6 ROM's...
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Well you know the cube makes your Device SOOOOOO Sloww!!
And you allready have a applaucher in the HTC Home Plug so why cube ?
well... it doesnt seem to slow down my phone.. i also have the sprint home plug-in. i like having the 2nd app launcher and photodialer.. and sometimes way more faster than going back to the today screen and having to focus on which tab, then which shortcut to push. with the cube..i could be using whatever program i'm on..then with only 1 or 2 finger gestures, i'd be at the dialer or app launcher.windows mobile apps are known to run differently on same model phone and everybody has different tastes.. just cause i liked it doesnt mean you have to also.. and really, it didn't slow down performance for me... but activesync startig up in the background, hat slows mine down!
I started up this thread for any Kaiser user who uses, develops or does anything with Touch flo 3d Qvga (I Know there are other threads about these programs, this is to bring it into one place).
Posts on Applications, themes or anything for tf3d-qvga-3 and Touchflo 2d v 2.0 build 1919 is welcome!
Here is the kaiser D3D Driver.
If any Concerns Contact me at: [email protected]
I found a Standby App that shuts down TF3D when you power down:
Youtube App Also:
I thought Touch flo 3d doesn't work on Kaiser? Did someone get it working?
Dukenukemx said:
I thought Touch flo 3d doesn't work on Kaiser? Did someone get it working?
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It works, it just doesn't work very well. TF3D needs the HTC-Class Action drivers, which are incompatible with all ROMS running the 101MB RAM hack. In addition, even if it does work on your ROM, a bug with the drivers prevents the device from entering standby while TF3D was enabled. A mortscript was made to disable it when the device was suspended or going to suspend, but it still took awhile and sometimes didn't work at all. Then, it would resume TF3D after waking the device, which also took awhile and intermittently worked.
There was a thread awhile back here, which put all the information in one place, so check it out if you're interested. But the way I see it, until fully working ATI Imageon/MSM7200 drivers are released for our devices, TF3D is unusable. If you want something that works well though, try the newest Manila 2d from the HTC Mega, which has the flipping clock and some of the looks of TF3D without the problems, and with this installed, it looks pretty similar.
Last nite i managed to experiment and install TF3D! on my htc tytn II, i used Unholy's Gaming Rom which doesnt have 101 ram and has D3D Drivers built in, i have to say for stuff thats experimental it does work quite well, its responsive and looks fantastic, it does take a bit to initialise once u come out of standby/sleep, but other than that i had a total ram usage of 50% used, 50% free which wasnt too bad, i think a fully working TF3D for our Kaisers is not too far away, as long as development continues, big up to da guys who have made this possible!
The problem seems to be that the drivers are in terrible shape. Doesn't work with roms using 101MB ram hack, and it won't allow the phone to go into standby.
How different is the MSM7200 vs MSM7201A? If devices using the MSM7201A chipset can run Touch Flo 3D just fine, then why can't we just take the drivers from those devices?
If someone has some experience with hacking drivers, I bet you can get those drivers working. I bet someone from Beyond3D could do it.
Some Screenshots Of Manila 2D:
hi bj... thx for the threads...it work just nice on my kaiser...but still have problems with bat power n backlight....seems it auto manage them when bat almost out...
nommy76 said:
hi bj... thx for the threads...it work just nice on my kaiser...but still have problems with bat power n backlight....seems it auto manage them when bat almost out...
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Is This the standby program? if it is, the program doesnt like the backlight settings in. try turning them off. another way around this is to program one of the hardware keys to <none> then when the backlight turns off, push the button. it should turn the backlight back on.
it took me ages to find how to fix this problem. its painful but its worth it
Hope this Helps
Makes sense
here is a video of the new sense ui for htc touch 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDhnhrdYP0I
Background to all pages
Background for all tabs
I havent tested this yet...but here is the download
BG all pages
thx but after installed it, it doesn't work its ok i'll satisfied with my TF3D v3 now...the stand_by also work very well so now my bat last longer...hope i could post all the cab files n some images of my Kaiser...
TF3D on htc tyTn 11 Kaiser+S2U2+S2P
i take no credit just wanna share...
more images...
a few more images...
and the files...
still i'll take no credit for all these...really wanna share it...
take note these cabs/files are use on my kaiser and i don't know if it runs on others...used at your own risk...pls read the instructions first...cheers..
the files...
1. TF3D-QVGA_v3
2. NFSFAN Opera 9.5
3. htc audio manager by Swtos
4. htc Diamond album
5. TouchResponce v02_2
6. htc CA_Kaiser_Drivers
7. TouchPower & tf3dStandBy
8. M3D Lanscape
9. YoutubeQVGA
10. MortScript
11. Uzeb QVGA tf3d font patch (makes ur font a bit clearer)
12. No Curtains and Transparent bottom bar
13. Pamas Transparent Slider
14. MobileMatt CrystalClockWhite
15. S2U2-2.04QVGA
16. S2P-0.73betaQVGA
17. S2V-0.42QVGA (actually not working on my Kaiser, my bad to include this)
18. tPRO for S2P QVGA (theme that goes with TF3D)
Download the zip files at RapidShare from here..
and attached is standby in mortscript. (just extract all the files to your storage card)
...added fire charging phase; extract batteryg.png copy/paste and overwrites the png files to s2us folder in device/programfiles/S2U2
Screenshots!
Mate! love the screenshots it looks great! thanks for the links some there i didnt have.
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doesn't work on my device..
One thing i know about Manilla... be it 2D or 3D... is that it's never the same instaling it, or having it cooked in a rom.
You'll never have the same stabillity... functionality even.
We could, of course, have a cook try and give us one very simple 6.1 rom with manilla3D cooked in.... it would be nice... just as a proof of concept.
Laurentius26...think that was is nick, once attempted it...
Now... that developments which i'm NOT aware now, like KaiserGL, VG and such...
stability...
i guess its how you choose the right files to flash and how you flash it because i did noticed different owner with same device, manilas and ROM but getting different results...
Hi.
Which Rom are using??
i'm using stock ROM 3.29