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How to remap Tilt Push To Talk button

This will drive me crazy. I have had the button above the volume mapped to Voice Command ever since I can remember. Now for the Tilt, it is mapped to Push to talk which I will never, ever use and the button mapping does not allow you to reassign it. Does anyone know if this is possible with any of the button manager programs? Do I need to flash the Kaiser ROM for this?
Also, the 8125 had a feature where you held this button down and it would swap the sound over to vibrate. If anyone knows how to get this working on the Kaiser, I highly recommend it. Beats having to pull the phone out of the holster/case to silence it, especially in a meeting.

Search for the answer.... It is here.

tried searching on push to talk. searching on buttons brings back a ton of results, none of which are specific to this particular problem. any suggestions on where to search and for what term or phrase?
Update, I found one... over in the hermes forum. This would be a good addition to the cab list sticky now that more folks are getting the AT&T ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279585&highlight=push+to+talk+map
I'll update after I have tried it on the Tilt

PTTFix work fine per the tread reference above but even though it allows you to assign a program to press and hold, there is no program "per se" to enact the vibrate setting. I do see this option on the HTC Home Screen though so maybe it is possible to create a shortcut in the Program Files directory and call it indirectly. I'll try this later when I have some time, but if anyone else gets to it first, please do share. TIA

this will do it for you.

I was never a fan of PTT anyway... Thanks for the CAB Tim. Works like a charm. For those curious, the option to select Vibra switch will be found under Settings > Buttons. Remap Button 6 to Vibra (Switch).

Spoke too soon. The PTTFix cab showed the buttons under the setting window, but after setting them, it still brought up the PTT screen. I though perhaps it needed a soft reset, and after doing so the ability to remap the PTT button disappeared.
isdereks, did you try this on the Tilt or the Kaiser? I am thinking the latter, since the PTTFix.cab shows the PTT button as a second button 5. Perhaps this is part of the problem of why it looks like it allows the setting, but doesn't actually work.
Bummer. I am quite disappointed. On top of all the bloatware, you get a button that launches an app that immediately errors out as I am not a PTT subscriber. HTC and MS should be pissed that AT&T is making the iPhone look like a clear winner. Pretty soon Apple will be running comercials with the big bloated guy for the iPhone too.

Sorry forgot to mention that I did this on the Kaiser.

yeah the new PTTFix did not work on my tilt, but worked great on my 8525. I hope this gets updated for the tilt.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334759

yeah tried all that and the reg settings do not stay after phone is shut down.

Worked for me. You have to read the whole post.
For my own purposes as well, here are the consolidated steps to take. Until someone improves on this, I keep all this stuff in a directory so I can reconfigure my device as necessary. Here goes...
I think the trick is the PTT settings take precedence when the device boots up so delete the PTT registry settings under HKLM/Services/PTT. Delete the whole sub tree, then
From HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Keys
Add a new key called "40C6"
Add a string under the key called "Name" with the value "Button 6"
Add a new key called "40C7"
Add a string under this key called "Name" with the value "Button 6 (hold)"
(Note, do not enter the quotes, thare are to delimit what belongs in the registry entry)
Go to the Buttons settings and assign a program to the new entries. I di Voice Dial and Vibra (Switch) from the link earlier in the this post.
Do a soft reset which will remove the PTT settings from the buffer and enable your key changes.
Thanks for all the help.
I'd say the only caveat is if you some day want to use the PTT features, it would be a good idea to take an inventory fo what is under the PTT node in the registry.

It worked "GREAT". Thanks and so easy even I could do it

Instead of deleting the "PTT" key, i suggest simply renaming it to "PTTbak". That way you can just rename it back to "PTT" if you ever need to use it.
Thats what i did, and it works fine.
BTW, excellent work everyone. After upgrading to the tilt from the 8525 i lost 2 side buttons (comm manager button and the PTT button)... now i've got at least one back!

Maybe someone could offer a suggestion. For the life of me, I cannot get the reg entries of 40C6 and 40C7 to stick. I am using PHM Registry Editor. I am powering down and back up. Anyone have any suggestions?

Gator5000e said:
Maybe someone could offer a suggestion. For the life of me, I cannot get the reg entries of 40C6 and 40C7 to stick. I am using PHM Registry Editor. I am powering down and back up. Anyone have any suggestions?
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did you delete the ptt key? (or at least rename as was suggested above?)
if you did try using the phone for while after you make the registry changes - run some other programs - then power down
greg

Greg, I renamed it and then nothing would happen. no button map and no PTT action. I am about ready to give up. But I will try your suggestions. Thanks.

NOw I got the PTT action back (the PTT screen pops up) but I cannot get the the button to do anything. I made the hold vibra and the direct push VC. Now nothing happens. Not sure what I did wrong. Not a noob at reg edits and I don't see anything wrong.
Oh well, not that big a deal, but am still open for more suggestions.

i tried renaming the PTT registry key and it didnt work. actually deleting it worked.

REG PTT
After doing the reg posted above the PTT button is free but you will notice after you push it, before the new app assigned to it pops up you will see the ptt screen for a second. What if the phone things you are using the ptt function and not Voice command or Viigo like I am?

Remap softkey buttons?

I've seen people talk about remapping most of the other keys, but not these. Since I'm now on WM Pro, I've found I don't use these buttons at all... I always just use the touchscreen. Since we're always hurting for hard keys, any way to remap these to something useful?

Registry edits to change soft keys applications:
Change the program opened by the Left soft key: (I've shown the current setting):
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Today\Keys\112\Open = "\Windows\Calendar.exe" (include the quotes)
To change the title of the Left soft key: (again, current setting shown):
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Today\Keys\112\ = Calendar (no quotes)
The right soft key is the same pattern except the key number is 113 and it may not exist - you may have to create it.

I installed the following cab and it worked great. Once installed you can change the soft keys from Start-->Settings-->Personal-->Soft Key
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279544

Thanks... I was just coming back to post that I ended up installing AE Button Plus to handle this. I would have been completely happy with the solution you posted, so thanks! But I've spent the past hour finding all kinds of handy thing to assign with the single, double, triple, and press hold options.

is there a plugin that will display the programs in the program folder as a list?
(sorry, posted in the wrong place. ignore!)

I suffer from fat finger disorder as well and usually hit send too fast.
Which version of AEBplus do you need? Can it be done with the freeware version?

Yes, the freeware version works... just has a nag screen when you boot the phone.

The free version (1.01) doesnt have settings for the soft keys....
I guess you have to buy it

I'm sorry, I'm using the "trial" version. But I've not seen anything about it being a time limited trial, only that it has the nag screen and lacks the Action list:
What is the difference between trial and registered version?
Two things only:
Splash screen appears during device starting up.
"Action list" is blocked in trial mode
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Hi, I'm using Toshiba G900 with WM6 and I have the folder
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Today\Keys\113\ but it is empty. What kind of register should I create - "String Value", "MultiString Value", "DWORD Value" or "Binary Value". What the name of the register should be? Is there other regs that must be created to do the job? Thank you in advance!

SanyoL said:
Hi, I'm using Toshiba G900 with WM6 and I have the folder
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Today\Keys\113\ but it is empty. What kind of register should I create - "String Value", "MultiString Value", "DWORD Value" or "Binary Value". What the name of the register should be? Is there other regs that must be created to do the job? Thank you in advance!
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Is that a kaiser?

No, it is Toshiba G900 with WM6.

SanyoL said:
No, it is Toshiba G900 with WM6.
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OK well this forum is for the HTC Tytn 2, AKA Kaiser, AKA Tilt (not tilt 2)..

Tilt keyboard and Fn+Space function

Hi,
I just got a new Tilt (unlocked of course!), and after using it for a few days I noticed that there is no easy way to type (with hardware keyboard) symbols as it is posible with HTC phones. I mean in HTP branded phones, if you press Fn+Space you can switch between diferent international characteres, but on the tilt that does not work. Any one know how to get the tilt to behabe like the other Kaisers?...
Thanks...
BTW... I have been looking everywhere with no luck, hope someone has a solution...

Exactly my problem. The Tilt works great, but this little problem I also want to fix.
I've founded here the German Input Cab. Yes, that fixes the vowel problem. But then EVERYthing from a german input is given, what means that very many signs you get by pressing function and a button are switched. What I of course do not want. ;-)
So, the best would be to somehow only get an easy access to the vowels.

In the Windows folder there is a file called sym.txt (sym.0415.txt?) in which you have symbols that are written when you press Fn+space.
If you install SDKcerts.cab (maybe some other programs would also help) you can edit/overwrite this file so that it suits your needs.

Master_H, so you where able to have the tilt recognize the Fn+Space?... please let me know how you did it... that is exactly what I'm trying to solve... you mention German Input Cab, with that did you where able to make Fn+Space work?... Thanks!

jfgarciamex, yes, I was able to have the tilt recognize the Fn+Space, with the German Input Cab. But then everything from the German keyboard was taken. When you have a qwerty you will not be happy with this. Like me.
milujciesie, thanks for your hint, that works. You can also do this with other text editors.
My problem now is, that my hardware keyboard doesn't react correctly anymore when I press Fn+Sym. Then just the normal virtual keyboard pops up but not anymore the symbols. I've searched already but couldn't find it: Does someone have the normal (AT&T) input cab? Thanks a lot!

has anyone found a solution? This is driving me crazy. I type a lot in Spanish and I can't get the right characters unless I go into symbols, which is a real pain!

No, I still have no satisfying solution. There are only two options:
- qwerty with a cab that allows quick access to the vowels etc.
- a new keyboard mat with qwertz for german / the fitting one for spanish.
Option 1 would be the best. Isn't there anybody out here who can help us?

Try Tilt keyboard Fix .... search for it
The cab file is almost 6 months old!

yes, dwny, and I know this fix already since I have my Tilt. But that doesn't solve my problem. With the german cab (for qwertz) you can press "a", "Fn" and "Space" and you get an "ä". That's what I want.

i guess nobody types with accents among developers...hehe
My keyboard works well...just missing the Fn+Space combination. I'm wondering if that could be that the sym.txt file is missing? Will search the windows directory and report back..
EDIT 1: I went back and installed the original ATT Rom. Well...it just happens this one doesn't have the Fn+Space combination working either! You just get space. So I see two options: have a non Cingular/ATT layout and be able to use Fn+Space (and go guessing were each of the Fn Characters are), or have the Cingular/ATT layout and have everything work fine, but not be able to put any accents.
I guess someone smarter than most should be able to come up with a new layout...

Solution
You will just have to adapt the file sym.409 und Device\Windows. You just can put behind the letter (f.ex a) what special sign you want in which order (by pressing fn space).
F.ex. for letter a
aäàâ ...
If you need a sym.409 file for a german qwertz keyboard, let me know.
By the way. Your cannot change it through the handy, as the file is signed. You will need to modifiy it and the copy it with totalcommander or gsfinder to the windows directory.
Regards
koumala

I had this problem with my french keyboard, and i found on this forum the right cab which fixed the problem for me
The thread i used was the following one : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345426
Have a look and try, the french cab worked for me while others failed, maybe the spanish cab will solve your problem
ps to tech: mooooo

koumala said:
You will just have to adapt the file sym.409 und Device\Windows. You just can put behind the letter (f.ex a) what special sign you want in which order (by pressing fn space).
F.ex. for letter a
aäàâ ...
If you need a sym.409 file for a german qwertz keyboard, let me know.
By the way. Your cannot change it through the handy, as the file is signed. You will need to modifiy it and the copy it with totalcommander or gsfinder to the windows directory.
Regards
koumala
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Koumala, problem is a different one. You either use the ATT TILT layout with all the FN keys working fine but the FN+Space combination, or, you use a different layout (e.g. English) where the FN+Space combination works, but most FN key are mapped incorrectly. Your proposal to change the sym049.txt file assumes the FN+Space combination works. But that's precisely what we're trying to solve.

jfgarciamex said:
Hi,
I just got a new Tilt (unlocked of course!), and after using it for a few days I noticed that there is no easy way to type (with hardware keyboard) symbols as it is posible with HTC phones. I mean in HTP branded phones, if you press Fn+Space you can switch between diferent international characteres, but on the tilt that does not work. Any one know how to get the tilt to behabe like the other Kaisers?...
Thanks...
BTW... I have been looking everywhere with no luck, hope someone has a solution...
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If I understand correctly (which I think I do) this is the solution to your problem:
Disable XT9 (KaiserTweak, or directly via your registry), soft reset, et voila..
Fn+Space is back to its old self

Disabling XT9 won't fix the problem. I don't even HAVE XT9 on my phone, and Fn+Space doesn't work.
Furthermore, the sym.0409.txt file in the \Windows folder ALREADY has all the symbols that should be possible using Fn+Space, but they don't work!
I'm also interested in some way to get this to work without losing my other symbol keys, 99% of the time, I'm writing in English, but as santiargy said, that 1% of the time I write in Spanish sucks because I have to go into the symbol pad to get any writing that makes sense done!

Try MagiKB Lite
rjlynn said:
Disabling XT9 won't fix the problem. I don't even HAVE XT9 on my phone, and Fn+Space doesn't work.
Furthermore, the sym.0409.txt file in the \Windows folder ALREADY has all the symbols that should be possible using Fn+Space, but they don't work!
I'm also interested in some way to get this to work without losing my other symbol keys, 99% of the time, I'm writing in English, but as santiargy said, that 1% of the time I write in Spanish sucks because I have to go into the symbol pad to get any writing that makes sense done!
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You are correct - disabling xT9 is not the answer.
Here is one fix - MagiKB Lite. With this keyboard extender, "You can assign up to 4 additional letters to one key, greatly extend its functions". By pressing and holding any key, you can cycle through all letters or symbols assigned to a key, and you can customize the available options for each key, just like sym.txt did for Wizard (and Hermes I think).
I use MagiKB Lite to have ([{ and }]) assigned to their respective keys, en-dash and em-dash added to the hyphen key, backslash added to the forward slash key, and on and on.
For Spanish, you can have n-tilda assigned to n, etc.
I hope this may be a good answer for you.
I am attaching my personal custom layout for the Tilt - you can easily edit it within MagiKBLite to add your Spanish letters.
Remove the .txt from the file, and place it in \MyDocuments\MagiKB Lite. There is also a Treo750v.lay file that you can look at to see how the custom keyboard files are constructed.

for a spanish qwertz keyboard
do you have a sym.409 file for a spanish qwertz keyboard please?
thank you a lot
koumala said:
You will just have to adapt the file sym.409 und Device\Windows. You just can put behind the letter (f.ex a) what special sign you want in which order (by pressing fn space).
F.ex. for letter a
aäàâ ...
If you need a sym.409 file for a german qwertz keyboard, let me know.
By the way. Your cannot change it through the handy, as the file is signed. You will need to modifiy it and the copy it with totalcommander or gsfinder to the windows directory.
Regards
koumala
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Key Caps

Not sure where exactly a post like this should go.
Anyway I have been looking all over the place for an application like this
http://www.geekandproud.net/software/keycaps600.php
For a kaiser. More specifically an ATT TILT keyboard layout.
Pretty much what it does is, if you hit the hard keyboard button once it acts normal. If you hit it twice (quickly) it does whatever function + that key would be. And if you press and hold it, it capitalizes the letter for you.
I had this on all my Treos, and it was the best thing ever.
I searched and found one application that says it can do 4 things per key, but after further investigation it seems like you can only map apps to the keys and specific macros made by the dev.
Anyone ever see an application like this for a TILT?

Bjd223 said:
Not sure where exactly a post like this should go.
Anyway I have been looking all over the place for an application like this
http://www.geekandproud.net/software/keycaps600.php
For a kaiser. More specifically an ATT TILT keyboard layout.
Pretty much what it does is, if you hit the hard keyboard button once it acts normal. If you hit it twice (quickly) it does whatever function + that key would be. And if you press and hold it, it capitalizes the letter for you.
I had this on all my Treos, and it was the best thing ever.
I searched and found one application that says it can do 4 things per key, but after further investigation it seems like you can only map apps to the keys and specific macros made by the dev.
Anyone ever see an application like this for a TILT?
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Not sure if it your s/w is different, mines a Vodafone v1615, if you press the Cap button quickly twice the cap light will stay lit and text will be in caps until you press the caps button a 3rd time to cancel it, if that is what your asking?

You are right you can use the fn, caps, and shift keys. However if I am typing anything that has any sort of capitals that are not at the start of words, it slows my typing down a lot. Always moving back to the fucntion key. I can type prolly 1/3 faster on my treo, then on my tytn II.

Multiple keyboard key assignments
Bjd223 said:
You are right you can use the fn, caps, and shift keys. However if I am typing anything that has any sort of capitals that are not at the start of words, it slows my typing down a lot. Always moving back to the fucntion key. I can type prolly 1/3 faster on my treo, then on my tytn II.
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Get MagiKBLite. You can make your own key assignments. There is a Treo layout included, you can learn how to set up your own by looking at that. I have made a Tilt keyboard assignment layout, if you'd like to try it, then customize as you wish.

Thanks, that looks like exatcly what I was looking for.

using a hex editor to modify a rom

I downloaded a hex editor and a rom and loaded the rom onto the hex editor.
But that kind of stuff is far above me.
I'm trying to edit the keyboard mapping, i need to switch some keys around.
I have the tilt, i would really like someone experienced to help me with this because my keyboard is basically useless right now, and ill have to buy a new phone if i cant fix it.

is there not a cab file to change from the tilt to the keyboard mapping you require?

The answer is...(drum roll please)..YES!
use the forum search option for "tilt keyboard fix" and you will be pleasantly surprised.
plz remember that unlike your girlfriend search will always be there for you. ;-)

chrisrc1985 said:
The answer is...(drum roll please)..YES!
use the forum search option for "tilt keyboard fix" and you will be pleasantly surprised.
plz remember that unlike your girlfriend search will always be there for you. ;-)
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lol i know theres that fix i just wasnt sure if it was tilt to kaiser one he required lol

no its not the keyboard fix i know about that. My issue is unique, i need to remap some of my letters. I'm fairly certain the issue involves modifiying a rom, it doesn't matter which, and to do this i would have to use a hex editor.

sNowMaN432 said:
no its not the keyboard fix i know about that. My issue is unique, i need to remap some of my letters. I'm fairly certain the issue involves modifiying a rom, it doesn't matter which, and to do this i would have to use a hex editor.
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what keys do you need to remap and maybe someone will know a fix.

ok my k,n, i m, and period keys are unresponsive. this is a hardware issue, ill explain further if u want. this makes the keyboard quite useless without these keys functioning.
I never use my arrow keys so I would like to map each faulty letter key (K,n,i,n,.) to a corresponding arrow, and maybe the "ok" or "tab" button.
basically when i press left arrow, the letter p would pop up...etc
i would be truly gratified if u guys helped me fix this, because ill get a cheap unbreakable phone if the tilt wont fully work. Its been really frustrating,

how old is your kaiser?
do you have a warranty on it still?
could be easier to have it replaced.

well thats where i mentioned i could go into depth further. I cracked my screen, and replaced it myself. In the process I accidently nicked the side of the ribbon wire connecting the keyboard to the main unit. This resulted in those 5 keys becoming unresponsive.
I got the phone about 6 months ago, but the warranty was voided when i took the phone apart to replace the screen.

AE Button Mapper use google..... "Not AE Button Plus"

ok i downloaded it and got it installed but i have no clue how to use it.
theres some buttons to reassign keys however u have to press the key you want to reassign and that it not possible being that those keys are disconnected.

ok little update, i think the AEK program will work, however the first step is it has to create a chart by logging all the keys. You have to press all the keys individually and it logs them with a four digit number. For example pressing the letter "d" logs key 0044. Once all the keys are logged you can type them up in a text document and mix and match accordingly.
My obstacle is that i cannot press my keys that are unresponsive, for them to be logged. I tried to find a pattern by pressing keys around these and saw nothing that made any sense.
I'm not sure if the numerical values attached are standard for every application in the phone, or specific to the AEK program. I can't find a thread, that would list the value for those letters i can't press.
Does anyone know if there is a chart with all the values assigned to each key of the tilt?

Snowman, give me a link to this AEK program and I'll use it to log all my keys on my tilt, then perhaps we can compare them to what you have and hopefully get the missing codes for you

Moved to General.
Hex Editing a ROM file won't get what you need. I've seen people trying to patch the keyboard driver for this, but no success. Sorry, couldn't be more help .
Dave

thankyouthankyou
its
http://ae.inc.ru/aekmap.php
the download link is in the top right hand corner
i downloaded the full version

sNowMaN432 said:
ok my k,n, i m, and period keys are unresponsive. this is a hardware issue, ill explain further if u want. this makes the keyboard quite useless without these keys functioning.
I never use my arrow keys so I would like to map each faulty letter key (K,n,i,n,.) to a corresponding arrow, and maybe the "ok" or "tab" button.
basically when i press left arrow, the letter p would pop up...etc
i would be truly gratified if u guys helped me fix this, because ill get a cheap unbreakable phone if the tilt wont fully work. Its been really frustrating,
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ok (keyboard) = 0875
tab = ? (wont let my use tab)
k = 004B
n = 004E
i = 0049
, = 00BC (keep in mind this is pressed by pushing the FN button and arrow left)
. = 00BE
start menu (keyboard) = 085B