Microsoft Live Search now with Voice - Beta! - Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General

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Live Search for Windows Mobile now offers voice input (in beta), gas prices, and hours of operation for businesses. Voice recognition works pretty good for an online app.
http://wls.live.com

Wow, it's been a while since MS one-upped Google. I'll have to check this out. Looks pretty nice!

I wish it had turn-by-turn voice but guess this will be great while driving. I am quite amazed of the speed of voice recognition even on EDGE.

Very cool... now, what did I like about Google Maps again to keep both on my device? I can't remember!

Google maps supports european cities.

Once Live came out the first time, I dumped google. It blows google away 10 fold!!! It has more features and loads and runs faster. The only thing that it doesn't have that would be cool is Dallas traffic. OH and for those that don't have GPS, LBS would be a cool feature.
Now that it has the gas feature, there really isn't any reason to go with the TeleNav from AT&T...not that I was anyways. Pay for GPS...my ass!
So it doesn't have spoken turn by turn, but it does notify you when the next event is. That has worked for me.
The voice thing is cool to, not sure i'm going to use that too much though?
Later,
Aaron

servoisgod said:
Once Live came out the first time, I dumped google. It blows google away 10 fold!!! It has more features and loads and runs faster. The only thing that it doesn't have that would be cool is Dallas traffic. OH and for those that don't have GPS, LBS would be a cool feature.
Now that it has the gas feature, there really isn't any reason to go with the TeleNav from AT&T...not that I was anyways. Pay for GPS...my ass!
So it doesn't have spoken turn by turn, but it does notify you when the next event is. That has worked for me.
The voice thing is cool to, not sure i'm going to use that too much though?
Later,
Aaron
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Live search definitely blows googlemaps away.

I installed this last night, but I cannot see how to get the speech recognition working. The "Enable speech recognition" is greyed out. Is it US only?

Just wondering if im doing something wrong here. in previous versions you could type a street adress in the search bar and select the city and if would fing the address and allow you to map it.. with this version that does not work, i have to type the full address with city in the lower location bar and then switch to map in order to see the location. because of this i can't find a way to just say an adress. it recognizes everything correctly but just puts the street address in upper bar and city in lower bar then if unable to find any matches. is there a certain tag of something you need to say before the address so it knows to look for stret address and not a business name or something like that?

Speech Recognition is US and UK only.
It doesn't appear that it works with a bluetooth headset, you have to speak into the phone itself. Otherwise, its very cool.

I don't hold much hope for voice recognition being much more than a gimmick, but even so, I think this is one of the best apps to come out of Redman in a long time. Navigation and usability are high, and the search results look top notch. They must have spent some big $$$ on data acquisition to get all the up to date traffic, movies, resturants, gas prices, etc...
Now how can they get this so right, then put a handy left soft key delete in the messaging window only to prompt you on every single delete?!?!?! MNFS

Installed it last night...uh-oh, the big M is onto something...

jgermuga said:
I don't hold much hope for voice recognition being much more than a gimmick
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I think it's critical for use when driving. Interestingly though, I didn't find their gas station pricing to be very complete. There are a lot of gas stations in my area listed by gasbuddy.com that aren't on MS Live. You'd think they'd just partner up with gasbuddy, since they are already established and have a method for collecting that data.

is it me?
Is it only me who can't get speech recognition working?
I am in UK with Vario III on T-mobile uk. I have reinstalled with the latest cab from wls.live.com This installs version 2.5.2840.19676.
On the settings page the option to enable speech recognition is greyed out and not selectable. Can someone just check their version number and describe what they have to do to activate speech input.
I do have MS Voice Command 1.6.4622.0 installed and I wonder if this is causing a conflict.
If all else fails I will hard reset and install again. Voice control is a must have for me as I am in car most of the day.

Well I was always a Live Search guy over google maps because of the stupid data error that google always gives me. The voice rec is pretty accurate and very vital for use when driving.

wizzzard said:
Is it only me who can't get speech recognition working?
I am in UK with Vario III on T-mobile uk. I have reinstalled with the latest cab from wls.live.com This installs version 2.5.2840.19676.
On the settings page the option to enable speech recognition is greyed out and not selectable. Can someone just check their version number and describe what they have to do to activate speech input.
I do have MS Voice Command 1.6.4622.0 installed and I wonder if this is causing a conflict.
If all else fails I will hard reset and install again. Voice control is a must have for me as I am in car most of the day.
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There are two versions, a UK specific version and a US version (that allows you to select UK). The latter does not offer voice control when UK is selected.
You have probably downloaded via IE mobile. It appears the website detects your locale and initiates a locale-specific download. If you browse to wls.live.com/ from your PC you are re-directed to http://m.live.com/download/download.aspx?a=download&dlt=wls&mid=1011 since the site cannot detect your device. From there you can select an option to manually download. The cab downloaded this way is the US/UK version weighing in at around 715Kb as opposed to around 550Kb for the UK-only version you will have downloaded via your device. This (larger) cab allows you to select either the UK or the US and has voice control enabled for the US option only.
I've not tried the voice control yet, but I suspect it is optimised for US speakers.
Best regards,
Steve

wizzzard said:
Is it only me who can't get speech recognition working?
I am in UK with Vario III on T-mobile uk. I have reinstalled with the latest cab from wls.live.com This installs version 2.5.2840.19676.
On the settings page the option to enable speech recognition is greyed out and not selectable. Can someone just check their version number and describe what they have to do to activate speech input.
I do have MS Voice Command 1.6.4622.0 installed and I wonder if this is causing a conflict.
If all else fails I will hard reset and install again. Voice control is a must have for me as I am in car most of the day.
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there is a trick to this ...go to settings and change it to United states
and then go back to the main menu change your location to London England./ or anywhere in england if that fails then try this ...while connected to the internet ..type in london in the seach bar.. it will then prompt you for "london england" select ... and now use should the speak function.

issie said:
there is a trick to this ...go to settings and change it to United states
and then go back to the main menu change your location to London England./ or anywhere in england if that fails then try this ...while connected to the internet ..type in london in the seach bar.. it will then prompt you for "london england" select ... and now use should the speak function.
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Thanks mate.
Why I should expect MS stuff to be intuitive and just work I dont know, and why I need to swear allegance to the Stars and Stripes before it works is beyond me. It is working now ish, but I may need to work on my accent. If all else fails I can kidnap my Texan sister in law to speak to live search for me.
Thanks y'all from the Peoples Rebublic of Mancunia

Typical as I typed the above post live search beta just crashed my Kaiser. 1st involuntary soft reset.
A quick stick up its bum and one reset later its working fine.

Will I be able to connect to the GPS part of this updated program, with my Tilt, if I do not subscribe to a GPS plan?

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Enter the Noob

I'd love to be a part of this community, but where do I go for a good primer? You all are WAY over my head with all of the registry-hacking shenanigans, but I'm a quick study. I guess I could pore over the threads until my head explodes, but isn't their a more noob-friendly way of going about catching up?
In the meantime, perhaps someone could answer some ridiculously noobish questions:
1) I read a review scolding HTC for not including "Voice Command." What is voice command?
2) I don't see why my Tilt keeps trying to connect to Edge when I'm 3 feet from my WiFi router. Can't I make it try WiFi first?
3) I think I understand that I have Edge and the faster 3G will be in my area soon. So what is GPRS all about?
4) My OLD cell phone could at least tell me how many voice messages I had. This thing only gives me an icon that looks like film - it only tells me how many message I have when it gets a new one and "notifies" me. Any way to add the number? Along these same lines, if the iPhone can "itemize" voicemails and iPhones are sold through AT&T, isn't there a way to create a WM app that does the same thing?
5) I haven't yet hooked my phone up to my PC to sync, so why is it that when I drop down the task list "ActiveSync" has always automatically started itself again?
6) How does one access the registry editor? (Don't worry, I realize that with great power comes great responsibility...)
I have a ton more questions, but I'll bother you with them in waves, I guess.
Thanks
FYI - I'm using the AT&T Tilt and the only "custom" things I've installed are Windows Live, Live Search, and the HTC Home plugin. (All very cool!)
AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! good lord read the wiki for Hermes cause most of the **** is the same and just about all of your questions have been answered in the forum!!!!
cheers
uh... thanks? Like I said, I wasn't sure where to start...
Really having second thoughts about saying "I'd love to be a part of this community" too...
Welcome to the forum drokkon
The way I see it Doug2873 just had a little accident as he was answering your question:
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But seriously, it is always difficult to answer a post that has several questions in one and the posts in reply can end up jumbled and confused.
So, how to proceed:
Find the link on the brown bar above to the Wiki. (we do not yet have one for the Kaiser - but much of what is said for the Hermes also applies to the Kaiser)
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/ISP/ISP113/ispc013011.jpgOn the main posts page you will find a "sticky" post called search XDA-Developers Using Google. You can type key words or phrases into this and search this site only. Many of your questions have been answered several times and you can expect most of your questions to be answered. For immediate convenience here is a link to the same post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314615
If you cannot find an answer, then post a new thread, but keep it specific to a single topic. e.g. Is there a way to make my screen flash like a Xmass tree on 25th December?
It is generally frowned on to adopt a style like:
Pllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeese help me
OMG! i DON'T BELIEVE IT
A sense of humour is always OK (in my view) so long as it does not cross common sense boundaries.
Hope that helps some, initally anyway.
Mike
Not everyone is as discouraging at the first person to reply.
There are apps to download that can fix most of your questions.
I would do some searching on the forums then ask what you didn't find out. I also found out the hard way that if you ask a bunch of questions as once you get considered a noob. But if you ask just one question at a time you will get good anwsers.
I don't consider myself an expert but here is what I know(or think I know on some of your questions)
1 - Voice command is voice dialing
2 - when I am on wifi mine pops up everyonce in while too but it stays connected to wifi with no problems. I haven't address it, there may be a better solution but mine seems to work find so I never messed with it.
3 - I know based on the connection that edge and 3g both connect to the internet GPRS. There are program that allow you to force it to choose the higher one or nothing.
4 - If I click on the voicemail icon it tells me how many I have.
5 - It is always running to be prepared for when you do connect so you don't have to manually start it up. From what i can tell if uses very little resource running so it has never matter to me.
6 - There are program you download to edit the registry. I would suggest looking at the sticky for the kaiser. It is reg edit for dummies that runs on your phone making it very easy to change the settings. It includes everything I was looking at changing.
Don't take my answers as fact, i am sure i will be corrected on a few of them, just trying to help.
Well Drokkon, first off, welcome. I'm pretty new here myself I am tempted to answer all your questions (though one or two have me scratching my own head) but that way you won't learn to get around. I'm siding with what mikechannon said. The answers are here, and his post explains how to find 'em
mikechannon said:
Welcome to the forum drokkon
The way I see it Doug2873 just had a little accident as he was answering your question:
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Totally off-topic but I must say, this is one of the best replies I've ever seen on XDA. That picture!
jallenclark said:
3 - I know based on the connection that edge and 3g both connect to the internet GPRS. There are program that allow you to force it to choose the higher one or nothing.
6 - There are program you download to edit the registry. I would suggest looking at the sticky for the kaiser. It is reg edit for dummies that runs on your phone making it very easy to change the settings. It includes everything I was looking at changing.
Don't take my answers as fact, i am sure i will be corrected on a few of them, just trying to help.
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3 - GPRS and EDGE use GSM, 3G uses UMTS. They do not all connect to 'the internet GPRS' or whatever you meant
6 - My sentiments exactly
drokkon said:
In the meantime, perhaps someone could answer some ridiculously noobish questions:
1) I read a review scolding HTC for not including "Voice Command." What is voice command?
Voice command allows you to use your voice to command the phone. (Duh, I know). There are 2 different types now. One, you train with your own voice .. the other (Microsoft's) requires no training and can functionally do more. Voice command is included in some roms and from some carriers, Microsofts can be purchased.
2) I don't see why my Tilt keeps trying to connect to Edge when I'm 3 feet from my WiFi router. Can't I make it try WiFi first?
Maybe a dumb question but did you turn on WiFi? Start --> Programs --> Comm Manager
3) I think I understand that I have Edge and the faster 3G will be in my area soon. So what is GPRS all about?
From Wiki:
General Packet Radio Service (GPRS) is a Mobile Data Service available to users of Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM) and IS-136mobile phones. GPRS data transfer is typically charged per megabyte of transferred data, while data communication via traditional circuit switching is billed per minute of connection time, independent of whether the user has actually transferred data or has been in an idle state. GPRS can be used for services such as Wireless Application Protocol (WAP) access, Short Message Service (SMS), Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS), and for Internet communication services such as email and World Wide Web access.
Read More: HERE
4) My OLD cell phone could at least tell me how many voice messages I had. This thing only gives me an icon that looks like film - it only tells me how many message I have when it gets a new one and "notifies" me. Any way to add the number? Along these same lines, if the iPhone can "itemize" voicemails and iPhones are sold through AT&T, isn't there a way to create a WM app that does the same thing?
There are several app out there that do that. Some free some pay. Look for Pocket Phone Zen or PhoneAlarm. You may also want to click on the icon as mentioned
5) I haven't yet hooked my phone up to my PC to sync, so why is it that when I drop down the task list "ActiveSync" has always automatically started itself again?
ActiveSync is always running (checking) for a connection. You can pretty much consider it part of the OS .. you know .. a "feature"
6) How does one access the registry editor? (Don't worry, I realize that with great power comes great responsibility...)
You will need a registry editor.
PHM Registry Editor or Total Commander (for PPC) are two free choices. Total commander is also a very good file manager.
** Keep in mind, you screw up the registry ... you will be hard reseting (formating and starting from scratch) **
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See answers in-line with your questions. I hope this helps some.
this board really moves fast too, which makes it hard to find things for new people or people that don't have a lot of time to troll the forum... i have litterally 8 different threads added to my favorites so that when i get up to speed with my phone i can bring them up and try to follow whatever directions i wanted to recall.
i've been lurking around this forum for a month and a half or so but now that i have my device in hand i realize how much more i need to know before i start messing with it. i guess a good place to start will be the wiki for the hermes after i finish the 240 page user manual for the tilt. i can't wait to start adding new things to my phone(like GPS software, WIMP, Opera mini, a cool keyboard someone recommended, etc). anyway, i am just glad a place like this exists.
mikechannon said:
Welcome to the forum drokkon
Hope that helps some, initally anyway.
Mike
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Thanks, Mike - it did! I'll be sure to check out those sources you mentioned.
jallenclark said:
Not everyone is as discouraging at the first person to reply.
2 - when I am on wifi mine pops up everyonce in while too but it stays connected to wifi with no problems. I haven't address it, there may be a better solution but mine seems to work find so I never messed with it.
4 - If I click on the voicemail icon it tells me how many I have.
Don't take my answers as fact, i am sure i will be corrected on a few of them, just trying to help.
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Thanks for the help!
2) In regards to the WiFi vs. Edge, I guess I'm just annoyed because I AM connected to WiFi and yet it keeps going for Edge. I figured out that under Settings -> Connections -> Connections -> Advanced -> Select Networks, you can choose whether programs use MEdia Net, AT&T ISP, My Work, and My ISP. First of all, this is tedious; secondly it's confusing - I assume it has to do with that confusing question that the WiFi connection asked me: "Is this connection to a) your work network or b) the internet." HUH? I'm sure I'll figure it out.
4) Furthermore, I can't click my voicemail icon. Wonder why not?
Chainfire said:
Well Drokkon, first off, welcome. I'm pretty new here myself I am tempted to answer all your questions (though one or two have me scratching my own head) but that way you won't learn to get around. I'm siding with what mikechannon said. The answers are here, and his post explains how to find 'em
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I appreciate it - hope we can both learn a lot!
wattsja said:
See answers in-line with your questions. I hope this helps some.
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Lots of good info! Thanks so much.
MAXPOW3R said:
this board really moves fast too, which makes it hard to find things for new people or people that don't have a lot of time to troll the forum... i have litterally 8 different threads added to my favorites so that when i get up to speed with my phone i can bring them up and try to follow whatever directions i wanted to recall.
i've been lurking around this forum for a month and a half or so but now that i have my device in hand i realize how much more i need to know before i start messing with it. i guess a good place to start will be the wiki for the hermes after i finish the 240 page user manual for the tilt. i can't wait to start adding new things to my phone(like GPS software, WIMP, Opera mini, a cool keyboard someone recommended, etc). anyway, i am just glad a place like this exists.
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Glad I'm not the only one! I've been lurking for about a month, waiting for the Tilt to come out. I was active over at HowardForums and AT&T forums, but once I had the thing in my hot little hands last Thursday, I figured it was time to jump ship and learn how to customize this thing to my heart's content. As you said, however, the board moves fast and I couldn't find a board for beginners or even a sticky for beginners, so I thought I'd ask.

Finger-Friendly Friends (FFF) v1.0 alpha 2 is available!

Everyone: please do NOT post in this thread. Post here instead: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=340227
I promised you some more candy... well, here it is!
There are a couple of bugfixes and a new feature: "Send my position". If you have a GPS receiver in your telephone (such as the HTC Kaiser), you can send your position to your contacts! FFF will track your position and generate a map in Google Maps that can be opened on a PC (mobile phone browsers typically don't support Google Maps. Perhaps Opera 9 will).
It will also create a short link, so your friend won't have to type a zillion-character long address.
Address is http://www.jotto.no/fff
Enjoy!
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wow,what a surprising feature. I'm gonna test it right away!!
Wouldn't work on my Vario 3 unless I used Live Search to fix my GPS position first. Cool how it knows where I am with just that short link though. Nice app.
yoda6 said:
Wouldn't work on my Vario 3 unless I used Live Search to fix my GPS position first. Cool how it knows where I am with just that short link though. Nice app.
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Did you get an error message? What's stated in the "Status" field?
sweet and brilliant ideas!! downloading right now!!!
Looks like this is the new thread for FFF, so I'm going to copy what I posted in the original thread as my comments actually pertain to the most recent version of the software (downloaded Alpha 2 earlier and installed before making these comments in the original thread):
Dwimmerlaik said:
By far the best contact app I've seen developed for Windows Mobile yet. A couple of suggestions:
Allow for scrolling via TouchFlo when there are more contacts that match the search criteria than those displayed on the screen (i.e. the same condition that results in the "more" at the bottom right).
Definitely enable a setting or make it a default function for the installer to modify the registry to make this the default contact application. I don't mind tweaking the registry, but not everyone is comfortable with that.
You have a function to send current GPS location to a friend, how about doing the opposite and have a function to obtain directions from Google Maps from your current location to the Home or Work address of the contact?
In the same direction as #3, I would suggest adding two additional icons to the screen that are labled as "Home Address" and "Work Address". I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to locate some icons that would match the current default set. Clicking on either would display the address and then provide an option to obtain directions to that address from your present location.
Other than those suggestions, great application and I'm looking forward to watching its development. I love it!
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hmmm need to get outdoors tmw to test the GPS function..
cant scroll down the list of contacts via dpad? and.. cant see all matches of more than certain number?
Jahnotto,
It froze a couple times, but I got it to work. I think it froze because I tried to exit out of it as it was searching for satellites. Constructively, I think the gps is kind of a neat feature but from a practical standpoint it's more of a "hey...look what my phone can do" more than a required feature. Some of the other suggestions listed would make this a serious go-to tool.
-list and scroll through all the names feature
-operating d-pad scrolling
-corporate and/or middle name search ( I have a bunch of 'Z' entries that I can't look up, they are stored on my SIM...maybe that's why)
-when you get a name isolated to one name, ability to press send key and dial directly
Are these possibilities?
Again, just trying to help and be constructive.
Thank you.
do you need a data plan to send position to a friend?
thomassster said:
do you need a data plan to send position to a friend?
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What do you mean? What's a data plan?
Update: Alpha 3 is now available! A mobile-friendly map link is generated in addition to the full-blown Google Maps map. I have also fixed a bug on the map link.
I have got lots of suggestions to improvements. I appreciate that, but I haven't had the time to reply you all! I'd better spend my time developing this, huh? ;-)
I will not add any additional features in this release. I will now concentrate on fixing bugs and improving general usablity (for example company name search, scrolling, etc, etc).
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do you need a data plan to send position to a friend?
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It's setup so that you are just sending the coordinates in an email with a link to googlemaps. No more data than sending an email.
roverman said:
It's setup so that you are just sending the coordinates in an email with a link to googlemaps. No more data than sending an email.
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I'm connecting to the url-shorten service at http://metamark.net/ to shorten the url. It's not much data, though - 100 bytes back and forth or so.
Very Very Very COOL!
Bad thing is that when you send your GPS position via email, it uses "Outlook Email". Problem is, I dont have Outlook Email, I only use Gmail so I cant send an email with my position since I cant seem to change it to use Gmail (or another account other than Outlook).
grizzley said:
Very Very Very COOL!
Bad thing is that when you send your GPS position via email, it uses "Outlook Email". Problem is, I dont have Outlook Email, I only use Gmail so I cant send an email with my position since I cant seem to change it to use Gmail (or another account other than Outlook).
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Same goes for the regular "send email" feature. I will let the user select the email account.
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Same goes for the regular "send email" feature. I will let the user select the email account.
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True... However, if you choose "In Outlook" you can choose the account it is sent from. With the "Copy To Clipboard" not working yet, I have to just wish I could use it.
I tested version 3 the last hour and found a bug.
When I get the message 'short link failed' (why??) I can't get rid of the error message.
when I did get that message and clicked it a several times away the buttons on the bottom halve don't work anymore.
Very nice program by the way and a great feature the GPS.
Would be nice if it was possible to let the FFF sent automatic every two minutes an email for example.
please continue developing. I like it very much!!
Mine is getting a fix just fine and reporting the position but I can't tap any of the links like "Send via email".
Hi thanks for a really great app!
Just one suggestion, is it possible to just post one thread for the applicaiton.
You can use the first post to attach new release. This way you will get all the feedback and suggestions in one place.
Another request is if you could just post a short version history list so we could find out what has happened to the application.
Again, thanks for the great work!
//Piotr
PiotrM said:
Hi thanks for a really great app!
Just one suggestion, is it possible to just post one thread for the applicaiton.
You can use the first post to attach new release. This way you will get all the feedback and suggestions in one place.
Another request is if you could just post a short version history list so we could find out what has happened to the application.
Again, thanks for the great work!
//Piotr
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That's a good suggestion. I will ask the moderators to freeze this thread.
Everyone: please do not post in this thread. Post here instead: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=340227

Quick question to Tilt or Tytn II owners/users....

I am heavily considering the AT&T Tilt 8925 (plan to flash it with either Quentin or Dutty Rom --- will be heavy on the business use side for email etc..... not sure if someone has a recommendation for which rom to go with...) but I do have a couple questions....
1) I am in the car quite a bit and need to do one handed dialing and txting.... Is that easily achievable with the Tilt? I believe you can pull up a virtual keyboard on the screen but how easy is that to use vs say tactile hard keys (which the tilt doesn't have)?
2) can you make calls when the unit is slide open? or do yu have to close it to accept and place calls? If you can do it while open are there number keys on the keyboard that can be used or is it still touch screen?
3) when you flash the rom and add the radio stuff etc... everytime that is done, do you lose all the info on the phone? What is all info is stored on a micro sd or whatever card? I do intend to back the phone up but are there things that cannot be saved (i.e. MMS and SMS, pictures, downloaded files (say from email or something)?
4) are there any drawbacks to buying a refurbished phone? i can get one thru my company at a great price. It will come to me directly from AT&T. Anything to be concerned about or I should look out for?
5) probably a silly question, but if I use BB connect on the Tilt, do I need a BB data plan with AT&T? Out of curiousity, why would someone use BB connect on their WM6 device? I have never used or owned a Crackberry so please don't blast me for my questions.
6) can I (while driving) easily go from one email to another without having to use the stylus or slide the unit open? Are there any finger gestures or anything to get from mail msg to mail msg or from txt to txt etc easily?
7) has anyone made a ROM or whatever that caters a more to one handed operatin of the 8925 tilt?
Thanks to everyone who will respond.
Curtis
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I am heavily considering the AT&T Tilt 8925 (plan to flash it with either Quentin or Dutty Rom --- will be heavy on the business use side for email etc..... not sure if someone has a recommendation for which rom to go with...) but I do have a couple questions....
1) I am in the car quite a bit and need to do one handed dialing and txting.... Is that easily achievable with the Tilt? I believe you can pull up a virtual keyboard on the screen but how easy is that to use vs say tactile hard keys (which the tilt doesn't have)? [You can press the send key to bring up the dialler and start typing either a) the person's name, as you would a text or b) the number directly, and press the send key again to dial. In the case of the former, the name search will filter out the contact's name, starting from the first letter]
2) can you make calls when the unit is slide open? or do yu have to close it to accept and place calls? If you can do it while open are there number keys on the keyboard that can be used or is it still touch screen? [You can make calls while it is open, and you can either use the hardware keyboard or the on-screen dialer. Both have identical functionality.]
3) when you flash the rom and add the radio stuff etc... everytime that is done, do you lose all the info on the phone? What is all info is stored on a micro sd or whatever card? I do intend to back the phone up but are there things that cannot be saved (i.e. MMS and SMS, pictures, downloaded files (say from email or something)? [You will lose everything that is stored on the phone, the memory card will not be touched. You can use Spb Backup to back up everything, it allows you to select what you want backed up. The storage architecture is a lot like windows, with folders for my documents, my pictures etc]
4) are there any drawbacks to buying a refurbished phone? i can get one thru my company at a great price. It will come to me directly from AT&T. Anything to be concerned about or I should look out for? [No comment on this as I have never bought a certified refurbished anything, but you should contact your carrier and query them as to what rights you're entitled to]
5) probably a silly question, but if I use BB connect on the Tilt, do I need a BB data plan with AT&T? Out of curiousity, why would someone use BB connect on their WM6 device? I have never used or owned a Crackberry so please don't blast me for my questions. [I suppose RIM have realized that HTC makes great business phone, and are simply looking to expand their coverage beyond the scope of Blackberry only. I use BB Connect on mine, but I am not ann AT&T user. If you have no use for BB, it's best to not think about it at all ]
Thanks to everyone who will respond.
Curtis
Don't text and drive.
Thanks to the responses so far. I added one more question above...
7) is there a ROM that makes the dialer keys bigger and/or makes one handed operation easier?
Maybe would be cool to have the "keyboard" when pressed to bring it up on the screen would come up as a T9 type keypad instead of the small letters that pretty much require the stylus to use. Not sure if there is a ROM that already addresses this.
Curtis
I use Voice Command (via my bluetooth) for dialing while driving. Works almost perfectly. Texting while driving is illegal in some states and will (hopefully soon) be made illegal in the rest. I think it's a serious hazard.
Many of the people that have had to return their units to AT&T after the initial 30 day period have received refurbished units. Most of the comments have said they have been functionally perfect. You may want to check out the AT&T return oriented threads for more details. I ended up getting my Tilt through the Premiere site for $250 less a $100 rebate. Not a bad price for a new unit if the refurbished bothers you.
As for the Blackberry issue - like many things with AT&T, it depends who you talk to within the company. I was initially sold the BB Unlimited Connect package with the phone (via Premiere Online). Then, spoke with a CSR who said it isn't even available on the phone and that I have to have the PDA connect. I could care less, so switched over. I believe I've read about others who have BB Connect without any issues.
Like any software options, you will get many answers from many people on the "best" dialer. There are a number of dialer options. I also use Finger Friendly Friends for contacts and like it alot.
I highly recommend the Tilt as a business productivity device, particularly if you live and work in a 3G area. So much so, that I sold my best friend on the phone. Tons of capabilities - several of which I hadn't even considered as selling points when I purchased it.
Ok, very good points on driving and txting... lets say I am walking (not driving anymore) and have one hand/shoulder loaded with items and don't want to stop to use both hands..... then am I screwed to quickly respond to a txt or email?
All response GREATLY appreciated thus far.
Thanks
Also seems like I need to track down a "better" contact/phone manager.....
Alright, I don't mind answering a "texting whilst walking" question, 'cos you won't kill anyone that way!
It would be impossible to send a one-handed text using the regular on-screen keyboard. Using the slide out keyboard one-handed would not be impossible but would be frustrating beyond measure (you would also drop your phone at some point).
The only way to reply to a text one-handed, in a similar way to using a non PDA phone, would be to install one of the large, on-screen virtual keyboards that you can find. There was one knocking around on this forum a couple of weeks ago but I don't recall the name of it, perhaps someone else can name and link it.
That's the only possible way I could see anyone using the device to text one-handed.
I will see if I can track down the large on-screen virtual keyboard. Thanks for the suggestions.
Curtis
I just found the new version of Resco Keyboard Pro v5.0 has a skin that is a iphone like keypad and works extremely well for one handed texting while WALKING.
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Ok, very good points on driving and txting... lets say I am walking (not driving anymore) and have one hand/shoulder loaded with items and don't want to stop to use both hands..... then am I screwed to quickly respond to a txt or email?
All response GREATLY appreciated thus far.
Thanks
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I'm not sure if the tilt has it, but in any case I have installed the HTC Touch 12 and 20 key keyboards on my Hermes. These allow me to text by using a regular phone pad or an enhanced version which follows a qwerty pattern with 1 digit and 2 letters similar to the SonyEricsson M600 phones. I myself use the 12 key one as it emulates a phone keypad very well, and it looks very cool when you're poking at a virtual keypad with your finger rather than the stylus.

how to geotag pictures?

I read that the Xperia can do this, however I cannot see on my phone how to enable this?
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I read that the Xperia can do this, however I cannot see on my phone how to enable this?
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Try locr at www.locr.com It is a very good geotagging client, imho.
thanks for your share
ok Thanks, but i was under the impression from reading the reviews that it had this capability already built in?... ok will have a look at locr
IMO geo tag feature is just a software manipulation that connects image browser/taker with the GPS.
You could also check GeoTerrestrial's GPSToday/GeoTagger (www.geoterrestrial.com). It has a lot of nice features, and does the tagging in the background if you want.
shozu works wonders, use the htc touch cab.
What the hell is geotagging ?!
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What the hell is geotagging ?!
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Embed GPS location as a tag into the picture you took with the camera. When uploaded to flickr/picasa, the web album will show a map of where you took the picture.
I tried both LOCR and GPSToday/GeoTagger on my X1. Both either hung the phone or made it run really really slowly. A soft reset was the only way to exit the program. Has anyone used either of these successfully? If so how did you set the application up?
Thanks
I had an XDA Orbit before the X1 and had to alter the registry to enable this feature. Does anyone know if this is possible on the X1 cos I was under the same impression that this should be a feature of the X1
Any ideas how to do this without external software? HTC Touch or any other from latest family can do this...
vikino said:
Any ideas how to do this without external software? HTC Touch or any other from latest family can do this...
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Don't think there is a way of this right now as the camera app in Xperia doesn't support GeoTagging.
BuddyLee said:
shozu works wonders, use the htc touch cab.
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Shozu doesn't embed the GPS pos in the EXIF header. IMHO kind of worthless if you copy the pictures to something else than using the shozu uploader.
nonno said:
I tried both LOCR and GPSToday/GeoTagger on my X1. Both either hung the phone or made it run really really slowly. A soft reset was the only way to exit the program. Has anyone used either of these successfully? If so how did you set the application up?
Thanks
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Tried locr before, but didn't find it as good to configure and use as GeoTagger.
Here's what I did to get GeoTagger to work:
Download GPSToday (http://www.geoterrestrial.com/gpstoday/)
After installing, on the Today screen, click on the map to get the map/configuration screen up.
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Go to More->GeoTag Pictures. This will start the installation of the GeoTagger plugin.
When this is done, you go to the setup of the plugin the same way (More->GeoTag Pictures)
On this screen you have a button named Auto-Run Settings. This is the settings for GeoTegging in the background.
You start or stop the background tagging process with the Start and Stop buttons in this Settings screen. You alse set the watched folder for pictures and how old the pictures can be to still tag them.
If you want to tag the pictures manually (if the GPS didn't connect in time for tagging), you have to stop the automatic geotagging here first, while you do it manually. Then, choose your position (actual position or the one on the map on the map screen), select the time span of the pictures and click on "Show & Confirm". If the button only says "Show" then the autotagging isn't stopped as above. You can also select "Run" if you don't want to confirm.
On the today screen you can click on the clock to set the GPS auto update time intervall. Setting it to an intervall gives you almost instant tagging but you won't have any battery at the end of the day! Setting it to off will start the GPS as soon as you take a new picture and tags it when it gets a fix.
Good luck!
Great howto!
thank you!
I've used GPSed http://www.gpsed.com/ on my X1. It runs in de background and records my location and track. When I get home I use geosetter to match the track that is recorded by GPSed with the photo's I've taken.
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Bas.
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Don't think there is a way of this right now as the camera app in Xperia doesn't support GeoTagging.
Shozu doesn't embed the GPS pos in the EXIF header. IMHO kind of worthless if you copy the pictures to something else than using the shozu uploader.
Tried locr before, but didn't find it as good to configure and use as GeoTagger.
Here's what I did to get GeoTagger to work:
Download GPSToday (http://www.geoterrestrial.com/gpstoday/)
After installing, on the Today screen, click on the map to get the map/configuration screen up.
Go to More->GeoTag Pictures. This will start the installation of the GeoTagger plugin.
When this is done, you go to the setup of the plugin the same way (More->GeoTag Pictures)
On this screen you have a button named Auto-Run Settings. This is the settings for GeoTegging in the background.
You start or stop the background tagging process with the Start and Stop buttons in this Settings screen. You alse set the watched folder for pictures and how old the pictures can be to still tag them.
If you want to tag the pictures manually (if the GPS didn't connect in time for tagging), you have to stop the automatic geotagging here first, while you do it manually. Then, choose your position (actual position or the one on the map on the map screen), select the time span of the pictures and click on "Show & Confirm". If the button only says "Show" then the autotagging isn't stopped as above. You can also select "Run" if you don't want to confirm.
On the today screen you can click on the clock to set the GPS auto update time intervall. Setting it to an intervall gives you almost instant tagging but you won't have any battery at the end of the day! Setting it to off will start the GPS as soon as you take a new picture and tags it when it gets a fix.
Good luck!
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thank u very much this works perfectly..but i had to figure out some stuff that u didn write..but now i don have to have a leo rom with footprints..this is much better and more options and features..
again thanx a million
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I am using Bluetooth GPS (Eztag). It is easy. I just turn on the main device and plug the receivers on the gps port of the camera, turn on the camera, keep the distance range within 10 meters, after nearly 1 minute, they work together.
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It sounds really easy. How did you buy it? Does it sell online, I am in Canada.
just use r3a camera software which is available in energy rom .. ull not need to use any software
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Yes, rather simple. I ordered it on its web.e-geotag.com Some products made in China are in good quality, like this company, which has agents in Canada. You can order local easytagger.ca.

[APP] Loudtalks Worldwide Push to Talk (walkie talkie) UPDATE 20-03-2009 UPDATE

Loudtalks Lite 0.9.0.49 for Windows Mobile UPDATE 20-03-2009
Perhaps something for you guy's.
Push to talk for Winhose Mobile.
What is Loudtalks?
Loudtalks brings voice back to the internet communications. It's a little application, which allows you to talk to your friends or colleagues instantly with a single touch of a button. Think walkie talkie. It's faster than text chat and more convenient than calls. Loudtalks is available for Windows right now, but we are working hard to bring it to other platforms soon, including your mobile phone. Loudtalks is free and will always be free.
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Release notes
Power saving mode (”Turn off screen” menu option). When you select this option device screen turns off, while Loudtalks keeps running so you can receive messages and respond to them using central navigation key.
Vibrate option (if supported by device). It’s turned on by default so when you set your status to Away or Busy your device will vibrate on new messages. You can turn it off in Settings.
Report a problem… menu option. If something doesn’t work you can send us a report right from the software.
(Hint: even if everything works please use it to send your feedback or suggestions!)
Activate contact list, when switching to Loudtalks from other applications. Now you can use push-to-talk without tapping contact list first.
Automatically select the contact, when new conversation starts. That way when you hear “New conversation” alert, even if your screen is turned off, you can respond immediately by simply pressing PTT hardware button.
The website Loudtalks.com will automatically detect Windows Mobile device browser and display a mobile-optimized page so the easiest way to get the new Loudtalks is to visit Loudtalks.com on your device
belsj said:
Perhaps something for you guy's.
Push to talk for Winhose Mobile.
What is Loudtalks?
Loudtalks brings voice back to the internet communications. It's a little application, which allows you to talk to your friends or colleagues instantly with a single touch of a button. Think walkie talkie. It's faster than text chat and more convenient than calls. Loudtalks is available for Windows right now, but we are working hard to bring it to other platforms soon, including your mobile phone. Loudtalks is free and will always be free.
http://blog.loudtalks.com/2009/01/12...-for-download/
Njoy
Belsj
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Link not found... but it sounds fun
anyway, here is the link according to the reviews, it should work on Touch Pro Sprint
However, as I understand how it work, although it's free, you still have to pay for the internet to get a connection, right? (that isn't cheap man)
Oops sorry
I've updated the link sorry
http://loudtalks.com/LoudtalksSetup.exe
There is one bug:
you cannot add or accept contacts on the ppc you must do that on the windows (PC) version
But then it works great
PC version:
http://loudtalks.com/
What are differencies in comparison with Palringo?
I don't like in PR these things:
- voice history is saved on the server and all the time you want to play them,it is necessary to download it
- you push the button and it starts to recording. after you release it,it sends it,so not realtime. how is it working here?
Anyway,it looks great.
yes it is real time and no downloading messages.
just like walkie talkies
Well,that looks great! I missed an info about history. Is it saving as some file each message or how? And it will be available for Smartphones as well? I am using SP's and it can be very good choice,if it can use all resolutions(QCIF,QVGA,QVGAls) and OS(WM2003 as well).Yes and how about transfer rate? Is GPRS/EDGE enough?
Great one!!!
Thanks
Interesting app. I'm testing now
TomasNM said:
Is GPRS/EDGE enough?
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Yes GPRS is enough. The history (voice messages) you can find them if there is a blue arrow. if you click on the arrow you see the history of that contact. you can play them as much as you like.
Loudtalks is only available for Windows desktop and Windows Mobile based handhelds
It should work fine on devices with 400 MHz+ processor and on Windows Mobile 2003, Windows Mobile 5.0 and Windows Mobile 6.0.
Anyone tried this out? How well does it work???
Any plans to port Loudtalks client to BlackBerry? My team has a mixture of WinMo and BB devices. I am WinMo, of course, but some of the suits haven't seen the light yet.
mark72501 said:
Anyone tried this out? How well does it work???
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Mark, this works very well. Since the update last week it is much better, faster en clearer.
Even now you get an roger beep befor you receive a message on the phone.
Also you can "send"speak to laptops and pc with speakers and a mic.
You can always try and you can speak to your self with the echo user.
I tested the echo, works good. But I cannot delete the messages. None of my buddy's got a Window Mobile. They prefer cheap old fashion flip phones.
Add me: xhypnotik
I want to see if it works with people.
xhypnotik said:
I tested the echo, works good. But I cannot delete the messages. None of my buddy's got a Window Mobile. They prefer cheap old fashion flip phones.
Add me: xhypnotik
I want to see if it works with people.
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Flip Phones? this was used on october 12, 1492 by our Christoffel Columbus, he called europe to say he found some strange people!! hehehehe
I add you on mine flaptop
(HaosOnline)
belsj said:
Flip Phones? this was used on october 12, 1492 by our Christoffel Columbus, he called europe to say he found some strange people!! hehehehe
I add you on mine flaptop
Belsj (HaosOnline)
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Lol! They need to make a popup or whatever when someone adds you. I almost didn't see the small flag located on the bottom right hand corner.
yeah it's hard to see, but it is better then last week.
The previous version it wasn't possible to add people or accept people. You had to accept new people on a window pc.
So it will be better, i hope.
This is a great app, been usinbg it for two weeks with wifey on our Touch Pro's
Hey guys.
take a look here pahhleese
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=480708
Nice thread
Good luck
So how can I map it to my ptt button? I installed but it didn't map it. I'm using RSW 1.6 rom. Works fine with onscreen button, but would work much better to ptt button. I can make a link to it, but just need to know the parameters.

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