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Thinking of buying ? Help needed

I am thinking of buying Breeze/MTeor but I wanted to get users opinon on the phone, things that I would like to use:
Pushmail, Naviagation.
Things I wanted to know about was:
1 - Does the phone freeze or hang ?
2 - Is there any problems where you miss alot of phone calls (had this issue on HTC TyTn)
3 - Does it work fast enough, navigating through menu and apps ?
4 - Will I be able to use TomTom ?
5 - If anyone has experience of Pocket PC, what the difference you find with Smartphone version ?
Thanks in advance.

Hi,
first you could read the Wiki (Review's) maybe help you too!!
second:
i had an TyTn before the MTeor!
had also many problems with the tytn ... but most of them in wm5 ... with wm6 most is gone...
i had no phone hang yet on mteor! no calls missed ... i didn't expect any problems so far...
speed is very good! (is the only sp with a 300 mhz cpu) !!!
you are able to use tomtom!
once there is an special smartphone tomtom edition you also can use the pocketpc version! there is a programm called PSHelper with that programm you can act with the d-pad like you have a touchscreen (with a mouse coursor!!)
the differences between the ppc and sp are the missing of a touchscreen!! but as you can see on tomtom with pshelper there is also not a big problem!
some apps did not work on sp ... like the game worms... there are some special smartphone versions of apps out!!
for software just look in wiki!!
also theres a bit difference in the today screen but nothing big.. you did not have such plugins like on the ppc ... just browse the web for sbsh facade or look in to wiki i have attached a screenshot in the skin section ... there you can see the agenda software...

Thanks, I did look through the Wiki and the forum before posting.
I cannot find anything about PSHelper searched google too, do you have a link ?
I sold my TyTn and went for a treo 750v which I really do like, but I want to go to a smaller phone but keep alot of the functions, and the MTeor seems to be the perfect solution.
Which version of TomTom are you running, I have version 6 I use on my treo can I use this with PSHelper ?

Hi,
sorry my fault program calls sphelper
http://www.bobsoft.com/sphelper/
i used it with tomtom5 and 6 theres no difference...
simply explained... the programs that are written for ppc waits for input on screen! but you cant do that on a smartphone...
so the mouse cursor does that for you!!
for me the mteor is the best solution... it is a phone with pocketpc funktionalities!!
i have loved my tytn but the size and weight ....
if you want a slideout keyboard i prever you to wait for s730 ? because s710 has the slide out keyboard but the "slow" omap cpus ....

s730 with keyboard starts looking like my TyTn I think I'd be happy with the MTeor and hopefully with the new versions you mentions, should mean the MTeor resale price should be coming down, works for me.

1 - I haven't had any problems with the phone hanging.
2 - I have huge problems, especially when roaming, that the phone looses the connection to the network - even if the signal strength is good. Others have had a better experience.
3 - I find it fast enough.
4 - Only Tomtom mobile 5 will work. Tomtom navigator 6 is only done for PPC.
5 - I will be going the other way soon, getting a 3600 instead. I've never used a PPC yet.

staffann said:
4 - Only Tomtom mobile 5 will work. Tomtom navigator 6 is only done for PPC.
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!!! try to use sphelper, very cool !!!
i have bought my mteor for 320€ new without an provider ... i think thats not so bad... i have payed 500€ for the tytn ... for quite an year...

futureshock said:
!!! try to use sphelper, very cool !!!
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I did some time ago. Cool maybe, but I find the resulting user interface (TT6+sphelper) almost unusable anyway. Maybe I should have written that TT6 doesn't work very well with MTeoR since TT6 is written for PPC and not smartphones. It can be made to work, barely.

Alright at last I won myself a Mteor on ebay, waiting for delivery hopefully Thursday, can't wait
So tomtom5 runs without the need for sp helper, tomtom6 you need sp helper is that right ?
Does it really make it unusable ?, Is sphelper always running? does it slow down the phone at all ?

tomtom6 you need sp helper is that right ?
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yes
TT5 has a smartphone version and pocket version, but TT6 is pocket only. So you need rather additions to run pocket software like TT6
Is sphelper always running? does it slow down the phone at all ?
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you need run it only when you want to use TT6

So should I just use TomTom Mobile 5 which was made for smartphone? (I take it voices is a problem)
Is there any benefit of using TomTom 6 ?

TT6 has much better maps.
Note: TT 5.200 is the lowest version you need.

iGuidance v4.0 not working properly [SOLVED!] (GPS location refreshes very slow)

SYMPTOM:
Hi,
After I upgraded to Dutty's V4 and then later on to DCS's V1.5 (both are great ROMs by the way), I am having difficulties using iNavigator (iGuidance) on my Tilt.
Symptom:
When I start driving, the location on the map does not update as I go. It ONLY updates the second that it enters full screen or exits from full screen (i.e. I click on the screen when it's in full screen mode).
The COM port is set to COM4 and Baudrate is 57600. Is it because iNavigator is not fully compatible with this ROM or radio?
BR...
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SOLUTION:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2114969&postcount=25
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2120352&postcount=35
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2114969&postcount=40
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I had this as well with Sleuth's v3 (WM6.1) rom as well, I went back to Sleuth's v1.2 (WM6) and all is good again with iGuidance.

vip_snoopy said:
Hi,
After I upgraded to Dutty's V4 and then later on to DCS's V1.5 (both are great ROMs by the way), I am having difficulties using iNavigator (iGuidance) on my Tilt.
Symptom:
When I start driving, the location on the map does not update as I go. It ONLY updates the second that it enters full screen or exits from full screen (i.e. I click on the screen when it's in full screen mode).
The COM port is set to COM4 and Baudrate is 57600. Is it because iNavigator is not fully compatible with this ROM or radio?
BR...
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My Tilt with DCS's 1.5 cannot run iGuidance 4 totally.

vip_snoopy said:
Hi,
After I upgraded to Dutty's V4 and then later on to DCS's V1.5 (both are great ROMs by the way), I am having difficulties using iNavigator (iGuidance) on my Tilt.
Symptom:
When I start driving, the location on the map does not update as I go. It ONLY updates the second that it enters full screen or exits from full screen (i.e. I click on the screen when it's in full screen mode).
The COM port is set to COM4 and Baudrate is 57600. Is it because iNavigator is not fully compatible with this ROM or radio?
BR...
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Try baud rate at 4800. See if that helps.

I think v4 is far inferior to v3. I have both and v4 is uninstalled. No map generation and compatibility problems.
J

I've found v4 to be OK on Hermes and Kaiser with WM6.0. I've played with baud and it doesn't matter, from 4800-38400 same refresh rate seen.

so, set it to 4800? will try tomorrow when I drive

vip_snoopy:
Don't bother. It won't help. It has something to do with the internal GPS on the Kaiser and WM 6.1 that iGuidance 4 doesn't like. I had the same issue as you (and others). As a test, I paired my bluetooth GPS to the phone and iG4 worked great.
However, other GPS based software (ie Live Search) works fine in WM 6.1.
I cooked my own ROM from Alex's 3.02 package...
shadee

slimshadee said:
vip_snoopy:
Don't bother. It won't help. It has something to do with the internal GPS on the Kaiser and WM 6.1 that iGuidance 4 doesn't like. I had the same issue as you (and others). As a test, I paired my bluetooth GPS to the phone and iG4 worked great.
However, other GPS based software (ie Live Search) works fine in WM 6.1.
I cooked my own ROM from Alex's 3.02 package...
shadee
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so you said you cooked your own ROM from Alex's 3.02 package, is that WM6.1? could you provide some more details about it?

Yes. 3.02.405.0 ROM base (WM 6.1). It is Alex's v5 Kitchen.
I just got iG4, so I never tested it with any of the ROMS I cooked from WM 6.0. I did however, use iG3.01 sucessfully on all of those WM6.0 ROMs.
I was fortunate to have a bluetooth GPS from my old Hermes and Wizard PPC's, and used it to confirm the problem with iG4 / WM6.1 (3.02 ROM) was related to the internal GPS on the Tilt / Kaiser. iG4 works like a champ with the BT GPS, but craps out constantly when using the built-in GPS.
IMO, the built-in GPS is significantly inferior to a paired BT GPS.
And, BTW, iG4 is slower than iG3.01, probably because of the added POI's and the fact the entire map must be loaded on your storage card. I really miss the maploader program from version 3.
Get a BT GPS and enjoy iG4...it's still the best nav software in my book.
shadee

My two cents worth... I have Handymap (South African Version of Papago) and it also was very sluggish, used to update every 300m or so when going at 100kmph. I complained to the vendor, and since then they have released a cab install specifically for the Tytn II.
So it seems to me that the way the internal GPS chats to the software is different than the way an external BT GPS does.

Just to get this thread back on track and see if anyone can help us find a solution. I am also having the same issues that you describe with iGuidance 4. I am able to get a satellite lock quickly, but while driving, the map does not refresh or update unless you tap the screen. The interesting thing about this problem is that the same version iGuidance works incredibly when using a WM6 rom. This problem only occurs when using WM6.1. Additionally, using the 6.1 rom only seems to impact iGuidance and not TomTom.
I did some research on other devices and saw that some people had success using Franson GPSGate, but I am looking for a solution that doesn't require it as it was not required in wm6.
Please do not turn this thread into a debate over which gps application is better or which version of iGuidance is better. Any suggestions as to what may solve this issue would be appreciated.

I found two issued with iG4 and WM6.1
1 - the map gets a fix but doesn't update unless the screen is touched
2 - the TTS in iG4 uses "canned" speech for most commands, and TTS to just say the street names. With 6.1, the TTS engine seems disabled as well.
3 - Just an FYI, there is a reg setting to force iG4 to only use canned speech like the previous versions like iG3 which does speed up the prog. You can also force full TTS which slows the prog more, so the current hi-brid method is a performance balance.
If GPS Gate fixes this, I'd be OK with that for now till a better fix comes along. Anyone have solid information about this? I'm on Sleuth's v1.2 WM6 rom till then, which is a solid rom, snappier than the stock Kaiser which was very good.
My experience with tech support with iNav will be that they will deny the existance of WM6.1 and any issues, then fix it in the next release. That's what they've done year over year. But I still love the prog.

slimshadee said:
Yes. 3.02.405.0 ROM base (WM 6.1). It is Alex's v5 Kitchen.
I just got iG4, so I never tested it with any of the ROMS I cooked from WM 6.0. I did however, use iG3.01 sucessfully on all of those WM6.0 ROMs.
I was fortunate to have a bluetooth GPS from my old Hermes and Wizard PPC's, and used it to confirm the problem with iG4 / WM6.1 (3.02 ROM) was related to the internal GPS on the Tilt / Kaiser. iG4 works like a champ with the BT GPS, but craps out constantly when using the built-in GPS.
IMO, the built-in GPS is significantly inferior to a paired BT GPS.
And, BTW, iG4 is slower than iG3.01, probably because of the added POI's and the fact the entire map must be loaded on your storage card. I really miss the maploader program from version 3.
Get a BT GPS and enjoy iG4...it's still the best nav software in my book.
shadee
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well, although I do have a BT GPS, I'm just lazy to carry another one around since I have an "Internal GPS" for the Tilt. So for the meantime I'll be using TomTom until someone figures how it works out. - Hopefully by then iGuidance 5 will be out

I have seen this as an issue as well...But i actually saw it in one of Dutty's WM6.0 ROMs. I then updated to Schaps 6.0 rom and the problem went away. I've since installed only one WM6.1 rom, the udK 7.0 R1 Vega - WWE | WM6.1 CE OS 5.2.19199 (Build 19199.1.0.0). I was going to try a different rom, but i'm not sure that it will solve my issue after reading this thread.

Rom Doesn't Matter
I've had this exact problem ever since the first cooked WM6.1 ROMs have been made available. I have tried every radio and almost every WM6.1 ROM and all have the exact same problem as mentioned in this thread.
But a Bluetooth GPS reciever does work so I'm just going to go with that for now since I only use GPS in my car anyway.
Also I registered my program with iNav and there are no updates to the software yet. opefully when there is it will fix the problem.

temporary work around
Ok, I've given up searching for now and believe that the only solution is to use GPSGate as discussed in this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1862272&postcount=4
GPSGate is not free, but there are alternatives to it out there that haven't been tested yet. I did download the trial of GPSGate and can verify that it does work. It's not too expensive either for just the ppc license.
To use the mortscript script that is discussed in this thread, you do also need to download AstroGPSLauncher which can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1870976&postcount=1
It seems as if we are stuck with this until iGuidance can resolve it. The more users that contact them, the better chance we have of getting a fix. However since 6.1 isn't officially released yet, they will more than likely deny the issue.

Heres what iNav support had to say in response to my e-mail
I don't think any of these options will fix the 6.1 compatibility issue...what do you all think?
MY SUPPORT REQUEST...
Hello,
I have Windows Mobile 6.1 on my AT&T Tilt Pocket PC. iGuidance recognizes my internal GPS, but does not automatically refresh the screen. I have to zoom in/out or change something with the screen to get it to refresh. Do you know how I can fix this problem?
THEIR RESPONSE...
There are several possibilities:
1) GPS connection issue : the program is not connected to your GPS and thus unable to update your current position. If it's connected, the arrow/cursor in iGuidance map screen should be in yellow or green. And when you click on view > gpsinfo, you should see the screen w/ NMEA data being updated continuously. If the cursor continues to stay at grey color, this means iGuidance has not been connected to your GPS. If the cursor is red, then this means it has found your GPS but is in the process of locking and searching for satellite signals. The GPS connection indicator information can be found under Section IX step #6 of the iGuidance Installation Guide, and the step-by-step instruction on how to configure and connect iGuidance to your GPS is available under Section VIII step #4 of your iGuidance Installation Guide.
2) Normal program operation: whenever you've just entered an address and click on "nav", the program will automatically enable panning mode. You will need to click on the "X" button at the lower right hand corner to exit the panning mode to see the screen refresh. If you don't manually exit, it will self auto-exit after 40-45 seconds. So if you didn't know how to operate the program and didn't wait for 40-45 seconds, it's likely you will think that the screen is not updating.
3) Program installation: it is also possible that some files were corrupted during installation. You might want to following the uninstall/reinstall instruction in Section II of your iGuidance Installation Guide and reinstall the PPC version.
Tilt is the most popular pocket pc phone used by our customers, so there's no compatibility issue w/ the hardware nor the internal GPS. Most likely, scenario #2 or 3 is the problem.

Has anyone figured out how to get iGuidance 4.0 to work on Windows Mobile 6.1 without spending more money? I know about the GPS Gate trick, but would rather not spend another $20 when iGuidance worked flawlessly by itself on WM6.0.

afgoody said:
Has anyone figured out how to get iGuidance 4.0 to work on Windows Mobile 6.1 without spending more money? I know about the GPS Gate trick, but would rather not spend another $20 when iGuidance worked flawlessly by itself on WM6.0.
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If you click on my link from two posts above, you'll see that they mention a free alternative called GPSProxy

Destinator 6 gps problem ( internal)

Hi, i work everyday yesterday and today trying to make the destinator 6 work,
I use the duttýs feb.08 rom and radio i also try a lot, i am using now, the 1.58.21.23 NIKI
The problem is i can found the Gps port with destination configurations on COM4, 115200 , NMEA but WHEN I PUT IN THE SCREEN TO FIND THE GPS POSITIONS, I READ A MESSAGE " GPS ANTENNA NOT FOUND"
I only make it work emulating the gps position with FRASON GPSGATE .
I think the problem is the time or delay of antennas, what ca i do?
NOTE: AFTER A DESINSTALL THE FRASON GPS GATE I DO A HARD RESET.
tHANKS
FLAVIO MARTINS
SAO PAULO-SP
BRAZIL

any news?
Anyone have any news?

Flavio,
I installed destinator 6.1 and I'm having the same problem. It finds the GPs and keep changing from " GPS Antenna found" and "GPS Antenna not found" in each 2 seconds.
Is it the same problem that you are having?

I'm using Confused Stu's Windows Vista 1.3 Cooked Rom with Radio Ver 1.65.14.06 and Destinator 6 works perfectly
C

I'm using Dutty's WM6.1 Hybrid v2 5.2.19716/5.2.19700
Destinator 7 work fine (downloaded a trial version) but id doesn`t have the language that I need, so I rather use Destinator 6.
Tried several versions of this ROM (Cube, no Cube and lite) and in everyone the same thing happens: It keep changing from "GPS Antenna found" "GPS Antenna nof found" every 3 seconds.
I think I gonna try one WM6.0 ROM to see if it works. I'll try Sleuth 1.2 first, than Confused Stu's Windows Vista 1.3 Cooked Rom.
Thanks

Try 6.0 NOT 6.1
Hi everyone,
This is my first post here and I would like to share my experience with the WM6.1 update and Destinator. I had been using an Asus n30 and for that to work I had to install Destinator 6.1.1 otherwise it would loose GPS etc. When I tried the same 6.1.1 update on my Kaiser (Vodafone version) with WM6.0 it worked basically but when I drove at higher speeds above 140-160 km/h (here in Germany this is quite a normal speed on the highway) the display would freeze and stop updating and I would no longer get voice instructions from Destinator.
So I had the crazy idea to update to WM6.1 to fix this...Big mistake...at first
Well as you have also found out it made things worse and I got the "GPS Antenna not Connected" issue.
I was able to solve my problem after a lot of tinkering with different radios and two ROM images one from Vodafone UK (3.28) and the last ROM posted from Dutty - which I am using now great stuff! both are WM6.1. What helped solve the problem was to revert back to Destinator 6.0 i.e. the original version from the CD-Rom that I had bought. After deleting the 6.1.1 version and installing 6.0 everything was fine no more "GPS antenna not connected" and no more freezes even when driving at over 200 km/h (130 Mph).
My guess is that the 6.1.1 update was optimized for slower devices like my n30 but the measures taken in that update that made slower PDAs work with WM3 SE were counter productive under a more modern OS like WM6.x
Even though this took me 3 days and a lot of head scratching to figure out I am very happy I did go through this process. Now thanks to this great community I have learned to flash Hard SPLs, change my ROMs as I please and as a result I have a much more powerful Kaiser . All of this despite what the lady at the Vodafone hotline told e "you can not use an update from the UK...or from HTC" ha ha .
I hope this may help some of the other users who have destinator 6 trouble.
Cheers
htpcman

Kaiser Problems
i have an htc 8900 series(its called the ATT tilt in the States, i think its called the Kaiser everywhere else) and i'm having problems with WM6 and desitnator 6. i installed it as instructed and when i try to open the program it seems like it tries to open it, but nothing happens and i get taken back to the today screen. i've even uninstalled the program and sent all the installation files from my ASUS 696 via bluetooth to my phone's card, but that didn't work either. Dest 6 works perfectly on the ASUS.
On my phone, GPS settings are Program port Com4, GPS hardware port (none), baud rate 4800. And the phone will not let me change the baud rate or the hardward port. It doesnt' save my changes. ANy help is appreciated.
Thanks

Help Improve My XDA2i and Wi-Fi Problem

Hi
I havent performed any upgrades to my XDA2i (official or otherwise) for at least 3 years - are there any upgrades I should consider?
Here is my Device Info
ROM Version : 1.11.00 WWE
ROM Date : 01/27/05
Radio Version : 1.00.00
Protocol Version : 1337.39
ExtROM Version : [THIS IS BLANK]
Model Number : PH10C
Also, I am unable to connect to WiFi with my XDAIIi
The device finds wifi signals and sometimes will make a connection - but when I try and open a webpage I get a screen showing "IIS7" and nothing else.
Here are my settings for WiFi :
Network Card Connects to tiacxwin Campatible Wireless Ethernet (for both The Internet and Work).
Power Save slider is set for Best Performance.
Thanks for any help and advice !!!
Paul

I am in a similar position Paul.
I have been given a 02 XDAll by my company to use for recording surveys.
Its bog standard like yours.
I'd really like to upgrade it but the problem is there is almost too much written about it on these forums .Most of it is so old and out of date that all the links are broken. Its hard work trawling through it.
What is needed is a simple basic upgrading overview listing all the options but I suppose everyone has moved on to more recent PDA's and are no longer interested in these
I've posted a similar request in the Himilayer section .Maybe we can share what we find
Nick

Nick, do you have a Himalaya or an Alpine? PH10B or PH10C?
The Alpine is stuck on WM2003, perfectly good for its task just not upgradeable to WM5 or WM6.
As for customising it realy depends what you are looking for.

Hi DeeDee thank you for responding. I feel guilty hyjacking Paul's thread.
Mine is a Himalaya 10B
with following spec
02 XDAll
2Gb SD card
Rom 1.72.00WWE
Date03/15/04
Radio 1.17.04
ext Rom 1.72.18.1
Ram 128Mb
Model PH10B
I just wanted to improve the Active page if its possible .I cannot read the tiny text so large button icons like the Diamond would be useful
I cannot set the Internet access up either ? have tried for hours.
I have a Netgear Wireless Modem router DG834G but neither the manual or quick guide explain how to set up the XDA .
I have spent several days trawling this site and the net.
Any help appreciated thank you

Nick,
No problem joining in - if we can get the WiFi problem sorted I would be more than happy.
DeeDee,
Should my ExtROM Version be completely blank?
Thanks
Paul

Hi Paul
you're up early !
I have used WM5 on an XDA Mini S (Wizard) a couple of years ago. I imagine that most of the current software and apps are written for WM5 orWM6 so it will mean I'll need to upgrade to WM6. Presume that means flashing the Rom which judging by the number of disasters on this forum is not something I'd do lightly.
Particularly as there are virtually no answers to requests for help.
I found a statement last night that basically says unless you are a software developer you arn't welcome on this forum which probably explains the lack of help.
Yours has the 128 Rom as apposed to my 64Mb which is a big advantage. I have gone off the idea of buying a Himalaya or an Alpine as they are too antiquated really which is a shame as I love the build quality and screen size.
I'm going to look for something a bit more contemporary I think . In the mean time I'll enjoy using the works XDA ll

Hi
Flashing the Himalaya to WM5 or WM6 is painless and it has to be said slightly addictive, you will try many ROMs until you find one you like. Think I have tried most of the ROMs for the Himalaya.
The lack of help has NOTHING to do with not being a developer, i'm not one and have had lots of help. The problem is probably due to the lack of people using these PPCs. i have to confess my Himalaya is purely there as something to muck about with, work didn't want it any more. i have a Trinity as primary PPC phone and an Alpine with an application that doesn't work on WM5.
You won't get your Himalaya to connect to your WiFi as it doesn't do WiFi without an add on card.

DeeDee,
Should my (Alpine) ExtROM Version be completely blank?
Thanks
Paul

Hi Paul
Can't remember and my Alpine is at home, but i don't think so.

deedee said:
Hi
Flashing the Himalaya to WM5 or WM6 is painless and it has to be said slightly addictive, you will try many ROMs until you find one you like. Think I have tried most of the ROMs for the Himalaya.
The lack of help has NOTHING to do with not being a developer, i'm not one and have had lots of help. The problem is probably due to the lack of people using these PPCs. i have to confess my Himalaya is purely there as something to muck about with, work didn't want it any more. i have a Trinity as primary PPC phone and an Alpine with an application that doesn't work on WM5.
You won't get your Himalaya to connect to your WiFi as it doesn't do WiFi without an add on card.
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Thankyou DeeDee I appreciate you taking the trouble to answer silly questions by a noob.
I have downloaded and printed out a 140 page manual and there was nothing clear about connecting to wi-fi
If I have to carry this Hima around with me all day I might as well have it working as well as it can.I had intended to purchase a 3g Iphone for myself but now I'm not so sure I might buy a HTC instead if I can find one with 3.5" screen and wi-fi and a reasonable interface like touchflo
Nick

i have to say the smaller screen on my Trinity is perfectly adequate and that the larger form factor of the Alpine/Himalaya means you need a headset/handsfree kit to really use it as a phone.
It's also not pocketable, which my Trinity is, just.
If you can find a decent mobile shop and have a touchy feely sesion with as many as you can.

thanks DeeDee thats excellent advice. Photos never give a good indication of size and ease of use . The size is a bind like you say its heavy and too big for a shirt pocket but it is easier for me to work with using reading glasses.
I got an 02 XDA mini S when they first came out. I found the screen too small and fiddly and it stayed in the box unused for 18 months when I sold it on ebay for nothing so I have learnt my lesson.

DeeDee may I just ask one other question please. I have trawled through the wiki and various other sources but I still haven'y founf an answer to my initial question on the Himalaya board.
Q1 How do you install a new app on the Hima or Alpine ?
Q2. where does it get installed to ?
Today we lost the special survey App again Grrrrrrrrrrrv because the flippin battery went flat.
My boss is hopping mad and blames me !....I blame IT cos they installed it.
There must be somewhere we can install an App to that is non volatile and is not lost every time the battery goes flat.
Presumably the same place that WM2003 is installed ? How is it done ?

To install an app either:
1 - use Active Sync to install it if necessary
2 - if the install is a CAB file copy it to a memory card and then click it on the PPC to run the install.
As for the where it installs, when you run the installer it may ask where you wish to install, either Device/Storage Card. Make sure both batteries are charging. In all honesty it's not your fault that the end users aren't charging their Alpine on a regular basis.

The best navigational software for the HTC Diamond

Hi all..
I want to start a threat on the best navigational software for the HTC Diamond.
This one is for the nominees the next threat will be with a poll of all nominees.
Post like me plz.
My nominees are:
1. Igo v8
2. TomTom v7
3. Sygic McGuider v7

And please post those without the 50m delay error !
Some say that the phone is not accurate and that indications and guidance are 50m late with Tom Tom and many others...

cornwall said:
And please post those without the 50m delay error !
Some say that the phone is not accurate and that indications and guidance are 50m late with Tom Tom and many others...
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The delay is not caused by the software. It is the way they implemented GPS in the Diamond.

what's the legal status of loading TomTom 7 on a Diamond/branded handset that does not include this
I know of someone who tried to buy maps from Tomtom - and they accused him of piracy for loading the software - took his money and closed off his access to the maps he had bought online

merrica said:
what's the legal status of loading TomTom 7 on a Diamond/branded handset that does not include this
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Easy question : illegal !
TT7 is not sold by TomTom in any way except included in some devices...
merrica said:
I know of someone who tried to buy maps from Tomtom - and they accused him of piracy for loading the software - took his money and closed off his access to the maps he had bought online
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That's pretty dumb to buy maps for a software acquired illegally.
To come back to the original question :
I can see only 2 real contenders : TT7 and Igo8. I found pros and cons on each one and cannot decide which one to use...
Other GPS software are far behind those two

The Tomtom software is free. The map cost.
I have both Tomtom and Igo on my TD. Igo win hands down.

steveianson said:
The Tomtom software is free. The map cost.
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Where did you see that ???????

TomTom 7 for VGA devices is sweeeeet on the Diamond. It´s lightning fast and everything looks super sharp. Installed it yesterday... great gps locks on my diamond, even indoors in seconds...

I also have both TT7 and Igo8, and I prefer Igo8. The lag on TT7 seems less though (maybe just due to the big arrow!). Igo8's UK map has directed me down a few one way streets but I really prefer the interface, it is much easier to use even as a piece of map reading software, and I find the instructions clearer, with fewer ambiguous instructions (like BEAR LEFT = TURN LEFT sometimes = go straight other times on TT7)

Howell said:
Easy question : illegal !
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Wrong!! I have TomTom 7 installed, it didnt come packaged on my device, and i sourced it from TomTom.
Also you might want to read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401679 particularly the title "TomTom 7 extracted from HTC Diamond"
If this was EXTRACTED from a HTC Diamond, it was shipped from HTC with TomTom 7 Installed!
and if you look here: http://navngo.com/pages/global/eng/news_and_press/htc_touch_eng you can read about Nav N Go WM6 compatible software
I suggest you go to both of the manufacturers websites and re-read the sections about PDA's

I -really- prefer the interface, features and visuals of IGO8 over TomTom. The problem is IGO8 has around 20M lag so I end up using TomTom.

destinator
I tried several applications in the past.
"Destinator" is the only package that works for me without problems
both on my diamond as on my other devices.
Destinator also does not have problems with all my other applications that
run in the background.

is use both Igo8 and Tomtom7. Both work fine on the diamond, except for the GPS lag (the same with Igo8 and TT7). I recently switched back from Igo8 tot TT7 because i found the screen from Igo8 too overwhelming, looks like a computergame with lots of information and colours. TT7 has more basic looks, wich on the -little (compared tot dedicated devices)- screen from the Diamond looks better. Only complaint about TT7 are the small icons for the POI's, on the Igo8 these are better visible than the TT7 ones.

cornwall said:
And please post those without the 50m delay error !
Some say that the phone is not accurate and that indications and guidance are 50m late with Tom Tom and many others...
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I have a delay, but no more than 10m and when you're driving it really doesn't matter.

i have tried various versions of both TTN7 and IGo8, ended up sticking with IGo8, mainly because of the interface. The only thing that anoys me is not being able to put in Postcodes in the UK
anyone know a answer?

bennec83 said:
Wrong!! I have TomTom 7 installed, it didnt come packaged on my device, and i sourced it from TomTom.
Also you might want to read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401679 particularly the title "TomTom 7 extracted from HTC Diamond"
If this was EXTRACTED from a HTC Diamond, it was shipped from HTC with TomTom 7 Installed!
and if you look here: http://navngo.com/pages/global/eng/news_and_press/htc_touch_eng you can read about Nav N Go WM6 compatible software
I suggest you go to both of the manufacturers websites and re-read the sections about PDA's
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You should have read ALL my post : it's illegal IF NOT PRE-INSTALLED ON YOUR PHONE...
Its loaded on SOME Diamonds not ALL. If not present it's illegal to install it as TomTom does not provide it...
Please provide OFFICIAL info and link on how to get LEGAL TT7 when not shipped with phone to prove I'm wrong (and I would be glad to be wrong !!!!).

steveianson said:
The Tomtom software is free. The map cost.
I have both Tomtom and Igo on my TD. Igo win hands down.
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given the person I spoke of above - thankfully not me - no the software isn't free, or at least TomTom don't think so

AFAIK iGo is illegal on the Diamond too since it's shipped only on SD cards that will hardly be accepted by our babies.
Anyway, running fine on my XDA Diamond.

I use the Diamond for IGO8, Memory map OS and Run.GPS....
Rom. Swiftblade 7, radio 05...
Almost instant gps fix, very accurate even whilst out for a run...
Mostly used is Run.gps, then Memory map followed by IGO8 when I have to go to a meeting...

axelpix said:
AFAIK iGo is illegal on the Diamond too since it's shipped only on SD cards that will hardly be accepted by our babies.
Anyway, running fine on my XDA Diamond.
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Not really - if you bought yourself iGo on SD card and ported it over, you have purchased the rights to use that software
...unless some overly pedantic legalese prohibits shifting the files from SD card to Internal Storage