Hi.
I am looking at purchasing my first HTC phone. My first thought is who to go with. As I am looking through the forums people generally don't seem to happy with what orange have done with the tytn 2. However vodafone customers seem quite happy with the v1615, apparently vodafone have not messed with the phone too much and it still remains close to the HTC release.
Do either vodafone or orange change the main screen with the options for weather etc.
If anyone has any further experience with this, It would be great to hear from you.
Thanks
Marc
I have the V1615, which is only lightly branded. The HTC Home plugin (with the weather etc) is disabled when you first get the phone, but can be easily re-enabled in the Today screen settings. Similarly you can swap the vodafone message and calendar icons for proper WM6 icons in the same settings page. It comes with a nasty Vodafone theme installed, but again you can swap that for something more standard.
The only other customisations I found were the dialling screen, and comms manager, which have cosmetic changes to fit with the Vodafone theme but are functionally identical to the HTC versions. It's also missing a couple of apps - namely Windows Live, Messenger, and Worldcard Mobile.
It's perfectly livable with, certainly compared to what I've seen of the Orange version... having said that, I did debrand mine in the end and switch to the stock HTC rom.
PS - from what I've read here and elsewhere the V1615 is actually sim unlocked, so open to any network, but I've not actually tried any other sim in mine.
The orange customisation is appalling... I flashed the phone with the shipped HTC generic ROM as soon as I got it home. Keep in mind that to do this you have to sim unlock the phone (currently no free solution, £20 or more depending on where you do it)
Also, the orange do not provide the TomTom taster than comes in the generic package.
HOWEVER... I have not seen the Voda TYTN II, but I say with certainty that the Orange TYTN (Hermes) looked much better than the Voda TYTN (Hermes).
Can anyone comment on the differences between how the Kaiser handsets differ visually?
EDIT: I just checked, the two variants look almost exactly the same
Just to jump in here too, I'm looking at getting the TyTN II on either Vodafone or T-Mobile, but can't decide which one to get
Just to add, the Voda V1615 did come with the TomTom taster on disk, along with Sprite backup etc - the same CD package as the HTC, afaik.
I flashed the phone with the shipped HTC generic ROM as soon as I got it home. Keep in mind that to do this you have to sim unlock the phone (currently no free solution, £20 or more depending on where you do it)
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If this is true (and I've no reason to doubt it) then the Vodafone is definitely SIM unlocked. All I had to do with mine is use the free CID utility available here (which just "unlocks" the firmware itself) and then run the usual Rom Update Utility to flash it with the generic HTC version. Total cost = £0.00.
If this is true (and I've no reason to doubt it)
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There are loads of threads with noobs who've flashed and then said AAAAHHHHHHHH WTF ha ha ha ha
I'm not exactly sure why the sim lock kicks in... legally I don't think it should because I have an orange SIM in an orange phone - I've just flashed it with a non-orange OS build.
I read in another thread that maybe the handset detects that you've got a radio stack of a non-orange build and prompts for SIM unlock code...
My UK v1615 is also unlocked. How cool is that?
I rather like the phone so far and visualy it's a very pretty phone with the brushed metal around the screen and the black glossy back. Very nice indeed.
Havent tried to debrand the ROM yet as i've found no reason to.
I have the V1615 from Vodafone and can confirm it is not sim locked none of the phonesi have ever had form Vodafone including my old TYTn were ever locked.
V1615 seems quite normal and has a very low amount of customisation, less than on most Vodafone phones.
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If this is true (and I've no reason to doubt it) then the Vodafone is definitely SIM unlocked. All I had to do with mine is use the free CID utility available here (which just "unlocks" the firmware itself) and then run the usual Rom Update Utility to flash it with the generic HTC version. Total cost = £0.00.
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What happens is, if you flash a new radio rom (that is not an orange rom) to an orange TYTN 2 then the phone complains about the sim card not being accepted.
The only current way around this is to pay £20+ (there is a member on here that will provide you with an unlock code) and unlock the phone.
Then you can carry on using the phone with none orange radio roms.
What people are currently doing (and sucessfully with out paying £20+ to unlock the phone) is flashing HardSPL and then flashing just the OS rom to their orange phones
Putting aside the Orange variants problem with simlock (which can be solved relatively cheaply) I would have said the argument is which carrier provides you the best deal, not just on the phone but the airtime package, network coverage etc.
At the end of the day, the device is the same and you can flash any of the ROMs found here and customise your shiny device any way you want
To be clear on the Orange simlock issue - this only occurs if you flash a different radio rom, flashing an OS only rom has no issues at all. Currently there is no need to use a different radio rom with the cooked rom's available here.
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Hello world.
After almost a year with a messy Nokia Communicator 9500 (it took 124 secs to render the eBay.com start page), which replaced my XDA2, I couldn't take it any longer and ordered a Qtek 9100 yesterday.
Since I am a O2 (Germany) subscriber I would like to have my homezone displayed. I guess the homezone indicator requires installation of a special app, as before with the XDA2?
Further, if so, does anyone have a clue how to get and install the homezone indicator without installing the whole O2 ROM? I would prefer to keep my device unbranded.
greetings
the Inquisitor
Even the o2 branded XDA mini S is not shipped with a homezone software. An attached sheet indicated that there will be a program in the future, let's see if o2 can do....
Meantime you can use the voice indicator, which can be switched on in the rate manager (Phone No. 1414, Menu 1 - 5)
Unbelievable! These dabblers are unable to cope anything!
I had a XDA2 for several weeks last year until I was fed up of this piece of ****:
They released a ROM update after which I couldn't restore my older backups. Then they withdrew this version and told me to downgrade to the older version which they provided on their website. That older version first deleted the old ROM, then determined, that I'm trying to downgrade and abborted therefore, causing an empty ROM.
After this I called the special XDA-hotline and explained the problem twice to four different operators, who eventually blamed me for the empty ROM. In the following weeks they sent me two more XDAs, which came both with the withdrawn ROM version, so I couldn't restore my backup again. I called them once more and told them precisely what happened before. Anyway they instructed me to downgrade again and I did it. Guess what resulted! An empty ROM! And they still continued to admit, that there is no fault on their side!
O2 Germany is totally incompetent regarding HTC-devices and now they release a smartphone that won't indicate the homezone, allthough more than 70% of their postpaid customers have chosen the "Genion" tariff for it's only advantage, the homezone!
Sorry for my offtopic writing! Anyway thanks for the information, Gnarfy!
I got me a Touch Diamond in the rounder shape of the T-Mobile MDA Compact IV. It came in a sealed box from eBay and I've used unlocking software that I also found on eBay. As it turns out, this software seems to originate from this forum.
As far as I've researched it, right after the lock was removed, the phone started sending SMS messages to the number SMS032837 each time it is reset (since I've never used this phone locked it *could* have done this already, but I doubt it). Even if I switch off the GSM radio, and then reset, the phone waits for the radio to come back on and immedately sends a message.
I have no clue to what's the message is about or whoever is the recipiant but that's not the main issue here; it should not do this, period.
ROM: 1.37.110.3
Radio: 1.20.OliNex
Protocol: 52.26a.25.09U
Anyone any idea what is going on?
TIA,
XDArjen
sorry i dont have any idea
try this steps
1-try hard reset
if not work
2- you have an old ROM so
upgrade it to the latest ROM for your country or use cooked ROM if you want
Could a program similar to RemoteTracker be installed on your Diamond ?
That would explain the SMS, as the software detects that you changed the SIM card.
yea sounds like some program like remotetracker, try flashing a new ROM, as i assume it's build into the ROM by the seller, no idea why though.
xdarjen said:
I got me a Touch Diamond in the rounder shape of the T-Mobile MDA Compact IV. It came in a sealed box from eBay and I've used unlocking software that I also found on eBay. As it turns out, this software seems to originate from this forum.
As far as I've researched it, right after the lock was removed, the phone started sending SMS messages to the number SMS032837 each time it is reset (since I've never used this phone locked it *could* have done this already, but I doubt it). Even if I switch off the GSM radio, and then reset, the phone waits for the radio to come back on and immedately sends a message.
I have no clue to what's the message is about or whoever is the recipiant but that's not the main issue here; it should not do this, period.
ROM: 1.37.110.3
Radio: 1.20.OliNex
Protocol: 52.26a.25.09U
Anyone any idea what is going on?
TIA,
XDArjen
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Hi,
I`ve got MDA Compact IV on T-Mobile UK with original ROM and Radio (I just need to) and I`ve noticed that after every re-boot it sends above mentioned by you text.
Actually, it sends 2 texts: 1st to 32837 (on the on-line bill it`s clasified as
"unbranded" and it`s free of any charge)
2nd to 100203005 (clasified as "SMS text messaging" and it is also free).
I was surprised as well, so started to investigate.
I`ve found that above texts got something to do with W`n Walk service and T-Mobile My Faves and they are like a system messages.
They are NOT using any of the tariff allowances and they are completely free.
I`m sure because I`m checking my bill very carefully every month and it is my 3rd bill since I started using Compact IV.
I think that every HTC Diamond and MDA Compact IV sends those texts when logging into GSM Networks, but not every network provider shows them on their bills. With T-Mobile it shows on My T-Mobile On-Line account, but not on any paper or electronic bill.
There is more info about the case on other forums, just "google" them numbers and you will find it.
So, DON`T PANIC, everything is in order.
P.S.
My handset is unlocked and I was using foreign SIM card with, whilst on holiday and I haven`t noticed any extra charges for above texts, nor any other problem.
Regards.
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Could a program similar to RemoteTracker be installed on your Diamond ?
That would explain the SMS, as the software detects that you changed the SIM card.
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Hey snark_be,
I'm not sure, it's a brand new T-Mobile that I got in a sealed box. The owner got it as an upgrade but didn't want it. So it came locked to T-Mobile and I had to unlock it since I'm not a T-Mobile customer.
Could T-Mobile be using this tracking method? The seller of the unlocker could have added it, I don't know, he hasn't answered my email (yet).
The SMS goes anytime the device boots, not just after inserting the SIM.
HTC ROM upgrade site rejects my serial number if I want to download a new ROM.
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yea sounds like some program like remotetracker, try flashing a new ROM, as i assume it's build into the ROM by the seller, no idea why though.
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That was the plan, but that seem's a bit of a hornet's nest. Can I assume safely that the T-Mobile is a true HTC Touch Diamond? Will I be able to return to non-brick if something doesn't work? I mean when I install Hard-SPL first (it's installed already by the unlocker, but an older version, like 1.24)?
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Hi,
I think that every HTC Diamond and MDA Compact IV sends those texts when logging into GSM Networks, but not every network provider shows them on their bills. With T-Mobile it shows on My T-Mobile On-Line account, but not on any paper or electronic bill.
Regards.
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Tom, they show up on my bill, so I have to pay for them. And my provider logs them as International calls.
I don't have the luxury of sitting idle because it make the device useless as a phone. I will peruse the forum about this matter but I was already planning upgrading the ROM as I find the device very unresponsive.
have a look in the rom section here and install a new one
xdarjen said:
That was the plan, but that seem's a bit of a hornet's nest. Can I assume safely that the T-Mobile is a true HTC Touch Diamond? Will I be able to return to non-brick if something doesn't work? I mean when I install Hard-SPL first (it's installed already by the unlocker, but an older version, like 1.24)?
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Just flash the latest HardSPL, 1.93 I think, and then head over to the Diamond Wiki and download/flash the newest WWE ROM you find (1.94 I think).
Guys i lost my diamond and so had it barred with o2, i after left o2 and upgraded to vodafone to a HD
i found my diamond in my friend cars on saturday (6 weeks later!!)
i have called o2 to unbar the phone bit they cant seem to do it as i left them and moved to vodafone. BUT vodafone cant do it because the phone was locked to o2
what can i do?????!!!!!! can anyone help with some advice?????? i can prove its my phone with receipts and well they have been trying for 1 week to unblock and are still struggling....................
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Guys i lost my diamond and so had it barred with o2, i after left o2 and upgraded to vodafone to a HD
i found my diamond in my friend cars on saturday (6 weeks later!!)
i have called o2 to unbar the phone bit they cant seem to do it as i left them and moved to vodafone. BUT vodafone cant do it because the phone was locked to o2
what can i do?????!!!!!! can anyone help with some advice?????? i can prove its my phone with receipts and well they have been trying for 1 week to unblock and are still struggling....................
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You can try a rom upgrade or use a CID Unlocker Here Or you can change your imei through registry but i aint sure how to
its already sim unlocked but i dont know if its secuirty unlocked
i emailed olipro a while a go but he didnt respond. either he or tupisdin originally unlocked it for me i cant remember as i had a dimaond previously aswell which i sold for a touch pro, then missed so bad i bought another one
would i be allowed to change imei i thought this was illegal?
il give anything a try right now. if i security unlock again and sim unlock again will this do anything? or maybe if i flash the radio or rom again maybe???? its already hardspl
man thi sis so frustrating im angry!!
o2 just called me and said "technically" they unlocked everything there end but still it wont show signal, i tried 3 different sim cards now too
something did change - it now shows the G symbol by the signal but still no signal - there is just an "!" there
anyone?
id really appreciate some help here guys
This may seem stupid and it probably is but have you tried flashing a hard reset or maybe even flashing a new radio? I don't know if it will work but I'd certainly give it a try if I was you... You never know and you've got nothing to lose...
Hi patterns,
The only way to unbar the device is by the original provider (O2).
The provider simply places a national IMEI block so that your device can't be used anymore in the UK.
The only thing to prevent the device from being barred is by change the IMEI (which is illegal), but the info to do that isn't public (and illegal).
O2 is still the only way to unbar..
hi equinoxe,
thanks - this is what o2 are trying to do, but there is some problem because i moved provider to vodafone and then didnt keep the number, so there is something stuck in transit permanently. o2 have tried 3 times now to do this and keep telling me the same thing, i dont know what to do anymore........
i called and asked if i could change imei, the guy said it would work but he cant assist - obviously as you mention this is not legal. But in saying that is it still illegal if i do it for genuine reason?
man this is so frustrating, i finally out of pure good luck find my phone and it seems useless now!
guys o2 managed to unbar the phone but now it only works on t-mobile and o2????? it wont work on orange or vodafone, any idea why?
I recently bought a Blackstone off Ebay, it arrived yesterday (Orange branded), I inserted my sim card and set everything up, i could send and receive calls and text messages and access internet etc. Then a few hours later i went out, returned to find no signal. It can find networks but will not connect to Orange.
ROM Version - 1.19.61.1 WWE
ROM Date - 11/25/08
Radio Version - 1.09.25.14
The serial number indicates it was built in 2009 week 4.
After doing a search i found a topic that suggested it had been blocked with a link to a site to do a check. I've done that and the results all came up clean.
I've tried another Orange sim card in it and its the same.
I've tried an 02 sim card in it and it works.
I've tried hard rest and soft reset.
Althought i can't access the network through orange it still lets me contact to the internet through them, sometimes!.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, I've contacted the seller (Ebay) with my problem. His feedback indicates he's sold an awful lot of these and other phones.
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I recently bought a Blackstone off Ebay, it arrived yesterday (Orange branded), I inserted my sim card and set everything up, i could send and receive calls and text messages and access internet etc. Then a few hours later i went out, returned to find no signal. It can find networks but will not connect to Orange.
ROM Version - 1.19.61.1 WWE
ROM Date - 11/25/08
Radio Version - 1.09.25.14
The serial number indicates it was built in 2009 week 4.
After doing a search i found a topic that suggested it had been blocked with a link to a site to do a check. I've done that and the results all came up clean.
I've tried another Orange sim card in it and its the same.
I've tried an 02 sim card in it and it works.
I've tried hard rest and soft reset.
Althought i can't access the network through orange it still lets me contact to the internet through them, sometimes!.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, I've contacted the seller (Ebay) with my problem. His feedback indicates he's sold an awful lot of these and other phones.
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This is not a rom related question and should be posted in other forum. Please try and abide by forum rules in future.
Try these 2 things:
1. Go to settings > connections > connection setup and select your country and operator, i.e. UK & Orange and let phone set this up automatically, see if this makes any difference.
2. Try a different radio. Available radio's can be found here. Obviously you will need either USPL or HSPL first to be able to flash any radio. Guide for flashing USPL & HSPL can be found here.
JM7 said:
I recently bought a Blackstone off Ebay, it arrived yesterday (Orange branded), I inserted my sim card and set everything up, i could send and receive calls and text messages and access internet etc. Then a few hours later i went out, returned to find no signal. It can find networks but will not connect to Orange.
ROM Version - 1.19.61.1 WWE
ROM Date - 11/25/08
Radio Version - 1.09.25.14
The serial number indicates it was built in 2009 week 4.
After doing a search i found a topic that suggested it had been blocked with a link to a site to do a check. I've done that and the results all came up clean.
I've tried another Orange sim card in it and its the same.
I've tried an 02 sim card in it and it works.
I've tried hard rest and soft reset.
Althought i can't access the network through orange it still lets me contact to the internet through them, sometimes!.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, I've contacted the seller (Ebay) with my problem. His feedback indicates he's sold an awful lot of these and other phones.
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Sounds like it's been reported lost to Orange and they've blocked it on the network. If it had been reported stolen it would have been blocked on all networks. The site you've checked it for stolen phones (which are blocked on all networks) not lost where they're just blocked on the one...
Not must help to you I know, sorry. . .
(It does happen quite a bit, some joker reports his phone lost, get a new onw and then sells the old one).
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Give Orange UK a call tell them what has happened and where you got the phone from, ask them to check and see if the phone is blocked, they would need imei Number to carry out check, if it turns out to be blocked report this back to ebay and ask for a refund.
Hello everyone.
I'm beat. I was up to silly o'clock this morning trying to get this thing working.
I purchased to unlocker from this site as I have no posts. I've tried many different roms and radios but I still get no service when I plonk in my o2 sim card.
I have a touch HD that was registered to the orange network that I bought off a friend of mine. I wanted it to work with o2 so I downloaded the unlocker program (paid for) and did all the updating and unlocking that entails.
I then tried a few different roms (even tried win 6.5 but my battrey was getting drained at a silly rate)
The problem I have is that whichever radio I get it's not working with my O2 sim card. I have the little G symbol but it keeps asking for data connection setting and the phone is showing no service. I have even tried radios from other phones with no luck. I'm on the offical htc 1,56,401,0 (43972) WEE rom at the moment and the 1.12.25.16 radio and I'm also getting the greenscreen at the load up but a quick on off fixes that.
I searched the forums but still no joy.
What do I have to do?
Please, you are my only hope.
Thanks in advance.
Do you have the right SPL? (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=431217)
I used to be Orange, had it unlocked, and am now on o2 with no problems. I use 1.17 radio but I don't think that's the issue
Tried it just now.
Thanks for the advice.
Tried the HSPL Wrapper on that thread, updated the radio to 1.17 but it's still showing no service. Any other ideas?
Thanks again.
did you try put another sim card inside the phone?
I just have O2 cards atm. Still now joy though.
I am a failure.
I've just done a cracking stew in the slow cooker. First time making dumplins. I can rebuild and format a PC in less that two hours but this thing has got me beaten. I suppose I could use it for an e-book reader.
I've now got SPL-1.56.Olnex on there with the blackstonehenge Rom.
and 1.17.25.09 radio but it still won't connect.
If anyone has any better ideas I will make them some stew and dumplins. Geographical location allowing, and if the gf lets me have friends round.
Thanks anyways.
henshu
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521206
@chg1282002
i think the OP said that they have bought this already
i used to be on orange, now on O2.
how old is the O2 simcard? i think this is the most likely cause
Yes, I already purchased the unlocker. I also tried a newer sim card that was a Christmas present. I'll nip out today and get a 99p sim card from another network. Any suggestions which would be best?
Works with vodaphone
Yes, it registers and works with a vodaphone simcard. It also works with t-mobile but I can't send or recive calls on that (mightbe a sim thing with a need to top up or something) But a new o2 PAYG sim card and my old one still bringing up no service.
Anyone got any suggestions about any manual settings I can do?
Cheers,
henshu
henshu said:
Yes, it registers and works with a vodaphone simcard. It also works with t-mobile but I can't send or recive calls on that (mightbe a sim thing with a need to top up or something) But a new o2 PAYG sim card and my old one still bringing up no service.
Anyone got any suggestions about any manual settings I can do?
Cheers,
henshu
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Your operator does have any rom for Touch HD on their site? If it does, try it and see if it works.
Also read this page, seems to be an O2 rom for Blackstone devices http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_Versions .
This page may be usefull too http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444170
henshu said:
Yes, it registers and works with a vodaphone simcard. It also works with t-mobile but I can't send or recive calls on that (mightbe a sim thing with a need to top up or something) But a new o2 PAYG sim card and my old one still bringing up no service.
Anyone got any suggestions about any manual settings I can do?
Cheers,
henshu
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Hi henshu. Have you tried checking your band settings. Make sure they all are set to Auto. Tap on phone then options then band.