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Possible micro-USB failure problem!!

Just to bring this to light for people to watch for.
As you should already know, the micro-USB port on the 'Kaiser' generic WM device is NON-standard.
That is it only has a single tapered side to ensure the HTC audio headset fits inside it. The stock wall charger I was supplied with also has this non-standard shape so fits snug and works 100%.
Problem with this is that any 'Third-party' or what we would actually call STANDARD micro-USB connectors, can move around within this port with a large degree of movement (most chargers and USB cables we all use!) thus causing damage to the delicate pins/PCB connections within, specifically to the non-tapered side.
It is my opinion (and you can shoot me down on this if you desire) that many failures of chargers and computer recognition can be attributed to this.
Please believe me when I say I do not say this is a flame of the device, but I think many can use this design fault as a way of getting a FREE repair from their supplier (which is as it should be!! as they supply a non-standard mini-USB charger and a STANDARD mini-USB cable in the box)..
All those I have advised in threads before, please link those threads to this one...Thanks..
These are threads that possibly relate to the USB physical failure. Please do NOT treat them as final...we are just trying to corealate similar data.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362542
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362514
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345552
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355232
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=353909
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359695
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361589
In this thread many have the problem by inserting the stylus in the USB receptacle BUT some also say they never made this mistake.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354472
Damn... I only went back ten pages to 24/12/07 and found these!!!
If you have any input on any port/comms failure over and above these threads please let me know... Thanks.

The pain is, we're all going to have to go through the hassle of reflashing the device back to its original state, then lose it for a week while its repaired and then get it set up just so again when it returns!
I have an original HTC TyTN II so I'm not going to be able to do an insurance 'hotswap' this time.

Many thanks farsquidge for pulling all these threads together!

Should this be posted in a more general section? I would think this doesn't only happen to Kaiser users.. and we're not getting much of a response in this section.

I am thinking I may have that problem. I have an old shop lamp with a magnifying glass and I am still having a problem looking at the pin details on the micro usb connector. Is there a drawing out there relating to what I should be seeing?

I just tried plugging my brother's WM 2003 phone onto my computer and it detected it right away.. Can it be possible that the USB port on my phone is damaged? it works great with everything else though..

DVS_WiNdz said:
I just tried plugging my brother's WM 2003 phone onto my computer and it detected it right away.. Can it be possible that the USB port on my phone is damaged? it works great with everything else though..
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Possibly not! The title of the thread is POSSIBLE Micro-USB failure..

HTC's Proprietary USB Diagram
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I the reason for my RMA was that the device would only charge on wall charger. My USB was slightly lowere on the right side. I believe that someone hit it on the head when they said that the home charger has a better fit & hence, keeps the connection were the PC cable & the Auto Chargers fail.

Since we still have warranty on our Kaisers, will HTC fix it?

Did anyone fix this problem yet?

micro-usb contacts...
this thread really hit the spot.
After killing my self trying to find the answer to why i could charge my device and not synch, i ran across this. indeed it was the metal contacts on the micro usb.
Gently, using a very thin flat tool, i was able to "reposition" on the B contact displayed in the picture above.
Once i did this, I reconnected the usb cable and viola...it worked!
Thanks everyone!

I just had to return my brand new TyTN II to the store I bought it from because of this problem. It charged in the wall but would not sync or be detected with the pc.
I already returned it for a refund. I do want to get another one but do not want to keep havening this same problem.
I almost wonder if I should have kept my orginal TyTN II and tried to fix it?
Thinking of getting a Tilt now since they are so much cheaper.

I'm on the phone with ATT right now and these A$$holes are trying to tell me that they WILL NOT cover this under warranty. I'm holding for a supervisor right now.
My device will take a charge from the USB cable or my wall charger but it will not take a charge from my car charger. I even went to the ATT store and asked them to hook it up to the car charger and they were the ones to tell me to call the warranty department.
This is ridiculous. I am going to raise Hell if they tell me that I have to pay for a new phone.

They're telling me that it is physical damage and they WILL NOT cover this under warranty.
I am beyond furious right now. I cursed this b!tch out and told her to go f0ck herself.
I don't think that was good for my cause.

$79 to fix it yourself
http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~u...HTC+TyTN+II+Sync+Connector+Repair+Service.htm

Thank You Thank You Thank You
I have been trying to figure this out for months. I used a knife and moved the "B" pin up and it worked immediately. Did I say THANK YOU?

I went to the ATT Store where I purchased my Tilt and had the manager call the Warranty Department and tell them that there is no physical damage on the device.
They're sending me a new (refurb) one.
It's weird that I can use my USB cable and the wall charger that came with the device, but any other charger does not work.

thanks for helping me with this.
i think it's weird that any simple user, like my mum, would immediately check the connections and blow in the USB ports...whereas the advanced users forget to check the connections and straight away start reinstalling software.
Thanks again for this.

I'll be getting my replacement Tilt today. I hope I don't have any issues with it since it's a refurb.
If anyone tries to get a warranty replacement from ATT and they ask you if you can see anything wrong with it, SAY NO!!! It's almost like they try to trick you to say something is wrong with it so they can say it's physical damage.
I hope I remember to re-flash Hard SPL or I might be wondering why my rom flashing doesn't work.

see i totally screwed myself...i experienced these problems and continued to bend my usb connector all around and eventually broke that plastic piece out (first type with the holes)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359695
and then from that being out i smashed the syncing pin over and over and that broke out...tried to solder it..got it to stay and sync for a few days then stopped syncing again then re soldered it and got isopropyl alcohol on my water damage pad so now im trying to figure out what to do...then last night i smashed the +5v and broke that pin...so i cant revert the spl so my only options are pay the 79 bucks to have ppctechs fix it or slip that plastic piece back in (its stays in even if a usb plug is inserted), get something to replace that pad (maybe construction paper...just to fool the eyes as im sure they wont give that a second look), sticking it in bootloadetr mode so it "looks broken" and try to work a att store rep into replacing it on the spot due to the boot up screen and steer away from the usb port problem as i screwed myself on that lol...any advice?

Tilt won't stay powered off

First off, I just want to say thanks for anyone who might be able to be of some assistance. I've tried searching google and the forums but haven't had any luck. If I've missed something, please feel free to hit me upside the head with the spoon.
I've recently been having problems with my Tilt regarding charging/battery issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2220715&postcount=37
Here's a quick rundown of my history...
- Can use Active Sync just fine
- When trying to charge, it says charging but won't charge
- No visible damage to the mini usb plug (at least to me)
- Had accident where the usb cable was pulled out from Tilt
Now...
I recently bought a charger that will just charge the battery separately from the phone until I can get it repaired. It's working fine so far except one issue. Whenever I try to power off the device (hold the power button till prompted to turn off), it'll power off then it'll power itself back on after 3 seconds. I did a hard reset to see if that would fix anything but it didn't. The only way to keep the phone off is to take out the battery. But once I put the battery back in, it'll power on by itself. The power button doesn't seem to be sticking or anything but I guess anything is possible. If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate it very much!!!
(I'm currently running the stock AT&T Rom without any programs installed. Also, I've never had any other Rom flashed on it.)

dieneverknowing said:
First off, I just want to say thanks for anyone who might be able to be of some assistance. I've tried searching google and the forums but haven't had any luck. If I've missed something, please feel free to hit me upside the head with the spoon.
I've recently been having problems with my Tilt regarding charging/battery issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2220715&postcount=37
Here's a quick rundown of my history...
- Can use Active Sync just fine
- When trying to charge, it says charging but won't charge
- No visible damage to the mini usb plug (at least to me)
- Had accident where the usb cable was pulled out from Tilt
Now...
I recently bought a charger that will just charge the battery separately from the phone until I can get it repaired. It's working fine so far except one issue. Whenever I try to power off the device (hold the power button till prompted to turn off), it'll power off then it'll power itself back on after 3 seconds. I did a hard reset to see if that would fix anything but it didn't. The only way to keep the phone off is to take out the battery. But once I put the battery back in, it'll power on by itself. The power button doesn't seem to be sticking or anything but I guess anything is possible. If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate it very much!!!
(I'm currently running the stock AT&T Rom without any programs installed. Also, I've never had any other Rom flashed on it.)
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There is an option somewhere in power settings that enables/disables the Tilt from charging when connected to a PC. This may be the cause of the first issue.
However, the fact that it won't stay powered off...I have never heard of that before it sounds like a hardware issue. If your Tilt is still covered under warranty I would get it replaced.

bengalih said:
There is an option somewhere in power settings that enables/disables the Tilt from charging when connected to a PC. This may be the cause of the first issue.
However, the fact that it won't stay powered off...I have never heard of that before it sounds like a hardware issue. If your Tilt is still covered under warranty I would get it replaced.
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Thanks for the reply! I tried adjusting that setting along with any other settings I could find regarding power but all without any luck.
I'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue as well, but I guess what I'm really wondering is if any one can make a semi-educated guess as to whether this could be involved with my mini usb plug issue or if the motherboard is just screwed
I'd love to send it in for a replacement but of course my warranty expired 5 days before the problems started

dieneverknowing said:
Thanks for the reply! I tried adjusting that setting along with any other settings I could find regarding power but all without any luck.
I'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue as well, but I guess what I'm really wondering is if any one can make a semi-educated guess as to whether this could be involved with my mini usb plug issue or if the motherboard is just screwed
I'd love to send it in for a replacement but of course my warranty expired 5 days before the problems started
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I'm not a hardware guru with HTC, although I have alot of experience troubleshooting PCs and Servers. I would say that it is unlikely that the USB port is what is causing the device to keep turning on.
In any event, are you qualified or ready to try an replace either one yourself (usb port or motherboard)?
There are 3rd party services that will fix the device...but they aren't cheap...it can cost $1-200 bucks or maybe more.
Are you running the Stock ROM/Radio/SPL? Or did you flash anything new?
You may want to revert everything back to defaults and see if the problem persists.

bengalih said:
I'm not a hardware guru with HTC, although I have alot of experience troubleshooting PCs and Servers. I would say that it is unlikely that the USB port is what is causing the device to keep turning on.
In any event, are you qualified or ready to try an replace either one yourself (usb port or motherboard)?
There are 3rd party services that will fix the device...but they aren't cheap...it can cost $1-200 bucks or maybe more.
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I'm handy with computer hardware and everything but not really with small electronics. I was willing to send it to a repair shop to have the usb plug replaced in hopes of fixing my charging problems but now I'm not sure if it'll be worth it if there's a bigger/more expensive problem.
bengalih said:
Are you running the Stock ROM/Radio/SPL? Or did you flash anything new?
You may want to revert everything back to defaults and see if the problem persists.
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I'm currently and always have been on the Stock Rom. I bought the phone as a refurb so who knows if someone here had it before me and flashed a bunch of roms . But since I've had it I've kept it running the stock AT&T rom. I also did a hard reset after I noticed the problem but it help anything.

dieneverknowing said:
I'm handy with computer hardware and everything but not really with small electronics. I was willing to send it to a repair shop to have the usb plug replaced in hopes of fixing my charging problems but now I'm not sure if it'll be worth it if there's a bigger/more expensive problem.
I'm currently and always have been on the Stock Rom. I bought the phone as a refurb so who knows if someone here had it before me and flashed a bunch of roms . But since I've had it I've kept it running the stock AT&T rom. I also did a hard reset after I noticed the problem but it help anything.
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Hmm..yeah...refurb doesn't sit well with me.
At least the problem isn't a crippling one...since you can charge it with a stand-alone charger. As far as not staying off....that's kind of annoying, but I don't generally turn my Tilt completely off. You can always just put all the power saving stuff on to cut down on battery.
So, it seems like something you may have to live with, or pay for repairs. Hopefully someone can offer a better miracle cure than those suggestions...

bengalih said:
Hmm..yeah...refurb doesn't sit well with me.
At least the problem isn't a crippling one...since you can charge it with a stand-alone charger. As far as not staying off....that's kind of annoying, but I don't generally turn my Tilt completely off. You can always just put all the power saving stuff on to cut down on battery.
So, it seems like something you may have to live with, or pay for repairs. Hopefully someone can offer a better miracle cure than those suggestions...
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I was a little weary of buying a refurb at first, but it was actually in great condition and worked just fine until when I accidentally kicked the cable out of it. But thanks for the suggestions. And you're right, it's still very usable, just a bit more of a hassle right now. Hopefully someone out there has something for me.

Exact same problem as dieneverknowing. I am going to try some new batteries and see what happens.
- When trying to charge, it says charging but does not charge
- bought a charger that will just charge the battery separately - working fine so far except one issue.
- whenever I try to power off the device (hold the power button till prompted to turn off), it'll power off then it'll power itself back on after 3 seconds. I did a hard reset to see if that would fix anything but it didn't. The only way to keep the phone off is to take out the battery. But once I put the battery back in, it'll power on by itself.

im having the same issue on my old tilt. i took it apart. and still no luck . no visible damage, gonna clean everything and put it back together.
was this problem ever solved. sorry for bumping an old thread. But this is my same issue.

Hey don't worry about bumping an old thread. I meant to do the same when I got my phone fixed.
Turns out it was the sync connector that had damage. I sent it to PPC Techs for this service and it made it like new. I never tried to take it apart, but I could only assume that at some point in time, one of the pins in the connector became separated from the motherboard.

thats what it looks like to me. i have it narrowed down to the board with the usb connector. but not sure yet. How much was that service. i would replace it my self if i can find that part at frys today.

Service was $80, and then you had to pay shipping both ways. I had looked into replacing it myself, but my small electronic skills aren't good enough for me to risk it on a pricy phone. I remember seeing the connector part somewhere online for $40 I believe, but I can't remember where though.
But PPC Techs had it repaired in less then 24 hrs after receiving it. And they did a great job. It feels more solid then when I had originally bought the phone.

Is my USB port busted?

Tried connecting my kaiser to 2 different pc's and it won't get detected. The device will charge but activesync won't pick it up. Also its not listed in device manager! I tried disabling/renabling advanced network functionality as well has soft reset the device several times. I'm on the verge of hard reseting BUT when i put my device in bootloader mode it only says serial.. will not say USB as its supposed to
any help would be appreciated.. i'm on death v4 rom btw.
thanks in advance!

fone_fanatic said:
The device will charge but activesync won't pick it up.
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Can you get an activesync connection via Bluetooth? When you inspect the extUSB connection can you see anything which looks wrong (such as a wire sticking out/in more than the others? What happened preceding this problem?
If you hard reset the device I don't see the relevance of the bootloader. It'll just restore the original image from where it's tucked away in the devices ROM. If it was working fine straight after you installed the ROM thats on it now and doesn't work after a hard restore then that points towards a hardware failure. If you have to go down the path of restoring to a different (original) ROM for returning purposes, there are ways of doing this with a microSD card - although I've not tried. I think the wiki would help there.

bluetooth activesync is working, i did a hard reset and nothing. Flashed to romeos via microsd and now its acting all strange.
After it completed the flash from microsd, i soft reset the device and it rebooted backinto bootloader.. i removed the microsd and soft reset several times and it kept going to bootloader. I attempted to hard reset as well and same thing, would go to bootloader. Removed the battery for a couple minutes and still same thing. Plugged it into USB with it off and it turn on by itself and go straight to bootloader. Unplugged the USB cable, took out the battery and put it back in, then plug the USB cable back in and this time the orange light came on as if charging and it finally booted up. The above has happened to me previously on my hermes but that was when the battery was extremely low, my battery level is currently at 97%!
now its booted into the freshly flashed rom and still same thing... charging but not being recognized by the PC... i've checked the usb port on the device and everything looks fine.
I'm lost at what to do now....

This might be a stupid reply but I had the same problem. My cable was busted so you could try another cable.

I am in the same situation here
Tried it with 3 different PCs with 3 different cables.
It's charging, Active sync pickes it up and trying to connect but fails to connect.
The only think I can come up with, I used new charger in the car. May be it killed the port
Is there any way to find out for sure?

i tried 2 cables with 2 different pcs... its only charging it and the computer won't detect the device at all. Nothing under usb in device manager.. even in bootloader, it only says serial not usb. I've downgraded to a shipped AT&T rom and Radio through the storage card but i still need to downgrade the SPL before i attempt to get a warranty exchange. IS that possible to do with through microsd yet?

I'm having the same issue. The usb port charges the phone fine with the USB cable, but teh computer does not detect the device. I also tried the headphones and they work fine as well. Help!
Update: I just tried a different usb cable, and now the computer recognizes the device, but as an unknown device.!!!!!

fone_fanatic said:
bluetooth activesync is working, i did a hard reset and nothing. Flashed to romeos via microsd and now its acting all strange.
After it completed the flash from microsd, i soft reset the device and it rebooted backinto bootloader.. i removed the microsd and soft reset several times and it kept going to bootloader. I attempted to hard reset as well and same thing, would go to bootloader. Removed the battery for a couple minutes and still same thing. Plugged it into USB with it off and it turn on by itself and go straight to bootloader. Unplugged the USB cable, took out the battery and put it back in, then plug the USB cable back in and this time the orange light came on as if charging and it finally booted up. The above has happened to me previously on my hermes but that was when the battery was extremely low, my battery level is currently at 97%!
now its booted into the freshly flashed rom and still same thing... charging but not being recognized by the PC... i've checked the usb port on the device and everything looks fine.
I'm lost at what to do now....
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Have you tried these steps?
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/help/synchronize/activesync-usb.mspx

ajay6780 said:
Have you tried these steps?
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/help/synchronize/activesync-usb.mspx
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Thanks for that suggestion but still no dice
The computer isn't detecting the device at all! Usually when a usb device is plugged in you can go to device manager and look under USB and see it there, but its not showing up. I've scanned for hardware changes several times and nothing.
I've now tried on 3 different computers (2 pc's and 1 mac) with 2 different USB-MiniUSB cables and nothing!!
i guess i'll just go to the at&t device support center tomorrow and hope they'll replace it on the spot and notice that i've changed the SPL...

can i ask for the people that are having this problem to do the following.
With your device unplugged from the PC open device manager. (Right click My Computer -> Properties -> Hardware (3rd tab) -> Device manager) Then expand the last tab (Universal Serial Bus Controller) and plug in your device.. if it doesn't show up then click actions -> scan for hardware changes..
I just want to make sure if your computer is detecting your device or not..

just an update with my situation. i went into the att device service center today and told them my problem... the guy behind the counter had no clue what he was doing. he just looked at it like a monkey for minutes then swapped it out for a new one. no questions asked even though it was hard spl'd, cid unlocked, and sim unlocked.
but now this device's vibration is really weak and i lost my invsishield protection on the front (kept the battery cover and my ppctechs scren protector)

Busted? or just won't work
Hi all,
I have been coming to these forums for a little while and only posted a couple of times. I felt this was important. I was having the same problem. Tried the cables, resets, ROM changes the works. I have had my at&t tilt htc 8925 for 36 days when I reported the problem to them. But it actually started about 10 days before. At&t tech support was very rude and accusatory when it came to them "helping" me. I, like probably all owners of a phone like this treat it like gold. It is very important to me. So when I contacted tech support and was told it was probably abuse or I had "buyers remorse" (I don't want to return the phone I just want it fixed!?)
The best they can do and they do not budge on this is for me to return the phone for an exchange. BUT, and this is a BIG AT&T but, the phone they exchange it with is refurbished. Something someone has returned. I do not want a phone that has been returned. I want mine fixed. "This is my phone, there are many like it but this one is mine" Know what I mean? When I bought the phone the guarantee was "we'll just replace it with a new phone" and I like 1000's of others did not ask if that "new phone" was refurbished. It is. Now advocates will tell you as they did me, refurbished is actually BETTER than new. Huh? Then why aren't all phones sold refurbished ones? And if they are so great, take mine back, give me one of those "crappy" new phones and give mine to someone who wants a sweet refurb. I am outraged by the whole mess.
I have searched forums and complaint sites. The bad usb port problem is NOT an isolated incident. There are a lot of people with the same "it charges but won't sync" problem. This is a known problem they refuse to address. Their stand, send in for refurb.
Personally I would like to see a recall fix class action against at&t. It can be fixed but they just don't want too. I thought I would be relatively safe buying for a huge company. They spend millions on advertising to simply leave their customers twisting in the wind after 30 days. Very bad business.
That's the rant. So I decided that if the warranty was useless anyway I'd take a shot at it myself before sending out for repair myself. There is a place in California PPC Tech http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main.asp?area=home that will fix the usb for $79 and ship it back to you in a few days. They seem to be reputable and a lot of people are opting to fix this problem themselves.
How did I fix mine? by altering the mini usb end of the sync cable. I tried other cables and connectors but I think it has something to do with the contact points. The only way mine would work was if I plugged it in, wiggled it slowly and with a little bit of pressure at times, around until the screen brightens. That means it has made a connection, then don't move. Hold very still. It took both my hands. Wait for what seems like 2 mins and it would start to sync. Based on this. my repair (before I send it to California for repair, which I may end up doing anyway) is make sure the plug on the phone is straight and not damaged. If you can get the phone to sync this way you may be able to crimp the mini end of the usb very very slightly to make the connection you are manually doing by wiggling it around. It took a lot of small tweaking but it now syncs about 29 out of 30 times. That's about as good as it gets.
So good luck to us all. If you can't get it to work yourself send it out west to PPC Tech. In this economy the phone companies like at&t better start getting their customer service back on track before they have no customers to service, It has happened to the biggest before. Wake up AT&T! The days of the business model of massive turnover and new signups is coming to an end as people tighten their belts. Treating current and future users poorly is a sure fire way to put yourself out of business.

here is my gift to you all..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362679
read this post and check EVERY SINGLE LINK in the first post...i had this issue and i ended bending my usb plug every which way until finally i broke the plastic seperator off and in turn smashing the second pin from the left on the top off (the one in charge of activesync) over and over until it broke...i didnt really care i could still flash by sd but then i smashed the + power pin and so i was on the phone with att for many many hours explaining to them that its a known issue to users but not to the company and they finally sent me a replacement..i should have just searched my butt off before trying to deal with a problem/fox it myself (yes i dissasembled it and soldered the pin back on and it broke off multiple times causing me to dissasemble it many many times and smashing it again and i ended up getting alcohol on the water damage void pad which i replaced) learn from me...if you ever have ANY problems that are significant..dont try fixing JUST GET A REPLACEMENT...who cares if its a refurb..if the refurb sucks then send it back until they send you a new kit...after 5 returns you get a new kit soo just keep sendin back them refurbs until your happy

oh and to make it easy on yourself because if you tell att you have a usb problem its NOT covered under warranty and will take you many many hours like me to convince them otherwise (which someone eventually will understand because certain people ARE familiar with this problem at ATT it just depends who you get and how many times youve been elevated in support)..what you need to do is IF YOU CAN return your spl back to stock (if you manage to get a long enough connection with activesync) but if not dont worry too much att doesnt really check spl just that you have the shipped rom on there so load the shipped rom (found on here) on your sd and flash back and just make up some excuse that it isnt working right and youl get a replacement or if you can get the spl revrted jus throw your device in bootloader by a failed flash (pull the usb out during flash) and say its stuck in the funny colored screen lol

jaysjob, i've been dealing with ppctechs for a long time (probably since '03-'04) they're very reputable and highly recommended. They actually got the contract to be the authorized repair center for I-Mate about a year ago.
But why would you pay $79 for something where u can get a complete replacement? Yah it might be a refurb but my device that i turned in was all scratched up from drops.. the images on the start, ie, and messaging buttons by the d-pad had scratched off.. and now the device i got looks brand new (i actually think it is a new one but i never asked if it was a refurb or not)
pazookie, what your saying is true.. always take advantage of the warranty if you have it. If you dont and you want to repair it yourself, know what your doing! I'm very handy and have done many lcd replacements and other various repairs on cellphones (nokias, HTCs, sony ericsson, samsung, motorola, u name it!)
My little brother has the n82 and he bought the black case, I told him to wait for me and i'd help him do it but he got impatient and he thought it was gonna be a simple swap. He ended up breaking his LCD doing it which set him back $80!
anyways i'm happy now with a new device but i'm gonna go back tomorrow and get it replaced again because the vibrate is extremely weak!

fone_fanatic said:
jaysjob, i've been dealing with ppctechs for a long time (probably since '03-'04) they're very reputable and highly recommended. They actually got the contract to be the authorized repair center for I-Mate about a year ago.
But why would you pay $79 for something where u can get a complete replacement? Yah it might be a refurb but my device that i turned in was all scratched up from drops.. the images on the start, ie, and messaging buttons by the d-pad had scratched off.. and now the device i got looks brand new (i actually think it is a new one but i never asked if it was a refurb or not)
pazookie, what your saying is true.. always take advantage of the warranty if you have it. If you dont and you want to repair it yourself, know what your doing! I'm very handy and have done many lcd replacements and other various repairs on cellphones (Niki's, HTCs, sony ericsson, samsung, motorola, u name it!)
My little brother has the n82 and he bought the black case, I told him to wait for me and i'd help him do it but he got impatient and he thought it was gonna be a simple swap. He ended up breaking his LCD doing it which set him back $80!
anyways i'm happy now with a new device but i'm gonna go back tomorrow and get it replaced again because the vibrate is extremely weak!
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Hi fone
Thanks for the reply.
Yes, I agree with you. If the phone has something else that is messed up like you were saying a scratched screen or buttons. It's just that I am as careful as I can be to keep the phone in nice condition just to send it back for maybe one that someone didn't take the same care of.
Mine works good now. I think it has something to do with when I crimped the cable end. It make a tighter fit. I think that may be the key to mine and others problems. For sure it is becoming more and more clear that there is a design flaw whether att wants to acknowledge it or not.
Thanks for your input about PPC too. If I do end up having to fix it that's probably the way I'll go if that is still the only thing wrong. Otherwise it's in for the warranty as you suggested. I KNOW I'm not that smart.

Im having this same issue and it is definately not a cable problem.

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Im having this same issue and it is definately not a cable problem.
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if u think its a hardware problem then take it to a service center. The guys there just follow step by step guides on how to diagnose phone issues. For me he saw a crack in the usb jack on my device and just replaced it. If you send it in to HTC i think theres a higher risk of them figuring outu the device is hard spl'd and wont honor your warranty.

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Im having this same issue and it is definately not a cable problem.
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taylor, I'm not saying it is a cable problem. I am saying it is a hardware port problem. I "fixed" mine, probably temporarily, by crimping my usb cord so that it holds more firmly in the port. I did say if you have the same problem and you use the same test I did ie: move it slightly, Gently, not like others I have heard stories of where they ram it from side to side until it snaps off, that you might be able to do what I did. I thought others with the same problem might be able to use this workaround until at&t figures out it is not an isolated incident with thousands of people having the same problem thats all. Hope this helps.
jj

I had a similar problem. Phone would charge fine, but windows didnt even recognise anything was plugged in. Interestingly the bootloader changed to USB when the cable was connected, and Serial when unplugged.
As it turns out (thanks Flying Kiwi for suggesting the obvious I had overlooked) the middle top pin was recessed too much into the plastic guide, so I stabbed it a bit with a scapel and all is well.
So it seems that the Serial/USB section of the bootloader cant even be trusted.

Trackball boot

PLZ help im freaking out. i accidentally booted into the blue light mode, but when i pulled the battery and rebooted the backlight wouldnt work. i could see everything and even navigate my phone but only under a light. the backlight just wont turn on during boot and changing the setting doesnt help.
i dont get it the thing was working 10 minutes ago and now i cant use it what should i do? i love this phone but i cant afford a new one. is there a way to tell it to turn on during boot in the console?

ok new update the backlight works if i have the keyboard open. i know 100% its software and not the screen. something when wrong with the boot prosses or something.
i think the trackball boot (bluelight boot) must have options but wont display on the screen maybe. like a bios menu. this is very infuriating

Why don't you restore a recent backup?

i have even went as far as downgrading with the .nbh file. and re installing the bootloader (Just the original, didnt want a brick).

Definitely NOT a software problem.
This is a HARDWARE problem -- hence the fact that it works when the keyboard is open.
When you pulled the battery, you might have twisted/pulled something.
*** I would check the ribbon cable connecting the display to the main body!!!
Bluelight mode (where you end up by booting with the trackball pushed in), is just a serial console allowing interfacing with the radio firmware. Unless you actually had a serial cable connected and punched in some commands (which happen to be security locked, therefore wouldn't work for you anyways), bluelight mode wouldn't be able to do this.

lbcoder said:
Definitely NOT a software problem.
This is a HARDWARE problem -- hence the fact that it works when the keyboard is open.
When you pulled the battery, you might have twisted/pulled something.
*** I would check the ribbon cable connecting the display to the main body!!!
Bluelight mode (where you end up by booting with the trackball pushed in), is just a serial console allowing interfacing with the radio firmware. Unless you actually had a serial cable connected and punched in some commands (which happen to be security locked, therefore wouldn't work for you anyways), bluelight mode wouldn't be able to do this.
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if that were the case than wouldnt it flicker if i flex the screen/hinge ? ill try anything at this point cuz im outa warranty and have no money . im going to the store later trying to update to official 1.6 so i can convince them its software related and they may replace it for me.

oh forgot to mention that if i close it and open it the light stays off untill i hit end and unlock with menu again. im not to sure if that helps.

OK OK OK you are right. i just half closed it and the light stayed on untill it compleatly closed (so the screen flipped, i thought that is what triggered it) and then i got it to stay on completely closed and then the problem flipped to it wouldnt come on while open and now back to the way it was. so im going to go buy a T5 screw driver today and clean the contacts of the ribon cable and reinsert it (i have had experience with that just need to know what ribon. a pic would be nice)

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OK OK OK you are right. i just half closed it and the light stayed on untill it compleatly closed (so the screen flipped, i thought that is what triggered it) and then i got it to stay on completely closed and then the problem flipped to it wouldnt come on while open and now back to the way it was. so im going to go buy a T5 screw driver today and clean the contacts of the ribon cable and reinsert it (i have had experience with that just need to know what ribon. a pic would be nice)
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There is only one ribbon running to the screen. Try THAT one.

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There is only one ribbon running to the screen. Try THAT one.
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LOL lbcoder - always practical.

lbcoder said:
There is only one ribbon running to the screen. Try THAT one.
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lol ok didn't know that a lot of the devices I have taken apart have had 2 one for the desplay and one for the backlight. Getting a T5 screw driver in half an hour. Will post results later. Hopefully this works, therr area few more ppl with the same problem.

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lol ok didn't know that a lot of the devices I have taken apart have had 2 one for the desplay and one for the backlight. Getting a T5 screw driver in half an hour. Will post results later. Hopefully this works, therr area few more ppl with the same problem.
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There are two wires going to the screen.. sounds like the "top" one is loose... The jtag photos will give you an idea (it's the two com ports next to the jtag test points)
These are usually taped down very well..
Also you need both a T5 and T6.. the "Security" (has black void sticker) screw is larger than the others.. and a small flat head screwdriver to unclip the cover..
If all else fails: replacement screens seem much cheaper than the phone on ebay.

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There are two wires going to the screen.. sounds like the "top" one is loose... The jtag photos will give you an idea (it's the two com ports next to the jtag test points)
These are usually taped down very well..
Also you need both a T5 and T6.. the "Security" (has black void sticker) screw is larger than the others.. and a small flat head screwdriver to unclip the cover..
If all else fails: replacement screens seem much cheaper than the phone on ebay.
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ok got it apart 3 times and no luck its prolly the ribbon cable. im going to test that soon. i have a donor phone comming soon from a friend who dropped it in water, the ribbon cable should be fine to use. if that doesnt work im thinking maybe it is software. either way if i cant get it fixed by next month im spending $410 on a new mytouch 3G brand new from the store and getting insurance XP

[Q] Captivate Battery Prongs Bricked

I have rooted my Captivate with Cognition 2.1 and decided to try a new rom. Cognition 2.2. In the middle of the process the update would not complete and after an hour of waiting I pulled the usb cable. Now it does not power at all or make a connection with the laptop. I have tried all sorts of three button and two button methods along with building the homemade jig but it still does not go.
On the three battery prongs the one on the left is facing up. Would this keep the phone from charging or starting up. There is wear marks on the battery on that spot so I would assume it is making connection. From what I read these phones do come back to life but it is a charging issue then it will not happen. Also was thinking that the captivate will power on without a battery through the USB or power cable.
Have talked to ATT and they will not do a warranty on the phone because of the bent prong (does not matter if it has nothing to do with whats wrong with the phone) it has physical damage.

well that just sucks don't it? lols

i know this is probably a pretty obvious question but did you try to bend the prong back so it matches the other ones?

i have tried to bend it back but it just seems to bounce back to where it was. was thinking about pulling the whole back off the phone but I have never taken a captivate apart so not quite sure what it entails.

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i have tried to bend it back but it just seems to bounce back to where it was. was thinking about pulling the whole back off the phone but I have never taken a captivate apart so not quite sure what it entails.
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ive never taken one apart either but i would imagine that you would need a small screw driver and wouldnt have to take more than the back cover off.
here is a pictoral teardown of the phone
http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-13625_11-456848.html

OK I guess the captivate is coming apart. I supposed this would call for a u-tube video

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OK I guess the captivate is coming apart. I supposed this would call for a u-tube video
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Can you take a picture of it with another camera so someone else could tell you if it appears as it should?

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OK I guess the captivate is coming apart. I supposed this would call for a u-tube video
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Not hard to take apart....just pry up slightly in center of battery lock slide to expose two bottom screws and a fingernail to pry case apart...no scratches that way. The tabs holding it together are breakable but working around the entire device gradually works well.

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here are some pictures of the battery pronges

etm11871 said:
here are some pictures of the battery pronges
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They might not do a warranty exchange, but you aren't killed. I don't see why you think taking the phone apart is going to make any difference, as the prong is damaged on the outside of the phone.
As for if thats the cause of the brick, I doubt it. Unless you bent the prong AFTER you pulled the USB cable, i don't think it's the problem. It wouldn't work for awhile and then decide not to just because you botched a flash.
When you bend them back into place, does it look normal before it pops back? And I work at AT&T, I deal with that crap every day. Word to the wise; don't mention it, they don't bother looking.
Late Edit: Has your prong been bent before, and is the wear mark on the batteries connector in the same spots as the other ones? With the way yours is positioned, it might not be making a full connection.

I do not think the battery prong is my problem either. The girl at the store mentioned it to the so called Android specialist and she said that was physical damage and because of that ATT would charge me $454 for a new phone even if it had nothing to do with why the phone will not turn on. I would have to assume that I am now black flagged on my account.
I am going to hold off on taking the phone apart and see about trying some other suggestions first. Of course not sure what those suggestions are at this point.

This is not Development related.

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That same thing happened to me, it still worked fine for me, but I ended up bricking it a bit later. I used insurance and got a new phone, bricked it, sent both in to samsung, the fixed the prongs on the broken one, (yeah I didn't send back the phone to AT&T's insurance, **** em) and reflashed both of them to stock firmware, and got them both back, in working condition. But always make sure you have Button combos before flashing. In the Wiki there's a link to DesignGear's fix you can flash with Clockwork.

I think I would just carefully push the bad pin down as you insert the battery. Don't take the battery out unless you have to.

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I don't see why you think taking the phone apart is going to make any difference, as the prong is damaged on the outside of the phone.
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I don't understand the need to pull the phone apart. As a temp fix, u could try soldering a small copper wire piece to the battery terminal, either on the battery or on the phone.
If you don't want to get into the mess of soldering, place the battery and push the single strand wire into it so the contact is made. Or else u could put the wire on the bottom and bend it little so it stands up touching the connector, and place the battery on top of it.

May want to edit those pics and black out the IMEI and other info.

Problem with just doing the temp fix in order to get your phone back into download mode - one of the last steps is jamming the battery back in with the USB cable plugged in while holding down both VOLUME buttons.
But - um you don't even see the grey battery charging icon?

There are other ways to get into download mode. He could apply the temp fix, open odin, hold both volume buttons, then plug the usb cable in. That's what I do.
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How bout you go back to another art store, say you where doing an ota update, and when you went to turn your phone on, all you got was a bland screen