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I found a Kaiser phone at my house after a party I had last weekend. It had a password on it but no sim card in it. I asked around and none of my friends/anyone we know are missing a kaiser, so I guess this one is up for grabs. I did some research on it and it seems to be a really excellent phone, a significant upgrade from my old, old razr, so since no one has claimed it I thought about keeping it.
My question is if I put my sim card into it, is there any way AT&T can track me down and accuse me of stealing it? If so, I may as well just sell it on ebay or craigslist rather than go through the hassle of defending myself over something that was left at my house.
well considering it was left at your house and if you asked everyone there if they lost it and they said no I wouldn't worry about it.
You might want to consider something really radical, taking it to AT&T and let them track down the owner. If it has a SIM card they can determine who is the owner.
GPS my foot!
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I found a Kaiser phone at my house after a party I had last weekend. It had a password on it but no sim card in it.
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And this has what to do with GPS?
Seems strange to say the least - who goes around with a phone with the sim slot empty
I asked around and none of my friends/anyone we know are missing a kaiser...
My question is if I put my sim card into it, is there any way AT&T can track me down and accuse me of stealing it?
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Now you have my attention, my advise is to report it to AT&T and hand it in to the Police. Even if your party guests cant remember losing a Tilt at your place, there's no doubt it does belong to someone and that someone will be missing it. Even if that someone has insurance which covers it, the phone will be locked if an attempt is made to use it (at least thats what they do here in the UK) so it's only worth will be as parts but even then they're not your parts to sell.
Put yourself in the shoes of the person who has 'lost' it. If it's an AT&T contract phone, the IMEI number will enable them to track down the rightful owner very quickly and even if the sticker/markings are defaced, that info is within the phones programming.
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I found a Kaiser phone at my house after a party I had last weekend. It had a password on it but no sim card in it. I asked around and none of my friends/anyone we know are missing a kaiser, so I guess this one is up for grabs. I did some research on it and it seems to be a really excellent phone, a significant upgrade from my old, old razr, so since no one has claimed it I thought about keeping it.
My question is if I put my sim card into it, is there any way AT&T can track me down and accuse me of stealing it? If so, I may as well just sell it on ebay or craigslist rather than go through the hassle of defending myself over something that was left at my house.
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Hmm no offence but this sounds a bit dodgy...why would someone leave a phone which costs around 300 pounds and not try to find it? The first thing I'd do would be to trace back my activities on the day I lost my phone. So you would have me in your house the next day asking if you haven't found it.
True but if it's a kaiser oem and not an actual Tilt, AT&T might not have the info. Taking it to the police is good, also you can put an ad in the paper stating lost PDA but not give what it is to see if real owner calls.
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And this has what to do with GPS?
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Exactly my friend.
Dodgy!!!
I actually found a Sidekick2 at my local Target a few months back just sitting on a shelf in an aisle I was shopping in. I took it up to customer service and turned it in the lady asked me how they would be able to find out who's it was I said call 611 T-Mobile will know.
n3rxs said:
I actually found a Sidekick2 at my local Target a few months back just sitting on a shelf in an aisle I was shopping in. I took it up to customer service and turned it in the lady asked me how they would be able to find out who's it was I said call 611 T-Mobile will know.
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Ok but it had a sim card right???
Esteel said:
You might want to consider something really radical, taking it to AT&T and let them track down the owner. If it has a SIM card they can determine who is the owner.
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I live in the United States. The nearest AT&T store is about 50 minutes one way away from my home, which translates to about $30 in gas to just to turn it in. I stated in the original post that it did not have a SIM in it.
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Hmm no offence but this sounds a bit dodgy...why would someone leave a phone which costs around 300 pounds and not try to find it? The first thing I'd do would be to trace back my activities on the day I lost my phone. So you would have me in your house the next day asking if you haven't found it.
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A bit dodgy? I suppose you're implying that you think I stole it. Let me reassure you I did not. It was Saturday night over a week ago, people were drinking, and there were friends of friends who came to the party that my roommates and I didn't know. In an age of dual SIM slots, separate work and personal phones, and college kids who share phones, is it impossible to believe that someone may have swapped the card out and then mistakenly forgot where they lost the phone? It has been over a week and there has been no word from anyone, nor has anyone shown up at my doorstep.
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True but if it's a kaiser oem and not an actual Tilt, AT&T might not have the info. Taking it to the police is good, also you can put an ad in the paper stating lost PDA but not give what it is to see if real owner calls.
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It is an actual Tilt. Says AT&T on the top right corner. Once again let me stress that spending money to find the owner of this phone is out of the question. At the moment I am $28 short of the money I need to buy a ($158, used) book required to do my homework for college. My solution? I'm basically not eating while going into class super early to borrow a classmate's book to do my homework until I can afford to purchase my own.
As I said before, I live in the United States. If I turned it in to the police here, one of two things would happen:
1.) It would sit on a shelf indefinitely and the cops would snicker behind my back as I left.
2.) It would sit on a shelf until a cop decided it would be a nice upgrade for him.
Either way, if I turned it into the police the owner would not get it back. All I want to know is, if I used this as my own phone, would AT&T care/make a big enough deal out of it that it could cause me legal trouble?
We've got a great mystery on our hands.
Sherlock Holmes​
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The SIMless Kaiser​
The missing SIM card is the greatest mystery. Who would leave their phone behind without the SIM card? Was the SIM door open when you found it? What state was it in? On or off? What applications were open? Does it have an AT&T ROM?
No justification to keep it or sell it from me.
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I live in the United States. The nearest AT&T store is about 50 minutes one way away from my home, which translates to about $30 in gas to just to turn it in.
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Do you think there may be other options to notify a company that deals in communications technology apart from a personal visit?
I stated in the original post that it did not have a SIM in it.
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I stated in my post that it does have an IMEI number though and that does allow it's rightful owner to be traced (along with its serial number, any identifying marks/scratches or even fingerprints if it came down to it). Why have you not responded to my post? You asked for advise and I tried to help.
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1.) It would sit on a shelf indefinitely and the cops would snicker behind my back as I left.
2.) It would sit on a shelf until a cop decided it would be a nice upgrade for him.
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Either way, if I turned it into the police the owner would not get it back
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I think you've been watching to many episodes of The Simpsons. Cheif Wiggum isn't their roll model.
All I want to know is, if I used this as my own phone, would AT&T care/make a big enough deal out of it that it could cause me legal trouble?
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I've already answered that issue so what part of the phone being locked when someone attempts to use it isn't clear? I think you have already decided what you want to do and are now looking for justifications to support that. You're not going to get that from me.
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Do you think there may be other options to notify a company that deals in communications technology apart from a personal visit?
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Well, I decided to take your advice and call AT&T. The representative basically told me I have two options.
1.) Keep the phone.
2.) Pay to ship it to them.
He refused to answer any questions regarding legality of my use of it. At least I know now that AT&T doesn't care. It's another phone sale for them, after all.
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I stated in my post that it does have an IMEI number though and that does allow it's rightful owner to be traced (along with its serial number, any identifying marks/scratches or even fingerprints if it came down to it). Why have you not responded to my post? You asked for advise and I tried to help.
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AT&T apparently isn't interested in tracing the phone back to them. They didn't even ask me for the IMEI.
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You're out of your element, limey. Talk to me when you live in a country whose federal prison system houses over 2,000,000 felons, instead of 70,000. The cops don't give a rat's rainbow ass about lost cell phones when there are real crimes being committed.
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I've already answered that issue so what part of the phone being locked when someone attempts to use it isn't clear? I think you have already decided what you want to do and are now looking for justifications to support that. You're not going to get that from me.
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You haven't answered a goddamn thing. I asked one simple question. Allow me to reiterate and explain. The police here need proper motivation to take something seriously. If I handed a phone in at the police station, they would likely laugh in my face. However, if some whiny moron comes in and reports a phone stolen and continues pressing the issue over and over with them, and then I turn up using it with my SIM card in it, I'm afraid they'll assume I'm guilty of stealing it when I am not. That is why I asked this ONE simple question that not a single person in this thread has answered. The circumstances of my acquisition are completely moot at this point. All I want is an opinion on whether or not my using this Kaiser could result in legal problems.
The only solutions I've been offered are ways to get the phone back to it's rightful owner. This is not the issue. This will not happen. I have already done everything in my power to try to get the phone back to who it belonged to (notice; PAST-TENSE).
Now allow me to once again make this perfectly clear. Does anyone have any experience with UNITED STATES police regarding their dedication to investigating reports of phone theft, and does my use of the phone in any way give them legal grounds to ASSUME that I am the thief and to cause me legal troubles when I did nothing wrong?
Edit: I just realized that you believe that AT&T locks the phone here. They do not. They do not enforce the blacklist, so should I put my SIM card in, I will be able to use it.
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Well, I decided to take your advice and call AT&T. The representative basically told me I have two options.
1.) Keep the phone.
2.) Pay to ship it to them.
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So you're telling us they weren't interested in providing you with a freepost address or sending you a prepaid envelope to send it to them in?
He refused to answer any questions regarding legality of my use of it.
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Why, if he said you could keep it (your words not mine), what would be the point unless it could be used. Somethings not adding up here.
At least I know now that AT&T doesn't care. It's another phone sale for them, after all.
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What makes you come to that conclusion? You say you made one call, are you judging all of AT&T on that basis? What makes you think it's another phone sale for them, the person who 'lost' the phone may well be using another old phone until the contract expires or they may have bought a different phone elsewhere to use on the AT&T network.
AT&T apparently isn't interested in tracing the phone back to them. They didn't even ask me for the IMEI.
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Did they say they're not (apparently) interested in tracking the phone back to them or is it just that they cant tell you who the rightful owner is for data protection reasons - you're jumping to a conclusion there which I think is the wrong one. Did you even offer the IMEI to them? It's a pity we don't have the other persons account of how the phone conversation went because there are lots of things here that don't add up.
You're out of your element, limey.
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Do you think from my forum name that I may not be a 'limey' or does anyone currently residing in the UK automatically 'earn' that title?
The cops don't give a rat's rainbow ass about lost cell phones when there are real crimes being committed.
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Over here in limey land cellphone theft is commonly associated with other forms of crime as well so it'd be an unwise police officer who didn't take any interest in such an expensive phone turning up looking to go back to its rightful owner.
You haven't answered a goddamn thing.
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Not one thing eh or could it be my answers just aren't what you were hoping for?
I asked one simple question.
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I think it's reasonable for people to offer advise based on your question even though it may not directly answer all of your question, after all, most of us here aren't lawyers who are trained to provide legal advise.
If I handed a phone in at the police station, they would likely laugh in my face.
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I seriously doubt that. When I handed in a (quite valuable looking) phone I found left on a train seat to the train companies lost and found dept and reported it to the police a few months ago, there was no laughing in my face at all, not even a little bit. In fact all involved were grateful and from what I gathered in my follow-up, the person later came and claimed their phone back.
However, if some whiny moron comes in and reports a phone stolen and continues pressing the issue over and over with them, and then I turn up using it with my SIM card in it, I'm afraid they'll assume I'm guilty of stealing it when I am not.
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Even though you say YOU didn't steal it, how do you know it's not stolen (by someone else)? I wouldn't give you much of a chance if a case went to court for you having possession of a stolen item and you claimed well I didn't steal it and I'd done everything I reasonably can to try and sort it, without having at least handed it into the Police. Is that the sort of legal advise you wanted or is does that conflict to much with your plan to keep the phone or sell it for gain? As for keeping it, you are right I wasn't aware AT&T don't lock phones reported missing but I am aware networks can tell roughly where a given phone is while being used. If you want me to hold your hand and say there'll be no problems if you keep it or sell it, I'm unwilling to offer that. The fact you repeatedly don't seem willing to accept advise that is offered makes me think this is some kind of leg pulling excercise - if it is, congratulations, you've succeded in pulling my leg.
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So you're telling us they weren't interested in providing you with a freepost address or sending you a prepaid envelope to send it to them in?
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Yes.
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Why, if he said you could keep it (your words not mine), what would be the point unless it could be used. Somethings not adding up here.
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Perhaps it had something to do with the "This call may be monitored for quality assurance" recording before he picked up?
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What makes you come to that conclusion? You say you made one call, are you judging all of AT&T on that basis? What makes you think it's another phone sale for them, the person who 'lost' the phone may well be using another old phone until the contract expires or they may have bought a different phone elsewhere to use on the AT&T network.
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I could tell based on the tone of the representative's voice. He couldn't have cared less whether or not the person got their phone back or even if they bought their next phone from AT&T. However, since their former phone was an AT&T product, it is more likely than not that their next will be as well.
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Did they say they're not (apparently) interested in tracking the phone back to them or is it just that they cant tell you who the rightful owner is for data protection reasons - you're jumping to a conclusion there which I think is the wrong one. Did you even offer the IMEI to them? It's a pity we don't have the other persons account of how the phone conversation went because there are lots of things here that don't add up.
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See above.
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Do you think from my forum name that I may not be a 'limey' or does anyone currently residing in the UK automatically 'earn' that title?
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Automatically earned.
Flying Kiwi said:
Over here in limey land cellphone theft is commonly associated with other forms of crime as well so it'd be an unwise police officer who didn't take any interest in such an expensive phone turning up looking to go back to its rightful owner.
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Your naivety is actually beginning to amuse me.
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Not one thing eh or could it be my answers just aren't what you were hoping for?
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Please read before you type. I only asked one question. What you offered was conjecture and nonsense.
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1.) I think it's reasonable for people to offer advise based on your question even though it may not directly answer all of your question, after all, 2.) most of us here aren't lawyers who are trained to provide legal advise.
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1.) Redundant. Not interested.
2.) Wasn't asking for professional legal advice. Was asking for opinions based on past experiences.
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I seriously doubt that. When I handed in a (quite valuable looking) phone I found left on a train seat to the train companies lost and found dept and reported it to the police a few months ago, there was no laughing in my face at all, not even a little bit. In fact all involved were grateful and from what I gathered in my follow-up, the person later came and claimed their phone back.
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Haha, once again your naivety amuses me. In America, if you were on fire, most people wouldn't piss on you to put it out (that's a figure of speech, if you couldn't tell. Try to think about what it means.), and would step over your corpse if it meant the slightest personal benefit.
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Even though you say YOU didn't steal it, how do you know it's not stolen (by someone else)? I wouldn't give you much of a chance if a case went to court for you having possession of a stolen item and you claimed well I didn't steal it and I'd done everything I reasonably can to try and sort it, without having at least handed it into the Police. Is that the sort of legal advise you wanted or is does that conflict to much with your plan to keep the phone or sell it for gain? As for keeping it, you are right I wasn't aware AT&T don't lock phones reported missing but I am aware networks can tell roughly where a given phone is while being used. If you want me to hold your hand and say there'll be no problems if you keep it or sell it, I'm unwilling to offer that. The fact you repeatedly don't seem willing to accept advise that is offered makes me think this is some kind of leg pulling excercise - if it is, congratulations, you've succeded in pulling my leg.
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Your English composition is falling apart. In regard to this part of your ridiculous post, I believe I will take your previous advice in that you are clearly quite unqualified to answer any questions regarding the legality of such a subject. Once again I find myself questioning whether you comprehended, or even read my last post. I am not asking for advice. I am asking for opinions and personal experiences that may shed some light on the question I asked.
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Does anyone have any experience with UNITED STATES police regarding their dedication to investigating reports of phone theft, and does my use of the phone in any way give them legal grounds to ASSUME that I am the thief and to cause me legal troubles when I did nothing wrong?
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Cmon, don't get so upset. You should have known many would frown upon this so let people give their opnion and don't get so upset.
And IMO, do the right thing and be "a gentleman"
good luck whatever direction you happen to choose.
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In America, if you were on fire, most people wouldn't piss on you to put it out (that's a figure of speech, if you couldn't tell. Try to think about what it means.), and would step over your corpse if it meant the slightest personal benefit.
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Ha! It sounds proposterous, but it's pretty true...I had a good chuckle on this one.
Dude...wether or not you can use the phone is irrelevant cause the law is pretty clear on how you need to treat lost and found property...if caught using it you are as guilty as if you stole it yourself (going by the strict letter of the law)....so the question you need to ask yourself is wether its worth the trouble....the other thing you need to figure out is why would someone leave a phone without a SIM at your house and not claim it...is there a possibility that the phone itself is hot...(previously stolen and conveniently discarded at your place) my advice : too many variables and if's and maybe's just not worth the trouble ....
EDIT :- And yes its possible to track the phone through the IMEI number in the event the original user wants to do it...
lets say you have all you stuff all pass worded with the apps you got the lock screen up. even the contact owner app to tell you call or email some one. so you think ur fone is fully protected right. oh and you have your wheres my droid app....i find your fone and just wipe it. i got a new fone fresh os ready for me to sign up and use your service.
thats what i think if i lost my fone. so is there an app out dere that can prevent/password home+power my fone and so no one can sell/use it?
Not yet...but you could ask cyanogen to implement a password-protected wipe feature? Plus just call your carrier and tell them to disable your IMEI number...phone will become useless
It doesnt really matter if the person uses the stolen phone, if they cant they'll just chuck it. Either way you're left without a phone...
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It doesnt really matter if the person uses the stolen phone, if they cant they'll just chuck it. Either way you're left without a phone...
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If i found a g1 that doesnt seem damaged, i would never just throw it away. I would either sell it to some idiot or if i feel like i want maybe return it.
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Not yet...but you could ask cyanogen to implement a password-protected wipe feature?
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If this was implemented and the hard-spl was still on the device then the recovery image could be replaced allowing password-free flashing again
there is app that allerts you if someone puts another SIM card in you phone and it does work I tried it. SIM card checker
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If i found a g1 that doesnt seem damaged, i would never just throw it away. I would either sell it to some idiot or if i feel like i want maybe return it.
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Yeah, my point was that password protecting the phone so it can't be reflashed doesn't help the victim, they are still without a phone. Tbh it sounds like more trouble than good to password protect the SPL and recovery. What if you forgot the password yourself?
SIM card checker sounds good, but again that's useless unless it gives you some kind of information that could help you recovery the phone.
sorry to bump. but i wasnt home. okay so yeah we should have something to protect the recovery. also i would be happy, if a person went thru all that trouble to take my fone. thinking alright i can wipe it and sell it. then boom the recovery is pass worded. the sim checker app would not work. because they can just wipe your fone.
to the person. can i really call tmo and tell them my imei # to disable my fone?
so lets see, out of the million or so G1 owners in the US alone, how many of them actually know how to download, rename, and flash a rom? judging by the number of people who post ridiculous questions like "OMG I just renamed the rom i downloaded update.zip.zip and now it wont install! IS MY PHONE BRICKED?!", I'd venture to guess that not many people are going to go through all the trouble.
besides, this is why you have the 5.99/mo insurance on your 400 dollar cell phone, you know, in case you do something stupid, like losing it. that way, all you do is call up your provide, have it put into a lost/stolen suspension, and then talk to the insurance carrier and get a new one. I think the $50 deductible is a low price to pay for being an idiot if you happen to lose your phone.
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besides, this is why you have the 5.99/mo insurance on your 400 dollar cell phone, you know, in case you do something stupid, like losing it. that way, all you do is call up your provide, have it put into a lost/stolen suspension, and then talk to the insurance carrier and get a new one. I think the $50 deductible is a low price to pay for being an idiot if you happen to lose your phone.
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$50?!?!?!? WTF?
My girl dropped her first G1 in the toilet and lost her replacement. Each time Asurion charged her $150 deductable.
Whos your insurance provider? Maybe we need to move to Colorado...
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so lets see, out of the million or so G1 owners in the US alone, how many of them actually know how to download, rename, and flash a rom? judging by the number of people who post ridiculous questions like "OMG I just renamed the rom i downloaded update.zip.zip and now it wont install! IS MY PHONE BRICKED?!", I'd venture to guess that not many people are going to go through all the trouble.
besides, this is why you have the 5.99/mo insurance on your 400 dollar cell phone, you know, in case you do something stupid, like losing it. that way, all you do is call up your provide, have it put into a lost/stolen suspension, and then talk to the insurance carrier and get a new one. I think the $50 deductible is a low price to pay for being an idiot if you happen to lose your phone.
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Agree 100%.
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$50?!?!?!? WTF?
My girl dropped her first G1 in the toilet and lost her replacement. Each time Asurion charged her $150 deductable.
Whos your insurance provider? Maybe we need to move to Colorado...
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What would you say if I got my replacement for free after dropping it.
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What would you say if I got my replacement for free after dropping it.
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i got a free replacement also. my first g1 was dropped twice and i bricked it.
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What would you say if I got my replacement for free after dropping it.
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i would say...great minds think alike or at least know how to cook up a good story.
I also dropped...er...threw it across the street in my drunken rage ignited by said lady...
I called TMO on her phone and told em it was a hardware issue: g1 just stop working....They had me troubleshoot, found i was still in warranty and sent me my replacement, absolutly free.
The warranty however doesnt cover water damage and she admited it was self inflicted thus, she was ineligible for warranty replacement and insurance was the only life saver.
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i would say...great minds think alike or at least know how to cook up a good story.
I also dropped...er...threw it across the street in my drunken rage ignited by said lady...
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lol...........................
OKay so heres the story phone is missing idk how but i set it down on this table in the foodcourt at the mall..i was getting my food..and as soon as i got back to my table it was gone!!!IT SUCKS!I NEED MY PHONE!!
But idk i have something i pay for insurance its 6$$ a month i know i have it cuz i pay for it on my bill and it says can be fixed ...theft,stole,broke,etc.
so theres it it got stolen!
What should i do?can someone help i really want it back!but its hard to find in a mall with billions of people!
Is T-mobile going to recover this?
Can somebody tell me what i need to do?because im not fixing to pay another 400 dollars for the phone.
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-Lilray979
OKAY IM ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why would you post this in the forum? this has nothing to do with XDA nor the dream nor q&a.
call t-mobile. if you pay for insurance..you need to call the insurance provider.
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why would you post this in the forum? this has nothing to do with XDA nor the dream nor q&a.
call t-mobile. if you pay for insurance..you need to call the insurance provider.
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this has everything to do with the dream
n i only did because it saids questions and answers
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OKay so heres the story phone is missing idk how but i set it down on this table in the foodcourt at the mall..i was getting my food..and as soon as i got back to my table it was gone!!!IT SUCKS!I NEED MY PHONE!!
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I guess hindsight is 20/20, but don't leave your personal belongings unattended if you don't want them to get stolen.
You could always try calling your phone. You could have tried calling a security guard to assist you if the thief turned up in the vicinity.
But since this occurred a while ago the best you can do now is just to file an insurance claim with Asurion.
Personally, I would be more worried about identity theft rather than the cost of replacing a phone. I suggest you immediately go change your Google Account password.
Did you have GPS and your "My Location" enabled? If so, track yourself down. lol
Find your IME and have your phone permanently disabled. Should be on the box.
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OKay so heres the story phone is missing idk how but i set it down on this table in the foodcourt at the mall..i was getting my food..and as soon as i got back to my table it was gone!!!IT SUCKS!I NEED MY PHONE!!
But idk i have something i pay for insurance its 6$$ a month i know i have it cuz i pay for it on my bill and it says can be fixed ...theft,stole,broke,etc.
so theres it it got stolen!
What should i do?can someone help i really want it back!but its hard to find in a mall with billions of people!
Is T-mobile going to recover this?
Can somebody tell me what i need to do?because im not fixing to pay another 400 dollars for the phone.
Thanks
-Lilray979
OKAY IM ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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really??? you put your very exspensive phone down in plain sight and walked away from it in a crowded area and when you got back it was gone?? wow i never would have though people could be so cruel, with the economy kicking ass the way it is there should be no reason for anyone to steal anything, we all have enough money to just go out and buy whatever it is that we want. prices are down on everything and my wages are up so i have loads of money in the bank and plenty in cash too.........
oh wait nvm that was all a dream, you screwed up and should have known better than to leave your phone on a table at the mall, no offense but you made a stupid mistake, change all your passwords and call t-mo/asurion
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this has everything to do with the dream
n i only did because it saids questions and answers
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Come on guys..give the kid a break. Lilray, u asked what u should do, so I'll answer.
Kick ur self in the ass for leaving ur phone on a table in a food court at a mall with hundreds of people. I hope ur insurance laughs at u and refuses to cover on grounds of stupidity.
Oh, and before u unleash a childish and enraged response at me... remember, it won't make u smarter.
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Come on guys..give the kid a break. Lilray, u asked what u should do, so I'll answer.
Kick ur self in the ass for leaving ur phone on a table in a food court at a mall with hundreds of people. I hope ur insurance laughs at u and refuses to cover on grounds of stupidity.
Oh, and before u unleash a childish and enraged response at me... remember, it won't make u smarter.
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LOL!!my bad its just...i was really hungry n i thought i had my phone in my pocket until i realized it wasnt in there when i got the money out my pocket!LOL
but thanks everybody i will change my password and file that repport on phoneclaim.com
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Did you have GPS and your "My Location" enabled? If so, track yourself down. lol
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and no by the way i never did because i read on a forum people said it kills the battery
lilray979 said:
and no by the way i never did because i read on a forum people said it kills the battery
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Do you have any other type of tracking program like Mobile Defense or something? Do you know your IME(or w/e it's called) #?
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Do you have any other type of tracking program like Mobile Defense or something? Do you know your IME(or w/e it's called) #?
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I use an app called Pinpoint or something like that. You send a text to your number (you would use someone elses phone or e-mail or something obviously) with just the word "Locate" and it bounces back with the exact location. Unfortunatly the thief will likely notice the text and shut off the phone. However if you keep your phone LOCKED then you won't have to worry about it. Another unfortunate possibility is that the thief will also more then likely pull out your sim.
In regards to the "keeping the gps locate off to conserve battery" do this.
Download and install Locale. Set up a rule with a high priority (move it to the top) that when you recieve a call from a specific number it will turn on your GPS. Then track it down that way. There is also Latitude with Google, Loopt, etc that can give you an idea of where your phone is as long as they didn't clear or wipe your data. But as I said... if you keep your phone LOCKED they can't do that in the first place. Which buys you some time because they will have to research to find out how to wipe the phone. Since most people would use a computer at HOME... you might be lucky enough to track him down there. Just make sure you have a 'black and white' with you and be prepared to give evidence that it's your property. The G1 box has the IMEI and if you don't have that call T-Mobile (if you got it from them) and they can give you the IMEI over the phone.
Hind sight is always 20/20, but you will get a new phone and being careless is a bad habit. And bad habits are hard to break. So you'll likely do it again even though you say that you've learned your lesson. So take precautions next time (if there is a next time).
1) NEVER LEAVE YOUR STUFF UNATTENDED.
2) Have security preventions (such as system lock) on your device.
3) Have some software to recover your device should you not do #1 and/or #2.
I've been doing the theft and investigations line of work for about 6 years and I have caught 8 people and helped recover about 20 lost/stolen equipment. I'm so confident in recovery (as long as the preventions are already in place) that I've risked my Tilt by setting it out as bait just to see if anyone would take it WHERE I WORK. It turned up missing in less then an hour! I tracked it down the next day with the coordinates that it sent me.
It turned out that one of my supervisors found it and took it home. BUSTED! The next day he resigned. So... trust no one. Keep your **** locked, backed up and on you at all times! Even at home! (Caught my girl sneaking through it a couple of times ).
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Another unfortunate possibility is that the thief will also more then likely pull out your sim.
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Sim Checker
I love this lil program and it's free, every time i even flash a new rom, it sends me the alerts
lilray979 said:
and no by the way i never did because i read on a forum people said it kills the battery
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next time have your own mind and make a better decision. android gets stolen and you need to locate it, Yes theres an app for that....
It is always nice to see so many helpful people who never make mistakes.
Anyway call your provider and tell them your phone got stolen. That way they can put a freeze on the SIM (and IMEI if you are in Europe). Then deal with insurance and get it replaced. Not a big deal.
Personally I have locale running but would not bother trying to recover a stolen phone. It is not precise enough to track down the phone in realtime. Sim Checker could prove useful but I am not sure it would be worth the effort if the phone is insured. Remote Wipe would be the direction I would go. The hardware can be replaced but the personal info on the phone I would just as soon not get into a stranger's hands.
You still have to pay even if the insurance covers for your stolen phone. That's what i heard? Not entirely sure though. Next time be more careful.. I never leave my phone out of my sight .
I see a bunch of people who say they get can get replacement phones from t mobile with no hassle even if their knox counter is counted
Long story short, doesn't matter if it's stock or a custom rom, a few of my calls go straight to my voicemail and my phone doesn't even ring or give me a notification someone called. A few other people here had that problem and told me to just get a replacement. I don't care if it's a new or refurbished device but when I called t mobile and asked for a replacement they me to factory reset (which I did) and try turning off VoLTE and everything was going well until I had to open my big mouth and told him I rooted it. He said I am covered by the manufacture warranty if it's not rooted, since I told him it's rooted will they write a note on my account saying my warranty is voided? Do you guys think because I mentioned root, he assumed my device is still rooted?
Should I just call again and try a different person? I don't wanna lie and then have them charge me $699 if I don't tell them I rooted my phone on my 2nd try of getting a replacement....
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I see a bunch of people who say they get can get replacement phones from t mobile with no hassle even if their knox counter is counted
Long story short, doesn't matter if it's stock or a custom rom, a few of my calls go straight to my voicemail and my phone doesn't even ring or give me a notification someone called. A few other people here had that problem and told me to just get a replacement. I don't care if it's a new or refurbished device but when I called t mobile and asked for a replacement they me to factory reset (which I did) and try turning off VoLTE and everything was going well until I had to open my big mouth and told him I rooted it. He said I am covered by the manufacture warranty if it's not rooted, since I told him it's rooted will they write a note on my account saying my warranty is voided? Do you guys think because I mentioned root, he assumed my device is still rooted?
Should I just call again and try a different person? I don't wanna lie and then have them charge me $699 if I don't tell them I rooted my phone on my 2nd try of getting a replacement....
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simple. factory it back dont root. so its not lying. your device isnt rooted anymore. just dont tell them you rooted. Thats like shooting yourself in the head and praying your still live. Ignore the asshole who told you about noting your account. rooting doesnt break the phone. its already defective. it makes me so frustrated to hear any rep giving the customer the middle finger when they dont understand squat about root. If you are within the 14 day buyers remorse period i suggest you call into that department and get a new one sent out.
If you want to see if that person documented anything on the computer about your root comment call in and ask about the day you where helped by him. ask if the rep can read/look into the comments if there is any notes about your "return status". Try it a couple of times if no rep mentions about any root comment and void warrenty then you are good.
You my friend are definitely a noob. You never ever admit anything. Never. And the proper fix would be for you to call tech support and tell them your phone rings once before voicemail and you wish for them to extend ring time before voicemail. That will fix your issue.
BAD ASS NOTE 4
Your Warranty Is Not Void ...I'm not sure the validity of this but it makes sense per the consumer protections on warranties.
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simple. factory it back dont root. so its not lying. your device isnt rooted anymore. just dont tell them you rooted. Thats like shooting yourself in the head and praying your still live. Ignore the asshole who told you about noting your account. rooting doesnt break the phone. its already defective. it makes me so frustrated to hear any rep giving the customer the middle finger when they dont understand squat about root. If you are within the 14 day buyers remorse period i suggest you call into that department and get a new one sent out.
If you want to see if that person documented anything on the computer about your root comment call in and ask about the day you where helped by him. ask if the rep can read/look into the comments if there is any notes about your "return status". Try it a couple of times if no rep mentions about any root comment and void warrenty then you are good.
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Just called and the rep said the last thing the note says was to factory restore and see if problem persist. So I guess I'll call in a few days, it's likely a hardware problem anyways
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Just called and the rep said the last thing the note says was to factory restore and see if problem persist. So I guess I'll call in a few days, it's likely a hardware problem anyways
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It is not but OK replace as you will.
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"told them I rooted it" Lmao. Come on man!
Need help to reroot tmobile note 4
I just upgrade new firmware to Tmobile Note 4.
I tried many time to reroot, but doesn't work.
Anyone know how to fix this problem, please help
Androiduser2015 said:
I just upgrade new firmware to Tmobile Note 4.
I tried many time to reroot, but doesn't work.
Anyone know how to fix this problem, please help
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You asking in wrong thread. Go read the thread for rooting and walks you thru it.
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I had the same issue when I activated my note 4 with Tmo. Wasn't receiving calls or texts. Called customer service then they ended up creating a tech ticket. Because they couldn't solve it themselves, they told me give them 48hrs. And it'd fixed. After about 13hrs they had it fixed. So give them a call explain your issue DON'T AND NEVER MENTION ROOT. Be persistent don't hang up until you have an answer. And they'll fix it..
Good luck:highfive:
I can't blame them for not wanting to support every newbie that miss flashes or flashes a crappy rom and can't get his dialer or modem to work or some other silly bug.
Like "let me experiment and then let Verizon bail me out with a new phone everytime I can't find my way out of the mess I created"
A simple factory reset should fix all, but some destroy even that ability.
Yes they can reflash but it shouldn't be under warranty.. Should be a fee to bail such folks out... Sorry that's not popular to say but if you owned Verizon, would you do the same?
Buy a car and tear into the engine and screw it up then try to get warranty to fix it!
But I agree, if you own your phone and are willing to sign a disclaimer releasing them from warranty they should remove restrictions.
That still makes them vulnerable to folks messing with the network though.
As long as they can't tie the problem to your mishandling your good.
Perfect example... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=57360032
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I can't blame them for not wanting to support every newbie that miss flashes or flashes a crappy rom and can't get his dialer or modem to work or some other silly bug.
Like "let me experiment and then let Verizon bail me out with a new phone everytime I can't find my way out of the mess I created"
A simple factory reset should fix all, but some destroy even that ability.
Yes they can reflash but it shouldn't be under warranty.. Should be a fee to bail such folks out... Sorry that's not popular to say but if you owned Verizon, would you do the same?
Buy a car and tear into the engine and screw it up then try to get warranty to fix it!
But I agree, if you own your phone and are willing to sign a disclaimer releasing them from warranty they should remove restrictions.
That still makes them vulnerable to folks messing with the network though.
As long as they can't tie the problem to your mishandling your good.
Perfect example... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=57360032
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Your analogy is fatally flawed. I mean it shouldn't even have to be pointed out, it's that flawed. Flawed isn't even the right term.. Asinine? Eh, it's not even worth brainstorming for the proper term.
@telling them you are rooted lmao
I have never called anyone a noob on here before but you sir, is a noob.
And I say this with the most lovable respect. Lol
NEVER...EVER say you are rooted! Do not mutter the word "r" even if you were only rooted for 1 second!
That's not true my first note 4 was rooted and it shows that on their end I didn't even bring it up. The lady told me to restore back to oem spec if I wanted to keep my warranty. I did and called back the next day they sent me a new phone.
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That's not true my first note 4 was rooted and it shows that on their end I didn't even bring it up. The lady told me to restore back to oem spec if I wanted to keep my warranty. I did and called back the next day they sent me a new phone.
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Yeah they replaced mine =)
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That's not true my first note 4 was rooted and it shows that on their end I didn't even bring it up. The lady told me to restore back to oem spec if I wanted to keep my warranty. I did and called back the next day they sent me a new phone.
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The only way that happens is if you use the mytmobile app. Which is still your fault. We all know it sends back info to them about root status.
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Sends back more than that... WAY more
Sent from my SM-N910T using XDA Free mobile app
So much for the common (incorrect) assertion the tripping Knox will cause TMO to force replacement through insurance and paying deductible. ?
Sent telepathically
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So much for the common (incorrect) assertion the tripping Knox will cause TMO to force replacement through insurance and paying deductible. ?
Sent telepathically
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That is the expected response
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I recently bought a used Note 8, the previous owner sold it as "failed motherboard, for parts". Its a N9500 Hong Kong version with Snapdragon chipset with this CSC: N9500ZHS4CRK1_N9500ZZH4CRK1_TGY
The phone turns on but boot-loops. Sometimes it gets into Android and when it does all SYSTEM apps "keep closing" such as Play Store, Google, Camera, Settings, everything, I can't even remember all their names. All apps keep closing. After massive app closure, the phone enters boot-loop again.
So obviously, I entered recovery mode, wiped cache, wiped factory data, there are no accounts on this phone and it is NOT FRP locked. After wiped, the phone behaves exactly the same and it took a lot of bootloops to get through the welcome configuration screen, next next bootloop, next next skip next bootloop and so on.
I then opened up the phone (which was never opened before) because I suspected a faulty battery, I wasted more money on purchasing a new battery, I replaced the battery but it behaves exactly the same.
I then reflashed the same N9500ZHS4CRK1_N9500ZZH4CRK1_TGY soft in ODIN which was downloaded from sammobile.com and guess what, it behaves the same.
I reflashed a newer version N9500ZHS4CRL1_N9500ZZH4CRL1_TGY in ODIN but again it behaves the same.
Now in recovery mode I just recently noticed this:
#fail top open recovery_cause(No such file or directory)#
#Reboot Recovery_Cause is [UNKNOWN]#
No Support SINGLE-SKU
File-Based OTA
Support API: 3
dm-verity verification failed...
After researching what this error means I discovered that it may have something to do with phone rooting!? Now since this phone wasn't mine I have no idea what the previous owner did to it so I entered download mode again to see the status of KNOX and guess what, it says:
RPMB fuse blown
RPMB PROVISIONED
CURRENT BINARY: Samsung Official
SYSTEM STATUS: Official
FRP LOCK: OFF
CROM SERVICE: ON
WARRANTY VOID: 0x0
QUALCOMM SECUREboot: ENABLE
RP SWREV: B4(2,1,1,1,1) K1 S1
SECURE DOWNLOAD: ENABLE
DID: 205EE0EE92FD
So WARRANTY VOID: 0x0 as far as I know means that everything is official? I don't know if you can actually root the phone without triggering Knox which should then read 0x1
I also find this RPMB fuse blown suspicious which I have no idea what it means.
So can anyone help me??? Is my problem just software? What can I do??? Or is the motherboard simply dead and gone and requires replacement? Motherboards for Note 8 are extremely expensive so I hope the motherboard isn't dead.......
All the best
As far as i understand, ur problem should be software only.... Try flashing twrp in download mode and then root and then custom ROM....all this if the phone is out of warranty. And i hope oem unlock is toggled.... Knox 0x0 means not rooted previously.....try it out and share what happened
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As far as i understand, ur problem should be software only.... Try flashing twrp in download mode and then root and then custom ROM....all this if the phone is out of warranty. And i hope oem unlock is toggled.... Knox 0x0 means not rooted previously.....try it out and share what happened
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Is there no other way? I would prefer not to root my phone and install custom ROM, I would prefer to have an official ROM... also if it has everything stock, official, why is it doing this? Why is it bootlooping? Anyway if there is no other way then please provide me with a perfectly functional custom ROM which I should install. I need to mention that my phone is DUOS (DUAL SIM) if that matters. The phone doesn't have any warranty, like I said I bought it used, second hand. Additionally its from Hong Kong while Im from Europe and the previous owner told me that Samsung told him that they won't fix his phone because its from another region... BS if you ask me but whatever! Additionally to make things worse, like I said I disassembled it to replace its battery so definitely no warranty here.
I will return and keep you updated, no worries. Thank you very much for your help!
Best way to find out is to flash the firmware specific to ur device.... Try the pie firmware.... And make sure its specific to ur device.... Maybe try a diff csc.... Also flash bootloader separately and then try to boot...i had the same problem once with an older device... That helped... Make sure u know what u e doing before going for anything.... But since that device is already dead...u can try...no harm... Keep it charged...
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Best way to find out is to flash the firmware specific to ur device.... Try the pie firmware.... And make sure its specific to ur device.... Maybe try a diff csc.... Also flash bootloader separately and then try to boot...i had the same problem once with an older device... That helped... Make sure u know what u e doing before going for anything.... But since that device is already dead...u can try...no harm... Keep it charged...
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This is the exact model I have: https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-note8/SM-N9500/TGY/
Please give me a link to what I should install. Different CSC, bootloader, anything you think I should install. I don't wanna make a mistake and brick it even more than this... Thanks
RPMB fuse blown is normal. That's how they all come from factory.
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RPMB fuse blown is normal. That's how they all come from factory.
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Ohh I see and thank you for clearing that thing up for me, but...... what's the solution though? Did you read my post? Do you have a guide or an advice for me? Please?? Pretty please??? I don't wanna spend more money on a motherboard and I really wanna keep this phone as my own, its so beautiful!
myrunes said:
Ohh I see and thank you for clearing that thing up for me, but...... what's the solution though? Did you read my post? Do you have a guide or an advice for me? Please?? Pretty please??? I don't wanna spend more money on a motherboard and I really wanna keep this phone as my own, its so beautiful!
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I have read your post and have no solution. My guess is your flash memory is bad, and you can't fix that.
Your best bet is to probably buy a working Note 9 with a broken screen for cheap. Swap motherboards. The back glass should have the IMEI on it, so keep the right back glass with the right motherboard.
Put both phones back together. Keep the working one, and sell the other one for parts.
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I have read your post and have no solution. My guess is your flash memory is bad, and you can't fix that.
Your best bet is to probably buy a working Note 9 with a broken screen for cheap. Swap motherboards. The back glass should have the IMEI on it, so keep the right back glass with the right motherboard.
Put both phones back together. Keep the working one, and sell the other one for parts.
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Jesus Christ Samsung is becoming the worst brand in the world. First exploding Note 7 then Note 8 with flash memory fails. I think I this is my last Samsung EVER. My next phone will definitely be Nokia 9. I didn't had the chance to test Nokia out since they relaunched with Android and they seem like really well built phones.
Anyway until then, soyuz4u seems to have a solution for me so I will like to try out what he is proposing before giving up.
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Jesus Christ Samsung is becoming the worst brand in the world. First exploding Note 7 then Note 8 with flash memory fails. I think I this is my last Samsung EVER. My next phone will definitely be Nokia 9. I didn't had the chance to test Nokia out since they relaunched with Android and they seem like really well built phones.
Anyway until then, soyuz4u seems to have a solution for me so I will like to try out what he is proposing before giving up.
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EVERY company has some faulty devices. It's electronics. They fail. My guess is the failure rate of the flash memory (if that's what it actually is), is minute. Just because YOUR decide failed doesn't mean Samsung as a whole is a bad company or make bad devices. You bought a device that you knew was out of warranty and had previous problems without knowing the history of it. To be blunt, that's your fault, not Samsung's.
Honestly, they handled the Note 7 issue as well as could be expected. They did everything they could to fix it and then finally issue refunds and incentives to owners.
But I'm sure Nokia has NEVER had a warranty claim on any device they've sold ever, so it may be a good switch for you.
Exactly. Plus OP bought a device being sold as "for parts" only, so it doesn't make sense to complain about Samsung as a whole
Guys guys this is going off the rails and totally off-topic! Anyone is entitled to their opinions, its freedom of speech, I perfectly understand this and respect your opinions just as you guys love Samsung, I have a few words of criticism for it but now please no more off-topic messages.
As a response to what you guys are saying,
1 - Why don't you come with an actual solution to the problem instead of talking about how great Samsung is? Why do you have to reply to my bottom message where I criticized Samsung but not to the first message where I ask for a solution?
and 2 - Does any of you own shares at Samsung? I've never been a brand fanboy, why would I defend a multi-trillion foreign corporation?? What would I have to gain out of it? Im not Korean, it doesn't benefit my economy, if anything it harms my economy, as they suck billions of euros out of my country. yearly You guys are too forgiving and forgetting about the people who actually got injured by Note 7. You forgot about the infamous Note 4 and Note Edge "mmc_read fail" mass failures which also happened with S6 and S6 Edge. Millions of customers got scammed by Samsung back then. Samsung even got fined 5 million Euros in Italy because of Note 4 mass fails. There are even class action law-suits regarding Note 4.
It doesn't matter I got this Note 8 used, as is. What about the previous owner? Does it make it ok to fail in his hands? Why fail in the first place? Why would a top 1000 Euro phone become "for parts" in the first place in only a year after production?? What if I bought it new and failed in my hands?? The logic you are applying here makes no sense. I can understand this for a 100-150 Euro phone but not 1000 Euro! 1000 Euros are a lot of money, with 1000 Euros you can buy a decent car, a Renault Megane 2006-2007 for example which will last you many many years so spending 1000 Euros on a phone to fail after just 1 year is ok? Anyway please please no more off-topic. All I said is that I don't think I like Samsung anymore and you fanboys came at me like lions defending Samsung which is a thing I can't stand. I don't hate Samsung, if I did, I wouldn't have bought this Note 8 but Im not a fanboy and I will never be a fanboy for any corporation in this world, unless I just work for them and its my job.
Now please lets get back on topic, does anyone know how to fix this phone?
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Guys guys this is going off the rails and totally off-topic! Anyone is entitled to their opinions, its freedom of speech, I perfectly understand this and respect your opinions just as you guys love Samsung, I have a few words of criticism for it but now please no more off-topic messages.
As a response to what you guys are saying,
1 - Why don't you come with an actual solution to the problem instead of talking about how great Samsung is? Why do you have to reply to my bottom message where I criticized Samsung but not to the first message where I ask for a solution?
and 2 - Does any of you own shares at Samsung? I've never been a brand fanboy, why would I defend a multi-trillion foreign corporation?? What would I have to gain out of it? Im not Korean, it doesn't benefit my economy, if anything it harms my economy, as they suck billions of euros out of my country. yearly You guys are too forgiving and forgetting about the people who actually got injured by Note 7. You forgot about the infamous Note 4 and Note Edge "mmc_read fail" mass failures which also happened with S6 and S6 Edge. Millions of customers got scammed by Samsung back then. Samsung even got fined 5 million Euros in Italy because of Note 4 mass fails. There are even class action law-suits regarding Note 4.
It doesn't matter I got this Note 8 used, as is. What about the previous owner? Does it make it ok to fail in his hands? Why fail in the first place? Why would a top 1000 Euro phone become "for parts" in the first place in only a year after production?? What if I bought it new and failed in my hands?? The logic you are applying here makes no sense. I can understand this for a 100-150 Euro phone but not 1000 Euro! 1000 Euros are a lot of money, with 1000 Euros you can buy a decent car, a Renault Megane 2006-2007 for example which will last you many many years so spending 1000 Euros on a phone to fail after just 1 year is ok? Anyway please please no more off-topic. All I said is that I don't think I like Samsung anymore and you fanboys came at me like lions defending Samsung which is a thing I can't stand. I don't hate Samsung, if I did, I wouldn't have bought this Note 8 but Im not a fanboy and I will never be a fanboy for any corporation in this world, unless I just work for them and its my job.
Now please lets get back on topic, does anyone know how to fix this phone?
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Wow. Ok, for one YOU started the off-topic conversation. Two, I'm not a brand fanboy or a share holder, nor was I defending Samaung. I have owned just about every single brand of smartphone made. I was explaining you were the one who bought a "for parts only" device then complained that it doesn't work and is out of warranty. Those are the risks you took buying it. For all you know, it wasn't a manufacturer defect, but physical damage from the previous owner. Third, I did offer a solution. Buy a working Note 8 with a broken screen and swap motherboards, then sell the other one for parts. I've done it many times on other phones.
Good luck!
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Wow. Ok, for one YOU started the off-topic conversation. Two, I'm not a brand fanboy or a share holder, nor was I defending Samaung. I have owned just about every single brand of smartphone made. I was explaining you were the one who bought a "for parts only" device then complained that it doesn't work and is out of warranty. Those are the risks you took buying it. For all you know, it wasn't a manufacturer defect, but physical damage from the previous owner. Third, I did offer a solution. Buy a working Note 8 with a broken screen and swap motherboards, then sell the other one for parts. I've done it many times on other phones.
Good luck!
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I didn't start anything, all I said is that I do not like Samsung anymore and its my business what I like and don't like and I don't want anyone to convince me otherwise. I can't believe a 1000 Euro phone fails irreparably! Of course I didn't pay 1000 but the guy who I got it from did and the principle itself is what pisses me off. What if I would have been in his shoes bought it new paid 1000 then total fail and unable to fix it just after 1 year!? If this was 1 in 1 million cases, ohh ok, tough luck what can I say? But this is actually extremely common with Samsung nowadays. It all started with Note 4. Note 4 was the first major Samsung disaster. Note 3 was a jewel of Samsung, the best Note ever produced. I not once seen a Note 3 with failed board even to this day after years of use, anyway avoiding more off-topic talk, I am aware about replacing the motherboard, I even mentioned it in my first post, even the title of the thread is "hardware or software" fault. This is from the bottom of my first post "So can anyone help me??? Is my problem just software? What can I do??? Or is the motherboard simply dead and gone and requires replacement? Motherboards for Note 8 are extremely expensive so I hope the motherboard isn't dead......."
Also the phone does not have any kind of physical damage whatsoever, it doesn't even have water damage, like I said in my first post, I disassembled the phone to replace its battery and it was sealed, never opened before, clean and no nicks and dents on its frame. Its like brand new.
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I didn't start anything, all I said is that I do not like Samsung anymore and its my business what I like and don't like and I don't want anyone to convince me otherwise. I can't believe a 1000 Euro phone fails irreparably! Of course I didn't pay 1000 but the guy who I got it from did and the principle itself is what pisses me off. What if I would have been in his shoes bought it new paid 1000 then total fail and unable to fix it just after 1 year!? If this was 1 in 1 million cases, ohh ok, tough luck what can I say? But this is actually extremely common with Samsung nowadays. It all started with Note 4. Note 4 was the first major Samsung disaster. Note 3 was a jewel of Samsung, the best Note ever produced. I not once seen a Note 3 with failed board even to this day after years of use, anyway avoiding more off-topic talk, I am aware about replacing the motherboard, I even mentioned it in my first post, even the title of the thread is "hardware or software" fault. This is from the bottom of my first post "So can anyone help me??? Is my problem just software? What can I do??? Or is the motherboard simply dead and gone and requires replacement? Motherboards for Note 8 are extremely expensive so I hope the motherboard isn't dead......."
Also the phone does not have any kind of physical damage whatsoever, it doesn't even have water damage, like I said in my first post, I disassembled the phone to replace its battery and it was sealed, never opened before, clean and no nicks and dents on its frame. Its like brand new.
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Let me explain this:
You started a thread asking if your issue was hardware or software. You got some ideas and suggestions from people, including me. That's all ON TOPIC.
Then YOU went off on a tangent about how crappy Samsung was, brought up the Note 7, and talked about getting a Nokia because they look high quality. That's all OFF TOPIC.
You started the off topic conversation, so I replied to it. You don't get to go off topic, give your opinion, then get mad at others for going off topic WITH YOU and say you don't want people to try to change your mind.
Again, you bought a broken phone. We told you what could possibly be wrong with it. Your opinions of Samsung's quality control had nothing to do with it. You're the one who steered the thread off course, not me.
By the way, your last comment was all entirely off topic. This thread isn't about the Note 4 or Note 3 or the cost of the Note 8. Please try to stay on topic from now on. Thank you.
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Let me explain this:
You started a thread asking if your issue was hardware or software. You got some ideas and suggestions from people, including me. That's all ON TOPIC.
Then YOU went off on a tangent about how crappy Samsung was, brought up the Note 7, and talked about getting a Nokia because they look high quality. That's all OFF TOPIC.
You started the off topic conversation, so I replied to it. You don't get to go off topic, give your opinion, then get mad at others for going off topic WITH YOU and say you don't want people to try to change your mind.
Again, you bought a broken phone. We told you what could possibly be wrong with it. Your opinions of Samsung's quality control had nothing to do with it. You're the one who steered the thread off course, not me.
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Not worth arguing with some people bro because sometimes no matter what you say, it just doesn't register and they can't accept any other outcome or information except for what they've already settled on in their head..
Now, can I get some help with this phone that was sold for parts only? I swear it must be just a software problem, now you just give me the freaking answer that'll fix this parts only thing!!! J/K hahaha..
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Not worth arguing with some people bro because sometimes no matter what you say, it just doesn't register and they can't accept any other outcome or information except for what they've already settled on in their head..
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LOL. I could not agree more. Good luck with your Note 8.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
Let me explain this:
You started a thread asking if your issue was hardware or software. You got some ideas and suggestions from people, including me. That's all ON TOPIC.
Then YOU went off on a tangent about how crappy Samsung was, brought up the Note 7, and talked about getting a Nokia because they look high quality. That's all OFF TOPIC.
You started the off topic conversation, so I replied to it. You don't get to go off topic, give your opinion, then get mad at others for going off topic WITH YOU and say you don't want people to try to change your mind.
Again, you bought a broken phone. We told you what could possibly be wrong with it. Your opinions of Samsung's quality control had nothing to do with it. You're the one who steered the thread off course, not me.
By the way, your last comment was all entirely off topic. This thread isn't about the Note 4 or Note 3 or the cost of the Note 8. Please try to stay on topic from now on. Thank you.
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Ok its my fault for daring to criticize Samsung! You're acting as if I have something against the seller, no, wrong! VERY WRONG! I know the seller, he's a friend of mine, not a close friend but still a friend. He was awesome and I feel bad for him and what happened to his former phone.
Now let's get back on topic and please kindly ALL of you who have no clue how to deal with this error, LEAVE THE THREAD and stop spamming it with your useless posts! You clearly have no idea how to fix this yet you waste time in this thread... You said you offered help? What help? You clearly have no idea, I already said in my first post that I know how to swap boards but I would prefer to fix this board if possible.
I'm not gonna reply to any more Samsung fanboys regardless of what you have to say. You have an actual software solution to this board? Please kindly share it, otherwise, just go and don't come back. The only one who came up with actual solutions was soyuz4u. Everyone else just time wasters!
Have a nice day.
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Ok its my fault for daring to criticize Samsung! You're acting as if I have something against the seller, no, wrong! VERY WRONG! I know the seller, he's a friend of mine, not a close friend but still a friend. He was awesome and I feel bad for him and what happened to his former phone.
Now let's get back on topic and please kindly ALL of you who have no clue how to deal with this error, LEAVE THE THREAD and stop spamming it with your useless posts! You clearly have no idea how to fix this yet you waste time in this thread... You said you offered help? What help? You clearly have no idea, I already said in my first post that I know how to swap boards but I would prefer to fix this board if possible.
I'm not gonna reply to any more Samsung fanboys regardless of what you have to say. You have an actual software solution to this board? Please kindly share it, otherwise, just go and don't come back. The only one who came up with actual solutions was soyuz4u. Everyone else just time wasters!
Have a nice day.
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I don't care that you criticized Samsung. I truly don't. I'm not a fan boy. As soon as someone makes a better phone than the Note 9, I'm on it, no matter the brand.
I'm not blaming you for criticizing Samsung. I'm blaming you for going off topic and then getting triggered when someone replied to YOUR comment. I didn't go off topic. You're the OP, so you set the topic. You took the thread in a new direction, so I followed along, because I thought I was having a conversation with another adult.
And no one is blaming the seller. I actually never said anything about him. I was actually blaming you. You bought a broken phone, for parts, out of warranty. You don't like any of our answers or solutions, and you just want to blame Samsung for you buying a broken phone that you don't know the history of.
Instead of getting mad and offended by everything, take some responsibility.
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Guys guys this is going off the rails and totally off-topic! Anyone is entitled to their opinions, its freedom of speech, I perfectly understand this and respect your opinions just as you guys love Samsung, I have a few words of criticism for it but now please no more off-topic messages.
As a response to what you guys are saying,
1 - Why don't you come with an actual solution to the problem instead of talking about how great Samsung is? Why do you have to reply to my bottom message where I criticized Samsung but not to the first message where I ask for a solution?
and 2 - Does any of you own shares at Samsung? I've never been a brand fanboy, why would I defend a multi-trillion foreign corporation?? What would I have to gain out of it? Im not Korean, it doesn't benefit my economy, if anything it harms my economy, as they suck billions of euros out of my country. yearly You guys are too forgiving and forgetting about the people who actually got injured by Note 7. You forgot about the infamous Note 4 and Note Edge "mmc_read fail" mass failures which also happened with S6 and S6 Edge. Millions of customers got scammed by Samsung back then. Samsung even got fined 5 million Euros in Italy because of Note 4 mass fails. There are even class action law-suits regarding Note 4.
It doesn't matter I got this Note 8 used, as is. What about the previous owner? Does it make it ok to fail in his hands? Why fail in the first place? Why would a top 1000 Euro phone become "for parts" in the first place in only a year after production?? What if I bought it new and failed in my hands?? The logic you are applying here makes no sense. I can understand this for a 100-150 Euro phone but not 1000 Euro! 1000 Euros are a lot of money, with 1000 Euros you can buy a decent car, a Renault Megane 2006-2007 for example which will last you many many years so spending 1000 Euros on a phone to fail after just 1 year is ok? Anyway please please no more off-topic. All I said is that I don't think I like Samsung anymore and you fanboys came at me like lions defending Samsung which is a thing I can't stand. I don't hate Samsung, if I did, I wouldn't have bought this Note 8 but Im not a fanboy and I will never be a fanboy for any corporation in this world, unless I just work for them and its my job.
Now please lets get back on topic, does anyone know how to fix this phone?
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You are the one gone off-topic. You lost focus on your own issue. And the way you DEMAND for a solution makes you look like a 5 year old child. Behave man. Be a little, just a little more coherent. If you are further past "fanboys" then don't say a word to/about them. If you are so clever, you'd be owning a multi-millionaire company in stead of buying a faulty device.
On the other hand, you should be thankful that at least someone gave you solutions to try out considering your manners.
I've owned multiple Samsung's over the past years, and Apple's devices too, between other brands. Actually I'm rocking a Note 8 since 3 months past launch day, coming from an iPhone X 256gb first hand bought in Spain that 2 months after using it the touchpad stopped working (yes, a $1200 EUR touch device stopped recognizing touches, can happen), never insulted anyone because of that, just my freaking luck. Got it repaired for free btw, but still wanted to own a Note 8.
I upgraded to Pie 2 days ago, I live in Argentina, dunno why it took this long, but nonetheless its an awesome device, never failed me nor stopped surprising me (I found early this morning the 60fps 4k UHD workarround with the awesome "lgcamera" app), and technical service is great here.
I hope you can chill, and be responsible for your own mistakes, without mistreating people who tries to help you. This is a very nice place to spend time learning and asking, let's keep it like this. I also wish you good luck on your quest to make that faulty Note 8 work again, so you can enjoy this great device's features, and if not, I hope you get yourself one that suits you.