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Firewall and Anti-Virus

I searched the forums for firewall but nothing really relevant came up.
For my laptop and desktop I use ZoneAlarm security suite (AV, firewall and the whole lot). On the Kaiser there is ... nothing? Am I protected in any way, or do hackers and virus'es have free access when I am online? If so, what do the rest of you do to prevent this?

Could I assume this is of no concern, since no-one replies? I am happy to live without AV-FW software on my PDA, but I don't hope I get any virus in it!

eTrust do antivirus software and Airscanner do av and Firewall sw.
A quick search in Google will find you these sites.

Would AV/firewall grind the Kaiser to a grind or will it run OK?
Any one already running firewall? How much strain is it on the cpu?
Thanks

i ran fsecure for a bit and have also used airscanner for a bit, but TBH have you ever heard of a PDA getting a virus etc. ive certianly had no problems without them anyway.

Does anyone care about security ?
Hi...
I was flabbergasted when I did a search and found that ZoneAlarm, AVG and the other big internet security companies dont offer stuff for Pocket PC's !!! You would think they would be falling over one another to be 'First to Market' and offer it seeing as PPC's are predicted to be a 'big thing' in the mobile sector. Theres big bucks begging to be made here, surely !
...anyway.
Which Firewall & Antivirus etc do forum members recommend ?
TIA.
Mark.

loser40 said:
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I was flabbergasted when I did a search and found that ZoneAlarm, AVG and the other big internet security companies dont offer stuff for Pocket PC's !!! You would think they would be falling over one another to be 'First to Market' and offer it seeing as PPC's are predicted to be a 'big thing' in the mobile sector. Theres big bucks begging to be made here, surely !
...anyway.
Which Firewall & Antivirus etc do forum members recommend ?
TIA.
Mark.
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Hey the reason no one makes them for ppc's is because no one writes viruses for ppc's.i have spybot search and destroy for my mogul just cause im a computer hacker and ive seen some of my friends write a couple, they cant really do much though. I would say that u dont need one...also no one distributes viruses for ppc's because the odds of their viruses making it to a ppc and not a pc are very very slim.

i am at work right now. tonight i will download mobilesecruity cab i use. it has a 30 day trial then you have to buy.

AV
Bitdefender has a Mobile Security product as well. I scooped it up for free when it was in beta test, runs fine and doesn't seem to hit system performance much if at all.

There isn't a single PPC virus "in the wild" and any custom built trojan someone packs into a cab and posts here isn't likely to be caught by any of the current scanners because they are all signature based.
Really being sensible about what you run is the only current option, most WM phones run slow enough as it is without a resident scanner bogging them down anyway.

Symantec recently released an updated version of their "Norton Smartphone Security" software which includes the following components:
- mobile anti-virus; mobile firewall; SMS anti-spam; and LiveUpdate
I have been using this for about 3 weeks on my HTC TYTN II (with the shipped ROM) and have not noticed any performance degradation/reduction. In fact, it seems to have a pretty small footprint - 1.8 MB is the install size.

McAfee has a mobile antivirus, but it isnt free if thats what your looking for

I was happily using Airscanner firewall 3.0 with joy and no performance hit on the HTC stock wm6.1 ROM.
But I am now using the super L26 v9 but the firewall wont load on this ROM or on the previous v8 lite.
I am hoping I will get an answer for this.

I really think this is a waste of time. Norton, F-secure etc make these antiviruses knowing FULL WELL that no genuinely threatening viruses are in the wild - at least none that I've ever heard of or experienced.
I'd be interested to know WHAT these programs are scanning for!
There is plenty of antivirus software for the symbian platform which in my experience only serves to hit speed and performance with absolutely no real-world use whatsoever. In order for a Symbian application that uses critical system rights to be installlable it must first be signed by Symbian - with this in mind it is virtually impossible for a dialler or other frightful gremlin to reach your phone.
I'm sure a similar principal applies to Windows Mobile devices. Besides, it's far more fun to spread a virus on a proper windows platform, with greater consequences, and a hell of a lot easier too.
I really think these companies make most of their money from paranoia, so I choose to ignore them and I will for a while yet.

Fair comment as of course at the end of the day it is down to user choice.
I found f-secure and norton to be crap and would not run right, but airscanner both firewall and anti virus worked perfect on the htc stock rom.
L26 v8 & v9 are great and I prefer these over the stock rom as they are so much faster but to then get a app you just paid for not to work it is human nature to want to get it back.
I have never been hit by a virus etc on my laptop but still choose to use ZoneAlarm and my works VPN when necessary "just to be safe"
An example here is a local water supplier says many areas around here have a bug in the water so people should boil before drinking. Many say our own town is not affected so it does not affect us even tho same water comapny.
I say "I would rather play safe and boil the water then get the squits!" and wait for the comapny to give a global all clear.

there is that, but at least with your example there is evidence of impending health problems, however in this case there is little to support the need for an antivirus; no evidence of any great virus looming on the horizon, thus an antivirus precaution is to me overkill. who's to say that any mobile antivirus will even work? there's nothing to test these programs out with. The fact is that viruses are targeted at windows xp and vista pcs because almost everybody has them and they contain a lot of personal information. Mobile phones almost never have as much on them aside from contacts and perhaps random documents so to target a phone would never be as fruitful. anyone with any sense will encrypt sensitive information anyway as the likelihood of losing or having your phone stolen greatly outweighs the likelihood of a virus.
i think a better analogy would be to say that it would be like armour plating your car because you're heard about Securicor vans being hit for their money: the reality is that securicor vans have far more desirable contents for the higher-minded felon; your little phone (being the armour plated car) will only attract the attention of petty criminals.

I like your way of thinking and take it on board. The reason I bought the antivirus and firewall in the first place was that I will need to connect to my online bank when abroad and wanted to be belt and braces lest some hacker et al intercepts or whatever and takes me up the back passage!
However this may be down to my lack of knowledge of what is considered insure and secure etc.
I know I need to ensure when entering any sensitive data it should be done on a https site. Also my bank ensures its customeres their site is safe and secure. I just wanted to ensure my side is.
Also, this is no way intended to call for a flaming attack on me as I have read some very heated debates on this site which in a way tends to stiffle what people may want to say but do not due to fear of a back lash.
Re my issue I am a donating user of L26 v8 (was on v9 but have reverted) and now the only problem I have is the firewall not even starting. So to have to repeatedly ask for help and not to get even a yes or no but instead read post after post of off topic sniping grates a bit.
chef/cooks etc are the good guys and everyone appreciates the hard work they do, I would not know where to start, but bottom line is a simple acknowledgemnet would not go amis. After all is it too much to ask if a $30 application which worked on stock rom does not work on cooked?
I would not know where to start and for all I know neither would the gurus but they are in a more knowledgable position than I.
If a "sorry I dont know or definitely not" was fed back I could take it up with the application vendor/creator. But being in limbo is frustrating

Kaspersky does security stuff for WM, and had a free 30 day trial. I haven't had a rom that I've kept for more than 30 days so far anyway, so I've not hit any 30 day limits yet lol.
Chris

I would wager a bet that you're safer using internet banking with your pocket pc than a home pc over wifi (even with an antivirus).
Cooked ROMS invariably suffer compatibility issues which can have the most complicated or the simplest of explanations, however each differ from case to case.
Your problem may stem from wm6.1 itself - perhaps your antivirus is asking for rights to information that wm6.1's new coding will no longer afford it.
Did your antivirus work on any other 6.1 ROMs?
Remember 6.1 is brand new and I'm sure a number of software manufacturers are yet to fix all of their products to work with it.
Whatever the scenario you will be hard pushed to find many people in the cooking scene with ANY interest in mobile antivirus software as they are knowledgable enough to see the lack of need for it.
It would be a lot of time out of their schedule for something that would be insignificant to the majority of their downloaders, however I wouldn't personally flame you for asking.
For me a fix for the GPS issues in wm6.1 is a far greater concern.

Tis nice to have such open and friendly chat, I appreciate it thanks.
I have Airscanner anitvirus and firewall, two seperate applications. Both worked on the HTC stock 6.0 and 6.1 ROMS with no performance hit of problems.
I only run the av manually, I do not leave it running in background.
I leave fw running all the time and had no issues with it.
Since I installed l26 v8 and l26 v9 fw installs but when I try to run it it just displays a message 'error 2'
I understand now about the majority not being bothered, but I would have at least expected a yes or no from l26 just out of manners (this of course presuming l26 has read my posts and chose to ignore - apologies if I speak out of turn l26)
If I finally do not get a response from the chef after a reasonable time it would sour my view on donating in future which is a shame as in the end we are all only trying to help each other.
But after all is said and done, your comments on the 'real' threat makes me feel a little easier! Thanks ;-)

The Kaiser is the winner in PCPro's Smartphone test

In the current issue of PCPro magazine (UK) the Orange version of the Kaiser is chosen as the best smartphone in a comparative test.
I notice that the test lists the huge range of features that the Kaiser has as a big plus point, plus the keyboard.
Having had the Kaiser now for about three weeks, I am coming to the conclusion that the Kaiser is the technological equivalent of a Spork. A spork is a cross between a spoon and a fork. At the risk of being a little unfair, its not a very good spoon and its not a very good fork, but at least its one utensil rather than two. I wonder if the PCPro guys really tested out all of the Kaiser's functions (such as the camera - slow and no flash); or the video; or the less than intuitive functions, of which there appear to be quite a lot? In my experience, easy to use it ain't (although I admit to being a smartphone novice).
It has occured to me that the Kaiser is probably best suited to techno geeks rather than to your average user. I remember that years ago I bought an Iriver MP3 player rather than an Ipod, because it had more functions. Most of the iRiver message boards were concerned with how best to tweak the player, so that it would be easier to use (as easy to use and as intuitive as the Ipod). Eventually, I got fed up with the iRiver and bought an Ipod.
My conclusion after three weeks is that the Kaiser sells mainly on multi-functionality, whereas the Iphone sells on useability (and looks). As a non-techie (as most punters are) I think that the Iphone would probably have suited me better for internet and email. I hope to change my mind as I persevere with trying to get its various functions to work.

Who are you calling a techno geek?!?!
Oh yeah, that is me in a nutshell!

Thats why i got the Tilt over the iPhone though. I knew that i could customize and do tons more stuff on the tilt over the iPhone...maybe that just means i have too much time on my hands...
ps, i also got an iRiver over the iPod. my reasons were that i could treat it like a hd instead of tying myself to iTunes (i though you can go around iTunes, but thats besides the point).

If you wanted to browse the internet, the Kaiser is the way to go.
3.5G Kaiser v 2.5G iPhone............

rienzi said:
the Kaiser is the technological equivalent of a Spork.
It has occured to me that the Kaiser is probably best suited to techno geeks
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Possibly, as I do like to play with things! I kinda think of it as a Swiss Army Knife. Lots of little functions, and possibly a compromise as a result. Could it have a better GPS, Wifi, etc? Yes, but I bet that would effect battery life. Better multimedia support? Personally, I haven't had an issue with it, but out of the box an iPhone is tied to iTunes (does it have the issues with MP3's and WMA files that iPods have / had?). I like being able to sync my Kaiser with Windows Media player, or just pop my memory card into my laptop and copy over an MP3 manually.
Can I play with my phone, and just factory reset if it needs to go in for repair? Yes. Could I do that with the iPhone? Well, wasn't there that little issue with iPhones getting bricked when applying an official Apple upgrade on certain networks if you had 3rd party apps installed and voiding the warrenty?
You do need to play a bit with a Kaiser to get the most out of it, but this is a wonderful community and resource for doing just that. What are your issues with Internet and email? Have you tried the Opera browser to get around the internet issues? Personally, for sending / receiving email with and without attachments I have no issues. Maybe this is because I am a techno geek and have used PDA's for years. I'm sure that once you get your Kaiser setup the way you need, you'll be perfectly happy. I know that this has been the best 'out of the box' device I have had and any geek stuff I have done is just personal preference, I could have lived without it and not compromised the end result.

who called me techno geek!!?? x3!!
yup the kaiser is more like a swiss army knife x)!
with a world of possibilities!!..
just think a little .. microsoft has more time on the mobile market than apple x)

Steve-C said:
Possibly, as I do like to play with things! I kinda think of it as a Swiss Army Knife. Lots of little functions, and possibly a compromise as a result. Could it have a better GPS, Wifi, etc? Yes, but I bet that would effect battery life. Better multimedia support? Personally, I haven't had an issue with it, but out of the box an iPhone is tied to iTunes (does it have the issues with MP3's and WMA files that iPods have / had?). I like being able to sync my Kaiser with Windows Media player, or just pop my memory card into my laptop and copy over an MP3 manually.
Can I play with my phone, and just factory reset if it needs to go in for repair? Yes. Could I do that with the iPhone? Well, wasn't there that little issue with iPhones getting bricked when applying an official Apple upgrade on certain networks if you had 3rd party apps installed and voiding the warrenty?
You do need to play a bit with a Kaiser to get the most out of it, but this is a wonderful community and resource for doing just that. What are your issues with Internet and email? Have you tried the Opera browser to get around the internet issues? Personally, for sending / receiving email with and without attachments I have no issues. Maybe this is because I am a techno geek and have used PDA's for years. I'm sure that once you get your Kaiser setup the way you need, you'll be perfectly happy. I know that this has been the best 'out of the box' device I have had and any geek stuff I have done is just personal preference, I could have lived without it and not compromised the end result.
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yeah, the Swiss Army Knife analogy is a good one. The scissors and screwdrivers never seem to work well, but the knife is a good bit of kit overall.
I really do want to love my Kaiser and am making some progress with it. I can now receive the emails (i.e. those of my main pc email account) but still can't manage to send them. I keep getting the following error message from the server: '550 Administrative prohibition - relaying not allowed'. No idea what it means. I think I may have the outgoing mail server wrong somehow.
Incidentally, if I click on streamimg media and see the rtsp:// what do I do next in order to get, say a BBC broadcast?

well i constantly sign on aim and u cant do that on iPhone...among other things.

It has it's faults, we all know, but what phone with all these functions doesn't?? OH, thinking about it...no other phone has all these functions in this small footprint!!!
JUst a simple comment...I LOVE IT!!!
Sold two laptops as a result of using this phone and made a profit!!!
Can't beat that...

AT&T Tilt phone is Grand Champion
Top 10 Cell Phone Favorites for 2007 (PC World)
AT&T Tilt phone is Grand Champion.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140584-c,cellphones/article.html#

To me its like the difference between one of those really basic calculators with the really big buttons on the front (iphone) and a full on scientific graphing calculator that does everything (Kaiser). Yes the first one will do for most people and is easier to use, but for anyone who needs the functionality the scientific is the only option

i really do love my kaiser x)...
i had an iphone but.. i gave it to my sis..
its easy to use.. but.. i got bored with the same things allways!!
(youtube, phone, phone, youtube, music, etc)
now.. on my kaiser i have a C# compiler, it is more interesting for mee!
and a lot of games but.. (yup the drivers suck)
now im waiting for those drivers..
i think the kaiser is an amazing FULL Machine.. x)

Best Pda & Best Handheld
tkalli said:
Top 10 Cell Phone Favorites for 2007 (PC World)
AT&T Tilt phone is Grand Champion.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140584-c,cellphones/article.html#
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WINNER OF PDA ESSENTIALS AWARDS 2007 - BEST PDA & BEST HANDHELD
The HTC TyTN II (P4550/Kaiser) was given 9/10 from PDA Essentials with the Editors Choice Award "Quite simply as good as Windows Mobile has to offer, this is a stunning handheld"

rienzi said:
yeah, the Swiss Army Knife analogy is a good one. The scissors and screwdrivers never seem to work well, but the knife is a good bit of kit overall.
I really do want to love my Kaiser and am making some progress with it. I can now receive the emails (i.e. those of my main pc email account) but still can't manage to send them. I keep getting the following error message from the server: '550 Administrative prohibition - relaying not allowed'. No idea what it means. I think I may have the outgoing mail server wrong somehow.
Incidentally, if I click on streamimg media and see the rtsp:// what do I do next in order to get, say a BBC broadcast?
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That means you are sending via one server but as if from another.
Change your outgoing server to the correct one and use authentification.
To see streaming media, go to the relevant site and click the relevant link

The tilt is meant for geeks. That's true.
I had an 8525. I've never been so impressed and so happy with a phone. I could do literally everything i wanted. Then the iPhone cam out. I love macs, so I thought I'd give it a shot. I was bought by the intuitive browser and phone capabilities.
However, within the 6 months I had it, I felt the iPhone was directing me moreso than I directed the iPhone. I had to type a certain way for the keyboard (which was the weakpt) and had to deal with slow EDGE connections. Also, besides the cutesy programs like the program where you can take a pic and then put pirate hats on them (o wow.), there wasn't really much to offer.
I recently got a Tilt, now I'm wondering - why did I even stray in the first place?

creed said:
To me its like the difference between one of those really basic calculators with the really big buttons on the front (iphone) and a full on scientific graphing calculator that does everything (Kaiser). Yes the first one will do for most people and is easier to use, but for anyone who needs the functionality the scientific is the only option
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That is the best analogy right there.
And FWIW, I see no reason to ***** and moan about something NOT being "perfect" None of them are so for the sake of your own health and sanity lower your expectations a bit or you will find yourself constantly dissapointed.
The Kaiser/Tilt is a damn good device that is capable of a whole lot. Which makes it appeal to a very broad base of users Nuff said. You want perfect? Then either customize your Kaiser to fit YOUR needs (and be happy you actually have that option... <cough> iPhone </cough> )
Or design, build/manufacture your own.

rienzi said:
I keep getting the following error message from the server: '550 Administrative prohibition - relaying not allowed'. No idea what it means. I think I may have the outgoing mail server wrong somehow.
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Yep that would be the case! My ISP is plus.net in the UK for internet and email, my mobile phone provider is o2. Now on my laptop, to send email I use the server relay.plus.net. If I use the same one on the Kaiser (unless I'm on my home network connected via my wireless router) I get that error message. Changing the outgoing to server to smtp.o2.co.uk allows me to send email from the Kaiser when I'm out and about. The incoming mail server never changes. So what you need to do is find out what the outgoing mail server is for your mobile p-rovider, enter that in your settings and you should be good to go!
Liked your extra analogy to the swiss knife thingy, it may not be perfect, but what else has all the features that kinda do the job?

I confess
Yep - geek and proud - reckon the Kaiser is the best thing since sliced bread. Many moons ago the non-geeky devices were known amongst my fellow techies as "tarts' systems" politically incorrect expression now but I've been too long in the business to drop it and I've yet to find a more apt repost to people who denounce those of us with a healthy appreciation of technology as geeks!

patcooke said:
Yep - geek and proud - reckon the Kaiser is the best thing since sliced bread. Many moons ago the non-geeky devices were known amongst my fellow techies as "tarts' systems" politically incorrect expression now but I've been too long in the business to drop it and I've yet to find a more apt repost to people who denounce those of us with a healthy appreciation of technology as geeks!
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I have an appreciation of technology, but I don't think its good for my health! I am one of those unfortunate persons who love gadgets, but often does not know how to get them to work! At the moment i feel like a failed wannabee geek. I spent hours yesterday trying to get my pc email to synch with my kaiser, without success (the t- mobile wizard didn't work for me!). I still can't get streaming video to work either. I too hope to get to the point where I can say that the kaiser is the best thing since sliced bread
ps pat, I'm in Yorkshire too

File Sharing

Does anyone know of any file sharing programs which can be used on the AT&T tilt / Dutty's ROM v3 final? Something like limewire mobile? lol I know of WinMobile Torrent but thats not exactly what I am needing. Any ideas?
Thanks in Advance!

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I don't think 24 hours required a bump.
This board has openly stated in various places that it will not tolerate warez, therfore by you posting a request for warez sharing software on your PPC is not going to be warmly welcomed.
I know that there are legitimate uses for p2p systems, but the majority of it is not. Besides, I don't think most PDAs have the capacity do they!?

Elwyn M3100 said:
I don't think 24 hours required a bump.
This board has openly stated in various places that it will not tolerate warez, therfore by you posting a request for warez sharing software on your PPC is not going to be warmly welcomed.
I know that there are legitimate uses for p2p systems, but the majority of it is not. Besides, I don't think most PDAs have the capacity do they!?
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In response to your comment - I don't mean to be rude but was it really necessary? My question was regarding a P2P File sharing program for the pocket PC - thats it. I didn't ask for a "program to download warez" material, I didn't ask for something to share illegal porn, I didn't ask for anything illegal. As you mentioned - yes, there are a lot of legitimate uses of a P2P file sharing program, and thats exactly what I intend to use it for. I just felt it to be a little insulting that you felt it so necessary to discipline me for an act which required no actions. In conclusion - we are all here for the same reason; which is to help each other with Apps, flashing new ROM's, and to diagnose problems. Although I am very new here - I have gained and learned a lot from it - however, one very important thing i have learned is if someones actions are out of line or a post needs to be removed; a "moderator" will step in and control the situation.

Elwyn M3100 said:
I don't think 24 hours required a bump.
This board has openly stated in various places that it will not tolerate warez, therfore by you posting a request for warez sharing software on your PPC is not going to be warmly welcomed.
I know that there are legitimate uses for p2p systems, but the majority of it is not. Besides, I don't think most PDAs have the capacity do they!?
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I don't think p2p necessarily means warez - after all, IIRC, even Pocket PC Thoughts or AximSite frontpaged a p2p software review / announcement some one or two years ago...

Elwyn M3100 said:
I don't think 24 hours required a bump.
This board has openly stated in various places that it will not tolerate warez, therfore by you posting a request for warez sharing software on your PPC is not going to be warmly welcomed.
I know that there are legitimate uses for p2p systems, but the majority of it is not. Besides, I don't think most PDAs have the capacity do they!?
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You must live by the mantras of RIAA and MPAA, bad boy bad boy! *spanks*. You wouldn't call a person owning a car, a gun, an axe or a knitting needle a murderer just because the person has in his/her posession something that can be used to commit crimes. Heck, the main cause of criminal activities is our human brains, full of lust, desire, madness and irrational thoughts. BAN BRAINS!
I suggest you load up your favorite P2P application and download the completely free movie, "Steal This Film" 1 and 2 for some information and input on the general concept of sharing information and its groundbreaking role in developing our human communities from sticks 'n stones to p0rn and the Internet. Very interesting and a taste of "the other" side in this everlasting debate.
/Mac

Aside from the current discussion....Does anyone know of a good P2P file sharing program for the Pocket PC? LOL

I use WMTORRENT very beautiful and fast
Ciao

do you need to buy it. If you use the unregistered version will it still work and what are the limitations ??

what i do is use Remote desktop to log into my home computer start the downloading process, then use total commander to access my computer through ftp and load it to my phone that way i don't have to keep my phone on while its downloading from the torrent.

wow seems complicated..
anyhow i dont leave my home computer on all the time..
senario.. Im away from home for a week doing night shifts.
I downloaded a wmtorrent cab installed but have not cracked the program.
I'm trying to download a tv program.
It seems to be working just wondered if it will let me complete.play the file if its unregistered ?

I have been looking myself and haven't found much other than WinMobile Torrent. Instead I plan on trying the iPhone interface for uTorrent. I have used the original web interface before and its been quite reliable. Its quite nice to start tv show downloads while away from the house. My plan is to start them from my phone and have them go into a folder monitored by Orb to stream them to my phone.
http://www.davidraso.com/utorrent-iphone/
http://www.orb.com

Be careful...
If this thread turns into a conversation about WAREZ it will be closed.
Remember, we are walking afine line so we do have to be careful and considerate of other members here.

Old thread, but here's a working freeware Gnutella app for Windows Mobile.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359754

I had no idea gnutella is still working! Thx for links
I'm using wmTorrent and wmFTP server on my Kaiser (EOS4.888.FIRE rom) all work perfect, but i only turn on ftp when needed.
You know keeping bluetooth share open may give you some unexpected results in public places... I got plenty music files, some videos, few ebooks and others lol people love to share in general

Why the Diamond is likely to be many's (or at least my) last Windows Mobile Device

Right now the Diamond is the best phone on the market and that includes the iPhone. But I think it will be my last Windows Mobile phone, it all depends on whether Apple can fix the shortcomings of iPhone next time around. The main reasons I will jump is because
1) The iPhones slick UI and large screen
2) iPhone is getting better developer support than Windows Mobile - eg where are the windows mobile facebook, myspace and shaznam apps? they dont exist. Imagine the situation in 12 months!
3) Storage - 4GB is too small. 16 an above.. much nicer.
Things Apple need to improve for me to jump ship
- Bluetooth file exchange
-A2DP
-MMS
-Video calling
-Open up the phone - let me use it as a USB storage device, let me dump media on it without itunes
- VGA screen?
- Let me sync tasks over exchange
- Support external storage cards?
Thats really it for me, and they are getting close. I do love Windows Mobile but its the lack of developer support now that irks me. It never used to be this way, but now sadly use Windows Mobile users are being ignored.

First off, Apple loves to keep you in their little world, so you'll never be able to use an iPhone outside of iTunes to transfer files. Second, most of the Apps cost money, the WinMo availability of freeware is above and beyond IMO. Third, why not just wait around for a Touch Pro (up to 32GB) if you want memory card support? I agree with you in some ways, the iPhone has a very appealing UI and big screen, but I can't say I'll be converting any time soon. I'll leave the iPhone 3G to my girlfriend and be happy with a Touch Pro, whenever that may be. Best of luck with whichever device you choose, hope your cellular experience is a good one.

Well in terms of UI - yeah the Diamond works well. The main thing that concerns me is developer support, and im noticing this as my other half has a 3G iphone now. Nothing new is being developed for windows mobile, yet the app store continues to thrive.
Have you used facebook on iphone, its amazing - I can view all my contacts pictures in full screen high quality. Now the Diamond has a higher resolution screen.. so wheres its facebook app.. oh right there isnt one. Same with myspace, same with skybymobile, same with shaznam, same with ebay - there just isnt the support for windows mobile anymore, so this is going way beyond the matter of UI and frills
As for storage - come on! would it have killed HTC to put a micro SD slot in the Diamond? The Touch Pro is ugly and obese, not an option for me

I need communications.
What the f** should I want facebook and all those other crap site need for ???
If you need phone for entertainment get yourself that I phone. But I need it for my business and I'd be ashamed to hold up an I phone in front of customers.
It's that little toy thing, an I phone. The diamond isn't and does the job with sms, calling, exchange, activesyncing, emailing, easy to use, and some photo's videos just as good not better.
I get tired of these topics.

There's a program for eBay but it's $3.99 a month I think, as for MySpace, MySpace Mobile? I don't know, but once SkyFire releases it won't matter... It'll all be as good as we've ever seen it.

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As for storage - come on! would it have killed HTC to put a micro SD slot in the Diamond? The Touch Pro is ugly and obese, not an option for me
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Well I'm from the states, so of course I have no morals when it comes to obesity... Touch Pro for me!

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Things Apple need to improve for me to jump ship
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- Bluetooth file exchange
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Wasn't neither intruduced by iPhone 3G nor Firmware 2.0. How long do you want to wait for a feature that almost ANY other bluetooth-enabled device supports just on market appearance?
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-A2DP
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see above.
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-MMS
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see above. MMS ist just as old as bluetooth btw. I remember of my SonyEricsson T68i which was one of the first MMS mobiles that also had color screen and bluetooth.
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-Video calling
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see above. 3G iPhone claims to support UMTS. For me, video telephony is substantial part of UMTS. So what? Apple fooled you again.
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-Open up the phone
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This will NEVER happen. Apple even tries to hire hackers just to make their software more closed (They call it secure)
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- let me use it as a USB storage device, let me dump media on it without itunes
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Also unlikely to happen. Older iPods had this feature, has been disabled later on. I don' t think they' ll jump forward and backward all the time and just stay with how it is atm.
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- VGA screen?
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Maybe. Still Apple would come too late with this. Already (widely) available on the market.
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- Let me sync tasks over exchange
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Did you read iPhone 3G / Firmware 2.0 feature list? They claim Exchange is supported. But I am sure ActiveSync is not, so really only interesting for business customers with their own Exchange server. Yeah I knowthere is free Mail2Web provider, but I think they' ll discontinue their free service if enough are using it.
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- Support external storage cards?
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Maybe. But also unlikely.
BTW you forgot the possibility to change battery. LOL, guess my answer on that one.
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Thats really it for me, and they are getting close.
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You see, in fact they aren' t.

i know yr reaction it is not going to be pretty but i have to say this:
i hate this kind of threads. the forum is full with them, not all the ppl are satisfied with their diamond, i know, but is it necessary to share this here, in diamonds forum? what is the contribution of this kind of posts? i can even understand a noob that jump in with a stupid question but this....?
i think i am not the only one not interested in who and why is going to sell/not buy or move over from diamond.
as for comparisons between the diamond and ipod .......give me a break....there are more here and on the net then noobs per hour on this forum.
please, enough!
lol i am revenged. an over "300 posts" beaten to the pulp by a "23 posts".

Riel said:
I need communications.
What the f** should I want facebook and all those other crap site need for ???
If you need phone for entertainment get yourself that I phone. But I need it for my business and I'd be ashamed to hold up an I phone in front of customers.
It's that little toy thing, an I phone. The diamond isn't and does the job with sms, calling, exchange, activesyncing, emailing, easy to use, and some photo's videos just as good not better.
I get tired of these topics.
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sorry mate but I use the best of both worlds
exchange for corporate use and social networking for personal use.
Is that so wrong? The Diamond (or rather Windows Mobile) is fully capable, its just not being supported.

Black93300ZX said:
There's a program for eBay but it's $3.99 a month I think, as for MySpace, MySpace Mobile? I don't know, but once SkyFire releases it won't matter... It'll all be as good as we've ever seen it.
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Well Opera renders facebook/myspace pretty damn well but it cant display pictures in full screen like the iphone versions. The diamond has a damn gorgeous screen - just imagine viewing friends' holiday snaps in full screen? The possibilties are endless, the tech is being wasted.

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i can even understand a noob that jump in with a stupid question but this....?
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In fact you don' t even understand that. Or how was that again when I asked about that LED/Lightsensor thing and you hit me?

KukurikU said:
i know yr reaction it is not going to be pretty but i have to say this:
i hate this kind of threads. the forum is full with them, not all the ppl are satisfied with their diamond, i know, but is it necessary to share this here, in diamonds forum? what is the contribution of this kind of posts? i can even understand a noob that jump in with a stupid question but this....?
i think i am not the only one not interested in who and why is going to sell/not buy or move over from diamond. there are more comparisons between the diamond and ipod here, on the forum and on the net then noobs per hour on this forum.
please, enough!
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Wrong - this thread is very necessary. Its about improving the diamond through developement.
We all agree that the diamond has a fantastic spec right? Well how many apps out there are taking advantage of its technology? The facebook thing was an example. I mean there is not decent facebook app for a VGA screen - no shazam app for windows mobile professional at all. Im not comparing apples with oranges but the Diamond's features are not being fully exploited. Why are developers jumping ship? Windows mobile used to be kick ass for developer support.
We will have more high end WM devices soon, touch pro, omnia, xperia... so whats the excuse?

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Have you used facebook on iphone, its amazing - I can view all my contacts pictures in full screen high quality. Now the Diamond has a higher resolution screen.. so wheres its facebook app.. oh right there isnt one.
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I don't use facebook so I can not test it but this site claims to have a facebook app:
http://faceofmobile.com/

sandeman684 said:
I don't use facebook so I can not test it but this site claims to have a facebook app:
http://faceofmobile.com/
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friendmobilizer and snap2face do not work on vga devices. So we are back to square one. friendmobilizer is the worst - doesnt even support full screen images and looks ugly. No one is exploting the diamond's technology, and then we have the omnia,touch pro, xperia waiting in the rings - a whole host of VGA windows mobile devices that have no real support.

KukurikU said:
i know yr reaction it is not going to be pretty but i have to say this:
i hate this kind of threads. the forum is full with them, not all the ppl are satisfied with their diamond, i know, but is it necessary to share this here, in diamonds forum? what is the contribution of this kind of posts? i can even understand a noob that jump in with a stupid question but this....?
i think i am not the only one not interested in who and why is going to sell/not buy or move over from diamond.
as for comparisons between the diamond and ipod .......give me a break....there are more here and on the net then noobs per hour on this forum.
please, enough!
lol i am revenged. an over "300 posts" beaten to the pulp by a "23 posts".
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I think there should be a section called DIAMOND FEEDBACK... where everyone can slag off or praise the diamond as much as they like, not cluttering up the main forum. It would be the place to go to literally get feedback on what people think of their Diamonds. This wouldnt be too hard to implement, would it?

tomchap said:
I think there should be a section called DIAMOND FEEDBACK... where everyone can slag off or praise the diamond as much as they like, not cluttering up the main forum. It would be the place to go to literally get feedback on what people think of their Diamonds. This wouldnt be too hard to implement, would it?
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No one is slagging off the Diamond. I love mine, its a fantasic device - my concern is that windows mobile is losing developer support rapidly, and as a concequence the diamond has no real support for VGA apps that take advantage of its hardware.
I find it highly ironic that you accuse me of cluttering up the main forum when that same forum is full of redundant threads such as "lets try to copy that novelty beer app for the iphone"

Well, the diamond is out for what is it? 2 months now?
It's the wirst WIDELY used phone with VGA screen so MAYBE we have to wait a little for other apps to come??

Here we go again
Oh dear...
here we go again...
The Admins of XDA should create a forum under the Diamond section called iWhine - that way we can put all the rubbish in it and leave the actual Diamond forums...well... DIAMOND-ORIENTED!

Riel said:
Well, the diamond is out for what is it? 2 months now?
It's the wirst WIDELY used phone with VGA screen so MAYBE we have to wait a little for other apps to come??
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hold on so WE have to wait longer while the iphones app store thrives with more and more significant releases? There is a big problem with developer support for windows mobile at the moment and im not sure whose responsibility it is to turn things around.. Microsofts perhaps?

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Oh dear...
here we go again...
The Admins of XDA should create a forum under the Diamond section called iWhine - that way we can put all the rubbish in it and leave the actual Diamond forums...well... DIAMOND-ORIENTED!
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This is Diamond orientated. Did you even read the posts on this thread?

Anti-Virus for WP7

Being certified by Microsoft and specializing in Internet security, I know that Windows is the most targeted operating system for viruses, trojans, malware etc. Surely there must be an anti-virus by now for WP7.
After doing a search in the Market Place I didnt find any. There were anti-virus applications for WM6x, Iphone, Android and even Symbian but what about WP7. My guess is it wont be long before we need some sort of anti-virus protection for our devices. Picture this, you see a nice application from an independent website which wets your whistle. You install it by Toms Xap installer and your phone goes off. You try to restart but it refuses. The boot screen comes up with a message saying you are a victim of a virus which has now rendered your phone into a very expensive paper weight. It is possible and installing Xap applications through Toms Xap installer makes us even more exposed to malicious applications. WP7 Market Place scans applications and games to make sure you are protected. I'm not trying to scare people here so please dont get me wrong but I am trying to open peoples eyes and urge you to be cautious when installing applications which are not from WP7 Market Place or Xda.
I thought I would create this threat for the Xda community to share their views on this.

Personally I wont bother, its up to the users. Its all documented on Google.
see here: http://www.techgazing.com/2010/01/11/do-i-need-an-anti-virus-for-my-phone/
Russ

I would have to say that is a very interesting read. Nothing in there were mentioned about WP7. All I am saying is to be careful. That article claims there are 420 mobile phone viruses and most targeted is Symbian. This is because Symbian have been out longer than Android, Iphone and WM. Symbian certainly bought out more phones over the years so this would explain why they were targeted.
The case where the anti-virus company actually had a virus and passed it on through updates was shocking. That should never have happened and was very negligent of the anti-virus company.
Although people may think it will never happen to them, for the occasional few it does. People take out mobile phone insurance but how any people claim insurance? Why pay money for insurance when you dont take measures to backup your data and protect your device?
The internet is full of traps and data collecting nasties and you never can be sure that what ever you are downloading is 100% safe. Dont you think better to be safe than sorry should be a moto well remembered?

What you are missing is the fact that WP7 apps run completely sandboxed - they cannot reach out of their own little world.
Sure, installing a homebrew app which includes native code may circumvent this but I'd say that's the risk you take when geeking around with your phone

I think an antivirus-software is a totally useless investion of money for now.
You say, windows is the most targetted OS for viruses. Yeah, for sure, because most of people use it.
But its another thing if you look onto the mobile operating systems. The users are spread in 3-4 groups there: WM, Android, iOS and maybe the Blackberry OS.
So the virus-programmers need to choose first, for which platform they are going to write some malicious code. They are never gonna hit that much users as they would hit with Windows for Desktop.
I never heard of any popular virus for any mobilephone including WM-phones.
Secondly, WP7 is a totally new OS. For now, the count of people using this OS is way lower than that of Android and iOS - Users.
So why should hackers choose WP7 especially now as their victim?
My opinion for my last 5 years of using mobile operating systems is: You dont need it.
You have the same ability for sideloading apps with android and iOS too for now and they are much longer on the market than the new WP7 and I never heard of any viruses.

Anti-virus software is a complete waste of money, i dont use it on any of my 3 windows computers or any phones...

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I never heard of any popular virus for any mobilephone including WM-phones.
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Norton and Kaperski have both had anti-virus on Symbian and WM
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Anti-virus software is a complete waste of money, i dont use it on any of my 3 windows computers or any phones...
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OMG are you trying to commit online suicide lol

AndHD2 said:
Norton and Kaperski have both had anti-virus on Symbian and WM
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read my post again. I didnt mean anti-virus-software, I meant viruses!

mideel said:
read my post again. I didnt mean anti-virus-software, I meant viruses!
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I think I had a Homer Simpson moment then.....Duh lol

i do not think antivirus on Phone is necessary. it will rather slow down stuff.

There is only 1 (ONE) existing virus for WM 6.x. Funny enough it was created by Kaspersky in order to demonstrate that viruses are possible and ppl should install AV software
Viruses for WP7 are almost useless as apps are completely sandboxed. Same thing with iOS. Only Android offers enough freedom for malicious code and then again only if rooted.

AndHD2 said:
Being certified by Microsoft and specializing in Internet security, I know that Windows is the most targeted operating system for viruses, trojans, malware etc. Surely there must be an anti-virus by now for WP7.
After doing a search in the Market Place I didnt find any. There were anti-virus applications for WM6x, Iphone, Android and even Symbian but what about WP7. My guess is it wont be long before we need some sort of anti-virus protection for our devices. Picture this, you see a nice application from an independent website which wets your whistle. You install it by Toms Xap installer and your phone goes off. You try to restart but it refuses. The boot screen comes up with a message saying you are a victim of a virus which has now rendered your phone into a very expensive paper weight. It is possible and installing Xap applications through Toms Xap installer makes us even more exposed to malicious applications. WP7 Market Place scans applications and games to make sure you are protected. I'm not trying to scare people here so please dont get me wrong but I am trying to open peoples eyes and urge you to be cautious when installing applications which are not from WP7 Market Place or Xda.
I thought I would create this threat for the Xda community to share their views on this.
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Apparently the certificate and specialization doesn't help much when there is lack of reading. Sorry, you've started your post with that sentence and it only makes you look silly.
If you've read even ONE review of this OS you'd realize that it lacks multitasking! That saidb there is no possibility (yet) of an application (AV) running in the background to check files/processes. Besides this OS is so closed you can't even download unsupported files! Today I couldn't download a simple .rar archive - it said that WP7 doesn't support this filetype
As for sideloading applications it's not officially supported by MS so it's just one of the "risks" advanced users need to cope with as Microsoft is checking each application before posting it on the marketplace. Plus the applications written are all in managed code and we don't even have access to system functions. Even simple functions like reading the battery percentage are unsupported.
So there is technically an extremely low risk of viruses in this pretty much closed OS.

I can't imagine AV's impact on already poor battery performance on HD2 WM7.

P$YCH0 said:
Apparently the certificate and specialization doesn't help much when there is lack of reading. Sorry, you've started your post with that sentence and it only makes you look silly.
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Agreed. And most of us are used to flashing a new ROM every week, which is all you'd really need to do to recover from a 'virus'. I'm struggling to see what the danger is, especially on WP7.

Poor battery performance?
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I can't imagine AV's impact on already poor battery performance on HD2 WM7.
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What exactly are you doing to cause poor battery performance with WP7 on your HD2? It is probably the best battery life I have had on my phone other than an energy rom.

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What exactly are you doing to cause poor battery performance with WP7 on your HD2? It is probably the best battery life I have had on my phone other than an energy rom.
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i think most ppl who say something about poor battery perfomance on wp7 hd2 never used push mail on their phones

whats more likely is that you get a virus on you PC that trashes your phone on flash.
ah the good old days when virus wiped BIOSs and totally ruined your day.
I think its highly unlikely anything could happn on the device its self for the reasons mentioned above, worst case you could hard reset, unlike PCs most stuff is backed up, hopefully everything soon (Myphone please MS!!) and it takes a few min to reinstall, doing the same on your PC would mean a day watching movies whilst you set it all back up again.

Obviously this is a pretty safe OS, but if they do get something like Lookout Security I'll get it, simply for peace of mind.

virus/worm problem
I landed here after a search for antivirus for wp7. i use a htc hd7 chevron unlocked and over the last two days i experienced unwanted outgoing email on my live.com account. i use live.com account on the phone and also on PC via live.com and also using outlook connector...
how can i check which is affected with a virus - pc scan using avg shows clean. the unwanted emails go out apparantly when my pc is off - so is the virus on my wp7 or actually on live.com?
according to this post, there couldnt be a virus on wp7 is it??
any help/thoughts will be much appreciated.
TIA

I think my HD2/WP7 has something dodgy monitoring my actions as after I registered my debit card with the Market & made the first 79p payment for the XDA app I get a dodgy email to my Live email claiming to be from my bank saying there has been unusual activity with a html attachment.
This is a fake, but they new my bank and Live email address and the fact that I made some unusual activity: as in the 79p app.
WP7 is open somewhere!