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Alternative device for QTek 2020 or 2020i

Hi all,
We developed software that suits well on 2020 and 2020i. Yesterday, I noticed that the Qtek 2020i isn't available anymore!
Now we are looking for an alternative device that has the same functionalities as the 2020i WITHOUT any fragile keyrboard.
What we need is:
- GSM / GPRS
- Bluetooth
- SD-cardslot
- 3,4 " screen
- Camera on board
What are alternative devices on the market??
Sam

Charmer, Prophet, Wizard are the HTC devices currently available, see http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_PhoneModels
The processors are < Alpine. I think Prophet is the only one with a full size sd. All are WM2005.
Or have a look at your local www.expansys.com site.

Hi Kevino,
kevino said:
Charmer, Prophet, Wizard are the HTC devices currently available.
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Charmer: only has 2.8" screen
Prophet: only has 2.8" screen
Wizard: only has 2.8" screen AND keyboard
kevino said:
Or have a look at your local www.expansys.com site.
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I did this also and noticed E-ten, but they all have a 2.8" screen... :?
Any other suggestions?
Sam

Oops, diddnt notice the screen size
Don't Mio do a 'fullsized' one. The 701 has 2.7" but I thought there was another. Did a quick google but I couldn't find it.
[EDIT] Looking at http://www.mio-tech.be/products/ looks like if they did it is discontinued

i am also searching for an alternative. the alpine is almost 2 years old and the most companys just won´t to build in an 520mhz processor like in the alpine. so what is the improvement?? 3.2 inch display is also ver rare...
Has anyone of you got a device with less than 520mhz and uses powerful gps navigation like igo? what is your experience? is 400mhz (not to mention 200mhz) with windows mobile 6 enough?
I can´t belive that i have to pay 500 bugs to get a device with a new OS and LESS mhz!!!
by the way...the universal is much to big for me.
please post your opinions!!! thx.

I have the same opinion. I also don't want to buy slower device...

I have a Panda (P6300) on order. The specs are similar and the form factor nearly identical
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=735&id2=164
I'm not familiar with the Alpine, but a lot of reviewers are calling the Panda a throwback, or retro device and mentioning it in the same breath as the Alpine.
The Panda is only running at 400Mhz, but perhaps the reported speediness of WM6 might help to make up some of the difference in that regard, as compared to the Alpine's 520Mhz processor. It ships with WM5, but there is speculation that HTC will offer a WM6 upgrade.

panda?
hi, the panda seems to be a really good device.... where did you order it?? and how much?? thank you very much for further information!

I ordered mine from Dynamism. They don't carry them so it was a special order. It only took them 5 days to get it there, and they shipped it to me on Friday. I should have it Tuesday. I've seen them around from $629 - $749US. Mine was right in the middle, though I can't quote you an exact price as it was special order. You can call them to find out what they would charge you.
I hope it is good device. It is nothing fancy and has drawbacks, but it should serve me well so long as it does well what it is supposed to do.
Good Luck!

Why don't we try to get the WM 5.0 out of the panda and try it in our ALPINEs
Did any one try to do that ?

BT have a new one out aimed at the Corporate user who missed something similar to the XDA2i with its larger screen. Cant remember what it is called but it is the same form factor as the XDA2i just WM5 and a better camera. Made specially for them by HTC.

The new o2 one with a 3.5 inch screen is called the XDA Argon basically an updated XDA2i, think it came out in July

HTC NEW GPS ROM - This is frustrating!

Hi,
Where is the new rom from HTC to enable our Trinitys with GPS capability? I know the Dopod rom is out but it has a lot of jargon attached to it. They said March and it came and no news.
Thanks,
Gilbert

Gilbert said:
Hi,
Where is the new rom from HTC to enable our Trinitys with GPS capability? I know the Dopod rom is out but it has a lot of jargon attached to it. They said March and it came and no news.
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I agree this is frustrating. The DOPOD ROM has been available for a month now and basically they are the same company. They don't seem to care too much for their European customers.

Answer from HTC last Week
I ask HTC last week, from where i can get an update, because i didn't bought the p3600 from a provider. This was the answer:
The HTC P3600 currently does not offer GPS Functionality. While we are aware that some other derivatives of the P3600 may have already released this update, HTC has not yet set a date on the final release of the ROM update, as other updates are being included in the release.
Please continue to check the www.europe.htc.com support section for an update section, which is to be included once ROM updates have been released.

i've given up waiting, just flashed mine with a GPS enabled rom

i think. they'll out in second half of march... be patient

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...as other updates are being included in the release....
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Dude, that sounds hot! What if one of those other updates is WM6 or some really useful bug-fix?

There are a plethora of other bugs on this device that need fixing (camera driver issues, cpu/imageon compatibility issues, skype speaker issue). I for one will be happy to wait until the end of the month if we get fixes for other issues too.

I've got a Spanish Trinity and also made a question about the GPS ROM update to HTC, here is the answer:
Thank you for your enquiry concerning the HTC P3600 mobile device.
The HTC P3600 currently does not offer GPS Functionality. There is a possibility of an update to enable the GPS functions of the device at a future date, and we hope to be able to do this as soon as possible, but we cannot and do not guarantee this.? If you buy the P3600 for possible future GPS functionality, you do so entirely at your own risk.
I hope we have it shortly but I've got my doubts!!!

RXN said:
I've got a Spanish Trinity and also made a question about the GPS ROM update to HTC, here is the answer:
Thank you for your enquiry concerning the HTC P3600 mobile device.
The HTC P3600 currently does not offer GPS Functionality. There is a possibility of an update to enable the GPS functions of the device at a future date, and we hope to be able to do this as soon as possible, but we cannot and do not guarantee this.? If you buy the P3600 for possible future GPS functionality, you do so entirely at your own risk.
I hope we have it shortly but I've got my doubts!!!
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That's the same message they were sending in December. Obviously the support people can only feed you with canned responses when it comes to future products or enhancements.

Hello,
I have just bought P3600 except operator pack.
I know that Orange brought out a ROM with the GPS. Having an orange abo, that will happen if I put this rom? Has it a risk there of shooting my HTC?
Thx
bonjour,
je viens d'acheter un P3600 hors offre opérateur.
Je sais qu'Orange a sortie une ROM avec le GPS. Ayant un abo orange, que se passera t il si je mets cette rom? Y a t il un risque de shooter mon téléphone?
D'avance merci
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It really shoes that htc give a sh*** about their europoean costomers.
Here in germany already vodafone got the trinity with gps ans sells it under their brand. but you cant download the rom.
I'm going to try to get the rom at vodafone on the cebit in 2 weeks. But I don't think I'll be successfull. I think theys will tell me "You cant get the rom because you don't own a original vodafone product" or stuff like that.
I'll never buy an htc pda again this supoort is joke! They're sending the same messages for month. I guess they think: "Hey this guy already baught our product, so why should we take care of if he gets gps on it."

to be honnest, all the gps roms like the one from dopod and orange still have bugs in them.
no bass, touchdcreenslowdown etc;
i'd rather wait a bit longer for an htc rom if that means those bugs are fixed awell

I mean it would be ok if htc says that they realse it in april or even in may. But they say nothing, so it's possible too that they never release a gps update for the htc P3600.

You are right guys, it would be better if HTC would tell us at least the month they will realease their Rom update but nothing. I bought a product which costs more than my salary here in tunsia an got a product which would be perfect if the bugs would be fixed, but theres no reaction which can help us out of this problem, I would wait until june or even july. After the HTC Magician, HTC just sold gargabe, Im not contently with the support of HTC, I think thats the last time I´ve bought something of them.

Spoke to the HTC Boogers in London to ask them when they are releasing their rom upgrade with GPS enabled and they said they still don't know yet and they acknowledged that a rom is in the cooking but they cannot confirm if the GPS or WM6 will be included but they said that they are addressing all the errors and bugs found in the earlier rom to be fixed in the new rom. They mentioned something like two to three months for the new rom release. BIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next time I will buy a bloody Dopod and live with their network jargon on the device

Gilbert said:
Next time I will buy a bloody Dopod
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Next time I might buy an HP. At least they have a good record in terms of providing bug fixes and updates. It doesn't make sense to buy the most feature rich device if it takes ages to fix bugs and deliver full functionality.
The "busy signal through loudspeaker" bug is just ridiculous. They should have fixed it months ago.

Ranting!
I dont understand your ranting. This device is marvelous. You can get GPS if you use other roms. I do not have a touchscreen issue and with my Bluetooth headset sound is okay. There is no device on the market with all this (working!) features AND this smart design and form factor. I had an Dell Axim x51v before and support was a nightmare!

anonimo said:
Next time I might buy an HP. At least they have a good record in terms of providing bug fixes and updates.
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buhahahahahahahahahahahaha sorry no offense but you MUST be clueless

saminegm said:
I dont understand your ranting. This device is marvelous. You can get GPS if you use other roms. I do not have a touchscreen issue and with my Bluetooth headset sound is okay. There is no device on the market with all this (working!) features AND this smart design and form factor. I had an Dell Axim x51v before and support was a nightmare!
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I agree. After upgrading to the Dopod rom, installing SPB Mobile Shell instead of SPB PocketPlus and upgrading to Navigon 6.1 gps software, this device works fast and very stable. It is much better than I originally anticipated.

NLS said:
buhahahahahahahahahahahaha sorry no offense but you MUST be clueless
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I have never used HP PocketPC phones but I had three HP iPaq PocketPCs in the past (two of them were actually still branded Compaq) and for two of those three HP/Compaq provided an upgrade to the next OS release and generally for all of them they issued at least 10 updates/patches/improvements. You can check the HP site and find these updates yourself.
On the other hand HTC/Qtek/Dopod have never ever offered OS upgrades and their response time in handling problems has always been awful. In fact I own a Qtek S200 bought on Expansys and to this date I would not have access to any correction at all if it wasn't for this site. I would not be able to use my stereo bluetooth headset with that phone because there is no OFFICIAL way to enable A2DP on that phone even if we all know that it is technically possible and I have used the "home-made" solution for months.
Honestly it just stinks that we must rely on this site and patch products costing 400 pounds with unofficial software to make them work correctly. And I see this as HTC's fault.
SO: no, I am not clueless and I am reporting my specific personal experience. On the other hand you have just sent a meaningless message without any substance as to why I would be "clueless".

(News) WM6.1 to be officially released next week!!!

Windows Mobile 6.1 will be formally released next week Looks official!!
Tuesday Pocket Lint reported ( http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/13612/14636/windows-mobile-61-coming-april.phtml) that Microsoft is ready publish the latest version of Windows Mobile, time will be next week Tuesday. The Microsoft Windows Mobile team member in charge "Robbie Bach" had earlier mentioned this at the CTIA Wireless conference in Las Vegas during a keynote speech. Windows Mobile 6.1 will be the last version 6.0 release of the first major update. Earlier this year the title leaked out (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/gallery/handsets/windows-mobile-61/) showing that 6.1 might use a smoother interface than the 6.0 interface, but it is unclear if that is a smart phone only or will be related to EM Pro devices also.
Windows Mobile 6.1 is supposed to increase on the basics of improvements much like the WM5 to WM6 transition.
Next year, Microsoft is expected to follow the script Mac OS X, introduced a with a new touch-screen user interface for the Windows Mobile 7. ( http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?h...a.cn/+&hl=en&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-us )
Finally I need to point out that next Tuesday is April Fool's Day, but this is only a coincidence I hope.
See the above links for the Details from MS blogs.

LOOKS official... that is a UK website. is there any news of 6.1 being released in the US? what meger searching i did proved fruitless and i was just wondering if anyone has seen nething about it

should say "released to oems" not you and me
as per the way microsoft rolls out "updates" to windows mobile, device manufacturers are responsible for porting and making updates available per device. availability is usually sorted
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i know this is a stupid question....im am new to this, and this is my first windows mobile phone. I have the tilt and I know its running WM6.0, is it going to be available to download for us? for free? sorry for the noob question

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i know this is a stupid question....im am new to this, and this is my first windows mobile phone. I have the tilt and I know its running WM6.0, is it going to be available to download for us? for free? sorry for the noob question
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go to the kaiser rom development and read the wiki and yes is the answer in simple terms

yea 6.1 will be free because its a minor update only... WM7 will not be free but it doesnt release until later next year... Also, 6.1 is available in parts in some of the roms on this site... Its not worth it unless ur a fan of threaded SMS... it has nothing so important to upgrade...
I am just waiting for pointUI to come out with version 2.0

drownage said:
yea 6.1 will be free because its a minor update only... WM7 will not be free but it doesnt release until later next year... Also, 6.1 is available in parts in some of the roms on this site... Its not worth it unless ur a fan of threaded SMS... it has nothing so important to upgrade...
I am just waiting for pointUI to come out with version 2.0
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What can we expect in pointUI 2.0?

drownage said:
yea 6.1 will be free because its a minor update only... WM7 will not be free but it doesnt release until later next year... Also, 6.1 is available in parts in some of the roms on this site... Its not worth it unless ur a fan of threaded SMS... it has nothing so important to upgrade...
I am just waiting for pointUI to come out with version 2.0
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pointUI will definitly be great but as long as you end up in the "classic" applications behind I find the finger-controls more or less worthless. Therefore I really look forward to WM7. This could be a really revolutionary WM release.

Purchase Microsoft Voice Command 1.6.19209

So I'm looking for MS Voice command 1.6.19209 which is apparently the latest build.
I tried to ask handango.com/ sales about what build number exactly of the application I would be getting if I'd purchase it from them, these morons keep replying - 1.6.
So the question is the latest build 1.6.19209 available for purchase from any of online retailers?
Thanks,
Yury

I have that same concern. If Handango and others aren't immediately in possession of the latest version of something I wish to purchase, I won't buy from them. I bought SKTools, discovered that a newer version of what I bought was available and was instructed to redownload -- I did so, and didn't get the latest. I went to the author's site, downloaded it, and used whatever key I received from Handango.
Since we're talking about downloading purchased software, this isn't a stock issue where they have to sell-off their current stock before restocking. Getting straight answers from Microsoft would easily be as frustrating... I have no answers, only stress.

It look slike Voice Command will be standard to WM6.1 Pro. In fact the version specifically mentioned in the OP is the version in the Leaked at&t WM6.1 Rom.
Personally, I'd say wait for WM6.1 and save the $40. BTW once it is released in a SHIPPED Rom it will no longer be considered Warez as it is will be freely included in the OS..

kyphur said:
It look slike Voice Command will be standard to WM6.1 Pro. In fact the version specifically mentioned in the OP is the version in the Leaked at&t WM6.1 Rom.
Personally, I'd say wait for WM6.1 and save the $40. BTW once it is released in a SHIPPED Rom it will no longer be considered Warez as it is will be freely included in the OS..
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Good advice. If it's included in the ROM and a new version of the utility is released, can it be written over the version from the ROM? I presume that it can, short of a reset which would revert it back, right?

Official 6.5 update

Anyone know how this will be rolled out. I figure i see 6.5 before i make my decision to sell this phone.

No one knows
When its out it will be posted here.
http://www.t-mobile.com/wmupgrade/

i emailed the customer support center about winmo 6.5 rom update and they told me its coming in 3 - 4 weeks time,and they told me there will be a newer version of touchflo 3d instore..cant wait!