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Anyone else notice the main keypad under the screen (the whole thing) sits loose under the brushed aluminum front face? Just curious if mine is bad or they all are that way. Thanks.
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rdtce said:
Anyone else notice the main keypad under the screen (the whole thing) sits loose under the brushed aluminum front face? Just curious if mine is bad or they all are that way. Thanks.
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yeah..i think its been discuss already,your not the only one with that problem,mine seems like its getting worse.
Just to inform that mine is no problem. I got Kaiser since first week of September and the keyboard still fine.
In fact, I dont use it quite often nowadays because I am getting used to the Pocket CM Keyboard !
http://www.pocketcm
I can type very fast with pocketcm keyboard and I have my own keyboard layout with all keys that I want.
gogol said:
Just to inform that mine is no problem. I got Kaiser since first week of September and the keyboard still fine.
In fact, I dont use it quite often nowadays because I am getting used to the Pocket CM Keyboard !
http://www.pocketcm
I can type very fast with pocketcm keyboard and I have my own keyboard layout with all keys that I want.
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Acutally, they are talking about the dpad area... the whole group of buttons there (Send/End/Start/OK/etc) is loose. I'm in the same boat.
Prolly should take a poll, since some are tight and not moving, like mine, I'd perhaps consider asking for a replacement.
RemE said:
Prolly should take a poll, since some are tight and not moving, like mine, I'd perhaps consider asking for a replacement.
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I think you guys are worrying a bit over nothing. It's just a plate that has a fraction of a millimetre around it that lets it move a little. It cannot get worse as it slides under the faceplate and therefore will never fall out. It does not have the switches attached. They are perfectly firm underneath. It's just a fancy plate/cover, it's not glued or screwed in place but merely held in by the lip that runs underneath the faceplate. Not an issue really -forget about it in my view.
Mike
I was just curious...I think it is designed that way. No big deal really
rdtce said:
I was just curious...I think it is designed that way. No big deal really
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Nothing wrong with being curious. You are correct it is designed that way and in that sense it's not a fault. It might bother some people, but I just wanted to re-assure anyone that thought it was a fault and might get worse. They are all like that though some may be a little more free to move than others.
Cheers
Mike
PS apologies if I sounded blunt or dismissive, did not mean it that way. I know it bothers (or makes people curious!) not just here but on other fora.
most dpad assembly moves...like the 810 pro and 838 pro..
it's design like that...
I have searched for this but only seem to be able to find one reference to it but no replies so maybe Im the only one......
I have had my Kaiser for a bout a month - not used extensively yet but noticed only a few days ago that the D-Pad is loose in its seating - it appears to be excessively so and "wiggles" quite a lot.
either this is just me...or being new to HTC, its normal. Can anyone confirm/deny
thanks
Mine is loose too...
Mine too, and was loose from day one...
noticed mine yesterday too... could see the led on it
Might open it over the weekend to see if its a case of tightning or adding something to the keys to mak e it tighter
I also thought i was the only one, been like that since unboxing, it's looseness is kind of annoying
Noticed mine after about a week, and also two more which were literally just out of the box.
It's annoying, but I'm prepared to live with it. Form wise it's one of the better build qualities and I'm still generally over the moon with it. Just wish it ran like an iphone! bought someone an ipod touch the other day and man it's so damn pretty!! I just kept telling myself that my phone does all the iphone does and more, UI wise it's just a little more plain-jane hehe.
Ant
the tytn ii is way better than iphone; better everything - no-one should need to tell you that
iphone is a girly phone. all it does is look pretty
apart from d-pad, im very chuffed with mine. also now running pocketmusic 5 on it and that makes it as good a music player.
Mine is loose too, but i just kind of got used to it.
it does seem like some of the shiny finish is starting to chip off though. that annoys me a bit more.
I had to send my tytn II off for repair due to another issue. Calls/texts would not work while in 3g areas. Anyways I got the phone back and noticed this aswell about the d-pad, but I wasnt sure if it was like that before I send it off. But I really notice it now and it annoys me, all in all tho apart from that its a fantasic phone. Glad I not the only one with this problem.
i notied mine is lose to this week ...
Ok, this loose d-pad issue was raised before and it is not a problem. All TyTn IIs have about 1mm of play. The d-pad has a "lip" which is seated under the front bezel. It will not fall out and it is a standard part of the design - just ignore it it does not cause problems.
Mike
Mandiven said:
I had to send my tytn II off for repair due to another issue. Calls/texts would not work while in 3g areas. Anyways I got the phone back and noticed this aswell about the d-pad, but I wasnt sure if it was like that before I send it off. But I really notice it now and it annoys me, all in all tho apart from that its a fantasic phone. Glad I not the only one with this problem.
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The "looseness" is part of the design. The D-pad is subjected to finger pressure all the time it is used, it is expected to have some free-play movement.
My d-pad has also this kind of "looseness"
But this is very strange because this looseness is only on the left side of the d-pad. It seems to me that something has been broken!
Melkor
I've got the same problem.
I solved it with a small piece of screenprotector which I placed on top of the d-pad beneath the edge.
Noticed that the first thing I took it out of the box. Not a big deal to me.
Melkor said:
My d-pad has also this kind of "looseness"
But this is very strange because this looseness is only on the left side of the d-pad. It seems to me that something has been broken!
Melkor
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No it's not broken. What is unusual is that yours only slides about on one side - most slide around all round (slightly more on top / bottom edges. I think if you tried a little more force it would slide all round. It really is not a fault and not a problem. (the pad merely sits on top of the actual switches and is not connected to them - so the movement is of no consequence)
Mike
Yeah, that's normal, mine too... This is the new HTC quality ...
Really, this device sucks !!!!!!!!!!!
- Not good for gaming
- Not good for playing videos
- Bad quality D-pad
- Keyboard not very good (worse than the original TYTN one) from my point of view
And all of that for around 700 € ... !!!!
Anyone who want to buy a new pocket pc, please think twice before choosing the Kai-**** !
The more I use it, the more I hate it ... I have it for about two weeks now and I still prefere to use my HTC prophet !
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The "looseness" is part of the design. The D-pad is subjected to finger pressure all the time it is used, it is expected to have some free-play movement.
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Can you please explain where is the interest of this looseness ? I had many pocketpc before this one (and 2 x HTC's), and it is the first time I meet this looseness. And from my point of view, yes , it is annoying !
I hate the feeling I have when pressing the pad or the buttons, when you should have a high quality machine (700 € ...) it is disapointing to feel the buttons moving under your fingers.
When I recieved my first Tilt, the D-Pad was very loose. Also, the UP button had to be mashed a little hard for it to work. It would do the 'click', but wouldn't engage unless you pressed a little harder. This was happening from the minute I took it out of the box. It was very annoying so I returned it for a new one. The new phone D-Pad is not loose at all and works perfectly. I've had this second Tilt now since about 10 days after release, so it's received quite a bit of use. Not sure what's up, but there was something wrong with the first Tilt I received.
Hey guys, I was just wondering if anyone else has this issue? My thumb pad at the bottom of the Tilt; where the answer call, end call, e-mail, IE . . etc; move around. R your pads solid or do they move around too? If mine is the only one I'm getting my warranty on that thing!! Thanx for the help.
mine is like that too.. its a htc quality control issue. i posted a long thread about it.. my buddys does the same thing but my other buddys doesnt.
same here
same here..
at first i thought this would be a problem..but i guess it is not...
let me know
Ironically, I found out about that today as well. I don't think it is a major issue, but if it does escalate, you can use your warranty.
We've been down this road this week. There is already a thread out there and the bottom line is just like the service guy says at the BMW dealer: "Oh! Yeah! They all do that!"
Same here
Mine does that, ive been through 3 this week, and the ones in the store do it too. Its about to be the end of this damn phone for me.
Do y'all not realize that it's supposed to move like that? the silver piece of plastic with all the buttons on it also has a lip that's underneath. It is supposed to slide up and down a tad and not much from left to right. If you examine it closely, you'll also see that there really is no way this can fade or get super loose over time..
another question: can i replace this silver thing anyway? coz my windows logo broke a lil bit and now it looks like a door
my sim free kaiser keypad did that too - the keys on my vario3 are however different, and fit more snugly into the chasis - i think htc thought the keys would be more flush with the chasis,hopingthat would stop them from moving around - pretty sure this is a QA issue :S
Hello there, XDA.
This thread is more for an ensurance for me that I've done nothing wrong when using my phone - and it might show up that some other people have the same problem as I do.
Now, to the thingie. Bought a HTC Diamond about 3 months ago - working just fine. Although about 3-4 weeks ago I realized that when I tilt my screen, I can see some crazy stuff going on... There is two pictures attached and linked to further down.
Anyone else has this problem? Would be lovely to hear what you've done. I sent an e-mail to HTC and the manu... manufactourer-/or~ (spelling :b).
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6462/htcbrokenkx4.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2473/htcbroken2wl7.jpg
i haven't got that problem, and that doesn't look good at all for you
jewhaen said:
Hello there, XDA.
This thread is more for an ensurance for me that I've done nothing wrong when using my phone - and it might show up that some other people have the same problem as I do.
Now, to the thingie. Bought a HTC Diamond about 3 months ago - working just fine. Although about 3-4 weeks ago I realized that when I tilt my screen, I can see some crazy stuff going on... There is two pictures attached and linked to further down.
Anyone else has this problem? Would be lovely to hear what you've done. I sent an e-mail to HTC and the manu... manufactourer-/or~ (spelling :b).
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6462/htcbrokenkx4.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2473/htcbroken2wl7.jpg
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That just looks like moisture between the screen protector and the screen itself.
Odd that it's in a perfect rectangle. I've seen this before on a mates LG Viewty (Horrible phone!), but he never followed it up so I don't know what the cause was. It did have a touch screen, but no protector. Perhaps its moisture actually in the screen or a manufacturing fault?
Good luck.
Oh my - I had rectangle on the screen today when I removed the protective front later (brand new phone).
Though It's no longer showing I'm scared its going to become more apparent and eventually become like this.
What is going on with QA and HTC?
There was another exact case like this that I saw this week. Can't really remmeber but do a search and you will find it.
I have the same thing on my Touch Pro, and another user has had the same problem on his (her?) Diamond:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428262
Unfortunately it isn't moisture below the screen protector, but that the touch resistive layer was subject to heavy pressure (eg: being squeezed in the pocket). It shouldn't affect anything in the short term, but in the long run the touch screen might become erratic or imprecise, so you should keep an eye on it.
The store I bought my TPro from doesn't accept returns/exchanges, and so far HTC hasn't replied to my support ticket. Unfortunately I think some of us are going to be left out in the cold. Personally I'm tempted to buy a replacement touch layer and replace it myself, but of course that would void the warranty (even though it doesn't seem to be doing me any good).
If this becomes widespread, there could be a chance for a class action lawsuit (hopefully HTC will wise up and help us out before it comes to that).
Ouch >.<, feeling sad (but somewhat a bit of relief) that some others has the same problem.
Yes, the rectangular shape is very, very odd - since that makes me think that just pressure can create this mess. It feels more like a manufacturing fault.. But, as for fhsieh, HTC hasn't respond to my support ticket.
Wondering if I should call them to get a direct answer.. Hm.
I've suffered this
But in a Touch Cruise I own before. I thought, as said, that this regular shape can only came from a pressure problem.
Loosing my warranty (due to the long time to be repaired here in Spain), I opened it, confirming that was not a problem with moisture (at least in my case). Also I saw the resistive layer poorly sticked to the body, with zones unglued, causing the layer to raise, specially in the bottom edges. This bothered me a lot, because I ended with lot of dirt between the layer and the screen itself, unable to clean.
Maybe that was the problem. If the layer is not correctly assembled it gets an irregular surface (as lightly squeeshed) , yielding this. But, functionally speaking, the screen was performing well, as it should be.
Hope this helps.
It's only humidity... it happens also in my diamond... try to dry it under the sun..(not so good for lcd but it works for me)..
Immanuel01 said:
It's only humidity... it happens also in my diamond... try to dry it under the sun..(not so good for lcd but it works for me)..
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in a perfect rectangular? that doesn't seems right. although I could try it i guess.. still no answer from HTC Support -.-
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in a perfect rectangular? that doesn't seems right. although I could try it i guess.. still no answer from HTC Support -.-
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Yes, it's due to the prefect pressure of the screen, exactly in the center..if you try to press a corner for example near to Start button (with screen off) you should see the spot follow your finger's pressure. So there is a small drop between LCD and screen..(for me)
I had same problem in polaris. Send it for warranty as this is manufacturing fault. Why keep ****??? its htc s fault!?!
Well I thought i was the only one who had this problem till I came across this thread.... it's quite weird it's in a perfect rectangular shape anyone tried removing the protective screen and checkin whether it is the display... but one thing you hve to notice once the display is on we can't see tht on the screen only against a black background can you notice it....
It is the problem of screen protector. You may not see this watermark after you take off the screen protector. Try other good screen protector like Brando, Martin Fields ....
angler said:
It is the problem of screen protector. You may not see this watermark after you take off the screen protector. Try other good screen protector like Brando, Martin Fields ....
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I tried removing the screen protector and the rectangular shape is still there then I put it in front of an A/C cooler unit and it went away!!!! then after awhile it returned back and the place I live is very hot and humid so I guess it's weather which plays a role....
my phone has been giving me problems for the last few months now non stop. first that red light crap on the power button...now this....
My phones screen gets all distorted in Landscape mode. if i flip open my keyboard, it gets all scrappy, then i have to pop out the battery and restart in portrait...it runs fne until i flip the keyboayd out. freezes up and all that crap starts...why is this happening? how do i fix this? ive had the phone for 7-8 months not sure...but WTF man its still not even 1 year old....talk to me somoene is this just a piece of junk i bought? is there a fix? anyone else have this problem? ARRRGGGHHH!!!!!
what ROM are you using?
you should make a backup and then try a hardreset
If hard reset or new ROM flash will not fix your problem, then it is the flex cable that is at fault. I recommend replacement and had it done for my customers. Cheaper, albeit a temporary solution is to attach a thin sticky tape cut to shape to the flex. If you have no idea what I am talking about, then it is the job better left to professionals.
as enigma1nz stated, its the flex cable... i too had this problem, but i didnt buy a new one...
what happen is the sliding wears off the black coating on the wires and expose them to the interior parts, its like rubbing the two jumper cables together, it will spark...
what i did was cover the silver part with sticky tape, that solved the trick
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ive had the phone for 7-8 months not sure...but WTF man its still not even 1 year old....talk to me somoene is this just a piece of junk i bought?
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I have owned my X1 for a year now, and yes it is now a piece of junk compared to other phones currently out.
Get a Dell Streak and be satisfied already!
It is not a problem affecting Xperia only, but rather something we call 'All slides disease', it affects all slide form factor phones due to vulnerability of the flex cable. It happens due to sheer act of someone using the phone as intended - sliding it up and down, answering calls in some phones, accessing the keypad etc. It does not mean Xperia is crap, just the downside of a particular form factor. Next one on the list of form factors requiring repairs are flips (clamshells). With a bar form factor very little can go wrong, apart from actual physical or water damage. With the advent of large-screened touch phones, as you can imagine, it's the screens that sustain the damage. Iphones are vulnerable in particular.