I posted this question before, but no one answered. But this problem drives me crazy!
My Kaiser turned off when the battery was running out.
When I connect wall power to charge it, the orange LED indicates it was charging, but just few seconds later it automatically boot, and the orange LED was off.
The problem is, it can't boot into OS due to low battery(it only shows "Smart Mobility", but can't even enter bootloader mode) And only if it boots into OS successfully, it can be charged.
Anyone met this problem on any other devices before?
How can I stop auto boot when charging?
What can I do?
That must be something specific to the rom on yours... mine does not automatically boot when when power is applied (assuming it is off, not just in sleep mode), and it charges fine when powered off.
dscline said:
That must be something specific to the rom on yours... mine does not automatically boot when when power is applied (assuming it is off, not just in sleep mode), and it charges fine when powered off.
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Thanks
I use the ROM from this forum
RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_1.56.405.5_radio_sign_22.45.88.07_1.27.12.11_Ship
What is yours?
I'm just using the stock AT&T Tilt rom.
Here's the fix!
Yes, I've had the same problem a few times on my Vario (Wizard). Very annoying.
Here's what to do:
- Take a mini-usb cable (the one you use for sync and charging from a PC) and cut off the mini-USB connector
- Strip the wires
- Take the battery out of your TyTN
- Carefully connect the ground wire (black) with the ground connector (-) on the battery. Fix it with clear tape.
- Now do the same with the (+) (red wire).
- Attach the USB cable to a running PC and let the battery charge for about an hour. After that, put it back in your phone, you'll be able to boot it up and charge it the regular way.
Yes, it costs you a cable, but it solves the problem.
dscline said:
That must be something specific to the rom on yours... mine does not automatically boot when when power is applied (assuming it is off, not just in sleep mode), and it charges fine when powered off.
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I think you misunderstood. The problem is that the phone only charges when the OS has loaded completely. So if you really run your battery out completely and there is not enough power in your battery to boot up the phone (read: it turns off again before the boot has completed) you won't be able to charge it the regular way. SOMETIMES a heavier charger (2A) does seem to be able to charge the battery even with the OS shut down, but most of the times it won't work anymore... see below for fix.
SteRo said:
I think you misunderstood. The problem is that the phone only charges when the OS has loaded completely.
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That's not how I read the original post:
When I connect wall power to charge it, the orange LED indicates it was charging, but just few seconds later it automatically boot, and the orange LED was off.
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Based on this, it sounds like it is starting to charge without the phone booted (orange LED on), but for some reason it then automatically boots up, then crashes because there's not enough power(??)
But if the problem IS that the phone only charges when the OS has loaded, that is also not how my phone operates. In fact, that even goes against the manual, which tells you to plug the phone in (without turning on the phone) and let it charge fully for the initial charge before turning on the phone and allowing it to boot.
Sorry if I misunderstand, but neither way is how my phone operates... it can charge without the OS loaded, and the phone does not automatically boot once power is applied.
Not sure I fully understand what's going on here but, I am wondering if the power on/off button is stuck in (i.e the micro-switch is clicked in and not releasing). I cannot think of any other reason the device would turn on when connecting the charger if the device is powered completely off. ( Except perhaps shorted connections in the Usb port)
Mike
To SteRo:
Thx a lot for the solution, I tried, but still doesn't work.(I charge it more than 2 hours, and still can't boot into OS)
To mikechannon:
yes, it happened. :-( the power on/off button is NOT stucked. And the device is powered off completely.
To All:
Thx for your reply. What I mean is almost what dscline said:
It starts to charge without the phone booted (orange LED on), but for some reason it then automatically boots up(around 15 sec after I plugin power), meanwhile orange LED is off. But it can't load into OS, just re-boot again and again because there's no enough battery. That makes it's impossible to charge, 'coz it's only charged when the OS has loaded completely.
Anyway, I called customer service to ask them replace the battery. I may try to use different ROM and see what will happen. I'll post the result here.
It's also possible that it has nothing to do with the battery or charging at all. I just checked mine, and the charging indicator is lit with the unit off, but it does go out for a bit during the boot processes, then comes back on again. So what you're seeing with the charging light is normal. It may simply be that there's something corrupted, or some other failure with the device, that is causing it to not boot properly, and get stuck in a reboot loop. If so, it will probably do the same thing with a completely charged battery. You may have just been assuming that it was related to a low charge.
That's what I'm worry about,, Coz I can't boot it by SteRo's solution.
okay... they say trouble comes in three's...
Yesterday I flew to Asia, 20-hours with a full charge. No suprises during the trip. Checked email from Narita during the layover, no prob. But after I arrived in Taipei I received the low battery warning. Plugged in my usb-to-usb (notebook to kaiser) cable and "no charge light"!
This morning I plugged it into a ac battery charger and waited for >10 minutes, still no charge light.
Now, at the risk of a battery, I'm attempting to charge the battery removed from the kaiser using the previous mentioned method. In an hour I'll test it.
This afternoon I'll pick up a new battery charger and spare battery.
In 14-months with my trusty TyTN (cht9000) I never once had a problem like this... I'm a little bummed right now...
[update]
okay -- battery is okay and can be charged externally (using the two wire method or an external battery charger). BUT... the device still won't take a charge using either a direct AC adapter or a USB cord. This was also retested after performing a hard-reset. Not a good sign folks.
The charger works (connected to a Trinity), so it's not the problem. They battery works (charged to 45% after 45-minutes connected to an external battery charger). The HTC OS after a clean hard-reset used to work but now doesn't, so it's unlikely it's software related.
I've made no other modifications to the bootloader or SSPL... everything is original stock. Wish I had my TyTN with me right about now...
Sounds like something I had on my previous TyTN:
The power connector was a bit flaky on my charger at home. So when I'd hookup the powerlead it would charge to 10 secs or so and then no longer charge. I had to put some pressure on the connector to have it continue to charge. So I put a ballpen on the powerlead, just under the phone, when charging.
It's a long shot - hope of use. When you've connected the phone to power, and the orange light goes off, try wiggeling the connector a bit - see if that helps.
Hope of use.
Re
OK,
I've got excactly the same problems... I dont want to make you illusions, but you cant solve it and you need to send it back for repair. Your usb connecter on your tytn is broken...
first i will tell my story...
My tytn did excactly the same, shows the led, powers on automatically (normally it don't do that, so it;s not a rom issue) and then powered down in the smart mobility screen. I tried 4 chargers, and 2 battery's. with a full battery it will power on and load windows, but unable to charge. with the empty battery it will power down in the smart mobility screen. soft reset, hard reset, it won't work.
You can check if it's the same problem, by attaching it to your usb on your computer and call up the bootscreen by pressing the camera button and stick your stylus in the soft reset hole. If it comes up with serial instead of usb, then your device usb connector is broken.
BUT, you can charge your battery in a very strange way i figured out. since i am on a buisness trip i need my phone and don't send it back!!!!!
ok, this is what you have to do, plug in the powercable, call the hard reset screen BUT DON'T APPLY!!!! you will notice it will not power down, so just leave it on this screen for a night with the cable connected. you don't see the charging light, but actually it is charging. for me this temporarely solution works fine... but when i'm back in about seven weeks i send it in for repair.
Hope this will help you!
Swiftgs:
Many thanks for your insight -- you are correct, in bootloader mode the Serial shows instead of USB. I just purchased a spare battery (1100mAh, made in Taiwan) and battery charger for US$17. It'll get me through my business trip, but this is disappointing. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I used a TyTN for 14-months (July 2006 to Sept 2007) as my primary phone, recharging it daily via the USB connector and on a desk charger in my office. I can only conclude that if the USB is physically damaged (not evident visually), then it is not as robust as the USB port used in the original TyTN. The strangest part of all is it worked perfectly until the battery level fell below 10%...
FWIW: I purchased the phone through R&D Marketing. Ron Webber quickly responded to my note and gave me a contact at HTC America. I'll follow-up
after I return and report my experience.
Cheers
well, thanks for all of your replies/infomation.
I tried evey possible methods mentioned above, unfortunatelly none of them works :-(
and the most depressed thing is I filnally get a new battery, but it still doesn't work!
So I sent it back to repair, cross figure...
It works
I would like to thanx 2 SteRo for his advice. I am using Qtek 9000 and had the same problem. Battery was empty, and I tried many times to turn on my PPC, but without success. All the time when red light appeared after 10-15 sec display become black and tried to restart from boot again, and it's happened many times. Finally I thought that I just can trow my Qtek, but seeing your recommendation decided to try. I took USB cable cut it and strap the wires. Connecting red on (+) and black on (-) after 1 hour charging I was able to start my PPC, to recharge battery by 100% and it is working now OK. I must check duration of the battery tomorrow, because reason why I discharged battery was automatic turn off of my PPC when it was on around 45-50% battery capacity. Tomorrow I will check how it's working when I recharge battery again.
Dear SteRo you are the king.
hi,
I have a ipaq 6510 that was not use for a while. I put it to recharge a whole night, but what I get is just a blinking startup screen (that one with the hp logo and the 1.40 somethign version ...)- it's coming on for 1-2 seconds, and going off again ...
I've tried now just with the charger, without the battery, and it's showing me that the device has power, but I can't start it up.
I also tried soft/hard reset.
can anyone help ?
- I got it in bootloader mode, and after that somehow it started up
I will come back later with details if everything is working fine
If the battery voltage drops below 3.2V it will not be possible to charg the device.
go to a gsm repair shop and ask them to charge your battery.
Hello!! Well, my diamond has a problem. Sometimes after the 40 seconds it restarts and doesn't turn off as it should. It does the same thing sometimes when I press the power button. I updated my rom from 1.37.405 to 1.93.405 but the problem didn't solve. Has anyone any ideas? Is it a hardware problem or a software and why it does it sometimes and not always? Thanks in advance!
Maybe a bad Battery. Mine would just shut of after I took the phone off active sync, or when I closed a program. It would only act like this sometimes, so I put a new Battery in it and this all stopped happening.
Its a sign saying DONT CHARGE ME WITH A NON HTC APPROVED CHARGER!
To stop that fully charge your batter with a original HTC Charger then leave it lying around for a week or two. Then should work fine or keep your new battery!
I charge my phone most times with the usb of my pc. Can this charge cause these problems? I will try though to fully charge it with the original charger and see what hapens..
Hi guys..
I have had my Tilt now for about 2months and recently tried downloading a 200Meg file off the web with it. It drained the power even though the charger was plugged in and so I was clever enough to fool around with chargers...Bleh.. Anyway, so what had happened is that after me switching the phone off etc. I tried charging again without downloading and when I plug the charger in, NOTHING happens..the green light flashes like normal, no light changes and no blips or notifications come up or anything. If I switch the phone off and then plug the charger in, the red light appears and stays there (and I presume it charges). So now I can´t find a fix..Seen MANY other threads regarding similar problems but 90% result in getting a replacement from the supplier which is not possible for me since I don't work off contract and neither is the warranty still valid and neither do I live even NEAR a HTC dealer. I've tried soft resets, hard resets, restarting phone with charger and battery in, without battery in etcetc. The battery is fine.
So it seems my last resort would be opening up the phone and looking if by luck I can see or measure something. Any help at all will be greatly appreciated
Brian
I have same problem, My HTC only charge when power off, No active sync... but i could up rom because in bootloader 3.56 only show USB without serieal . Yesterday i uprom ship end restore SPL. Then my HTC Kaiser can't uprom. It only sirieal when conect USB.
I think it cause by software without hardware. So everyone help us...help me too
Yeah, mine doens't get recognised by my computer at all. Which means no backups or syncs somehow I think my friend's broken TYTN II is gonna come in handy...hmm....
And just for more info, I am as I'm speaking, charging my phone (with it being off) and the red light has been on around an hour long.. Gonna see if it goes off or changes.. Will report back once something happens
Brian
Edit: I just switched my phone on (after around 2 hours charging with it being shut down) even though the light was still red, battery is now 100%.. so.. I'm now downloading the next 200meg file and another 39 files to go
Update: Just something weird.. The tilt was charging(in its shut down mode) and then suddenly switched on by itself.............. uhm..yeah.. so once it came on, i looked and everything was still the same.. pulled out the charger, switched off, put charger back in(cause the battery was about 30%) and boom, green light and switches on again bleh.. so now I fiddled with the battery and charger, and got it to charge in its off state again with the red LED.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372266&highlight=rlod
I thiink, it can "fix in booting safe mode". But I can set it to safe mode
You can try it, follow step in the link, then re tell to me!
every oen, who can help us?!
hey, I took a look there and I tried those things but it didn't work. Apparently there is no "Safe mode" for these phones unless you have a third-party software. So just to confirm, I took a look through the user manual and found nothing, Googled "HTC TyTN II Safe Mode" and found random stuff but not much related besides third-party Apps. So then I just tried randomly fooling around with my TyTN II by holding and pressing random sets of keys while pressing the soft reset button. No luck.
Brian
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
I find it, i think our KAISER have two problems: can't hardspl and RELoD. Nơ i try follow thí link, maybe SDA application unlock can fix them. But KAiSER can't active sync by USB connect. Now Ifind method activesync by bluetooth. and can find SDA application unlock by SD card. I think MR jockyw2001 have many expriences can help. can you help me?,mr jockyw2001 ?
Hi Guys - after some help if you please! My Z3 C has decided to refuse to power up. Without the charger plugged in nothing happens, even when I use all the usual vol up and power etc.
When I plug the phone into the charger the screen just shows the empty battery screen and turns off/on/off/on etc cycling like that.
Just cant get it to start.
I can manage to get it to reload the software through pc companion and it gives the successful message. But after trying a reboot, nothing happens.
Now because it does the software rebuild, I assume the phones not bricked. So could it just be a goosed battery?
Cheers
Terry
Hello,
I have similar priblem few years ago.
I figured out in this "overdischarged" state when i try to charge, and appear the battery screen, if the battery reach a critical charge level, the phone will try to boot. But its fail, because te voltage still too low, so thats why its reboot. I did this: (i dont take any responsibility)
Put the phone in a plastic bag, hermeticaly close it to minimize the vapor, then put it in the freezer.
Wait.
When its cold, connect to charger, now you able to charge more, before phone is start to boot. Charge it till start to boot, and Turn it off immidiatelly with the little button next to the sim card.
Now, you haveto warm it up, i do it with a hairdryer, use it at least 10 mins, not jost the cover, but the battery must have warm too. 50 celsius is fine.
Now connect the charger, and try to boot. Hopefuly, you can able to boot, and the phone will start charge.