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Loose D-Pad

I have searched for this but only seem to be able to find one reference to it but no replies so maybe Im the only one......
I have had my Kaiser for a bout a month - not used extensively yet but noticed only a few days ago that the D-Pad is loose in its seating - it appears to be excessively so and "wiggles" quite a lot.
either this is just me...or being new to HTC, its normal. Can anyone confirm/deny
thanks

Mine is loose too...

Mine too, and was loose from day one...

noticed mine yesterday too... could see the led on it
Might open it over the weekend to see if its a case of tightning or adding something to the keys to mak e it tighter

I also thought i was the only one, been like that since unboxing, it's looseness is kind of annoying

Noticed mine after about a week, and also two more which were literally just out of the box.
It's annoying, but I'm prepared to live with it. Form wise it's one of the better build qualities and I'm still generally over the moon with it. Just wish it ran like an iphone! bought someone an ipod touch the other day and man it's so damn pretty!! I just kept telling myself that my phone does all the iphone does and more, UI wise it's just a little more plain-jane hehe.
Ant

the tytn ii is way better than iphone; better everything - no-one should need to tell you that
iphone is a girly phone. all it does is look pretty
apart from d-pad, im very chuffed with mine. also now running pocketmusic 5 on it and that makes it as good a music player.

Mine is loose too, but i just kind of got used to it.
it does seem like some of the shiny finish is starting to chip off though. that annoys me a bit more.

I had to send my tytn II off for repair due to another issue. Calls/texts would not work while in 3g areas. Anyways I got the phone back and noticed this aswell about the d-pad, but I wasnt sure if it was like that before I send it off. But I really notice it now and it annoys me, all in all tho apart from that its a fantasic phone. Glad I not the only one with this problem.

i notied mine is lose to this week ...

Ok, this loose d-pad issue was raised before and it is not a problem. All TyTn IIs have about 1mm of play. The d-pad has a "lip" which is seated under the front bezel. It will not fall out and it is a standard part of the design - just ignore it it does not cause problems.
Mike

Mandiven said:
I had to send my tytn II off for repair due to another issue. Calls/texts would not work while in 3g areas. Anyways I got the phone back and noticed this aswell about the d-pad, but I wasnt sure if it was like that before I send it off. But I really notice it now and it annoys me, all in all tho apart from that its a fantasic phone. Glad I not the only one with this problem.
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The "looseness" is part of the design. The D-pad is subjected to finger pressure all the time it is used, it is expected to have some free-play movement.

My d-pad has also this kind of "looseness"
But this is very strange because this looseness is only on the left side of the d-pad. It seems to me that something has been broken!
Melkor

I've got the same problem.
I solved it with a small piece of screenprotector which I placed on top of the d-pad beneath the edge.

Noticed that the first thing I took it out of the box. Not a big deal to me.

Melkor said:
My d-pad has also this kind of "looseness"
But this is very strange because this looseness is only on the left side of the d-pad. It seems to me that something has been broken!
Melkor
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No it's not broken. What is unusual is that yours only slides about on one side - most slide around all round (slightly more on top / bottom edges. I think if you tried a little more force it would slide all round. It really is not a fault and not a problem. (the pad merely sits on top of the actual switches and is not connected to them - so the movement is of no consequence)
Mike

Yeah, that's normal, mine too... This is the new HTC quality ...
Really, this device sucks !!!!!!!!!!!
- Not good for gaming
- Not good for playing videos
- Bad quality D-pad
- Keyboard not very good (worse than the original TYTN one) from my point of view
And all of that for around 700 € ... !!!!
Anyone who want to buy a new pocket pc, please think twice before choosing the Kai-**** !
The more I use it, the more I hate it ... I have it for about two weeks now and I still prefere to use my HTC prophet !

michalopoulosgk said:
The "looseness" is part of the design. The D-pad is subjected to finger pressure all the time it is used, it is expected to have some free-play movement.
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Can you please explain where is the interest of this looseness ? I had many pocketpc before this one (and 2 x HTC's), and it is the first time I meet this looseness. And from my point of view, yes , it is annoying !
I hate the feeling I have when pressing the pad or the buttons, when you should have a high quality machine (700 € ...) it is disapointing to feel the buttons moving under your fingers.

When I recieved my first Tilt, the D-Pad was very loose. Also, the UP button had to be mashed a little hard for it to work. It would do the 'click', but wouldn't engage unless you pressed a little harder. This was happening from the minute I took it out of the box. It was very annoying so I returned it for a new one. The new phone D-Pad is not loose at all and works perfectly. I've had this second Tilt now since about 10 days after release, so it's received quite a bit of use. Not sure what's up, but there was something wrong with the first Tilt I received.

Creaking

Hey guys, first of all great forum. Anyway I was wondering if any of you guys get a small creaking sound when you tilt your screen up and down? Its really sad but these things kinda bother me. thanks

I don't, my tilts up fine. Your hinges could be getting rusty.

anyones tilt doesnt stay tilted??? =) like u tilt it up and then it will go back down..

no sounds
get it checked

is the mechanism adjustable as this may help....I would like to adjust mine because when I hold the case when it's closed it will go slilghtly ajar and seems like it should be tighter. Does anyone know how to adjust these?

Ok These are Springs that cause all this, the creaking, the ajarness.
And If I can offer some advise. If you do go trying to replace this part, which you can do. Please wear eye protection.

Lol replacing those would probably be hard and not a good idea, Tytn II looks to have a pretty complicated body.

mata_mosca said:
Hey guys, first of all great forum. Anyway I was wondering if any of you guys get a small creaking sound when you tilt your screen up and down? Its really sad but these things kinda bother me. thanks
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LOL, so funny. I recently received a replacement Tilt, and it had the creaking like you mentioned. I thought I was being crazy, but it really bothered me, so I called them and had them send a new replacement out. The new one no longer creaks, and
I feel much better

brian_v3ntura said:
anyones tilt doesnt stay tilted??? =) like u tilt it up and then it will go back down..
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Yeah, mine got really loose and wouldn't stay up, and it was also really sloppy, i.e. the screen would wobble back and forth when it was open. As it turned out I was able to fix it myself by popping the unit open, and inside the body there are 4 screws (once you get to them) that hold the hinges in and control their tension. I tightened the screws and have had no problems since. I got the disassembly instructions from the Wiki, they were in Russian but the pictures were explicit enough.

Newb Here

Hey everyone. You probably hate these post, just wanted to say hi. I recently upgraded from my 6800 Mogul to the HTC Touch Pro. I must say I really enjoy it thus far. Thats why I'm here. To help, learn, and get the most out of my device. Thanks

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Hey everyone. You probably hate these post, just wanted to say hi. I recently upgraded from my 6800 Mogul to the HTC Touch Pro. I must say I really enjoy it thus far. Thats why I'm here. To help, learn, and get the most out of my device. Thanks
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Welcome! we do not hate introduction posts lol
we are always glad to have new enthusiastic members!

Boostking said:
Hey everyone. You probably hate these post, just wanted to say hi. I recently upgraded from my 6800 Mogul to the HTC Touch Pro. I must say I really enjoy it thus far. Thats why I'm here. To help, learn, and get the most out of my device. Thanks
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Nice! I can't wait to get my Touch 3G I am sure the extra umph power is always good. Tell us more about your Touch Pro how is it going with shipped ROM?

I am on Sprint. Thus far its a far superior phone to my 6800 which I really did love. The fit and finish is very nice, the tolerances seem nice, and there are a lot less buttons to create little crevaces for dirt. I have added some normal apps to it like google maps, musicID and dashwire. This thing is very very fast. I wish it had a bit more rigid screen however the VGA screen on this is very nice, it just could feel a bit more firm. It is loaded with great things, moves quickly, and the mercury switches in it are very very sensitive. So far so good. I'm looking for some cool apps, tricks and other things to make this thing more fun.

Boostking said:
I am on Sprint. Thus far its a far superior phone to my 6800 which I really did love. The fit and finish is very nice, the tolerances seem nice, and there are a lot less buttons to create little crevaces for dirt. I have added some normal apps to it like google maps, musicID and dashwire. This thing is very very fast. I wish it had a bit more rigid screen however the VGA screen on this is very nice, it just could feel a bit more firm. It is loaded with great things, moves quickly, and the mercury switches in it are very very sensitive. So far so good. I'm looking for some cool apps, tricks and other things to make this thing more fun.
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One of my friends has the same phone - also by sprint, but it seems to lack the mercury switches; odd.

Believe it or not, I was going to go for the touch pro, but decided against it as it came in black. Got sick of black gadgets now let's throw some colour in.

zeezee said:
One of my friends has the same phone - also by sprint, but it seems to lack the mercury switches; odd.
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perhaps its not mercury switches. someone told me thats what they are called. I'm talking about those little sensors that allow you to flip and rotate things by changing the landscape of the phone.

zocster said:
Believe it or not, I was going to go for the touch pro, but decided against it as it came in black. Got sick of black gadgets now let's throw some colour in.
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I actually picked it up in the silver...I think the black looks better, but it smudges a lot and this one stays relatively clean looking.

Boostking said:
I actually picked it up in the silver...I think the black looks better, but it smudges a lot and this one stays relatively clean looking.
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Sheesh I have to check out the sprint website. I can't see it anywhere on expansys other than black!

Boostking said:
perhaps its not mercury switches. someone told me thats what they are called. I'm talking about those little sensors that allow you to flip and rotate things by changing the landscape of the phone.
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I actually picked it up in the silver...I think the black looks better, but it smudges a lot and this one stays relatively clean looking.
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Physical rotation of the phone rotates the phone portrait? Those are mercury switches.
also, you can edit posts instead of double posting

zeezee said:
Physical rotation of the phone rotates the phone portrait? Those are mercury switches.
also, you can edit posts instead of double posting
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are you saying your friends phone didnt have the switches, or am i just confused cause its late.??
and yeah, i havent been on a forum in a long long time

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are you saying your friends phone didnt have the switches, or am i just confused cause its late.??
and yeah, i havent been on a forum in a long long time
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My friends phone doesn't have the switches.

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My friends phone doesn't have the switches.
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You mean the G-sensor right? lol. I've never heard of mercury switches. And I don't see how they could be missing??? Hmm. Tell him to install G-sen and that other app gyrator 2 or something like that in the diamond forum. It should fix his problem.

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You mean the G-sensor right? lol. I've never heard of mercury switches. And I don't see how they could be missing??? Hmm. Tell him to install G-sen and that other app gyrator 2 or something like that in the diamond forum. It should fix his problem.
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Theoretically in my mind i think the term "mercury switches" makes perfect sense. This is how i see it; mercury is a liquid metal thus conductive and free to move with the pull of gravity. Imagine the mercury switch as like a 2D diamond shape - 4 corners with a drop of mercury inside. So when for example, you rotate the phone (only 4 distinct directions) upside down the mercury will close the "upside down/top corner of the diamond" circuit, thus signaling the software to change/rotate accordingly.
Otherwise maybe you could use a ball-bearing (which would not be silent like the mercury when it moves)

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Theoretically in my mind i think the term "mercury switches" makes perfect sense. This is how i see it; mercury is a liquid metal thus conductive and free to move with the pull of gravity. Imagine the mercury switch as like a 2D diamond shape - 4 corners with a drop of mercury inside. So when for example, you rotate the phone (only 4 distinct directions) upside down the mercury will close the "upside down/top corner of the diamond" circuit, thus signaling the software to change/rotate accordingly.
Otherwise maybe you could use a ball-bearing (which would not be silent like the mercury when it moves)
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Now that you've explained it, it does make more sense.

Touch screen. What can I use beside my finger?

Coming from a Touch Pro where anything worked as a stylus,
I started trying different things to see what I could get to work for a situation when I'd rather use a stylus. Needless to say, I haven't had much luck.
I also discovered the dang thing doesn't work with gloves on. Which will really suck for you northerners trying to text or answer your phone at a football game.
Any tricks? It's not a huge deal, I'm just curious what makes the thing work.
Sorry if this has been discussed, I tried searching touch screen and screen sensor. If there's already a topic on it, please send me in the right direction and close this topic.

pretty sure you are seeing the differences between a resistive and a capacitive touch screen. Resistive works on pressure - hence anything working.
Capacitive works on current. Your finger passes current to the screen, which it registers. Gloves dont work since they dont pass the current through (I do recall seeing some gloves with a metal bead in the fingertips to pass the current though)
Soo there you have it. Theoretically, anything that can pass the current from your finger to your phone should work, but be careful with the screen.

Finger shaped sausages.

Sausages and the type of bags your hard drives/graphic cards usually come in. Can try wrapping them around a pen or something, I guess.

I've read that electro static protection plastic wrapped over a stylus works.
Hard drives come covered with it. (grey color usually with lines across it)

A toe may work if your hands are full and you have to send a text.

How about your nose?

Could always try using your tongue.

there are a few organic stylus options that are available.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/official-htc-capacitive-stylus-for-hd2-now-shipping/

grb said:
Coming from a Touch Pro where anything worked as a stylus,
I started trying different things to see what I could get to work for a situation when I'd rather use a stylus. Needless to say, I haven't had much luck.
I also discovered the dang thing doesn't work with gloves on. Which will really suck for you northerners trying to text or answer your phone at a football game.
Any tricks? It's not a huge deal, I'm just curious what makes the thing work.
Sorry if this has been discussed, I tried searching touch screen and screen sensor. If there's already a topic on it, please send me in the right direction and close this topic.
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use your nose to unlock it when you are wearing gloves!

Just use the gift all men share haha.

McFroger3 said:
Just use the gift all men share haha.
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This thread was just inviting an answer like that

You can use your foot, elbow, of phallus, not neccesarily in that order.

Clearly were a gentleman (?) viewing prawn, then he might consider using his c**k....
Cheers!
Lodger
(Might make an interesting warranty claim in some circumstances...)

McFroger3 said:
Just use the gift all men share haha.
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...A brain?

LOL.
I've used my tongue before It's hard to see where you're pressing, but it works

march7th said:
...A brain?
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Yes in your other head.

I've found that a AAA battery works quite nicely. Only one side works, though, and I don't recall whether it was positive it negative.

Just put a small hole in you glove and touch the screen, with your finger through it. I am in Canada, and it is cold, but I don't wear gloves, and if I do, they are pretty thick to make hole though.
btw: this is my first post

Defective hardware keyboard, It is curving!

Hi!
I searched a bit around internet and this is not so uncomon issue, so i started this thread, to see how common it is.
In mine case first curving of keyboard appeared in 2 months. At first it seems innocent, just a little higher keyboard, just not perfectly flat anymoe. But than buttons rly become curved and the whole keyboard moves up a little. Now some letter at the top are comming off already! I see the light through holes in keyboard, i realy didnt expect this from a phone like this, as hardware quality is overall very good. Except for keyboard i suppose... Now it makes very much noise typing..
At some forum i found verizon replaced this curving with no issue, but i dont realy want to send it into repair, in my case it would last 1-2 months, i know it sucks..
So i was wondering abaut gluing it, but first i will probably buy replecement for ~10EUR and use superglue all over edges, expecialy bottom, but i don't seem to find any instruction on removing keyboard on the google, even youtube only has dissasembly for internals. I tried with nails a little and it seems keyboard will eventualy come off by itself lol...
Very dissapointed, anyone else has this, or is this not so common and i should make a waranty request?