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Hello there!
I want to ask all of you Kaiser owners for your experiences with the emulator FPSEce on this device. (I did use the search but couldn't find anything helpful)
The reason is that I am planning on buying a HTC Phone with the latest 400 Mhz Qualcomm CPU.
Especially the speed of Final Fantasy 7 would be interessting for me, because I own this game.
On my recent PDA with 624 Mhz and under WM 2003SE FF7 is running perfectly, so I would be really thankful if you could tell me about the speed of PS1-games on the kaiser. (maybe it is possible in the near future to overclock the CPU to about 500 Mhz for more power with FPSEce)
Best regards,
DL
I don't think we'll be running any ps games on our kaisers until HTC releases those drivers to fully support 3d acceleration. Heck, we can barely play snes games..
I was unable to get any games working with this emulator. It may have been user-error, but I gave up. So im not sure how the performance would be if it works.
o yea this was the first thing i launched on my kaiser when i got it back in october. the framerate was poor, only about 19-22+ fps. i mean yea it ran, but we would need some 3d acceleration, but im not sure if thatl even be at an acceptable speed.
that was in a game i played, when i was in the bios (the playstation menu) i got like 45-55fps.
I also used FPSEce on a 625Mhz device (Axim X50v) and it was running close to the original speed. But I was disapointed to see that FPSEce runs well on Kaiser but too slooooooow. I Tried Gran Turismo, again it worked fine, but was pretty unusable because of the low speed. I tried many tweaks on FPSEce (I also tweaked my device as much as I can), but still too slow.
I am not confident in the fact that one day we'll have the onboard 3D accelerator working , but I think we may have chance one day to get an overclock utility for the Qualcomm processor. Then, if we can overclock the processor upto 500 Mhz, I guess FPSEce would be usable ...
The other thing is that the more I play with my Kaiser, the more I can see that the buttons are not well made for that. Around the D-Pad, the buttons are too small and most of the time I press multiple buttons at the same time (and I have small fingers !). Also the shape of the D-Pad is not very good from my point of view : the horizontal size of it too big compared the vertical size. So when you play fast action games, you need to move your finger from one side of the D-pad to the other side (on the horizontal side), you can't keep you'r finger on the D-pad. So you loose time when using the D-pad, I don't know if what I say is clear enough ...
But this time, that is maybe because my fingers are too small ! Maybe I am the only one to have this problem !
The D-pad of my HTC prophet is a lot better for gaming.
When I bought my Kaiser, I thought I could then sell my GameBoy Advanced, but now I know I will still have to keep it !
Thanks for your replies.
So you can say that it's no fun to play with 400 Mhz because it's too slow to play? Let's hope a programm for overclocking will be released soon.
The missing 3D drivers are not too crucial. CPU is the most important part for any emulation.
Again, be also carefull about the fact that the D-pad is not good for gaming ... I tried again tonight many emulators (Commodore 64, MorphGear and others ) and I could find some more problems with it :
I don't know why but I've find a little lag when pressing the pad. This is very annoying when playing fast action games. This lag only appears with some emulators (Commodore 64, Morphgear, Pocket Caprice) wich are unfortunatly my favorite ones ... For exemple, I didn't find any lag playing with the Spectrum emulator (Pocket Clive).
I also met another problem : in fast action games, when pressing the left side of the D-pad, if I press it too firmly, I can feel the screen moving a little bit, just like if I wanted to open the hardware keyboard. It's also very annoying.
Definitly, this device is certainly a good device for internet/phone/business using. But it is very far to be the best one for gaming. If you know you will be playing with the Kaiser, you have to know it is not made for that, and from my point of view, it is the worst Pocket PC I had to play games (I had a Casio EM505, Ipaq 1930, Dell Axim X50v, HTC Prophet ...).
What ever happen in the future, even if we can overclock the device, there will be no way to replace the existing D-pad and its (too small) buttons.
I just thought the D-pad needed some gettin used to, then it seemed fine to me. i experianced no problems with the screen moving or a lag. it really didnt seem that bad to me. im using the AT&T branded phone (with the htc rom of corse).
and yes, lest hope an overclocking utility will be released soon
Ok, so it is playable but not perfect. Thank you.
Regarding the button problem. If the hardware buttons are too close to the d-pad try using some onscreen buttons (you can customize them for each game). It's a really great feature.
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Ok, so it is playable but not perfect. Thank you.
Regarding the button problem. If the hardware buttons are too close to the d-pad try using some onscreen buttons (you can customize them for each game). It's a really great feature.
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I don't think using virtual buttons on the screen is a solution : you will have to take your kaiser on one hand, to use the d-pad with the same hand (wich may be a problem because the d-pad is too large) and use the stylus with the other hand. Absolutly not comfortable, and dangerous for the screen if in the action of the game you're going fast and press the screen too firmly.
Also, one other problem reported with this wonderfull Kaiser : many users reported that the Kaiser speed slows down when you press the screen. I can't confirm that because I never play with the screen, but you have to know this other issue.
When you say "playable but not perfect", I can feel you decided to buy it. Really, if you want to play with it, you have to know that it's "sometimes playable, but in a bad way".
Why sometimes ? Because 3D games like Call Of Duty 2 are too slow to be playable, some other applications are not playable (FPSEce for exemple, the Playstation emulator).
And when the speed is good enough to play, then the pad/buttons problems show up.
Again, in you position, I just would not buy it ! In my case, if I could go back in time, I would not make this mistake twice.
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o yea this was the first thing i launched on my kaiser when i got it back in october. the framerate was poor, only about 19-22+ fps. i mean yea it ran, but we would need some 3d acceleration, but im not sure if thatl even be at an acceptable speed.
that was in a game i played, when i was in the bios (the playstation menu) i got like 45-55fps.
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Ive had the same results and is why im pushing for the petition has anyone had games that play at near full speed. on ff 7 some scenes were good and some were just painfully slow
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Ive had the same results and is why im pushing for the petition has anyone had games that play at near full speed. on ff 7 some scenes were good and some were just painfully slow
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hey btw how big is the ff7 rom? just seeing if i should go look for it or if i wouldnt even be able to put it on my kaiser anyway.
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When you say "playable but not perfect", I can feel you decided to buy it. Really, if you want to play with it, you have to know that it's "sometimes playable, but in a bad way".
Why sometimes ? Because 3D games like Call Of Duty 2 are too slow to be playable, some other applications are not playable (FPSEce for exemple, the Playstation emulator).
And when the speed is good enough to play, then the pad/buttons problems show up.
Again, in you position, I just would not buy it ! In my case, if I could go back in time, I would not make this mistake twice.
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Well, I was actually aiming for the upcoming Polaris, which is Kaiser without Keyboard. Maybe the lack of many hardwarebuttons and the reportet bug with screen-pressing would be much worse there. But I can't find another PDA-Phone which looks so "complete" in its features and size. Anyway the only game I own is FF7, so other games don't really matter much to me. And it's no game where you have to press buttons fast. Moreover we can hope for an overclocking tool. More important for me would be GBA emulation, but I would asume 400 Mhz are more than enough to emulate GBA.
What phone would you get if you could go back? Wait for future models from HTC with CGA and more CPU?
@jaygriggs: Thanks for the infos on FF7
@mikeeey: Well there are 3 CDs but you don't have to always store all three on the card at the same time. Every CD is about 700 MB, but when you cut out the movies you get around 300 MB.
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Well, I was actually aiming for the upcoming Polaris, which is Kaiser without Keyboard. Maybe the lack of many hardwarebuttons and the reportet bug with screen-pressing would be much worse there. But I can't find another PDA-Phone which looks so "complete" in its features and size. Anyway the only game I own is FF7, so other games don't really matter much to me. And it's no game where you have to press buttons fast. Moreover we can hope for an overclocking tool. More important for me would be GBA emulation, but I would asume 400 Mhz are more than enough to emulate GBA.
What phone would you get if you could go back? Wait for future models from HTC with CGA and more CPU?
@jaygriggs: Thanks for the infos on FF7
@mikeeey: Well there are 3 CDs but you don't have to always store all three on the card at the same time. Every CD is about 700 MB, but when you cut out the movies you get around 300 MB.
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BTW, why don't you go for a cheapo Dell Axim x51v? It's the best machine for emulation because of the supported(!!!!!!) 2700G. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347096
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BTW, why don't you go for a cheapo Dell Axim x51v? It's the best machine for emulation because of the supported(!!!!!!) 2700G. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347096
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Well the most important thing for me is to have MP3/PocketPC/gaming device/phone in one device.
In the past I had an mp3 player and a mobile phone, then i bought one phone which could play mp3 in stereo, too (the siemens sx1). This device had a symbian (s60) OS, so it was kind of a smartphone. But because of that I got really interested in PPCs and Windows Mobile. So I bought a cheap x30 @ ebay. But again, it's just too uncomfortable to have two devices, so it has to be a pda-phone and those new HTC phones have a small size and most must-have features (like GPS, WiFi, etc.). So I think I could live without 3d hardware, even if that would mean bad PS1 emulation.
BTW: I really like your blog. Great work and always interesting. It really must take much time to write all that. My praises.
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Well the most important thing for me is to have MP3/PocketPC/gaming device/phone in one device.
In the past I had an mp3 player and a mobile phone, then i bought one phone which could play mp3 in stereo, too (the siemens sx1). This device had a symbian (s60) OS, so it was kind of a smartphone. But because of that I got really interested in PPCs and Windows Mobile. So I bought a cheap x30 @ ebay. But again, it's just too uncomfortable to have two devices, so it has to be a pda-phone and those new HTC phones have a small size and most must-have features (like GPS, WiFi, etc.). So I think I could live without 3d hardware, even if that would mean bad PS1 emulation.
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It's not just 3D hardware support and not only PS1 emulation:
1. the 2700g is explicitly used in several other emus (SNES, GBA, FireBurn - to mention the three most important)
2. the x51v doesn't have any touchscreen CPU usage bug - this is a godsend with emulators with on-screen tap areas (on the long run, it's much more conventient than a hard-to-press button)
BTW: I really like your blog. Great work and always interesting. It really must take much time to write all that. My praises.
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Thanks
Menneisyys said:
It's not just 3D hardware support and not only PS1 emulation:
1. the 2700g is explicitly used in several other emus (SNES, GBA, FireBurn - to mention the three most important)
2. the x51v doesn't have any touchscreen CPU usage bug - this is a godsend with emulators with on-screen tap areas (on the long run, it's much more conventient than a hard-to-press button)
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as i was sayign with trying to find the touchscreen driver from teh 6700, could this also be possible to find in the X51v?
does anyone know how to manually adjust frame skip? on the website it says there are many different levels but i cant figure out how to do it
I realized when i shake my Diamond hard enough the taskmanager opens everytime!
can someone try this, is this a bug or a feature?
Or maybe the display is not fastened enough so that the edge of the screen comes against the touch surface and presses the button?!
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I realized when i shake my Diamond hard enough the taskmanager opens everytime!
can someone try this, is this a bug or a feature?
Or maybe the display is not fastened enough so that the edge of the screen comes against the touch surface and presses the button?!
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I just managed to smash my Diamond on to the floor trying to get the taskmanager! Thanks a lot!
Haha! No, just kidding, but back to topic: Tried to shake, nothing happend
Tried it, but mine only does this, if I hold it under water while shaking.
c´mon guys, this is no joke, my diamond really opens the taskmanager when I shake it!
using the shake action will bring a lot of action to the repair shops....lol
i can see diamonds launched by mistake from sweaty hands to the concrete walls and floors...
Ok, you got me really curious now...damn you!
I waited until I was alone in the room and I shook it real good...no taskmanager fell out the top.
horstborsch said:
c´mon guys, this is no joke, my diamond really opens the taskmanager when I shake it!
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Well as your doctor would tell, you stop doing that, then!
Perhaps O2 have put their own app launcher in their ROM?
well it looks something like a feature?!
when I shake it an have a program opened it presses the X button an closes the app and I don´t have to do it that hard...just one faster left right
maybe someone with original O2 Rom could try this?
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using the shake action will bring a lot of action to the repair shops....lol
i can see diamonds launched by mistake from sweaty hands to the concrete walls and floors...
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hehehehehe
horstborsch said:
well it looks something like a feature?!
when I shake it an have a program opened it presses the X button an closes the app and I don´t have to do it that hard...just one faster left right
maybe someone with original O2 Rom could try this?
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i don't have an o2 rom, so i'm not sure if my answer
helps you, but:
i've shaken my diamond now for about 5min and nothing
happened...
regards,
markus
weird.. try installing the diamond profile switcher and see what happens then.
well after a soft reset the effect seem to be gone. this only happend AFTER I installed the shaker app. maybe it´s an issue of the shaker 0.1 version...have to observe it further
getting closer to the answer, it seems that sometimes my touchscreen and especially the top right corner is responsive to force on the diamond frame. when I twist the diamond a little bit, bending the corners, the top right corner is pressed....
this sucks and this explains the mystery of "shaking taskbar"
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...this only happend AFTER I installed the shaker app. maybe it´s an issue of the shaker 0.1 version...
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Now you see.... this is a perfect example of something that is kind of important to mention when you start the thread!!!
With my Diamond, when I shake it, a little genius comes from the screen and ask me to choose 3 wishes.
Firstly I asked for a 4800 mAh battery but the genius disappeared and never appeared again
I just got my Xoom bluetooth keyboard in today for my nook, and I got to say... I couldn't be happier
Typing on this thing is so easy as it is a full size keyboard. The keys are nice and big, but not to big but just the right size. They have a nice spacing and the whole keyboard just seems to flow and it let's your fingerrs move fast across the keys.
It does have it down sides such as: not all the keys seem to work most do without a problem but caps lock does not work, as does the Tab button. Arrow keys work, but they seem to be swithed, the left arrow goes up, the right arrow down, the up arrow left, and the down arrow, right. I assume these keys work on a computer that can make use of a bluetooth keyboard but seeing as my computer does not have such functionailty, I cannot test it out.
Around the edges there is a glossy finish which leads to mucho fingerprints. The keys are matte, so the only time they ever seem to get nasty is when you are really greassy, or you are sweaty.
All in all, I'd have to give this keyboard an 8/10 It would get a 7, but seeing as how I got it from wal-mart for around $10-20 cheaper, it makes it a great deal
P.S. It's not AS sexy as the pictures make it look :/ but its very slim and is still pretty sexy in person
P.S.S The nook box makes a great "dock" when you are at a table at the library
P.S.S.S I just took a typing test on my nook and got 58 words per minute, which is just a little slower than my normal typing speed of 65 on my computers keyboard
LOOK FOR PICS BELOW
*Sorry if my grammer and punction are off, I did type this all from the keyboard and will edit it when I can get home.
Thanks for letting us know, it sure does look cool
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-XOOM-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Review_id2668
Once HC is released then it will work with the caps and tab buttons
Sent from one of those missing Droids
altimax98 said:
Once HC is released then it will work with the caps and tab buttons
Sent from one of those missing Droids
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Ahhh that does make sense... And I guess that also means if I was using the stock music player the music keys would work. I am using phirmod 5.1 and the music keys don't work, the menu key doesn't work, and the keyboard seems to disconnect... kinda a lot. And I wishI could fix the key mappings on the dpad but I'll get used to it I assume
What app did you use to check your APM?
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What app did you use to check your APM?
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I didn't use an app, there is a website called 10speedyfingers, or something, that will let you check you wpm online. Just Google it and you should find it
@DiscoPh3v3r: can you post a photo of nook and keyboard together for size comparison? Thanks.
you beat me on a review by one day! I also got it from wal-mart ship-to-store (expecting to get a text from them any minute saying it's there) and was surprised at the price difference even over Amazon! I figured man this is MADE for android, why not get it? the first BT keyboard I bought I had to take back (from Frys) bcuz not only was it broken, but also it was so small I don't know how they can consider it a full sized keyboard.
I'll be getting mine, as I said, today or tomorrow, so I'll write my thoughts on here as well (as long as the OP doesn't mind).
Quick question, does it come with a case or anything to protect it? If not, I'll be looking for something to do so since I usually carry my nook and such in my backpack...
Ill try to post a picture but camera isn't very good
And it doesnt really come with a case, but it does come with a nice little plastic sleeve it comes wrapped in, sure it will look cheap, but it works great for me.
Hey Disco, got mine today and it works great except for it going to sleep mid typing pretty often, any idea why and how to fix it? This would about ruin it for me if I can't get it fixed...
JLCollier2005 said:
Hey Disco, got mine today and it works great except for it going to sleep mid typing pretty often, any idea why and how to fix it? This would about ruin it for me if I can't get it fixed...
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Yup, that was one of my mine gripes. I cant seem to get it to stay connected, I'm hoping it is nook related and not keyboard related, so that it can be fixed with a new nightly. As of late I have not been able to get to stay connected because sometimes it will last about 30minutes and then die, and other times it takes just a second or 2.
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Yup, that was one of my mine gripes. I cant seem to get it to stay connected, I'm hoping it is nook related and not keyboard related, so that it can be fixed with a new nightly. As of late I have not been able to get to stay connected because sometimes it will last about 30minutes and then die, and other times it takes just a second or 2.
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after talking to others, searching around the net, and frustrating attempt at fixes, I found a work-around. Download the app Bluetooth Keyboard JP, change the settings in settings > Language and Keyboard to that app, then connect the keyboard.
I went from a (max) of 45 seconds connected to not getting disconnected after writing a lengthy email, posting to facebook, and letting it sit for 10 minutes. I also didn't get that problem where the keyboard would seem connected, but all of a sudden hit the back button and exit out of the app/screen I was in.
It does have it's issues, though. One being that the faster you type the less responsive it is. I'm a very fast typer and it's hard for me to slow down, but it still was ok. Sometimes it will repeat a keystroke (i.e. we will turn into wwwwwwwwwwwwwwe), and sometimes the special character box will pop up while tying (although I think this, again, had to do with fast typing).
I'm going to try to get in contact with the CM7 devs and see what they think and if there is a fix in the works (or at least point it out to them and tell them about the app). Knowing those guys, they'll probably be able to fix the initial issue and eliminate the other problems with it!
Edit: Oh and with this app I was able to get tab to work on some apps, but not others (seems to work good with mobile websites), the back button works perfectly, as does the home key and search.
DiscoPh3v3r said:
Yup, that was one of my mine gripes. I cant seem to get it to stay connected, I'm hoping it is nook related and not keyboard related, so that it can be fixed with a new nightly. As of late I have not been able to get to stay connected because sometimes it will last about 30minutes and then die, and other times it takes just a second or 2.
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I have a different Bluetooth keyboard and it does the exact same thing on my nook, works fine on my desire. So i do believe that it is nook related and not the keyboard.
I posted in the thread below how to get arrow keys working in landscape mode and menu button to function correctly. I attempted to make other keys work as well. See link. Expand the single post to see additional details given by me in the next post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12918367&postcount=44
Hi guys! All new to this site. I just got a z3c and everything is really great, but for 2 things:
The screen response is so poor, that if it can't be fixed, I'm returning it. Deal breaker.
Whenever I tap something, the screen responses in about 1 second. That is too long. Way too long.
Any of you tried the "Don't tap the white tile" app? (it's a game, where you have to be fast on your fingers) If you have (or you think, that your phone is NOT slow, please give it a go)
The swiping seems to be ok, it's the tapping that's delayed!
I'm hoping that it's just my phone and it can be replaced, 'cause otherwise I will have no choice, but to find another one.
Also is it not possible for me, to decide wether or not an app can have acces to internet? On iPhones you can manually dissable every app from using the internet, both wifi and regular. This can also prove to be a deal breaker for me.
I hope you can help me to find out if I should keep this, apart from that stuff, really wonderful phone or if I have to go back to iPhone, which I don't want to actually.
Regards Kokinos, Denmark
"Whenever I tap something, the screen responses in about 1 second." - that is definitely not normal. I am playing Wordz and screen response is instant.
There are many apps to control permission (e.g. Internet) for individual apps, but it requires root - APP OPS is the best. But you might try this, which works without root: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.netspark.firewall&hl=en or this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gmail.permissionmanager&hl=en
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"Whenever I tap something, the screen responses in about 1 second." - that is definitely not normal. I am playing Wordz and screen response is instant.
There are many apps to control permission (e.g. Internet) for individual apps, but it requires root - APP OPS is the best. But you might try this, which works without root:
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Thanks a lot, Dave! I'm so pleased to hear that, I will take it to the store and ask for a replacement then
-funny thing is, if I tap really hard, as in so hard the pixels round my finger turn black and I'm holding on to the phone with the other hand so tight, that it's on the verge of breaking, it IS possible to get the phone to react a, almost, once.
But swipe seems to work alright. I can't understand that. I actually thougt it was a software flaw and not a hardware one. But maybe I'm wrong.
I'll read into your links. My boyfriend might be able to understand a little more of it, so he'll help me
Nobody, that have noticed a delay on tapping, but not swiping?
Anybody I can convince to try the "Don't tap the white tile" game? It's free. I can play it fine on a iPhone, but on my Z3c the screen doesn't react fast enough. Unless I tap so hard, the pixels around my finger turn black and that can't be healthy for the phone.
It's not, that this game is important, it's just, that it shows very accurate, wether your sceen has delay or not.
That white tile game is the piano kind of game from Cheetah game studios? In case I just tried it and no issues with the screen response while tapping. It's more likely that you have a faulty device :/
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That white tile game is the piano kind of game from Cheetah game studios? In case I just tried it and no issues with the screen response while tapping. It's more likely that you have a faulty device :/
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Yes it is, and thank you SO much, Dave, you have been so helpfull :victory:
Yay, I'm so glad I don't have to find another phone, I will go and have this replaced :victory:
Thank you!
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Thanks a lot, Dave! I'm so pleased to hear that, I will take it to the store and ask for a replacement then
-funny thing is, if I tap really hard, as in so hard the pixels round my finger turn black and I'm holding on to the phone with the other hand so tight, that it's on the verge of breaking, it IS possible to get the phone to react a, almost, once.
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I cant imagine why your phone isnt working properly , cross your fingers the store you are trying to return it to doesnt read this forum.
jarayn said:
I cant imagine why your phone isnt working properly , cross your fingers the store you are trying to return it to doesnt read this forum.
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Thanks for your not so helpfull comment. I would certainly NOT have pressed that hard, if it weren't for the fact, that I either would return it or have a replacement. Luckily I'm located in Denmark. We have excellent consumer rights. Otherwise I would be stupid to have done so.
Hi any of you facing triple touch problem like when you simultaneously try to use 3 buttons in a game like aim ,shoot and move at same time only two works at that instant??
Hi my friend i encountered it and cry. But the solution is simple. Turn off the 3 finger screen capture. Thank me later.
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Hi any of you facing triple touch problem like when you simultaneously try to use 3 buttons in a game like aim ,shoot and move at same time only two works at that instant??
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Hi my friend i encountered it and cry. But the solution is simple. Turn off the 3 finger screen capture. Thank me later.
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Thanks a lot bro.