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Hi There,
Im trying to find out why my battery is getting sucked dry so quickly so I've installed acb Power Monitor.
On first install it seemed to work fine (although my drain of 250+MaH seemed excessive) but now when I load the program up the figures are all wierd.
my X range goes from 0mA to 4.5E+09mA ?
also my NOW says 42949672 AVG 46684295 TOTAL 110953....ect ect a load of unreadable rubbish.
Is this an uncompatible issue with WM6 or Kaiser?
Cheers for any help.
Sideburnt said:
Hi There,
Im trying to find out why my battery is getting sucked dry so quickly so I've installed acb Power Monitor.
On first install it seemed to work fine (although my drain of 250+MaH seemed excessive) but now when I load the program up the figures are all wierd.
my X range goes from 0mA to 4.5E+09mA ?
also my NOW says 42949672 AVG 46684295 TOTAL 110953....ect ect a load of unreadable rubbish.
Is this an uncompatible issue with WM6 or Kaiser?
Cheers for any help.
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Try giving a try to acbTaskMan; in the free (lite) mode, it's about as informative as acbPowerMeter but is, otherwise, much better and newer.
Let me know what happens.
I have just tried acbTaskMan but I am getting a reading of N/A under my Power (mA) field. I read on their site that this function is hardware compatability dependant. Strange since I got acbPower Monitor working once on first install (but not since)
I have just emailed the company for advice, but has anyone else had this program runing on a kaiser? im sure I read so, as there have been quite a lot of reports of people assessign battery drain with BT/Wifi enabled ect.
any other advice welcome, ta
Had them both, unfortunately same issue as you describe........no problem on my old P3600 though.....
@Menneisyys
I've been playing the flash-n-flash game with Dutty's and soon Q's ROMs.
With all of the discussion about battery life, screen stalls, etc, it got me remembering an old utility that I had once played with that would track such things.
It happens that it was acbPowerMeter
I went to their website, did some searching, found your great write-up on acbTaskMan from last March as well as this thread.
I have not yet downloaded/installed it but was curious about why it doesn't seem to be used by some of the ROM Chefs in their quests for the perfect ROM?
Hopefully this 'bump' will get a few folks who admittedly are MUCH smarter than I looking into it and finding a fix for the problems indicated above.
michi123 said:
Had them both, unfortunately same issue as you describe........no problem on my old P3600 though.....
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Yup, it seems it's not possible to get the current on both the TI OMAP and Qualcomm platforms; only with Xscale and Samsung. Definitely bad news.
Sideburnt said:
I have just tried acbTaskMan but I am getting a reading of N/A under my Power (mA) field. I read on their site that this function is hardware compatability dependant. Strange since I got acbPower Monitor working once on first install (but not since)
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Are you sure it DID show you an always-changing value? On TI OMAP, for example, it is constantly showing the same value, showing it's unable to meter the current.
Unforrtunately, in these cases, all you can do is
1. wiring a current meter between the battery and the battery slot (pretty hard to do)
2. running very long (can take days) tests to find out the battery usage of a given feature.
I've done the latter a lot with, for example, assessing the power usage of the BT unit on my TI OMAP-based Wizard. As I have several phones, I could just put it in a drawer for some days to have as dependable a result as possible.
What's weird about both acbTaskMan and acbPowerMeter is that if you have the Kaiser plugged in and charging then the software can correctly read and chart the current usage. When you then unplug the charger the software reports garbage.
Solution!
It won't work at all for me on my Kaiser, however HomeScreen++ works great for me.
http://www.chi-tai.info/cs_batterystatus_xda_neo_wm5_im_cs.htm#DownloadBeta
Unfortunately it doesn't have the graph like acb has. This means you have to switch back and forth to see the numbers when generating load in another application or game.
It does have some other cool statistics though.
Regards,
Sarel
Hi.
I don't seem to last a day without recharging my battery (either by USB or Outlet).
I have some useful programs but I'm afraid to use them sometimes because my phone wont last the day.
On a regular day, without extreme program usage (WiFi, GPS, games etc), just regular phone calls (GSM not 3G), my battery power lasts maybe 18 hours.
If i used 1/4 of my installed programs moderetely, my battery power lasts for about 10-12 hours.
I would like your professional advise to better by battery life.
1. Would changing my ROM to a better modified one solve my issue?
2. Is there a backround process (that is not detected my my task manager) working that I should know about?
3. Are there any tweaks (non registry) that I can do to better the life?
4. Are there any registry fixes that can be done to better the life?
5. Do third party cabs (SPB etc.) drain the battery life even if they are idle?
6. Does letting my battery fully drain and then fully charging it over and over really help the overall battery life?
FYI: I have the OEM ROM, my phone had never been Hard reseted before
I have tried all sorts of things, but I cannot manage to get my phone to last more than a day.
I would really appreciate your advise.
Thanks.
P.S please dont tell me that you people go 2-3 days without charging (that would hurt my feelings )
my kaiser lasts about 10 hours if heavily used, I mean 3G internet always on, browsing with opera mini all while listening to MP3s..
With normal usage and 3G coverage (but classic talks, not video ones) it last al least 2 days..
that's strange
Hi,
i managed to have good power after alot of research and tweaks on this forum.
-disable 3g service
-make sure no application auto-enable wifi, make sure its off.
-make sure device is set lock all buttons
on normal days with just afew calls and very little surfing, i my battery life is the same as other non-pda phones!
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-make sure device is set lock all buttons
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What do you mean with locking all the buttons?
Would updating my RADIO help?
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Would updating my RADIO help?
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Default ROM sucks. The registry is setup completely ineffecient (like all M$ software) so eats capacity and battery.
Best thing to do is check the 'Kaiser upgrading' thread and compare the radio version you have with what's posted there and see if you could improver performance. I'm still on the original radio that it cam with, but trying multiple Rom's dramatically improved battery life. That and speed and performance. Their is much to gain, my friend.
I advise you read the articles about CID and SIM unlocking before attemting to flash anything.
Upgrade your radio to 1.27.12.17/32, turn off 3G and flash some clean ROM (like Q-Mobile - see in my signature )
My phone can survive now more than 3 days on normal usage. Before it could live 2-3 days max.
Maybe can you enable alimentation tweaks with KaiserTweak to begin ?
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Maybe can you enable alimentation tweaks with KaiserTweak to begin ?
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I dont think and fixes of those kind will do anything
I think what Maarten_0031 and gabriel31337 say is the obly way. I will reseach what kinda ROM best fits my need and let u know
I'm using Schap's and very happy with it...
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I'm using Schap's and very happy with it...
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On average, how long does your bettery last?
2 / 3 days... Some phone calls, wifi and 3G
Much better than the HTC ROM !
MickyMax said:
2 / 3 days... Some phone calls, wifi and 3G
Much better than the HTC ROM !
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Very nice. I think i might try that.
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Battery Power Poor. Any advise?
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Spell correctly, charge it.
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[qoute=Topic Title;1839477] Battery Power Poor. Any advise?[/qoute]
Spell correctly, charge it.
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qoute?
You spell correctly and keep to the topic
Just got my Kaiser yesterday. Left it to charge all night and removed it by 7:30 am. At 16:00, battery shows 14% left?!?!?!?
What the heck?
Did all the power tweaks from KaiserTweak.
Lets see how it goes without 3G and with the tweaks I did today.
ROM: 1.81.415.4 WWE
Radio 1.27.15.32
Protocol: 22.51.88.13H
it can't be stated enough how quickly your battery will die if you have your mailboxes checking for new mail 'as they come in' or 'every 5 minutes', etc. if you have important emails your expecting then turn it to those settings, but if you don't care if you get your mail only every hour then go that route - it makes a big difference in the battery life.. also make sure you have the disconnect option in kaiser tweak set on - i have mine set at disconnect after 2 minutes.. and finally, if you can get away with using edge then have your phone always set to edge and only set to 3g for web surfing - pulling down your text based email in edge and not 3g is usually a pretty negligible difference.
on a side note, i bought a 3000mAH battery for about $70.. it improves the battery life a decent amount, but the reality is is that if you use the GPS for 2-3 hours without having it plugged in while using the GPS then you can always expect the battery to be dead by the end of the day (or sooner).. if your going to use it as a GPS then have it plugged in..
its all about wifi...turn it off if not needed.
This has been discussed in many previous threads.
All the above are applicable and also get rid of any fancy today plugins that show data state (WiFi-phone) and battery condition as they are constantly running and polling the relevant devices.
You will see a VAST difference when you do that.
In need to know the voltage across the diamond standard battery (900mAh) when the battery is fully charged and when the battery is fully discharged (the phone automatically switched off)
Could someone give me this information?
When my battery is low I read 3.2V
When my battery i high I read 4.1V
Is this correct?
That's about right, +-.1
Thanks, I've a lot of problems with the charging and discharging cicles, this information could help me to understand
While which is the charge current when the battery is fully discharged?
For my Diamond it can be very high, up to 800mA (I know it from BatteryStatus), it is a normal value?
wasm said:
While which is the charge current when the battery is fully discharged?
For my Diamond it can be very high, up to 800mA (I know it from BatteryStatus), it is a normal value?
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Try a program, "PowerGuard", it's a very nice (and free) program developed by Muyz that will give you current and temp info, including graphs with a lot of flexibility in settings. You can get a good feel of where the current draws are. I think charge current is in the area of 700-800mA on initial charge.
Or another called Battlog. It,s better because it logs the measurements - on Powerguard it's difficult to see the actual (current, not in electrical, but in time sense ) measurement.
Thanks I'm going to try them
For now I'm testing Batlog...
This evening I'm going to make a full charging log, so I could post it tomorrow
Could you do the same? This could give me the possibility to compare them
I'm experimenting some problems with the charging circuit
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Or another called Battlog. It,s better because it logs the measurements - on Powerguard it's difficult to see the actual (current, not in electrical, but in time sense ) measurement.
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I agree with mjaxa, since your post I've found and installed Battlog. Works great on my Diamond. Very robust program and easy to read the log file or import into excel for analysis.
I have no idea why I didn't find this software when searching for a good battery monitor for my Diamond except I must have not used "log" in my searchs.
Thanx mjaxa.......
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Works great on my Diamond. Very robust program and easy to read the log file or import into excel for analysis.
Thanx mjaxa.......
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I should, of course, also thank Palladium TD now that I've found the source for this fine program.
I'll also add that while the data logging is very good, I found that some of the functions do not work on my Diamond (US ROM 1.93). I know it's a beta program or maybe I just haven't figured it out yet. Using 0.2.3.130 beta I have noted:
No response on the help and other icon on the left side, battery temp read is off by a factor of 10 (noted on the Battlog thread) and cum use (mAh) does not display.
I'll post the comments on the correct thread.
In the following I reported the log of my battery charging cycle in txt and graphic format
If you can post comments or other logs, I'll appreciate
P.s. another bug in Battlog (I'think) is related to the sampling interval, as you can note observing the X axis on my plots: it is not constant in time
No one want help me with a charge/discharge log?
With the holidays I haven't had too much time to work with battlog and the phone use is not typical. I did run about 16 hrs of data and it does give some insight.
Charging overnight looked normal with current draw cycles at 2hr intervals for mail checks.
I was going to upload the excel file, but the format isn't permitted. The txt file is too large. I'll mess with it some more, but I didn't see anything that was unlike your data. 800ma on initial charges, -200ma on using various applications and phone calls, as much as -800ma on internet use and -9 to -20ma on locked standby. I did not see what I'm looking for which is an unexplainable deep discharge, overnight or during the day, I'll keep monitoring.
I wonder which ROM can improve battery life for HD? I tried 6.1 Dutty's and 6.5 Miri's until now. I couldn't pass 2 days of normal use...
Other experiences you have?
tudormara said:
I wonder which ROM can improve battery life for HD? I tried 6.1 Dutty's and 6.5 Miri's until now. I couldn't pass 2 days of normal use...
Other experiences you have?
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Battery life is more dependent on the radio (rom) than on the CE rom, and most of the rom around dont have radio bundled with them. You should rather look for a good radio rom to go with whichever rom you chose.
bR
Just flash a lite rom from Onkolog or Barebone. That will do the trick.
I upgraded radio version to 1.13.25.24. will see what happens...
Which combination of ROMs and Radio versions you recommend?
essojay said:
Battery life is more dependent on the radio (rom) than on the CE rom, and most of the rom around dont have radio bundled with them. You should rather look for a good radio rom to go with whichever rom you chose.
bR
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very same question...
The best radio depends on your location and provider.
you have to test this yourself to see what's best for you.
There is a small thread over HERE that gives some tricks to increase battery life.
The biggest problem is actually Windows Mobile. My Nokia E71 can go for almost one week on one charge. While my Treo Pro can only do about 2 to 3 days with the same battery... (My Touch HD also gets around 2 days)
I use the program on this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=507301
it stalls the processor when backlight off...gives me a few extra hours, this and duttys 3.3XT give me a good 3 days of usage (completely flat byt then though!!)
but that is without BT or WIFI being used, no game playing or music listening just maybe 20-30 mins of calls per day.
Everyones different so battery life will change for everybody
Will check that out! Thanks for the link.
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Battery life is more dependent on the radio (rom) than on the CE rom,
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Sorry, but that's totally wrong!
The radio can improve the battery life, but normally the difference isn't that big at all, whereas the ROM can make a huge difference!
Its not the ROM itself that makes the difference, but the applications that are included in the ROM. Some applications are known for decreasing the battery life, because they are polling too often or something like that (or are programmed in a bad way).
mccune said:
The biggest problem is actually Windows Mobile. My Nokia E71 can go for almost one week on one charge. While my Treo Pro can only do about 2 to 3 days with the same battery... (My Touch HD also gets around 2 days)
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Thats simply not true. In order to make a fair comparision you have to consider that any Windows Mobile device has normally a big screen, an ARM processor with something about 200MHz and a lot of hardware built in.
Certainly Windows Mobile drains the battery more than other devices, because there are a lot of abstractions in order to make it working with all the devices around.
Comparing the HD to the Iphone is fair, and you'll see that the HD has a longer battery life as the Iphone, so Windows Mobile isn't that bad at all, its just now thought as a "normal" phone, but as an organizer with the possibility to run really much and great programs (simultaneously).
The biggest variable seems to me to be the use you make of the HD. I have had several ROMS and several Radio's flashed and they can all be good or bad, depending on what you do with them. Some easy wins are to turn off "Receive all incoming beams", don't use WiFi or GPS. Also I have a UK Three SIM which defaults to 2100mhz 3g signal. If I switch Auto band selection off and force GSM then I get much better battery life (like 50% more) but I can't use data (other than Activesync which seems to keep working) as Three block data connections through GSM in my area.
Of course Johnpatcher is right that several apps cooked into some ROMs come with a higher battery drain. I prefer his own Barbones, at least then I get to choose what apps are draining my battery!
I still rarely get through a day without needing to top up but the point of having the HD is to use it and usually it is possible to put some juice back into it one way or another.
If you really want to see what is happening Battlog is a great tool, sorry I don't have the link with me but search should turn it up. Set it to log and it will show you the current drain at your selected time interval together with the programs running and the state of the phone and networks at that time. Makes it easy to see what is eating the power.
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Thats simply not true....
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Certainly Windows Mobile drains the battery more than other devices...
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I didn't say the only reason was WinMo. But I've tried numerous mobile device with different OS's and it's plain clear to me that WinMo is the biggest battery drainer around. Didn't test Android though
If you get that program, share it with us. I am curious what applications drains the battery fast...
The question is still up!
let's see what combination of ROMs and radio versions we have on our devices and for a normal use, how many days can perform ....
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The biggest variable seems to me to be the use you make of the HD. I have had several ROMS and several Radio's flashed and they can all be good or bad, depending on what you do with them. Some easy wins are to turn off "Receive all incoming beams", don't use WiFi or GPS. Also I have a UK Three SIM which defaults to 2100mhz 3g signal. If I switch Auto band selection off and force GSM then I get much better battery life (like 50% more) but I can't use data (other than Activesync which seems to keep working) as Three block data connections through GSM in my area.
Of course Johnpatcher is right that several apps cooked into some ROMs come with a higher battery drain. I prefer his own Barbones, at least then I get to choose what apps are draining my battery!
I still rarely get through a day without needing to top up but the point of having the HD is to use it and usually it is possible to put some juice back into it one way or another.
If you really want to see what is happening Battlog is a great tool, sorry I don't have the link with me but search should turn it up. Set it to log and it will show you the current drain at your selected time interval together with the programs running and the state of the phone and networks at that time. Makes it easy to see what is eating the power.
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johnpatcher said:
Sorry, but that's totally wrong!
The radio can improve the battery life, but normally the difference isn't that big at all, whereas the ROM can make a huge difference!
Its not the ROM itself that makes the difference, but the applications that are included in the ROM. Some applications are known for decreasing the battery life, because they are polling too often or something like that (or are programmed in a bad way).
Thats simply not true. In order to make a fair comparision you have to consider that any Windows Mobile device has normally a big screen, an ARM processor with something about 200MHz and a lot of hardware built in.
Certainly Windows Mobile drains the battery more than other devices, because there are a lot of abstractions in order to make it working with all the devices around.
Comparing the HD to the Iphone is fair, and you'll see that the HD has a longer battery life as the Iphone, so Windows Mobile isn't that bad at all, its just now thought as a "normal" phone, but as an organizer with the possibility to run really much and great programs (simultaneously).
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If you agree that radio improves battery life, then whats totally wrong here?.....as i tend to agree with you even in my original contribution, but a bad radio rom IS a more likely culprit, and badly made CE rom that for example "disables standby" or affects power management function is as well a possibility. the choice of a good rom and more importantly a good radio is very crucial.
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The biggest variable seems to me to be the use you make of the HD.
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That's certainly true.
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I didn't say the only reason was WinMo. But I've tried numerous mobile device with different OS's and it's plain clear to me that WinMo is the biggest battery drainer around. Didn't test Android though
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As I already said look the Iphone. The battery life of the Iphone is worse than the one of the HD, while the Iphone runs its own OS.
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If you agree that radio improves battery life, then whats totally wrong here?
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You are totally wrong about the importance of radio, at least I think so personally.
essojay said:
the choice of a good rom and more importantly a good radio is very crucial.
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I haven't noticed any difference in battery life by choosing an other radio. I have noticed some better reception, but all kinds of these results are very subjective. You can read up the radio thread, you'll find enough people saying "yes", others say "no", its just too subjective ...
Battlog
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444920
This is the thread. I have installed Battlog on my HD and it works fine, at least how I use it which is logging set at 10 second interval and logging to a file on SD which I then analyse in Excel (it is a csv file) on the desktop. I've attached the cab I use as there may be different versions but you would be best to read the thread.
Obviously, as with any other experiment, the trick is to vary just one thing at a time and observe the difference. What tends to happen is that a number of things change and you don't know which one actually made the difference.
Strictly for UK users I have noticed that O2 seems to give the best battery life for my usage pattern and Three the worst (this latter is not surprising as they use 3g whenever possible and 3g is more battery hungry). Of course different locations in the UK and different mixes of use will vary this.
I think a big question to pose is : how much time is your screen on?
The panel is the biggest battery drainer, when I play with my HD, i can see literally the battery go down in little time.
Other settings as 3g or gsm network use is also very important, or bt and wifi on.
Our HD is a little laptop, the same rules apply for battery usage.
Ciao
Olaf
My experience is, go for a complete STOCK ROM (including the stock radio) and your battery life is acceptable.
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My experience is, go for a complete STOCK ROM (including the stock radio) and your battery life is acceptable.
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But I believe it's not worth it!
I use for the moment Duttys, 3.3 XT with the last Radio; without 3G (only GSM) and moderate use of WiFi and GPS it resist 3 days... it is better then stock ROM..
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My experience is, go for a complete STOCK ROM (including the stock radio) and your battery life is acceptable.
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Thanks! I will try and see the difference...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444920
This is the thread. I have installed Battlog on my HD and it works fine, at least how I use it which is logging set at 10 second interval and logging to a file on SD which I then analyse in Excel (it is a csv file) on the desktop. I've attached the cab I use as there may be different versions but you would be best to read the thread.
Obviously, as with any other experiment, the trick is to vary just one thing at a time and observe the difference. What tends to happen is that a number of things change and you don't know which one actually made the difference.
Strictly for UK users I have noticed that O2 seems to give the best battery life for my usage pattern and Three the worst (this latter is not surprising as they use 3g whenever possible and 3g is more battery hungry). Of course different locations in the UK and different mixes of use will vary this.
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Hi all,
I'm using "polaimg-panel3-240x320-2.6.32-froyo-27-08-10_23.nbh" 08/27 with last build RLS14 and I would like to set "/sys/module/board_kaiser_battery/parameters/battery_capacity" to 2000 instead 2700 as default parameter for this kernel.That should be give a better real battery level(???)
Nbh editor don't let me made these changes.
Thanx
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7767629&postcount=310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7776029&postcount=95
If you're using a polaris, you can't set kaiser battery levels. Those don't affect polaris users. Afaik you can only alter kaiser battery levels.
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If you're using a polaris, you can't set kaiser battery levels. Those don't affect polaris users. Afaik you can only alter kaiser battery levels.
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ok!
will see for further improvements
thanks!!!
Have you tried to remove the batterystats.bin after full charge and then give it 3-4 full down and recharges?
I think its "okay" then but the 15% are quite a problem...
Havent tried a rom for long yet, dont know if this really helps much but i think its good against extreme jumps in the battery lvl.