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If anyone can help, I just need to know one thing before I get one of these.
How long does the battery last with direct mail on all the time using a 3G connection.
My Touch keeps it going for 2 days (at a push) on GPRS.
I dont think it can last that long.
I took off from the power source at 9.00 saturday morning and used couple of times for 3G internet browsing, trying configurations, browsing again. And was turned off during saturday evening.
When I back at home, Sunday 19:00, it was 9% left.
Btw, I dont use push mail and not always connected to 3G.
If you dont have GPS/constant GPRS connections active, then I'm fairly sure the life will be respectable once the battery is conditioned.
Currently, under heavy use mine lasts from 9am to about 11pm. The battery has only had three days of charging though, and wont be optimal just yet.
I think thats where the problem is going to be, if direct push keeps the data connection going all the time its going to last about 3 hours, maybe more with the screen off.
Anyone doing this on a daily basis? Its a shame 3G uses so much power, as I said GPRS/direct push can go almost 2 days on my Touch/Elf.
Might have to give this a miss then, which is a shame.
mattpark,
Interesting ... How to make it optimal then?
By fully charging it several times?
Or by connecting it to a power source all the time?
Thanks
gogol said:
mattpark,
Interesting ... How to make it optimal then?
By fully charging it several times?
Or by connecting it to a power source all the time?
Thanks
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The first...
Make sure you always charge the battery completely full (ie till the light comes on green) the first 5 to 10 times...
FULL means charging it double the time it takes for the light to become green. Green light means 90% (although indicators show 100%), and the last 10% takes the double the time to 'squeeze' in there
A battery has to 'set'.... So be sure you to follow this guide
Mt 8525 would last *most* of the day with direct push.
If I spoke on the phone more than a couple hours the batter would be dead or at least turning its self off by 5pm.
I'm wondering if the 8925 will be the same?
I purchased an extended battery which lets me use the phone all day.. but for a 3600 batter that's huge and requires a custom back it only lasts 2 days at best so far. I've been testing 2 weeks.
I may not get an extended battery because this huge backing is anoying and ruins the look of the phone. I love how the kaiser looks and would hate to ruin that. I would get an extended if it fit into the case itself.
Bottom line though I think an extended battery of some sort of absolutely required if you use push mail.. the only question is how long it will last.
Oh balls, Ive just bought one - So thats nokia e65, tytn1, htcs710, htc touch and tytn2 all inside 5 months!!
If you're concerned w/push email and less with web surfing, you can change the band the phone uses to plain GSM (EDGE) and that would allow you to use it for days at a time.
Using 3G/HSDPA, mine lasts from around 7AM to about 3PM with push constantly running and at least 2 hours of web surfing and about 1/2 hour of phone usage.
Hope that helps.
is it possible to disable 3g under configuration settings?, It is not really needed most of the time!
Disabling 3G
Go to Phone, settings, select band, i think choose GSM only, that should do it. There are some apps too that can do this for you on the TYTN.
your battery will go from 8-12 hrs to 24+, and thats w/ push email, i really couldn't care if a 16k email comes in 6 seconds or 2???
do you?
Battery life so far has been okay (only been using for about 2 days). I have direct PUSH activated but I am only using edge. I take a couple of calls per day + 10 min internet browsing. Battery is about 10-15% at 10 pm at night. My day starts around 9 am.
PS- just a reminder to uncheck the "receive incoming beams" in Settings menu if you don't use that function to save some battery life.
drunkm3nky said:
PS- just a reminder to uncheck the "receive incoming beams" in Settings menu if you don't use that function to save some battery life.
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There's no infrared support on this device, so I'm not sure if that option does anything. Strange that they kept the .cpl though (had assumed it was accidentally left in the as-yet-unfinished AT&T roms).
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If you don't want your data connection open all the time, try installing GBSoft's GPRS & Audio Tweak program. Get it here: http://www.gb-soft.cz/XDAII/product_gprs_tweak_wm5pe_en.htm
You can set it to turn off your GPRS connection every x minutes.
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rolandrat said:
If anyone can help, I just need to know one thing before I get one of these.
How long does the battery last with direct mail on all the time using a 3G connection.
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For the first week I was playing with the phone a lot, so battery was draining quickly. But last two days I've got easier, so after ~25 hours since disconnecting charger, I still have 57% battery left.
Generally, I think battery life would be more or less like Hermes' - ~2 days with 3G, and ~3 days with 2G-only.
eva_d said:
For the first week I was playing with the phone a lot, so battery was draining quickly. But last two days I've got easier, so after ~25 hours since disconnecting charger, I still have 57% battery left.
Generally, I think battery life would be more or less like Hermes' - ~2 days with 3G, and ~3 days with 2G-only.
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Do you have push email enabled all the time?
mlekas said:
There's no infrared support on this device, so I'm not sure if that option does anything. Strange that they kept the .cpl though (had assumed it was accidentally left in the as-yet-unfinished AT&T roms).
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It also applies on BT incoming transfers I think
ID64 said:
It also applies on BT incoming transfers I think
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Yes, it does.
pepeto2001 said:
Do you have push email enabled all the time?
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No, I don't use push e-mail. I've set up automatic e-mail checking every 15 minutes once, tough - but I got rid of it for now, as data connection stays open after checking email, which is not quite nice, regarding battery life...
Can I charge the battery using my old HTC Magician charger?
It has the same input and output (at least from what I read).
The reason that I want to use the HTC Magician charger because I live in NL (charger has 2 legs) and I bought the Kaiser from UK (charger has 3 legs).
Seen a lot of posts about battery but no real solution, still wandering if following normal ... I bought my Kaiser 1 month ago, had trouble with device, like some other here, when Kaiser just went dead, get it to service and back and now is working smoothly, but with a "small" problem.
Having battery charged full to 100%, after 3 hours of work on battery inclusive of 58 minutes talk it is down on 73% power only. Checked all posts but have not managed to figure out if it is normal. Taking information from booklet, should have available 420 minutes of talk time on GSM settings.
(according to my math after 3 hours of described usage, should have used 14-15% not almost 30%)
CHECKED ALL, NO BLUETOOTH ON, NO WIFI ON, NO G3, to the best of my knowledge, all battery eaters are off.
Any advice on settings...or back to service...which is bad solution as last time they returned it to me with wrong gsm setting and I have had to use net to ,find solution.
Thanks in advance
It's normal. For god's sake, what do you expect? A Nokia?
Suggestion: put the screen off while talking.
mrbandwidth said:
It's normal. For god's sake, what do you expect? A Nokia?
Suggestion: put the screen off while talking.
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Thanks man, screen is already off... what is that I expect...well ... what is in the booklet...nothing more, but , well... that must be a typo in all those materials they have produced to sell...
Nokia, whats that
Hi all,
just after I had my new Kaiser month agao I was collecting all kind of
software to fit my needs. And short after that I realized - my Kaiser sucks
the battery within hours
A battery tool that shows the temperature and the current showed me:
250 to 350 mA all the time. For a 1300mA/h battery this means 4 to 5 hours
or less.
The other day I removed all installed goodies - and surprise! Sometimes the
current drain was down to 10mA.
To make the story short: remove all timer software.They eat up your battery!
I had installed two of them! One to alert if park-tickets are expired and one
timer to remind me for meetings! Those little bastards apparently run in tight
loops, check the time constantly and use up the most power.
Power consumption is now low as 15mA in idle times.
good luck with your Kaiser / Tilt
wkm1
Hi!
so this would also apply to alarms set in Outlook for meetings? My meetings are often same time, same people every week, so better to not use alarms for those....
I think my Kaiser needs a charge every 36 hours......
Ofiaich
ofiaich said:
Hi!
so this would also apply to alarms set in Outlook for meetings? My meetings are often same time, same people every week, so better to not use alarms for those....
I think my Kaiser needs a charge every 36 hours......
Ofiaich
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No, I think you'll find he's only referring to third party apps not Windows Mobile functions themselves.
He has a good point. people in other threads have found many fancy Today screen apps (always running) that show memory usage, comms, and battery status are polling the equipment on a regular basis also using lots of battery power.
Thanks Farsquidge!
I will leave my Outlook as it is then !
I think my screen is quite simple as compared with some in the post your today screen thread !
Ofiaich
Possibly stating the obvious here but i never knew so here we go...
Change the settings so the data connection is not always on, and only connects when looking for email, web browsing etc.
Its doubled my battery life.
What tool did you use? I'd like to optimize my apps too.
wkm1 said:
Hi all,
just after I had my new Kaiser month agao I was collecting all kind of
software to fit my needs. And short after that I realized - my Kaiser sucks
the battery within hours
A battery tool that shows the temperature and the current showed me:
250 to 350 mA all the time. For a 1300mA/h battery this means 4 to 5 hours
or less.
The other day I removed all installed goodies - and surprise! Sometimes the
current drain was down to 10mA.
To make the story short: remove all timer software.They eat up your battery!
I had installed two of them! One to alert if park-tickets are expired and one
timer to remind me for meetings! Those little bastards apparently run in tight
loops, check the time constantly and use up the most power.
Power consumption is now low as 15mA in idle times.
good luck with your Kaiser / Tilt
wkm1
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[email protected] said:
What tool did you use? I'd like to optimize my apps too.
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And what battery life are people expecting. I have SPB's GPRS monitor installed and it is claiming I will get a little under 6 hours (which compares to 8 on my Hermes).
Schooleydoo said:
Possibly stating the obvious here but i never knew so here we go...
Change the settings so the data connection is not always on, and only connects when looking for email, web browsing etc.
Its doubled my battery life.
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I second this. I moved from direct push to polling every 10 minutes, and set the connection to drop after 30 seconds (annoying for browsing the web) and the phone loses less than 2% battery overnight.
Surur
how do you modify the internet connection to disconnect after a certain period of inactivity? i can't seem to figure it out.....
dmb129 said:
how do you modify the internet connection to disconnect after a certain period of inactivity? i can't seem to figure it out.....
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Use KaiserTweak. It's in a sticky.
do you have any idea where i could find the individual .cab for this function? rather than using KaiserTweak?
hi,
i tryed to "i guess disable the wifi hardware", and all animations in order to have a greater battery life (with kaiser tweak) , but my phone needs to be charged for 6 to 6 hours...
this phone has a battery problem, for sure, i hope someday, HTC solves this problem....
sorry about the english....
I had an alarm clock to ring every Saturday morning, on for the whole week...I took it off today, following this thread. It appears to have made a huge positive difference in the length of the battery! Many thanks for a good tip.
michalopoulosgk said:
I had an alarm clock to ring every Saturday morning, on for the whole week...I took it off today, following this thread. It appears to have made a huge positive difference in the length of the battery! Many thanks for a good tip.
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What alarm application did you use? I'll test it with mine the following days and let you know the result.
I had my office outlook active sync basically "always on". I just switched it to every 10 min during peak and every 30 min off peak. We'll see how much better that goes.
I've definitely noticed that keeping the wifi turned off until necessary helps a lot. I'm using Tmobile here in the US, so no 3G yet. I've been told that 3G sucks battery as well.
3G consumes more power. Use GSM network only.
start -> settings -> Phone -> Band Tab -> Select network type as GSM
wkm1 said:
Hi all,
just after I had my new Kaiser month agao I was collecting all kind of
software to fit my needs. And short after that I realized - my Kaiser sucks
the battery within hours
A battery tool that shows the temperature and the current showed me:
250 to 350 mA all the time. For a 1300mA/h battery this means 4 to 5 hours
or less.
wkm1
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Please let me know what battery tool...... want to check mu Tytn II too.... battery only lasts for HOURS!!!!
Many thanks,
Optimistisch_nl said:
Please let me know what battery tool...... want to check mu Tytn II too.... battery only lasts for HOURS!!!!
Many thanks,
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FYI, I had to return my Tytn2 yesterday. It lost 100% battery power within 4-5 hours. It was warm to the touch and when charging would become very hot. I put Batterystatus on and it read a draw of 300-400mA when idle. This was also after a Hard reset to check that nothing else I had added to the unit was causing it.
My replacement draws between 20-80mA when idle and 220-250mA when under load i.e. using Wi-Fi, browsing web etc. Battery went from 54% when I got it (1pm) to 26% by the time I went to bed at midnight last night
It sounds like you have a similar problem?
I've set 2 alarm applications to run last night: the alarm in Mortplayer and Pocket Wakeup.
I charged the battery to 100% before I went to sleep. In the morning, after about 6 hours of sleep, my battery meter showed 94%.
This gives an easy calculation of about 1% per hour (with those 2 alarms active).
I don't know if it makes a difference to uninstall the applications or just not using them in terms of battery usage. Anyone an idea?
smads said:
FYI, I had to return my Tytn2 yesterday. It lost 100% battery power within 4-5 hours. It was warm to the touch and when charging would become very hot. I put Batterystatus on and it read a draw of 300-400mA when idle. This was also after a Hard reset to check that nothing else I had added to the unit was causing it.
My replacement draws between 20-80mA when idle and 220-250mA when under load i.e. using Wi-Fi, browsing web etc. Battery went from 54% when I got it (1pm) to 26% by the time I went to bed at midnight last night
It sounds like you have a similar problem?
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Is this 'Battery Status' part of an app??? Please let us know as this itself can draw power if it is constantly polling the battery. (Heisenberg principle??)
Hi to everybody. This is my first message here. I have been around for a little while, as I have bought a Kaiser 2 weeks ago and I found this place extremely helpful. I bought it with a German OS on it and I reflashed using Hard SPL and Dutty's Windows distribution. Thank you all for your posts and information, I searched and always found what I needed. Now... I got a few questions:
1. I ordered myself a Mugen 3000 amps battery and I wonder if there is any software to correctly report battery consumption, as I read that many had problems with this.
2. When you load the battery... how do you know when it's really loaded since there are those battery usage reporting problems.
3. Where can I set my device to remain operational until the battery is dead (stop auto-shut down at 2% or stuff like that). I read that some extended life batteries are reported as dead by Windows and after reboot they are back to 34%. So a workaround to point 1 is to stop the device from auto shutting down and remaining operational until there is no energy left.
Thank you in advance ::- ).
Man, I can't wait till Epyon (a company) comes out with that nano tech battery that fully charges in seconds. I'll buy one on the spot. Look them up man. They are internationally based. I went to sleep with a 100 percent battery and woke up to my phone being dead. ON STANDBY!! wtf. I love my phone but geez.
gqstatus0685 said:
Man, I can't wait till Epyon (a company) comes out with that nano tech battery that fully charges in seconds. I'll buy one on the spot. Look them up man. They are internationally based. I went to sleep with a 100 percent battery and woke up to my phone being dead. ON STANDBY!! wtf. I love my phone but geez.
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I went to bed with the phone fully charged and woke up with it at 93% with Direct Push enabled. There is absolutley something you can do about your battery draining like that.
mcmexican said:
I went to bed with the phone fully charged and woke up with it at 93% with Direct Push enabled. There is absolutley something you can do about your battery draining like that.
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Unless he slept for 4 days!!!!
I agree, that is absolutely absurd. 100% ---> DEAD overnight????
I'd suggest doing a soft reset before you go to bed so that are processes are killed and not running in the background and then see how the battery works overnight.
Errrrrr
Errrrrrr... can anybody ANSWER my questions? ::- D.
I always close out of running programs after I'm done with it. I had my battery fully charged and unhooked it so that it wouldnt over do the battery. Went to sleep and when I woke up my phone was on sleep "obviously" so I hit the power button and it doesn't wake up. So I have to do a hard reset on my phone by pulling out the battery. When I powered back on my battery was like at 18 percent. Crazy.
Did you charge the battery for more than 10-12 hours the first three times you recharged?
I wouldn't know I bought it from a friend, I'm pretty sure he let it die down completely before charging it.
these are lit ion batts why would it matter if you charged it for that long the first time. for the first initial charge your sappose to charge it for a complete 14 hours anywas.
axonn said:
1. I ordered myself a Mugen 3000 amps battery and I wonder if there is any software to correctly report battery consumption, as I read that many had problems with this.
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Try BatteryStatus. It's a 3rd party app that is updated regularly.
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2. When you load the battery... how do you know when it's really loaded since there are those battery usage reporting problems.
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The Kaiser itself will show a green light on the front when the battery is fully charged. Since this is a function of hardware, and not controlled by software, it should be accurately represent a 100% charge.
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3. Where can I set my device to remain operational until the battery is dead (stop auto-shut down at 2% or stuff like that). I read that some extended life batteries are reported as dead by Windows and after reboot they are back to 34%. So a workaround to point 1 is to stop the device from auto shutting down and remaining operational until there is no energy left.
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Probably a registry setting that controls this. Sorry I can't be more specific on this one.
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gqstatus0685: as far as I know, a hard reset does not mean pulling out your battery. That's just like something between soft reset and hard reset. Hard reset = erase all OS settings, right?
NotATreoFan: thank you for your answer, it's the first good and complete answer I got. I still hope for an answer to question 3. As for battery status: I think I have it since I use Dutty's Windows, and I think he included it.
Is it possibly to deactivate HSDPA (instead use GPRS or UMTS -> fast enough for the headlines) to automatically download emails? I'm pretty shure this costs me a lot of battery. It only downloads mails every 30 minutes, but when i turn it off, the battery lasts a lot longer.
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Is it possibly to deactivate HSDPA (instead use GPRS or UMTS -> fast enough for the headlines) to automatically download emails? I'm pretty shure this costs me a lot of battery. It only downloads mails every 30 minutes, but when i turn it off, the battery lasts a lot longer.
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Technically, this post should not be in this thread. It is for an issue/question separate from the original poster's. That being said...
Google search. Check out the results here. The very first link will answer your question.
gqstatus0685 said:
Man, I can't wait till Epyon (a company) comes out with that nano tech battery that fully charges in seconds. I'll buy one on the spot. Look them up man. They are internationally based. I went to sleep with a 100 percent battery and woke up to my phone being dead. ON STANDBY!! wtf. I love my phone but geez.
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Check out sticky "HTC models with GPS: abnormal battery drainage in standby" - I bet that's exactly what you experienced. Do you remember whether you had GPS on, the day before you put your phone aside?
Thanks
Buster
Soft Reset-Stick Stylus in the hole
Hard Reset-Turn off phone pop battery out then back in
Master Reset-Erases all data on the phone
gqstatus0685 said:
Soft Reset-Stick Stylus in the hole
Hard Reset-Turn off phone pop battery out then back in
Master Reset-Erases all data on the phone
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Nope, I don't think this is quite right (unless I have missed something). Taking the battery out is not a hard reset. I tested this just now to be sure and it had no discernible effect on my phone. To hard reset, hold the two soft keys down together, then put the stylus in the hole and wait for the instructions (i.e. take the stylus out of the hole and press the green phone button). The phone will then be back to factory condition and you will lose all of your data.
rienzi said:
Nope, I don't think this is quite right (unless I have missed something). Taking the battery out is not a hard reset. I tested this just now to be sure and it had no discernible effect on my phone. To hard reset, hold the two soft keys down together, then put the stylus in the hole and wait for the instructions (i.e. take the stylus out of the hole and press the green phone button). The phone will then be back to factory condition and you will lose all of your data.
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finally someone who knows what a hard reset is.
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Hey, I was the first one who knew ::- D.
Ok, so my Mugen battery should be coming these days. I installed batteryStatus but I wonder: what if this program simply gets the measurements from the same place Windows does. So far I always saw battery status report the same digits as Windows. Are you sure there are cases where Battery Status disagrees with Windows on the battery measurement?
Still nobody to tell me how to make the Kaiser stay on until the battery dies (stop auto power off)?
no problem here with the battery
Mugen
What do you mean? Do you have the Mugen?
has anybody figured out how to keep the tilt from coming out of sleep due to notifications and what not? Tried s2u2 and it doesn't do any better than the built in lock. Im looking for battery life. Im getting half a day's use 6hrs with little to no use. I just recienve mail and txt all day so the screen is on constantly. It's killing my battery so fast to have the display on all the time that i'm probably gonna go back to my MOTO Q9h cause that will last 3 days for me on the regular battery.
Running the newest Garmin's rom with built in m2d with newest kaiser radio.
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has anybody figured out how to keep the tilt from coming out of sleep due to notifications and what not? Tried s2u2 and it doesn't do any better than the built in lock. Im looking for battery life. Im getting half a day's use 6hrs with little to no use. I just recienve mail and txt all day so the screen is on constantly. It's killing my battery so fast to have the display on all the time that i'm probably gonna go back to my MOTO Q9h cause that will last 3 days for me on the regular battery.
Running the newest Garmin's rom with built in m2d with newest kaiser radio.
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lower your screen brightness. that will help your battery. and it is not in kaiser tweak. good luck to you.
That's what I want, a way for my phone " not " to notify me when I get a call or text or email, That"s what " I " bought a cell phone for
How about the off button
i just think this is such a rediculas oversight from htc. I used to have the 8125 and it would turn back on, show the notification then turn back off. Not exactly what i want but definately better than what this dumb thing does. I know that this type of phone and the 3g will kill a battery but geesh. I haven't had service all day and the battery is down to 50% after 5 hours of sitting in my holster. I've tried differrent roms different radios and the battery life is unacceptable for how very little i use it. I bought it used so maybe the battery is bad but i've never personaly had a lithium battery go bad.
denco7 said:
That's what I want, a way for my phone " not " to notify me when I get a call or text or email, That"s what " I " bought a cell phone for
How about the off button
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I want sound and vibration. I don't want the screen to come on and kill the battery for no good reason. The balloons are annoying but ok, would prefer just the symbol on the top of the screen and the msg counter going up. Im a mechanic im buisy and get dirty, i can't just drop everything to run to my phone $200+ phone and turn the screen off cause i don't want the battery to die.