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Hi!
This post might seem abit anoying or so but I am trying to decide if I should get this phone now or wait and see what happens with the GPS and the memory issue, I can also state I prolly will be a messaging freak like MSN/Skype and so just dont know how bad that will go with the memory issue... also ofc MP3 / Webradio most of the day at work.
I also want to add I have read everything here from day to day just so you know I am not posting this just for a fast shortcut in my life, I basicly want to get some feedback from ppl that have used this phone more the just a simple review on Google ^^
so... basicly I have some fast questions
1. Do you find the memory beeing an issue if I wanna run MSN/Skype/Music at the same time (ofc Skype / Music aint at the same time but Skype will prolly be online in the backgruond for incomming calls)
2. The battery I also read is somewhat of a issue, also read about the ppl trying to find bigger ones but will it like last 8-10 hours if I use it like in question 1.
3. I also read somewhere that the Basic verison of WM6 dont have as much support for programs like the Pro does? (Not as many programs made for Basic?) and if that is true I have noooooo clue at all
If I come to think of soemthing more later I'll ask again.
Well thx in advance to the ppl that will give me some guidance in my life here during new year times and with to much money in my christmas gifts I wish you all a HAPPY NEW YEAR!
//Belaial
my long road to the s730 wings
I dont know if this will answer any of your questions but I thought it was appropriate enough to post.
I started with the T-Mobile Dash which is indentical to the HTC s620. I broke the screen right away and instead of replacing it I decided to purchase an unlocked version I could use with my T-Mobile account while travelling abroad. (I have since learned I could have just unlocked my Dash) Well broke that screen too...I guess the phone is a bit too wide to be shoved in a pocket. I then purchased an unlocked TYTN II (Kaiser) which is identical to the ATT Tilt but since I had T-Mobile I went for the unlocked version. The Kaiser was a nice upgrade from the s620 since it has a faster processor and WM6 Pro. It also has GPS which I purchased the TomTom software for only to find out that I liked my TomTom in my car better and never used it on the phone. It was nice that the screen tilted but it was like carrying around a lead weight all the time. I also hated the touch screen because it kept hitting buttons when I would use the phone. I then purchased an Iphone and switched to ATT (could have got the tilt in the first place). Hated the Iphone for the following reasons:
1. No 3G
2. Slippery and wants to jump out of your hand
3. Cannot install third party apps
4. No USB connector
5. Email sucked and didnt sync with outlook
6. ITunes wouldnt install on Vista64-bit
I will say that the iphone had an amazing screen and is great for thsoe who want the "wow" factor but for those like me who text and email a ton it just wasnt good enought especially since you cannot install any third party apps.
My good friend owns an s710 and I really love it so i decided to purchase that s730 which is basically a 710 with a faster processor and 3g. I love this phone so far and the only downside is they didnt give it the htc rubber backing my s620 and kaiser had. It doesnt slip though but the rubber would have been nice.
If you are looking for speed I feel it is fast for a smartphone and is faster than the kaiser probably due to a bit smaller screen and less demanding apps. The memory is not a problem and everything seems to work great so far. The battery seems to last twice as long as the kaiser which only lasted a day. I am hoping to get at least two days but with a smartphone more than a day is good. Overall I think the s730 is a powerhouse in a small package. It is what I have been waiting for in a phone. It could be a bit slimmer but I guess I will have to wait for another version Hope this helps!
Yeah thx for the Re:
Might go ahead and order one soon then ^^
yup second day now and battery still has 30% left since it came out of the box (havent charged it once yet). I talked on it all day too but didnt use much of the keyboard or internet/bluetooth. The battery life is plenty good enough!
i wont tell you, that you shouldnt buy this phone, but: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356677
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i wont tell you, that you shouldnt buy this phone, but: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356677
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Thx for all replies, I will take everything in cosideration
Hi,
I got this phone only for one week now, but I must say I am amazed. I was going for the Kaiser, but that's too heavy for me to put in my pants
The Wings is still a bit heavy, but it's amazing what it can do. I use it for phone/pushmail/calendar/sms and can type pretty fast on that little keyboard now.
I do however charge it every night, but with regular use of mail I can hold it for 2 days.
The UMTS/HSDPA works flawless and at home / office it switches to WiFi perfectly.
My Audi A4 Carkit recognises the phone and I can even use the Audi software to dial/see diallog (missed/received calls etc), where my Nokia N73 just would only connect and I had to use the N73 keypad.
If only the GPS could also come to live, it is my ideal phone!
Hans
I'm trying to see the death rate of the Kaiser, If you have ever had any problem with your Kaiser/Tilt/yada yada, vote the poll, leave one here.
Problem Defined As:
An issue that ended in a return (wash out or RLoD (RIP Kaiser I))
Or:
An issue that had you flabbergasted for more than 24 hours and had your phone in a non-operatable condition. (Duttys snow screen etc.)
microphone failed after 1.5months. took 3 weeks to repair.
not good enough
No problems. TyTN II version. 6 months (right when it was released).
Doing alright on this end. Went rom to rom and no ROLD or anything....yet.
my kaiser just broke, i was sent a new one.
the screen just cracked, i didnt do anything. i was in school, before class i looked at my phone and it was fine, then about 15-20 minutes later i looked again and the screen was white and cracked.
i owned it about 4 months.
theres been other reports on the forum of broken screen, even in the middle of charging on the computer!
Failed WiFi. Exchanged after 2 weeks. The replacement has been trouble free.
50 votes and 5 replies?
mannn...
RLOD return
RLOD on Tilt #1
Tilt #2 working fine
had tilt since christmas...used many cooked and factory roms....still works perfectly. no probs....KNOCK ON WOOD.....hahahahaha
Crashed during boot with stock rom.... took 3 weeks to fix...
My Tilt inexplicably stopped allowing the battery to charge. Replacement process was excellent.
I have had mine for about 2 months and not problems so far, its a Vario III... I wonder if its a particular incarnation eg the tilt perhaps...?
The problem with this poll is that there's no telling how many "problem free"s right now might later have become a "sadly..", since once the vote is cast that's it.
That said, my Kaiser (originally a Vodafone V1615, flashed to the generic HTC rom) is problem free after 4 months so far. Although obviously it will now break tomorrow!
two months old, only problem is that now and again, all the icons disappear from the programs folder and the settings. fixed by a soft reset, but is the same on every rom i have tried, any ideas?
I guess a mod got to my triple post as i was attempting to edit them... anyways i had one kaiser for a week, and when you slid the screen to cover the keypad it seemed to come out a little further then it should creating a small lip. I gave that one to my dad, and now i've got another one which has no problem at all.
BTW both are the ATT Tilt variants and NO i didn't give the first one to my dad cuz its broken, i actually ordered him a new one on ebay, just didn't arrive in time. Actually it arrived like 2 hours after his flight departed haha.
Upgraded to tilt before I knew of this site, Had 4 total in the first month. The first three all had the "failure to wake" issue. The 4th one is working just fine. Well so far...........
screen broken after a small fall
Sadly, I broke my tytn II screen after four months of happiness. It was really a small fall :-(
Glad to say that I've had my phone since October, flashed it more times than anyone can count and it's still going strong w/o any problems.
well..one more pessimistic thread..lol
on a side note..YAY!!! "problem free" people touched 100!
my condolensces with the unlucky 20%..gosh thats still a large number..
but then..usually people who have problems with their devices visit forums...
or people who want to modify their kaiser (and sometimes screw it up in the process)
so i guess this poll wont be fair to judge kaiser..
I have 2 tilts and they both run fine..so i roll on 100%..lol
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twistkill said:
well..one more pessimistic thread..lol
on a side note..YAY!!! "problem free" people touched 100!
my condolensces with the unlucky 20%..gosh thats still a large number..
but then..usually people who have problems with their devices visit forums...
or people who want to modify their kaiser (and sometimes screw it up in the process)
so i guess this poll wont be fair to judge kaiser..
I have 2 tilts and they both run fine..so i roll on 100%..lol
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My kaiser went down after 3 months... was one of the unlucky first brodit users!!! hahaha, repair service was excellent though!!!
Besides that never encountered a problem
Im thinking this because many people who were early adopters with the UK/Euro HTC Diamonds are frustrated with a battery that lasts little more than 12 hours, some people (if they dont push email) a day. Others, particularly those who had the later Diamonds (inc the operator branded ones) are reporting 1.5 - 2 days of usage.
If this is a real problem the HTC should have a recall on their hands. Im hesitant to send mine back (First UK batch) though, even though mine lasts little more than 10-12 hours while pushing email.
What do people think the faults are, the hardware, the ROM or the battery itself?
My Touch Diamond lasts for barely a day, which is amazingly irritating, I've heard most people go on about them getting 2 days, which is what I would have expected considering my old HTC Wizard could get 3 days if you pushed it.
I have a strange battery- li-ion polymer - is there any issue with that? I had a Diamond from first generation , I bought another one , I sold the first but I kept first battery (li-ion polymer). The second one had li-ion battery.
i think it is down to how you use the phone.
i can get 3 days easy if i dont use it alot but i can
also kill it in a day sometimes if im busy.
I think it's all about a one-time calibration. Many notice an increase in lifetime of a battery charge after some use. I made the same observation.
Since I installed a new Hard-SPL, a new radio and a new ROM the battery meter falls rapidly with even the smallest use. I think (hope) that once I discharge the battery nearly to 0% the meter knows how much charge the battery really can hold.
I read somewhere that it's quite impossible to determine the exact charge level of a Li-Ion battery if it's constantly charged und discharged a bit as measurement gets off more and more with each incident.
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I read somewhere that it's quite impossible to determine the exact charge level of a Li-Ion battery if it's constantly charged und discharged a bit as measurement gets off more and more with each incident.
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No doubt... Yesterday I ran down a portable PC battery from 100% (think it was about 1.5 hours of use). At 0% it kept going for 30 minutes (!!!) before starting to flicker and shut down.
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Im thinking this because many people who were early adopters with the UK/Euro HTC Diamonds are frustrated with a battery that lasts little more than 12 hours, some people (if they dont push email) a day. Others, particularly those who had the later Diamonds (inc the operator branded ones) are reporting 1.5 - 2 days of usage.
If this is a real problem the HTC should have a recall on their hands. Im hesitant to send mine back (First UK batch) though, even though mine lasts little more than 10-12 hours while pushing email.
What do people think the faults are, the hardware, the ROM or the battery itself?
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i sent my diamond to the repair center because my battery last only 10 hour without using the phone....in Idle mode, with only the phone on, bt,gps,wifi off.
I hope htc recognize some hardware fault....
the repair center is slow.....about 1 month of waiting..
I think the battery just generally sucks, mine isn't a first batch i don't think (purchased + recieved on T-mobile (MDA Compact IV) a week ago) and i still get poor battery life!
mine lasts about 2/3days
im a light user...don't really bash the phone
but im in hong kong in a couple of weeks
will treat myself to a beter battery while im there
got mine yesterday, and yeah, the battery is horrible
i hope it will improve with a bit of time... i'm still going to add tweaks, and probably flash it too
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got mine yesterday, and yeah, the battery is horrible
i hope it will improve with a bit of time... i'm still going to add tweaks, and probably flash it too
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well the newer ROM's are generally much better than the older ones, so if your diamond shipped with an old ROM you may see a considerable improvement.
kolbac Im waiting for your response considering you are the first one, who actually send the phone back. Im also considering this. Im havin 10-12 hours standby aswell. First EU batch. bought in june.
I did send my Diamond back, although for another matter but battery-live was poor too. The new one I recieved back is what I expected in the first place: stable operation and a battery-live of at least two days, most of the time even longer.
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kolbac Im waiting for your response considering you are the first one, who actually send the phone back. Im also considering this. Im havin 10-12 hours standby aswell. First EU batch. bought in june.
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Hi, don't know if in your country take the diamond to a repair center is fast and simple.
Here in italy is a pain in the a**.
There is only one authorized center in all the country and that is in milan, and you have 2 choices:
ship by yourself the phone to the "contact center in milan" or take the phone to a repair center near you and then they have to ship to milan.
So u spend alot of time in this chains and you don't have a direct contact with the technicians.
plus now there was the summer holidays so the workflow is slow.
For sure with only 10-12 hour of standby the diamond isn't usable for me so in my opinion you should take it to a repair center.
bye
Hi all, i've got an HTC Elfin.
My friend wants to exchange my Elfin with his Diamond (and some cash).
Of course i'd be interested, the only thing that makes me unsure is the diamond's battery...
I heard that it isn't very durable and on pdadb i've seen that it's only 900mA, against the 1300mA of mine.
Is this really a problem? How long does your battery work?
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Hi all, i've got an HTC Elfin.
My friend wants to exchange my Elfin with his Diamond (and some cash).
Of course i'd be interested, the only thing that makes me unsure is the diamond's battery...
I heard that it isn't very durable and on pdadb i've seen that it's only 900mA, against the 1300mA of mine.
Is this really a problem? How long does your battery work?
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My Diamond lasted threw the 10 hour work day when it was new not so much anymore tho. how ever I have 2 email accounts set up as "as items arrive", weather updates every 30min, twitter updates every 30min, facebook... and so on... so lots of data being used which kills the batt.
Lol my battery are Very ****ing durable
Ehh.... My Battery can last like 3-5 Days if u got tha right Rom(Custom Os) and Right Settings it all should be very nice and my diamond is soon like 3-5 months old if i were u in that situation i would do it
I have the stock from verizon, my battery dies in about 4-6 hours of standbye. 4 if i talk any or use the Instant messenger.
I hate my diamond, if i had not paid so much for it, i would junk it and buy...anything.
my old Diamond would get a solid day or two. Sometimes 3 if i didn't use it to much.
Custom ROMs definitely improve battery life, and it is simple to unlock and flash a rom to the phone, much easier than on this Evo4g lol.
I now have all the radios turned off and the phone in airplane mode. A full charge, lasted me close to 3 weeks. I simply let my son play with it and it keeps him entertained swiping the screens and everything.
Have had my Diamond for about 6 months now and using energyrom. I get about a day and bit on a full charge. If I do a few conversations and get on a wifi a few times, I will need to charge before the end of the day. Not the greatest battery but that's what car chargers are for!
Since updating my HD7 to 7392 the battery is dead at 8pm despite me hardly using the phone at all.
Previously, even with lots of use I never got to the critical warning before plugging it in at 11pm.
Sick of this WP7 **** now. Phone still 16 bit colour as well.
Phone is o2 UK but debranded using petbede's method, then official NoDo and official 7392 installed over the top.
Didn't regret not getting the iPhone 4 for a few months but I'm starting to now.
So no-one else affected?
Well, I'm now restoring back to 7390. If this doesn't fix it I'm gonna get rid of this damn phone and god knows what I'll end up with.
Has anyone noticed trade in values for the HD7 have gone to ****? I'll be lucky to end up back where I started on an iPhone 3G.
Have you bothered to recondition your battery? As in charge it full, drain it all the way, then recharge.
If so, contact HTC for a replacement battery. The 7392 was only security patches, nothing is related to battery life.
But if you are too lazy to do that, go ahead. Have fun with your new/old IPhone 3G.
Ive noticed my battery dies alot quicker now to but I totally forgot that I updated my phone until now.lol
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Have you bothered to recondition your battery? As in charge it full, drain it all the way, then recharge.
If so, contact HTC for a replacement battery. The 7392 was only security patches, nothing is related to battery life.
But if you are too lazy to do that, go ahead. Have fun with your new/old IPhone 3G.
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Thanks but it's literally gone since I did the update. Previously it would last me the whole day.
I'll try a few sets of charging and draining, but it will be interesting to see what happens now that I've rolled it back to 7390.
I understood it to be the same as you, 7392 is just a security update. But something about the process of installing updates seems to cause battery issues.
I really don't want to go back to an iPhone as when I use my wife's 3GS it seems very dated compared to WP7. But I'm sick of the hassle of WP7 at the moment!
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Thanks but it's literally gone since I did the update. Previously it would last me the whole day.
I'll try a few sets of charging and draining, but it will be interesting to see what happens now that I've rolled it back to 7390.
I understood it to be the same as you, 7392 is just a security update. But something about the process of installing updates seems to cause battery issues.
I really don't want to go back to an iPhone as when I use my wife's 3GS it seems very dated compared to WP7. But I'm sick of the hassle of WP7 at the moment!
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no such issues..... how do u test the screen for 16 bit... my screen looks crisp and hd still...
I noticed this last night.
I charged it fully before going to work at 8pm then time it came to 12:30 i had used over 3/4 of the battery just by web surfing and sending 8 sms.
Mine is a o2 HD7 but running the euro htc rom, i always let it run out and recharge to full.
Im thinking more and more of binning WP7 just a shame my device has afew knocks to it otherwise it would be trade in. Looks like its heading to the back of the draw.
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I noticed this last night.
I charged it fully before going to work at 8pm then time it came to 12:30 i had used over 3/4 of the battery just by web surfing and sending 8 sms.
Mine is a o2 HD7 but running the euro htc rom, i always let it run out and recharge to full.
Im thinking more and more of binning WP7 just a shame my device has afew knocks to it otherwise it would be trade in. Looks like its heading to the back of the draw.
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Exactly the same as me, I'm running the unbranded euro HTC rom too.
Did your battery problems start after installing 7392?
One of the reasons I bought into WP7 was the hope of getting the updates and things improving. Never considered the possibility that updates could make things worse.
Ive only been running the update for a week and the battery wasnt that gr8 before hand but last night opened my eyes to how bad since this patch.
I would do a hard reset and see if that helps but as MS left out a way to back-up SMS im a little stuck.
How ever im feeling that wp7 is all its cracked up to be, looking at whats coming in mango is good but i feel the battery may suffer.
Since downgrading back to 7390 my battery life has returned to normal!
Hammered the phone with a good hour or calls today and even now the battery is not dead, it will last till going on charge at bed time.
What the hell is going on with 7392 then!?!
Did you hard reset?
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Did you hard reset?
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No just downgraded via standard Zune option.
Just saw this update for my phone out and then saw this thread. Are others having the issue with the battery? I will gladly hold off on this update if it really does drain it that much.
Any other confirmations?
I can't imagine the Security update causes this, perhaps a new Radio is downloaded with the update?
I'm on Unbranded Euro ROM and the same OS version 7.0.7392.0 with Radio Software 5.54.09.21_22.33b.50.10U, can someone post their Radio from OS Version 7390?
P.S. I haven't actually noticed any Battery drain since the update. I cahrge every night from about 11pm - 7am and my phone will last untill I put it on charge again at the same times.
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Just saw this update for my phone out and then saw this thread. Are others having the issue with the battery? I will gladly hold off on this update if it really does drain it that much.
Any other confirmations?
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I updated mine yesterday and haven't noticed any difference in battery life.
I just uptaded, I will post results tomorrow
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First day experience of mine,Battery is dead after 7392 update 15 minute talk 20 sms in 7 hours!I am going to downgrade tonight back previus Rom!
Yeah, I feel this thing too,
The battery are more faster draining than old in my HD7 (O2DE Rom).
Just play few game for a hour and my battery is lower than 20%.
I'm in the same boat...
After the update, not only is my battery draining faster, but my reception actually seems worse (subjective).
I hope we can find out why and get a fix for this sharpish as it's driving me nuts having to carry my charger around with me (quite a heavy user)...
So does anybody who's rolled/rolling back fancy posting their Radio versions to compare?