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MSFP issues with new 2.25 CWS ROM? Am I missing something?

Hey everyone,
I'm new to these boards but have been a long time PDA/phone user. Last night, I downloaded and installed the 2.25 ROM for my Cingular 8125 device and setup my Exchange account.
I have an MS Exchange 2003 SP2 mailbox and setup Direct Push, but the e-mails still take a minute or two to get to me when a Blackberry or GoodLink take about 15 seconds. It seems that the Exchange server just pushes out an IP packet to my phone to make it go through the [seemingly wasteful] process of performing an ActiveSync operation. So constantly my connection arrows are alternating between "connected" and "ActiveSyncing." To me, it's almost as slow as the old SMS push-pull method.
Furthermore, it seems that (a) my ability to sync my subfolders is gone. Previously, I could select folders to sync to my device from my device. Now, I can select all my folders, but they are all empty (except my Inbox). If I go to Menu -> Tools, the "Manage Folders" option is greyed out. I cannot tap and hold a folder to sync it. And (b), the option to manually "send/receive" is also greyed out. If I turn DirectPush off (which I do at night to prevent receiving my emails), I have to open the ActiveSync application to get my e-mail instead of previously being able to tap Menu -> Send/Receive from the Messaging program.
Is this normal? Are these the results that others are seeing from MSFP? Finally, are there any other noteworthy improvements in this ROM other than MSFP? If this is the case, and there are no other improvements, wouldn't it behoove me to revert back to the previous ROM?
Thank you in advance for you help and insight!
-M-

The messaging app can switch between SMS, Email and MMS. You can switch it by press Email button on top left corner or by changing accounts in menu. Sounds like all you issue is related to the fact that your messaging app is currently in other accounts like SMS or MMS.

foxbat121 said:
The messaging app can switch between SMS, Email and MMS. You can switch it by press Email button on top left corner or by changing accounts in menu. Sounds like all you issue is related to the fact that your messaging app is currently in other accounts like SMS or MMS.
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Foxbat,
Thank you, but I am in the Outlook E-mail account. I'm pretty savvy about these things to know at least that much!
I'm still not able to manage my folders or manually send and receive and I still feel like there's a longer lag time than Blackberry or GoodLink.
Are you using the MSFP ROM with an Exchange 2003 SP2 account? If so, what are your experiences?
Thanks again!

Yes, I'm using MSFP on 2.17 ROM right now. I have none of your issues.

i can just say that it doesn't sound like the MSFP is actually working in your case. Once i switched to directpush, my messages are on my phone within 5 seconds, no activesync whatsoever. same for calendar, tasks and contacts.
i have a tmo blackberry and a tmo mda - i tested sending messages to both at the same time, on average the mda receives the message about 1 second later than the blackberry - an extrememly nice improvement.

The send/receive option in Outlook account is always greyed out, you can only receive email there by syncing or push mail. there is a thread on this on this forum, called Pocket Outlook Account is worthless or something like that.

Koksie said:
The send/receive option in Outlook account is always greyed out, you can only receive email there by syncing or push mail. there is a thread on this on this forum, called Pocket Outlook Account is worthless or something like that.
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Wrong. It works just fine all the time for me in 2.17 ROM and 2.24 ROM (I skipped the worthless 2.25 Cingular ROM). I don't know what's wrong with OP's issue. Maybe he should re-examine the settings or do a hard reset.

I had a similar problem when I updated my ROM. Send/recieve and Manage Folders was greyed out. I fixed it by deleting the sync to my exchange and re-adding it through active sync on my PC. From active sync on the PC double click Exchange server. Click the "delete server" button. Wait for it to sync and remove all your emails from the phone. Then go Tools > Configure Server Source and add it back in. This worked for me.
If that doesn't work, you can select folders in active sync. That also worked for me before I deleted and re-added my exchange. Not as handy as being able to do it from the phone though.
edit: oops. old thread. Is it 2007 already? :O Oh well, the info may help someone...

peon said:
edit: oops. old thread. Is it 2007 already? :O Oh well, the info may help someone...
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It's helped me! Thank you so much peon!

Push e-mail & Diamond

Has anyone tried to setup push e-mail on the Diamond? How does it affect the battery life?
Thanks!

turt said:
Has anyone tried to setup push e-mail on the Diamond? How does it affect the battery life?
Thanks!
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Yes, I do push e-mail everyday (using Edge).
Fully charged Diamond last for 9.5 hrs for normally usage + pushmail.
It is only around 2/3 usage time for my Touch Elf.

Ouch... What do you call "normal usage"?
How many e-mails do you receive daily? Do you retrieve your e-mails as soon as they are on server or did you configure an "x minutes" check?

turt said:
Ouch... What do you call "normal usage"?
How many e-mails do you receive daily? Do you retrieve your e-mails as soon as they are on server or did you configure an "x minutes" check?
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i have around 50-100 emails daily. poor me.
I have Exchange 2007 mailbox for company, it is pushmail and i got as soon as they are arriving on server. Simultaneously, I have another IMAP4 mailbox for my personal, i check it every 10 mins.
Same settings also apply to my previous Touch Elf, which have 1/3 longer running time for a fully charged battery.

OK I see...
I noticed on the HTC website that the specs for standby time are:
- Up to 396 hours for WCDMA
- Up to 285 hours for GSM
EDGE is GSM, so maybe that's the reason why it sucks the battery so much?
These numbers seem strange, that would mean we can expect a better battery life on 3G networks... I hope it's true!

Keep in mind after the first connection Windows mobile 6 doesn't close the connection. Then the battery life down very fast

Sorry I very newbie in push email... Is it necessary to install anything in the diamond to start receiving push email?
Is there any way to receive real push email from imap4 accounts beside forcing the diamond check the mail box every time?

Fabio Miyauchi said:
Sorry I very newbie in push email... Is it necessary to install anything in the diamond to start receiving push email?
Is there any way to receive real push email from imap4 accounts beside forcing the diamond check the mail box every time?
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Hi,
You can try emoze (emoze.com) it is free and you'll have what you need.
You can also try seven (seven.com) witch is the same.

mail2web gmail
Hi
I'm getting gmail pushed through mail2web.
Anyone know how I can get just my inbox and not all the folders and emails ? There's no way to set up a filter for just the inbox --> forward emails.
thanks.

@feridoun
I'm using mail2web as well, however I don't let my email be pushed or forwarded to mail2web. I'm having mail2web set-up to acquire the e-mails from my other accounts. And I only receive the inbox items. Maybe you can adjust something there to just get what you wish for?

akito said:
@feridoun
I'm using mail2web as well, however I don't let my email be pushed or forwarded to mail2web. I'm having mail2web set-up to acquire the e-mails from my other accounts. And I only receive the inbox items. Maybe you can adjust something there to just get what you wish for?
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Allowing mail2web to aggregate emails would work, but the trouble is, it uses IMAP and of course that mean it pulls emails from Gmail on a timed basis. If mail2web is using IMAP, I may as well set up a direct account on the phone to do just that.
The benefit of forwarding gmail is that mails would arrive almost instantaneously to mail2web and then be pushed to the phone.
Unfortunately in the case of gmail, all email gets forwarded including those that I have filtered out and don't want in my regular inbox, so every few minutes my phone is pinging to let me know I have a new email.

lmr2003 said:
Hi,
You can try emoze (emoze.com) it is free and you'll have what you need.
You can also try seven (seven.com) witch is the same.
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I've been using emoze for the past week or so while I wait for a Blackberry solution and must admit its pretty neat - I'd recommend it to anyone who's looking for a FREE and reliable service - from a corporate perspective if you have an existing Outlook Webmail system then this really is a great interim solution!
I would still like my BlackBerry service back though!

Blob8me said:
I've been using emoze for the past week or so while I wait for a Blackberry solution and must admit its pretty neat - I'd recommend it to anyone who's looking for a FREE and reliable service - from a corporate perspective if you have an existing Outlook Webmail system then this really is a great interim solution!
I would still like my BlackBerry service back though!
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Is it possible to ad more accounts in Emoze? And is Emoze pushing HTML emails or TXT..?? This moment i use mobipush.com, but they don't support HTML push...

I'm not sure if emoze can support more than one account at a time in the "free" version??? Dont think so but you should check.
As for HTML or Text - Text only for now I think???
Thats a lot of thinking??? Their website give some good detail....

I use 4smartphone.net - for push email.
My battery needs charging every second day - my phone use is 1 hours calls 50 SMS and surffing 30mins inbetween charges.

I use momail.com and they support push email,
ihave never used that before and i dont know how to set it up in diamond,
any one that can guide me in the right direction?

I've tried to use my mail2web push-mail account on my Diamond, and I have to say that I was surprised that it did not decreased that much the battery longevity.
(compared to my wizard and trinity I used to do push-mail on)
This might be because by default, the settings are not high consuming on the Diamond (no wake-up on email reception, no ring, etc.)
since everything is done with the screen light off, I even think that it reduces more the battery charge to put on the light and check what time it is, than to have the push running in the back ground.

While we're on the subject of emoze, does it work (ie still push) while the phone is in standby?

Yep, it sure does.

I used to have my diamond setup for push and barely got through the day with my battery,
now I upgraded to the newest radio rom and set the mail sync to every 15min.
after this I have about 60% power left after one day.
I used to think push is a must, but honestly, 15min syncs are just fine. no mail cant be that important....

PUSH email for Win Mo

Hi Guys!
I've search the forums to find the best solution there is for Push Email, but I haven't been able to find much. I do not have an exchange server myself, so I'm looking for a service or something of that sort.
I signed up for MobiPush, and it works great, but the only issue I have is that my ActiveSync always stays on, and keeps my GPRS connection active 24/7. Is that how it should be? Isn't that a battery drain, is there a better way to do it?
Thanks! and apologies if someone has asked this before!

Go for/to: www.mail2web.com
Free service! Very good and stable.
If you want a connection in MS Outlook you have to pay but its worth the money in my opion.
Succes!

Thanks I'll check it out.
When you check via ActiveSync, does your GPRS connection always stay active?

No. But is is a opion in KaiserTweak to keep connection alive. Is a hit for your battery!

Yeah..I don't want it to stay alive..i think its pointless for it to stay alive all the time!

My KaiserTweak is set at 1 Min for disconnection, but it doesnt really disconnect the connection!

jatin.ahuja said:
Yeah..I don't want it to stay alive..i think its pointless for it to stay alive all the time!
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If you find it pointless to stay alive all the time, why you wanna have pushmail then?

well..i do want push email...because of work..but I was hoping there would be a way it would disconnect the GPRS and then reconnect it when there was a new mail..hehe somehow!

jatin.ahuja said:
well..i do want push email...because of work..but I was hoping there would be a way it would disconnect the GPRS and then reconnect it when there was a new mail..hehe somehow!
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There is a way - an SMS can be sent to tell you that there is a new message.
I use push email (www.exchangemymail.com - not the cheapest, but it does have postini filtering...) and find that battery life is OK, but I typically charge mine in my car an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening, that's all I need and I have 3G on all day.

jatin.ahuja said:
well..i do want push email...because of work..but I was hoping there would be a way it would disconnect the GPRS and then reconnect it when there was a new mail..hehe somehow!
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Microsoft offers push email through their Live Services. I have a @live.com account and get push email,but again,it seems activesync is always connected and Kaiser tweaks will not help. And the battery takes a big hit. Also, you better have an unlimited data plan or your wallet will take a big hit too.

Read this article (about half way down)[1] It explains how the mobile Phone sync with the exchange server. In essence a http connection is kept open at all times. It used to be (in 5.0/exchange 2003 times) that the connection with the mobile was an SMS sent from the server. That means that every email cost you 1 SMS. Depending on your plan that can be very expensive)
It goes through this cycle:
1.) mobile http request to exchange server with timeout info
2.) exchange server checks for new mail
----> no new mail: server waits until timeout then send an empty reply. The mobile then starts anew at 1.)
----> mail arrives before timeout: server sends the the reply immediately with information which folders to sync. After syncing the whole process starts at 1.) again
Short answer: Yes your GRPS connection will have to be always on BUT if there is no mail there is only a minimal amount of data used. Also using a 6.1 rom helps a lot with battery life (at least in my experience).
[1] http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=4638

waht about mobipush!? ist free an it works!

I use SEVEN mail. It's the actual product behind cingular's ExpressMail, but you can get a newer version by joining the beta (neverending, it seems) for Seven at http://preview.seven.com

I too use the Seven product. It ROCKS!!!

Seven makes my phone sluggish
gai-jin said:
I use SEVEN mail. It's the actual product behind cingular's ExpressMail, but you can get a newer version by joining the beta (neverending, it seems) for Seven at http://preview.seven.com
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Thank you all for the response! and sorry for the delay!
I installed Seven and I feel its a lot better than MobiPush, but I feel like when I click the Messages tab on my phone (from HTC Home), it takes forever to open it up!
Do you guys feel that too?

For some a better puch mail soultion
If you have gmail or any other email account that allows you to set it to automatically forward email. And if you have unlimited text messaging on your phone plan then the solution I use might be useful for those who want a push email function.
There is a small program called QoreFunctions Pusheffect. Its for WM devices and this is part of the solution. You can find this online to purchase
In general here is how it works. Your cell service provider offers you a email address that takes emails in but delivers them as text messages on your phone.
1. In your normal email provider set it to forward every email you get to the email address that your phone provider delivers emails as text messages.
2. Install and configure Push effect according to the instructions they offer and your done.
Here's what happens. Email hits your regular email account. That forwards email to your cell phone text message account. A text message arrives on your phone. Push effect reads the text message and can tell it came because there is email waiting in your regular email account. It then triggers your mobile email to connect and pick up your email from your regular account.
This all happens in just a few seconds after the mail hits your regular email account.
The benefits are it works with Lot's of email services and does not require exchange in any way. It also is not polling your email account so no extra drain on your battery
I love it and it works great!!!

www.emoze.com
nouf' said!

jatin.ahuja said:
but I feel like when I click the Messages tab on my phone (from HTC Home), it takes forever to open it up!
Do you guys feel that too?
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That has nothing to do with push mail. That's just a bug or something in HTC Home. Try clicking the Messaging icon in Programs or mapping a hardware button to it. You will see how fast the messaging application comes up. But for some reason when you try and invoke messaging from that icon in HTC Home it takes several seconds. I don't know why.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379440
the same sms technique was developed by a fellow xda developer and offered for free! try it, it works great. best to have unlimted text and data though if you go this route. also means you dont need to have your data connection on all the time, save battery!
set up kaiser tweaks so your data connection disconnect after every xx minutes. set your email to forward new mail to your SMS address. when you get the notification of new mail on your device, it launches poutlook and checks your mail. then after xx minutes your connection turns off. works great! connection only when new mail comes in.
in the program there is a simple config you have to set up so the program knows which sms notification to trigger poutlook so it doesnt open outlook on all sms notifications you have. usually notifications that are for new mail have specific text in the subject and body and you can use that to distinguish emailed forwarded sms from regular sms you get from friends.
cehck the thread i posted for screen shots of the program, its easier then my discriptions makes it look! haha: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379440
the only other way to use it without sms is to have your connect on at all times. there's a trade off and depends which route you want to go.

Seven notification alerts!
Hi Everyone!
Thanks for all your help! So I've started using Seven, and everytime I get an email, I have a little red icon on my taskbar (on top) and my phone vibrates. Is there a way to turn these notifications off?
Thanks!
Jatin

Email problems/question.

Ok boys probably as many of you do, I use various email accounts, 2gmail, 1hotmail, and 2buiss emails.
The question is: If you go on menu and select recieve/send (i have mine setup to manual cheks) does selecting this manual chek once, recives email from all accounts??? or do you have to select account by account and individually ask for emails???
And last, you are not allowed to earese the account that messenger/hotmail creates.
Cheers boys!

Well, since you have all that set up, why don't you experiment and let us know the result?

To sync all in one use ActiveSync for that. You only have to press the Sync softkey and all is done for you. I assume if you use messaging within one of your account listed only that account is synced but I did not checked that. Google around or try for yourself. I never used Hotmail so I cannot help you with that.

Thanks, so i should set up the active sync right and instead of going to my mail app i just hit active sync. Is that correct?
Thanks for your time man.
cheers.

Gmail push mail thoughts.

OK folks, does anyone have any recommendations for Gmail push mail for the Kaiser?
Gmail App: Either adding this to your phone, or using it online on your phone seems to work well, but, unless I'm an idiot, there is no push--you have to check your e-mail manually. That kinda kills it.
emoze: http://www.emoze.com/en/get/index.asp. This is a neat little app that you install on your phone, and it seems to log you into a server that checks your Gmail (or Yahoo, whatever) and then pushes whatever it finds there to your phone. However, this seems relatively buggy and unreliable. One, if it works when you send an email, not long after it will download that sent email to your phone and tell you you have an email. Two, it wants to fiddle with your activesync settings which don't seem to work too well.
mobiPush: At http://www.mobiPush.com. Well, this seems unreliable, or at least, slow as hell. Now, being used to text messages, maybe the speed is normal for push mail, I don't know. Oddly enough, it won't connect to the internet when I have my USB cable plugged in, even though I have "Allow wireless connections" checked in activesync.
mail2web live: http://services.mail2web.com/FreeServices/. I have no idea, I haven't tried it.
Does anyone have any thoughts on these? Other suggestions? Want to point out my glaring errors? Feel free, and thanks!

Do you have issues w/ Imap? I have mine setup to check every 15 or 30 minutes and only keep 3 days of messages on my phone so it doesn't get too cluttered. I dont have the issue of sending an email and having the sent message show up as new when using this manner either. Just a thought/suggestion.

My gmail pushes to kaiser perfectly fine...
It's an option in Gmail you have to set.

Seven
http://community.seven.com/main.php
this pushes email great for me

fiddelm3742 said:
Do you have issues w/ Imap? I have mine setup to check every 15 or 30 minutes and only keep 3 days of messages on my phone so it doesn't get too cluttered. I dont have the issue of sending an email and having the sent message show up as new when using this manner either. Just a thought/suggestion.
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I just found that and set it up, thank you!
What I'm trying to avoid is having the phone check for email, and it seems that with Gmail IMAP you have to tell the phone to check at whatever intervals you want.

redsrule2500 said:
My gmail pushes to kaiser perfectly fine...
It's an option in Gmail you have to set.
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Where exactly do you see this option?

redsrule2500 said:
My gmail pushes to kaiser perfectly fine...
It's an option in Gmail you have to set.
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When you say it's "an option in Gmail you have to set," can you be more specific?
It seems that by setting up IMAP the phone has to check, Gmail isn't pushing mail to the phone automatically, is it? There doesn't seem to be a reason for the phone to check if Gmail is pushing.
Thoughts? And thank you!

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Where exactly do you see this option?
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I second that.
What the 2 guys before me said.

Gmail itself seems curiously silent about this one. Especially because it would be a MASSIVE boon to their business...
Bueller? Anyone? Anyone?

rush242 said:
mobiPush: At http://www.mobiPush.com. Well, this seems unreliable, or at least, slow as hell. Now, being used to text messages, maybe the speed is normal for push mail, I don't know. Oddly enough, it won't connect to the internet when I have my USB cable plugged in, even though I have "Allow wireless connections" checked in activesync.
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As it turns out, the USB issue was a different issue all together. That's just Activesync being kinda crappy. D'oh!
That doesn't make mobiPush suddenly awesome, just that it had nothing to do with them. Heh.

what about Flexmail? It has IMAP IDLE support which will function like push email. If you set up the Gmail IMAP account under the program, it should automatically notify you when new emails are received.

Check the Hacking and Development area for ImapPusherService. I haven't gotten it to work on mine yet, but others have had good success. It isn't perfect, but as long as you don't SR very often it should work no problem. Downside, if you do a SR you have to relaunch the program and reenter your username and password.

I was just going to say the same thing having read this thread last night but not replied. ImapPusherService is what you're after. Very fast and works well. It's going to be THE software for pushing email to windows mobile.
FYI if you haven't got it working you should dump the tracking file and send it to the developer but before you do this try putting recent: before your username like this recent:username
and here's the link
http://www.codeplex.com/ImapPusherService
BTW Seven in my experience is poor. Use it if you want an email client that doesn't push but simply checks for email every 5 minutes and takes up memory. Oh wait. pocket outlook does this without taking up extra memory!

cheese74 said:
what about Flexmail? It has IMAP IDLE support which will function like push email. If you set up the Gmail IMAP account under the program, it should automatically notify you when new emails are received.
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Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to check into this, as it ain't free. I must say that gives me a bit more confidence as I bought Pocket Informant recently. That program goes a bit overboard, but it does what they say it will do.
Gracias.

knmwt15000 said:
I was just going to say the same thing having read this thread last night but not replied. ImapPusherService is what you're after. Very fast and works well. It's going to be THE software for pushing email to windows mobile.
FYI if you haven't got it working you should dump the tracking file and send it to the developer but before you do this try putting recent: before your username like this recent:username
and here's the link
http://www.codeplex.com/ImapPusherService
BTW Seven in my experience is poor. Use it if you want an email client that doesn't push but simply checks for email every 5 minutes and takes up memory. Oh wait. pocket outlook does this without taking up extra memory!
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what do you mean check for email every 5 minutes? seven isn't push?

Why use an app? go to your Gmail page and enable pop ( under settings ) Works great for me. I have mine saving 1 weeks worth of emails on the phone, automatically downloading all attachments, as well as updating every 5 minutes.... Never had an issue. I use my gmail rather than my blackberry email from work because the Kaiser handles mail SOOOOOO much better with attachments.

I am using Flexmail as well and found it the best solution so far for push Gmail. Setup was relatively easy and I like the advanced folder management options that Flexmail provides. Also, html formatting is a big plus.
I tried Seven, mobipush, emoze, and mail2web. All of them had some disadvantages such as bulky background client, slow receive/send, instability with other apps, and 3rd party reply-to address (mail2web). Flexmail is well worth the cost as it connects to the Gmail imap servers directly and I typically receive emails in my phone within 10 seconds of it actually appearing on Gmail web-mail.

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In my experience it is not. I set it up and intermittently sent test emails to my address. Got new mail exactly every 5 mins....

knmwt15000 said:
I was just going to say the same thing having read this thread last night but not replied. ImapPusherService is what you're after. Very fast and works well. It's going to be THE software for pushing email to windows mobile.
FYI if you haven't got it working you should dump the tracking file and send it to the developer but before you do this try putting recent: before your username like this recent:username
and here's the link
http://www.codeplex.com/ImapPusherService
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Thanks for the heads up on this one. As a plus: it's Free, and that's brilliant. It's small, doesn't use up much space, memory, et cetera. However, it only seems to work intermittently, and that's just not worth the trouble.

posted in DCD'd Titan Rom 3.2.5 ROM as well....
Don't know where the error is. Reflashed 3.2.5 three times, same error. Just to put it out there.... anyone using the beta program Seven for pushing email?
Gmail worked before but will not connect from the Gmail shortcut from the login screen. Yahoo and Hotmail shortcuts work fine. Went in to "Other Pop Accounts" and added Gmail there and worked fine.
Note: No issues at all regarding this with 3.2.3