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Hi,
I have a very weird problem with my Tytn II, which I bought little over a week now.
People I was talking to complained they didn't hear me very good, the sound appeared to drop. It occured to me that it was happening when I used the speaker (handsfree) of the phone.
I did some testing, and this is what happens:
I (with the Tytn II) call person X, and when I and person X are talking together, person X cannot hear me, the sound on his side simply fades to nothing, until 1 of us keeps quiet. The same happens when for example sound from my car is picked up by the phone, thus resulting in the device not being usable in the car, since there's always some noise. I however on my side keep hearing person X, it's person X that doesn't hear me.
It happens with 2 sim cards, everyone I call, did a hard reset, HTC support doesn't know the problem...
I'm puzzled. Can anyone suggest anything? Or is it faulty?
Thanks
no, mine does the same thing. I got it a few days ago and when i used speaker while driving, i could hear the other person perfect, but they cant seem to hear me. It feels like half duplex. i hope this is fixable
Damn, it seems widespread then...?
Anyone who can test it?
maybe it has to do with whatever noise cancelling algorithm is in effect is mucking everything up
ziddey said:
maybe it has to do with whatever noise cancelling algorithm is in effect is mucking everything up
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Meaning that every single device would have this, and thus mine not being faulty?
I had the same problem but remembered that there was an automatic sound function which turns down the volume when talking is too hard and turns it up when to soft. Its called microphone agc and you can find it under system configuration. Now that it's turned off my dutch htc tytn II works fine in handsfree mode. Hoop this helps you also
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I had the same problem but remembered that there was an automatic sound function which turns down the volume when talking is too hard and turns it up when to soft. Its called microphone agc and you can find it under system configuration. Now that it's turned off my dutch htc tytn II works fine in handsfree mode. Hoop this helps you also
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It's already turned off :-( .
However, I just called with HTC, and they said it's because of the mic and the speaker being too close to each other, and thus it compensates.
They say every model has it however, they did a test today and the result was that it was a feature, not a bug...
Anyone here who does not have it on his device?
I have this problem all the time, both on speaker and just using the phone to my ear as normal.
People complain I am very quiet or that the sound is choppy and I sound like a robot
I used to have this problem on the O2 XDA IIs a few years ago.
Anyone else have it too? I'd like to know asap if this device is faulty, or if it's normal?
Sometimes, it seems that when I'm holding it to my ear, the sound seem to drop on the other side too...
I have exactly the same problem. People have trouble hearing me with loudspeaker switched on. Without speaker they can hear me perfectly.
I have the same problem too. Just try to disable the Microphone AGC thing and it fixes the problem. Thanks downnootje.
I have teh same problem , but I tried something and it is improved the Operation , try to minimize the Speaker volume to the minimum level and then it improes a little and it works for me ; not all the time but that is what we can do at the moment
I'm convinced now that it's a mojor problem.
Mine even got worse: since yesterday, it's happening without handsfree too, people can't almost hear me when I just hold it to my ear...
Is this a phone still, or can't it be used as such?
try enableing Microphone AGC thing, restart phone, and disable it
Me too. Juz got my set 2 days back. The other party hears my voice intermittently chop-off...
I have faced the similar problem on a particular China-made TV phone too. Tested two other units of the same model still the same. It seems to me the phone design issue, as after I changed to another model of China-made TV phone, the problem solved.
Sigh! Already got this expensive phone, think have to bear with this feature then if it is really cannot be resolved by new ROM.
same problem
i have the same problem...with my 8525 when I was on the train or in a similar noisy situation i never had any trouble with people hearing me on the other end...with the tilt i can't even carry on a conversation on the train...i called tech support and they told me to swap it out for a new one.
ziploker said:
try enableing Microphone AGC thing, restart phone, and disable it
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I've tried that and it doesn't help! Quite sad about it. I need to use speaker handsfree especially during driving.... Don't really like to hook-up the headset or BT headset... too messy for wired headset and too tedius (charging) for BT headset...
Now that I know its half duplex it works pretty well in the car - I just wait for the other person to stop talking
Surur
I will be sending mine to HTC for a planned hardware fix as they agreed there is a defect that affects all kaiser and tilts, but NOT the MDA VARIO III. this is a known issue and is hardware related. Good news for those who havent purchased one yet. I will sell mine on ebay if they dont asign me a RA soon. I rather have the MDA VARIO III as it has 2 cams.
(doesnt your HTC TYTN2 has 2 camera's?)
Same problem here. Hope for a sollution soon!
Will call HTC too soon, so theyll have more complaints about this defect.
i am facing an issue with my tytn II. When ever i shift to the loudspeaker, it seems the quality of the mic degrades. Keeping the phone at a distance of 1 feet, i have to shout so the other person can listen to me. And even normally if i compare my mic with other phones people says its difficult ti understand me when i am on this phone. is this a problem only with my phone or some one else is also facing the same?
PS :I can hear them very well though.
Tushar
gandotratushar said:
i am facing an issue with my tytn II. When ever i shift to the loudspeaker, it seems the quality of the mic degrades. Keeping the phone at a distance of 1 feet, i have to shout so the other person can listen to me. And even normally if i compare my mic with other phones people says its difficult ti understand me when i am on this phone. is this a problem only with my phone or some one else is also facing the same?
PS :I can hear them very well though.
Tushar
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same here hope we all find an answer!
I know on the wizard, there was a registry tweak to fix this issue.
\\\registry\HKLM\Software\HTC\AUDIOGAIN(x)\
I don't see this on the kaiser/tilt. There's probably some key out there...gotta find it.
there is an application in settings Microphone AGC (audio gain control) but it doesnt help much either.....its just an enable and disable...may be there is some registry tweak to make it more effective
i joined this forum because of this problem as there were a lot posts in a different thread about it; however, it appears no one has found a resolution to the problem.
Some say it is a design flaw while others have been thinking (including myself) that there might be some type of registry fix for this. The agc in the htc menu being disabled does nothing to resolve the problem; but there could still be something in the registry that relates specifically to when the speaker phone is being used (the agc in the htc menu mentions it is for recording; there might be another setting in the registry for when the "speaker phone" is being used that overides the htc agc menu setting).
I did see a post where somebody said they had found the gain/volume through some sort of hack and it left there phone with a reverb and backfeed(he did not say how he did it though) ; dont know what the poster really did or if there might some other alternative.
At any rate, I am hoping that a fix can be found especially one where i can hack the registry to experiment or change the gain/volume microphone settings.
Yea, me and my girl damn near argue every time I use the speaker phone. It's pretty inconvenient not being able to use it.
I know that I was also having an issue with my Bluetooth volume and I fixed that in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359098&page=4
I'm not sure if there's any registry settings in the same general area as the Bluetooth that would control the speaker volume. I'm surprised the super-sleuths here at XDA haven't figured out a way around this yet.
Get crackin' fellas!!!
i guess that nobody has done or either can do anything for that shame on htc once more
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Yea, me and my girl damn near argue every time I use the speaker phone.
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Also for me...I'm desperate
-haze- said:
Yea, me and my girl damn near argue every time I use the speaker phone
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bro u have the argument only when u use speaker phone....i have this argument whenever i talk to her even normally.....using the mic.....she says my earlier phone was 100 times better than this....whats the fun of buy so expensive one if we cant even talk.... i just hope i get some fix before i have a break-up ....)
i have tried almost all the radios available in the sticky......but nothing helped...(only made it worst sometimes)
You all need to change your Radio, I have had that with my tilt but after flashing and experimenting with a couple of radios it is OK now, not great but the other party can hear much better now and I did test it with my land line good quality.
i have tried all the radios but to no avail......anyother clue??????
just to get this on the top
seems like no one has a working solution for this issue??? or is it just no one cares ???
maherb said:
You all need to change your Radio, I have had that with my tilt but after flashing and experimenting with a couple of radios it is OK now, not great but the other party can hear much better now and I did test it with my land line good quality.
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Changing the radio does not resolve the problem; the following link/thread shows various radios were tried and never resulted in resolution.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337931&page=5
You also use the phrase :"it is ok now; not great" which leaves one to wonder if you really fixed as there have been "few" times that my speaker will operate "ok;but not great" but the caller still complains about me cutting in/out or has trouble understanding - most of the time the other caller cannot hear me or say i am garbled.
Also, the above thread also shows the problem was not resolved for users who sent there phone in for repair under warranty even when the phone was "replaced".
As one user said in the above thread:
"Hi:
I have a Tilt, and while I have not tried sending my phone in to the factory, I have done 3 warranty exchanges for this problem. All 3 had the SAME problem, so it seems that this problem is not isolated, and it is widespread "
Some have claimed this might be due to the non duplex design of the speaker meaning a hardware design flaw while others think there might some sort of software problem; but i really dont know; but do know that the problem exists and that a solution to the problem remains elusive and unresolved.
This is a problem with the HTC Hermes too.
1. The speakerphone volume is waaay too loud (even at softest setting).
2. The other party cannot hear you when you use the speakerphone.
bad news for me...
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bad news for me...
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bad news for me to
the speaker issue sucks....
*BUMP*
Same problem here.
Anyone have a tweak for this?
I have the same problem!!
I have a P3600..and now i came back from warranty and they change logical board...and now i have this problem!!
What can i do? if i came back the phone to warranty the problem remains?
help us please...
Is not possible that a phone that cost 550euro have this kind of problems...
I can barely play a podcast or song without it skipping around and sounding terrible. I’ve looked around for possible a2dp fixes, but cant seem to find anything that works. I tried the cab fix floating around, and it seemed to make it worse...
Anyone else having this issue, or know of a fix?
Ill even try a new ROM if need be. I’m current running the latest stock AT&T ROM at the moment.... haven’t tried any homebrew stuff on the tilt yet. I just broke open my old 8125 and installed WM6.1 with the touch flow cube... that was cool!
Don't use bluetooth headsets, but there is a fix for that in kaiserTweak as far as I remember. Besides, I've seen lots of threads about bluetooth issues here. You should search around.
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Don't use bluetooth headsets, but there is a fix for that in kaiserTweak as far as I remember. Besides, I've seen lots of threads about bluetooth issues here. You should search around.
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Wow... Dont use one... Great idea... Thanks for the advice.
Im gunna go return my Tilt and grab one of those bag phones off eBay today. Screw technology....
I haven't had an issue streaming internet radio over my S9's, on the old or new ROM. There are some BT tweaks in advanced config though...
-Jay
You talking bout the advanced config in KaiserTweak? I just unlocked my tilt and installed Dutty's latest and it still does it...
What advanced config are you refering to?
EDIT:: I just noticed there was an advanced config in system settings on Dutty's... playing with the BT settings now... but even the call quality with the S9 is garbage...
Using radio 1.58.26.20
pittaman said:
You talking bout the advanced config in KaiserTweak? I just unlocked my tilt and installed Dutty's latest and it still does it...
What advanced config are you refering to?
EDIT:: I just noticed there was an advanced config in system settings on Dutty's... playing with the BT settings now... but even the call quality with the S9 is garbage...
Using radio 1.58.26.20
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Advanced config is a similar program to Kaiser Tweak. It is made by Shapp's. You mentioned that you saw it in your Dutty ROM. Dutty may have baked that Shapp's goodness right in...
-Jay
Bull****...Here's your problem
Lower your bit pool setting in schap's advanced config......Set your bit pool to 61....max supported bit pool to 64.....minimum pit pool to 14....sample rate to 48000Hz that will fix your problem...I promise
Moto S9 are ****n' awsome.....
Peace
Mike
mike19722 said:
Lower your bit pool setting in schap's advanced config......Set your bit pool to 61....max supported bit pool to 64.....minimum pit pool to 14....sample rate to 48000Hz that will fix your problem...I promise
Moto S9 are ****n' awsome.....
Peace
Mike
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I agree. I wear mine to the gym. I stream internet radio over an HSDPA connection on my Tilt to the S9's. I can't stand when I forget to bring my S9's and I have to use a wired headset with an mp3 player. The wires really annoy me.
-Jay
mike19722 said:
Lower your bit pool setting in schap's advanced config......Set your bit pool to 61....max supported bit pool to 64.....minimum pit pool to 14....sample rate to 48000Hz that will fix your problem...I promise
Moto S9 are ****n' awsome.....
Peace
Mike
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I had my bitpool set at 20... Max 80... Everything else the same... Heard lower bit pool was better... haven’t tested your settings yet, but i did notice something strange. I paired the headset to my buddies laptop, and the audio worked fine after a few seconds...
Paired it back up with my phone, and as long as I’m not holing it in front of me (the phone), the audio was actually fine. Holding it in front of me, and having it gripped as if i was just holding it to hold it, covering up the majority of the phone, the audio sucked.... I placed it on the table in front of me, and off to the side, and the audio re-establishes a decent quality... really strange....
do the radio versions make a diff on the BT quality for a2dp? Should I try a different radio....?
pittaman said:
I had my bitpool set at 20... Max 80... Everything else the same... Heard lower bit pool was better... haven’t tested your settings yet, but i did notice something strange. I paired the headset to my buddies laptop, and the audio worked fine after a few seconds...
Paired it back up with my phone, and as long as I’m not holing it in front of me (the phone), the audio was actually fine. Holding it in front of me, and having it gripped as if i was just holding it to hold it, covering up the majority of the phone, the audio sucked.... I placed it on the table in front of me, and off to the side, and the audio re-establishes a decent quality... really strange....
do the radio versions make a diff on the BT quality for a2dp? Should I try a different radio....?
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I am sure you may have already tried this, but turning of WiFi eliminated this problem for me...Very annoying to be sure.
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I am sure you may have already tried this, but turning of WiFi eliminated this problem for me...Very annoying to be sure.
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Huh... didnt think about that.... although i usually have wifi off anyway.... ill double check
At least its more widespread than i thought.... is it just an A2DP issuie? it didnt seem to do it with a regular BT headset for talking.... and using the s9 for a conversation didnt seem to suffer the same issuie either... just sterio audio...
Still Having issues
Wireless is off and bit pool is down to 64 but I still have the "skipping" issue about 3 or 4 times a song
Hmmm
Yeah i have the settings set like suggested, but still have the issue when the device is obstructed.... I suppose thats just the nature of the beast. Not sure what else to do...
Will a different radio version provide different bluetooth performance?
Hate to say this, but I bought some S9's yesterday and they seem to be great! I'm using the default settings for A2DP.
However, I can see that there might be issues if the phone is directly infront of your head, since the transmitter and the receiver would have your head between them. Doesn't bode well for having the phone in your pocket and using the controls on the headphones does it! I'll see how they fare over the week with normal usage and then see if I'm still pleased!
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Hate to say this, but I bought some S9's yesterday and they seem to be great! I'm using the default settings for A2DP.
However, I can see that there might be issues if the phone is directly infront of your head, since the transmitter and the receiver would have your head between them. Doesn't bode well for having the phone in your pocket and using the controls on the headphones does it! I'll see how they fare over the week with normal usage and then see if I'm still pleased!
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I found some posts saying to delete the reg keys involving min and max bitpool, and that seemed to help somewhat... and it seem slike after the first bit of skippage, it seems to be fine.... all this and I havent had time to hit the gym to really try it out yet lol... Ill report back when I know more real world testing... on my desk seemed fine...
S9's are just crap. I have a set, and I hate mine, due to the constant interruptions unless there is direct line of sight between the transmitter and the receiver, and the pressure they put on my ears while still being very loose at the same time.
Not recommended.
Surur
Well, here is the report back! I'm still pleased. Tonight I gave them a real work out streaming audio through WMP since it's the biggest memory hog, surfing the net using Opera Mobile via a WiFi connection, logged into Skype and MSN and occasionally sending/receiving SMS. There was one heck of a lag whilst sliding the keyboard out. i could type SMS, but it took a few seconds for the screen to catch up. Im not dissapointed since all the other apps were running in the background at the time and would have all been reformatting for the switch to landscape mode. However, the S9's were perfect. No jumping, skipping, or lagging at any point, and I could use the headset audio controls without delay no matter what else was being done to the phone.
All in all, a great set of headphones and I reckon will give me 5 days of use based on around 4hours a day of music use. However the Kaiser is only just lasting a day now I'm using approx 5hours of the screen being constantly on, with 3 hours being WiFi use, and 4 being streaming music. Bigger battery time and larger memory card me thinks! (Larger card, cos I want to store more music than a 2GB card will let me!)
Hey guys the problem isn't totally the Tilt's fault. Playing with the Tilt's BT settings will make it a bit better, the real issue is in the S9. The BT radio is not very strong. If you review the S9 manual it will show that the phone has to be put into the "optimized zone' of the body, which is basically above the waist and below the neck and preferably to the left or right side of the body. Yes I know it's BT and it should go 30 feet and does well (not quite 30 feet) as long as the device is not right up next to something, like your body. Also, make sure nothing is covering the back bar of the S9. i can use my hand to cover the bar (where the radio is) and I will get drops immediately. i found this out because the first day I tried to use the S9 I had a jacket with a big thick collar. I would get skips left and right. Once I moved the device to the "optimized location" and made sure the s9 wasn't obstructed then I got good signal.
I think the s9 is great for workouts where you can leave your Tilt sitting on the bench, then you can go without any issue. As long as you don't throw your sweat towel over the Tilt.
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Hey guys the problem isn't totally the Tilt's fault. Playing with the Tilt's BT settings will make it a bit better, the real issue is in the S9. The BT radio is not very strong. If you review the S9 manual it will show that the phone has to be put into the "optimized zone' of the body, which is basically above the waist and below the neck and preferably to the left or right side of the body. Yes I know it's BT and it should go 30 feet and does well (not quite 30 feet) as long as the device is not right up next to something, like your body. Also, make sure nothing is covering the back bar of the S9. i can use my hand to cover the bar (where the radio is) and I will get drops immediately. i found this out because the first day I tried to use the S9 I had a jacket with a big thick collar. I would get skips left and right. Once I moved the device to the "optimized location" and made sure the s9 wasn't obstructed then I got good signal.
I think the s9 is great for workouts where you can leave your Tilt sitting on the bench, then you can go without any issue. As long as you don't throw your sweat towel over the Tilt.
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That's all I've ever used the S9's for is going to the gym. I usually either have the Tilt in the cupholder of the treadmill, or otherwise I have it on the floor at my feet while I'm using another piece of equipment. Never had any problems with it.
-Jay
For what it's worth, I own both a pair of S9's and a pair of Motorola HT820's. As much as I love the size and styling of the S9's, they do not hold a candle to the HT820's.
As mentioned in previous posts, I believe that the BT antenna on the S9's is extremely weak, and perhaps they lack a large buffer for streamed audio? What leads me to suspect this is that when using my HT820's, I can go a long distance from my device without skipping or interruption, even having music play on for a few seconds after going outside of what I would reasonably think their range would be.
With my S9's, all I need to do is turn my head the wrong way to have skipping.
If I was buying again, I would never spend money on the S9 headset again. Try as you might, tweaking out out device settings won't really fix your reception.
Anyhow, that's my $0.02
Hello, greetingz to all. I recently purchased used Xperia, and it worked well untill few days ago, when i start to have problems with microphone (in phone). The sound reception is very poor and people i talk to can barely hear me or not hearing me at all. I tried all and nothing works, except when i connect headset in vibration-only mode. Then the reception of the sound from the headset microphone perfect. But not when the sounds on the phone are on, or in any other case. I also tried does it record sound on video or audio for MMS - same thing, just crackling noise.
I would appreciate if anybody could help with this. Thanks in advance.
P.S. I did hard reset, i did reinstall software from SE Update (even i had most recent one), nothing happened.
Same problem here!
But i can use the headset when the sound is on.
Im afraid i lose my phone for a while, again. I had software problems before.
I think i will burn a good rom when it's back.
in settings->system->Microphone AGC
turned on ?
AGC == automatic gain control which mean the mic adjust it's sensitivity according to the volume of the surroundings
Rudegar,
i wish i read your tip before i brought it to the shop
but i think it would be standard because i also tried a hard reset?
there is also a crack in my xperia, so i sent it anyway
greets, robbin
Hey there!
I am very happy with my HTC One even after the announcement of the M8, but since a few days I have a very strange problem.
Every time I try to take a call, I need to enable the speaker, since the one I am calling with can't hear me without.
It seems like my voice is there, but really really quite.
I was using Viper One till today and it happened between 5.60 and 5.70, but today I changed the rom to see whether it could be a rom problem and using now InsertCoin SixthSense 1.0.1.
My HTC One is unlocked, S-OFF and of course rooted... any idea, what could fix my really quite voice, instead of screaming or using the speaker the whole time? I don't like it, when everybody can hear me talking on the phone, I'm no Eric Cartman.
Record some video with very loud sounds. Try blowing or whistling directly into the mic . Sounds crazy but it has worked for others.
Sent from my HTC One using xda app-developers app
Will try both "fixes" tomorrow.
So it's a already known problem for some users?
Btw: I tried to use Shazam and it also nearly identifies no music, even if it is in front of the speaker. So it has to be something with the normal mic. But why does it work flawlessly, when talking with the speaker enabled?
I suppose it could affect all mic functions. I personally experienced this with phone calls and personally fixed it with loud recordings (as did others), i didn't check shazam ..
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Okay tried it a few days ago with whistling directly into the mic and it didn't fixed my problem.
So I decided to try the extremely loud recording and it sadly also didn't worked.
But I found out, that it has been gotten worse than before. My recordings on 29.03 went with a few quite whistles, but my recording yesterday couldn't record any whistle at all and only got music, after I increased the volume to +300 and it's still really quite.
I also tried to flash a new radio and kernel, none of them fixed anything.
So I guess, flashing back to stock and bringing it to a repair station is the last chance I have?