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I have the HTC branded P3600 unlocked.
I tried out both LVSW's cooked ROM and the latest Dopod D810 ROM. Both are excelllent updates, but turned out not to be right for me. Thought I'd share in case this is useful to anyone else.
I am in an area of Los Angeles in the US which still does not yet have 3G. I also don't personally need the GPS feature. I am fine with an ordinary map and I need my battery life for phone and email. That is just my personal preference.
Anyway, in my case, I found three pitfalls with the new ROMs.
1. The phone got hotter and used more battery. I assume that the GPS was trying to do its thing even though I wasn't actually using it.
2. Signal can be sketchy at my home. The HTC P3600 has been the first PDA phone to give me a full strength signal here, on a par with a standard cell phone. But with the new ROMs my full bar strength fell in half. I assume this is to do with further optimizations for 3G which, unfortunately, currently give me no benefit. Anyhow, I got weaker GPRS/EDGE and weaker GSM.
3. The Dopod ROM (and LVSW cooked variant - which is a very nice job BTW) have significantly different ActiveSync/Direct Push settings. The Heartbeat Increments and other related settings are quite different. This was not good for my Exchange service and Push Mail. I started getting my mail at about 5 minute intervals, not right away. Some kind of timeout going on I guess. Of course, I was able to dip into the registry and make adjustments, but with my lower EDGE signal, things still were not working quite as well.
Bottom line: I went back to the Official HTC P3600 ROM (fortunately I had saved it before it had to be removed from the XDA-Dev FTP site. (HTC do not provide even the original ROM to customers at this time). There was no problem going back. So no harm, no foul.
I did save the HTC Task Manager application and added it back in. Nice addition, missing from the original HTC version. So it was definitely worth trying the new ROMs all in all.
Obviously, the issue here is that my local Network is lacking - the new ROMs are good. But the fact remained the original ROM gives me much better performance here, particularly battery life, signal strength and more reliable Direct Push.
Sorry for the unrelated post, but I needed some help after reading your post.
I am also in the Los Angeles area (OC) with T-Mobile.
I got an unlocked trinity about 2 months ago. It has worked very well, except I do not seem to be able to connect to Edge. Your post seemed to indicate that you have been able to connect to it.
Can you please tell me how I can make that happen?
Also, which GPS software would you recommend for Southern California, if I chose to enable the GPS hardware on my machine.
Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks
Hi Kewlphone! I think (hope!) you are actually getting Edge. For some reason the HTC P3600 simply displays the G symbol even when you are getting Edge. To be fair I think Edge is just an upgraded form of GPRS. Actually if you install the Dopod ROM it does give you the E symbol. There may well be a registry tweak to show an E, but I just don't know it.
There are no special settings needed. I just connect to wap.voicestream.com.
internet2.voicestream.com also works with my Internet plan, but I prefer to connect the first one as it also is the right one for picture messaging. Also you want to have T-Mobile Internet, not just the T-Mobile Web plan (formery t-zones) which is restricted to sites for phones and does not allow full Internet access or downloading attachments.
T-Mobile just tightened up their protocols dues to a cheat some people had been using to get full access out of the Web plan. This temporarily messed up my Internet access but tech support reprovisioned my account as I pay for the full Internet plan.
First off, I suggest you check your actual download speeds using
http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1
It is speed test specially for Mobile devices. If you get around 30 to 40 kbps ish that is standard GPRS. Edge should be around 100 to 120 ish in practice. Obviously it varies a lot by time of day, location etc.
There is also a registry tweak I found that may help download speed. You need a registry editor like Total Commander available from ghisler.com (You would want to download the 2.5 beta version for WM5. It is free).
The registry setting involved determines how much data the device will accept in a chunk.
HKLM\Comm\Tcpip\Parms\TcpWindowSize
If your device has this parameter set to less than 65536 change it to this amount. This helped me get consisitent Edge speeds. I am not aware of any harm that will be done be setting it higher still, other than you may need to set it back again if it doesn't work right!
Sorry, I have no experience with GPS software. The program people mention generally is Tom Tom. I believe this is the defacto choice for many people and it is made for many different devices. I am sure the company has a web site. If not I am sure it is available at places like mobileplanet.com.
Please bear in mind that we people using this site (XDA-dev) are enthusiasts who like to tweak and customize our phones. It is not our objective to help ourselves to free software, only to get the most out of the devices and the built-in software we have already paid for... I don't mean to suggest you are looking for any free downloads and you certainly did not imply that. I am just conscious there has just been an issue with Microsoft objecting to some of the downloads on this site so we need to be careful to keep things absolutely clearly legit. Tom Tom is a commericial product not included with the P3600 and will need to be purchased separately.
HTH
I am also in LA (West side.) Here is my experience:
I use LVSW's ROM and get 3G (Cingular.) Just tested a 1MB file download from the dslreports link above and got 642kbit/sec. There are some areas in town where it goes to E (for EDGE,) but at least in my case it's not too often (it went to E yesterday in the Custom's area at LAX, but to be honest, I was just happy to get signal there
The GPS works great. I don't really use it here, because I have built-in ones in my cars, but it is very handy when travelling.
I also don't use Cingular's push mail, but use my POP3 mail account, and have set the Trinity to check it every 15 minutes, which works fine for me.
642kbps?? WOW! Excuse me while a turn as green as the HTC theme with envy! That is intersting for me as I am also on LA's west side. BTW I concur about reception inside LAX customs area. Just being able to make a regular call from there is a feat! Hardly a concern that your data merely dropped to Edge speed!
I had been considering switching to Cingular to get 3G, although both where I live and where I work are both actually just off the official 3G map at the moment.... Switching would also just about double my bill, and put me back in a contract. So I am holding out till 3G coverage settles down a bit more. Looks like T-Mobile are finally going to 3G here, though that may still take many months...
Do Cingular even offer there own Push Mail? I was under the impression that their Xpress mail service retreives mail something like the T-Mobile equivilent (15 minutes intervals) I use Direct Push from my Exchange account so it requires only the Data connection, nothing else carrier specific.
Sorry, I am getting way off topic. This is not carrier comparision forum!
The relevant point is that it is good to know that the LVSW ROMs seems like the best for people in the USA too, assuming your carrier has 3G and especially if you use GPS. My situation sounds like the exception and will likely be transitory anyway.
BTW MacGuy2006, I think kewlphone might appreciate your advice on GPS software. Sounds like you have quite a bit of experience with it.
Thanks for the info I might join you on Cingular yet! I also think we may soon see even more ROM magic from our friend LVSW too!
Yeah, I am sort of satisfied with Cingular, and really do like 3G, which finally makes PDA Internet use a possibility for me (I can read the wires if I am stuck somewhere They refer to "push-mail," but I have not tried it, so I don't know if it's instantaneous or not.
As to GPS software, I use TomTom 6, which is generally fine and has a broad range of maps. I kind of like the design of Navigon 6 a bit better (http://www.navigon.com/site/us/en/mobile_navigation/pda/screenshots,) but have not seen it in action.
As an aside, yesterday I installed the 1.38.00.11 radio ROM lurking here, and my 3G speeds never exceeded the mid-400s. It may have been a fluke, but I went back to 1.35 and clocked in the mid-700
Thanks for sharing that info. Just to check, do you find you are able to up and downgrade just the Radio ROMs without a hard reset? TIA
I'm using the Dopod Rom with the 1.38 radio upgrade. As expected, the battery life is significantly reduced with the GPS enabled (using TomTom6), but overall I really like the fact that my phone can basically do anything now.
I think it might have more difficulty picking up signals now than it did with the original HTC rom. When I'm in my home office, I really don't get any signal at all now, which my plethora of computer equipment doesn't help, but the phone shows a solid four bars when I'm at work, and it connects to Edge very fast there too.
I tried both TomTom 6.02 and 6.03, and 6.03 is definitely better. It automatically knows to use the built-in GPS receiver (You don't have to select NMEA, COM 9), and it grabs the signal faster. Unfortunately I couldn't get the maps activated for 6.03, but they don't have any problem with 6.02, so I'm stuck with it.
I'm definitely looking forward to upgrading to WM6. Woot!
-John
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Thanks for sharing that info. Just to check, do you find you are able to up and downgrade just the Radio ROMs without a hard reset? TIA
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No, I backed up, reinstalled the LVSW ROM and restored
Hi flamingcrumb,
Thank you for your detailed response.
I have the full t-mo web plan, but have specifically taken access to internet3.voicestream.com becuase of VPN access needs.
I ran a speed test on my device and it shows 39 kbps. That tells me it is a regular GPRS connection. Do you know of any areas in the region where Edge is available? Sounds like westside may be one.
As far as GPS software goes, I was looking for recommendations based on availability and correctness of maps for southern cal. I had purchased and used Ostia in the past, however I did not like either the interface or stability.
Thanks
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... As far as GPS software goes, I was looking for recommendations based on availability and correctness of maps for southern cal....
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You can compare maps here: http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=53419
AFAIK, TomTom uses Tele Atlas maps, which are fine (but I had one problem finding a a street in Orange County.) Navigon, I believe, uses Navteq maps, which I think of as more accurate (one of mine built-in navigation systems uses Navteq maps, and it has never lied to me
I appreciate the helpful posts on using GPS and the various software options. Good to know. Nothing I can add, you good people all know way more than I do, I don't see reduced battery life with GPS as a "fault" in any way - just a law of physics. For example, if I had my phone on for web browsing all the time at full brightness and used bluetooth plus wireless non-stop, the battery is going to run down faster. That's fair enough. I did notice there seemed to be a little bit of more drain with the GPS ROMs even with GPS inactive. I wonder if it ticks away in the background ready for use? It does certainly seem that enabling additional features might be reducing standard GSM sgnal strength. My feeling is that a little bit of internal radio interference might be a reasonable thing to expect. The Trinity has goodness how many radios? 4 bands of GSM, 3 Bands of w/CDMA, BlueTooth, WiFi, GPS... all in a device the size of deck of cards. Again, the laws of physics may simply apply.
The bottom line I get from this is there is unlikely to be a benefit in upgrading to a ROM which provides features I am not accessing. That doesn't mean the new ROMs are anything less than great, just not of benefit with my carrier in my location at this moment.
kewlphone, I definitely think you should be getting Edge speeds everywhere in the Los Angeles and Orange County areas, without even doing any tweaks. Bear in mind the standard HTC P3600 ROM always seems to just show the G, the key test is the speed not the symbol. But the speed you describe is not Edge. It will vary by time of day and location etc, so it is worth repeating the test quite a few times. You defintely should be seeing at least 100k when you have a full signal strength in urban areas, especially at off-peak hours... at least some of the time! I think you should call Customer Support and ask for a data specialist and talk it over with them. Perhaps they can reset your data account or help in some way. The positive spin I always go for to keep them on my side even though I have an unsupported phone is by explaining I am a loyal customer but the phones they offer don't meet my needs at present. So I am using my own phone because otherwise I would have to switch to another carrier and I don't want to "because you guys are so great" etc etc. In a few months there will be more T-Mobile phones available and I will be getting one. In the meantime I need to make things work so I can stay with T-Mobile. This is a semi-truth and but greatly overstates my loyalty, which is really only limited to the killer deal I get on a huge bucket of minutes (and is being serverely tested by their lagging in the 3G...) but it is a positive spin to give them a good reason to help me even though my phone is unsupported.
BTW I describe the Trinity as being most like the MDA but a generation or two on. If you get a decent data technician the chances are good they will know what you are talking about and will also be well away of T-Mo's limitations themselves. Chances are good they will do their best to help.
A place that might be helpful and more appropriate for discussing US carrier issues is howardforums dot com. They also have a Wiki which is quite useful. Obviously the XDA-Dev forum is for the tech stuff and tweaking to the the max! I think I have the same user name on howardforums so maybe we can find a good thread for trouble shooting our carrier stuff over there. Don't think I have actually posted yet but I will do as I ultimately need to decide whether to stick with T-Mo or jump to Cingy/ATT. If you register with the same name it will be easy for me spot you on their board. All the best. Please let me know about your progress
Sorry to bump this thread when it is probably only of interest to a small number of people - perhaps mostly in L.A. on T-Mo.
Quick update: I must confess that I caved in and have switched to Cingy/ATT. Much better signal strength where I live, even just on EDGE. I don't like their sky high rates or customer service all that much, plus their data plans are a riduculously complicated mess of choices... but they do have a lot of 3G and much better coverage in my location...oh well. Also feel like it will still surely take T-Mo a lot of time to deploy their own 3G... and I can always go back later!
Anyway, it now really made sense for me to upgrade my ROM. I have also been trying out GPS, just wih the free Google Maps for the monent as a little taster test! Pretty cool though
Another really big reason I gave up on the standard ROM was that I kept having the age old issue of my reminders not sounding and could cure only it with a hard reset each time. It has yet to be seen if the updated ROM helps or not. I realize the non-sounding reminders issue is a well known Windows Mobile problem, but it was happening every couple of weeks rather than once in a while. Anyone got any thoughts on this please???
The reminders issue is probably my biggest factor in picking a ROM and there is no obvious way of choosing between the HTC/LVSW/Dopod options other than trying them all. I cling to av ague hope someone might have already been through this one...
Oh, BTW I am using LVSW 1.24.0.0 with Radio 1.33.00.11
TIA
You only need the $19.99 unlimited media works plan to take advantage of 3G. Cingular will tell you that you must have the $49.99 pda plan but you do not, trust me I use my trinity with the media works plan and I use 3G perfect usually around 350kbs, for streaming video.
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You only need the $19.99 unlimited media works plan to take advantage of 3G. Cingular will tell you that you must have the $49.99 pda plan but you do not, trust me I use my trinity with the media works plan and I use 3G perfect usually around 350kbs, for streaming video.
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same here...i'm using the unlimited $19.99 plan and i also use my phone for internet sharing with my laptop (e.g., phone as a modem).
Thanks good people. I had noticed that the MEdia Net plans seems to do the job (without restriction if the proxy is not used) but could not be sure if that was a lucky fluke or that is how it is...
Good to hear the definite facts from people with solid experience.... and I much appreciate it.
Coming in, I do really think the Cingy data plans are a confusing mess... I would imagine the average Joe or Jane walking into a phone store could feel overwhelmed. I think they should simplify the plans... but what do I know? (Not much, I admit!)
While we are talking Trinty and Cingular may I ask which ROM people feel is best for stabilty right now? I was having that prob with reminders not sounding... an old issue, but much worse than usual! Any guidance would be welcomed.
Best
P.S. turcomora, when you mention Streaming Video are you talking Cingy Video>...? I have been following the threads but still can't get that to work. Or are you refering to something else, like the Streaming Media application (which I have yet to figure out a use for!) Either way I would be most interested. Thanks again and B4N
Hi everyone,
I don't know if you have heard of Navizon yet, but it's a great way to earn money by using your phone whilst travelling around with your GPS and Wifi switched on.
Navizon is a wireless positioning system that works a little bit like a GPS, only that it uses Cellular Towers and Wifi access points instead of satellites. In addition to being a wireless position system, Navizon lets you earn money by using the Navizon reward system.
Your phone maps the location of Wifi points and Cell Towers then sends them to Navizon. They give you points for each one you find and 10,000 points = $10 (It sounds like a lot of points BUT they build up really quick, especially if you are mapping areas that nobody else has done yet as you get more points for new areas!)
If you're interested all you need to do is register with Navizon HERE (this is my referral link - by using it to register I get some referral points at no cost to you ) then install the software on your phone from HERE and get Navizon connected to your GPS. Every Wifi access points that you pass, every cell tower that you log will earn you money.
When you have a) registered and b) installed the software - you can make sure it all works ok by loading up Navizon and checking the settings:
Goto Menu>Options> and scroll left to see the GPS tab.
On the GPS tab set the following:
GPS: COM4: (ActiveDevice)
Baud Rate: 4800 (9600 on Tilts/Kaisers is best apparently)
Auto start unticked
Output port: Off
Use Physical output port is ticked.
Then go to the Account tab. Enter the account name and password you registered with - without those nothing syncs and your points go nowhere!
Click OK and if your settings are correct you should start to see three green lights for Phone, Wifi and GPS - it can take a little while to get going. (If you don’t see Wifi, exit the program, launch Wifi, then restart the program)
Your phone should now pick up Access Points (via Wifi) and Cells (Via the Phone) at which point you should see a count appear at the bottom of the screen.
It will start with "0 APs and 0 Cells located" then as it finds a site (either AP or Cell) those numbers will increase e.g. if it found 3 Access Points and 1 Cell Tower you would see 3 APs and 1 Cell located.
Once those numbers show on the counter your phone is seeing sites and you can sync then to add points to your account (Menu > Sync)
It can take a few hours for them to update the points showing on your account so be patient (mine took around 4 hours to appear at first).
For every 10,000 points you gain they send $10 to you via Paypal - its money for (almost) nothing!!
For tips on how to maximise the points you find see THIS post
If you have any questions feel free to ask me.....
Zippyioa
I am going to give this a shot since I drive around a lot. But I installed the software and I am running it....but the Wifi and the GPS aren't doing anything...and I don't see anything to configure these to work.
2 points here 10 pts there and you need 10,000 to get $19.99. AND it has to be different access pts or towers to count for points.
Sorry but this isn't worth the gas spent, imo
DeniaL said:
I am going to give this a shot since I drive around a lot. But I installed the software and I am running it....but the Wifi and the GPS aren't doing anything...and I don't see anything to configure these to work.
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Hi Denial,
If you drive a lot (and make sure you run the software when you do!!) you should get some decent $ as you will find lots of Access Points and Cell towers.
To configure it for GPS click menu>Options>GPS (you may have to scroll left to see the GPS tab)
On the GPS page you need to choose the COM port that is right for your device. My MDA Vario III is COM4: (ActiveDevice) and I chose Baud Rate: 115200 and ticked Auto Start.
It would also be worth making sure you enter your details on the Account tab - you set these up when you registered at http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAdmin/register.aspx?referral_code=5D565A5C5A57
As for the WiFi - I usually turn my wifi on in the comm manager before I start up Navizon.
I hope that helps, but please let me know if you have more questions.
Cheers
Zippyioa
Woof_ said:
2 points here 10 pts there and you need 10,000 to get $19.99. AND it has to be different access pts or towers to count for points.
Sorry but this isn't worth the gas spent, imo
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It depends how you look at it Woof - the points required do look high, but if you drive a lot they rack up quickly - I got just over 500 points driving a mile into town today to go buy my food supplies - a journey I was doing anyway.
It wouldn't be sensible to drive around specifically to make money on this program, but if you are doing the journey anyway surely if you can earn some money whilst doing so - it has to be worthwhile??
Aside from making money whilst using it you can also setup Buddies on it, so if you have friends with GPS enabled devices and they install it, you can see where they are as they drive around.
Also its worth noting that many users have said they find EXTRA Access Points when they are on foot or on a bike as you pick up more when you are going slow. Its great as you get paid to get healthy!
Cheers
Zippyioa
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On the GPS page you need to choose the COM port that is right for your device. My MDA Vario III is COM4: (ActiveDevice) and I chose Baud Rate: 115200 and ticked Auto Start.
It would also be worth making sure you enter your details on the Account tab - you set these up when you registered at http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAdmin/register.aspx?referral_code=5D565A5C5A57
As for the WiFi - I usually turn my wifi on in the comm manager before I start up Navizon.
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Kaiser's GPS should be set to 4800 so you don't corrupt access to it for other programs.
Remember all APs and Cells count as long as it's NEW to YOUR account. It doesn't matter if somebody else already found it first.
Have you seen how many cells and APs lie around? One way on a 50 mile route, you can rack up something like 5000 points.
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Kaiser's GPS should be set to 4800 so you don't corrupt access to it for other programs.
Remember all APs and Cells count as long as it's NEW to YOUR account. It doesn't matter if somebody else already found it first.
Have you seen how many cells and APs lie around? One way on a 50 mile route, you can rack up something like 5000 points.
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That means that the acummulation of money greatly decreases, as the AP's and Cells in your vicinity are no longer new?
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That means that the acummulation of money greatly decreases, as the AP's and Cells in your vicinity are no longer new?
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There will be a reduction BUT with new sites going live all the time and/or by taking a new route to work or to the shops or friends you can find new sites all the time.
Anytime you go somewhere new just make sure you have Navizon running and you will get points which will get you money - what have you got to lose?
Register here http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAd...e=5D565A5C5A57 Install the software and start earning!
Cheers
Zippyioa
Does this use data? (GSM/3G/Edge/HSDPA)?
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Does this use data? (GSM/3G/Edge/HSDPA)?
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It uses your phones Wifi to find Access Points, it uses your phone to find cell towers and it uses your GPS to find where you are so it can map the access points and cell towers. As far I understand it none of these are chargeable or use data.
The position of access points and cell towers is stored in a file which is sent to Navizon using a data connection. By default this is set to sync once per day (at which point it would probably use your cells data connection) however you can disable the auto sync and choose to do it manually - at this point you could use Wifi or an Activesync connection to avoid data charges.
You can stop the auto sync as follows: Menu > Options > Data > Remove the tick from Auto sync daily
Cheers
Zippyioa
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It uses your phones Wifi to find Access Points, it uses your phone to find cell towers and it uses your GPS to find where you are so it can map the access points and cell towers
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I smell extreme battery drain
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I smell extreme battery drain
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Its not great on battery but when you are in the car you can use a car charger so its no problem really.
It is a bit of an issue when on foot or on a bike, but if you are not out for too long and you know you can top it back up again (either by car charger or power socket) again it is not too big an issue.
Hey, you could always use the money you earn to buy a spare battery
Cheers
Zippyioa
Car charger huh?
You obvoisly havent read the myraid of topics about car chargers bricking Kaisers
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Car charger huh?
You obvoisly havent read the myraid of topics about car chargers bricking Kaisers
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I have seen a few posts here and there but never had an issue myself.
I have an MDA Vario III from T-Mobile UK and use a car charger that I bought on eBay for my old XDA Orbit. Have been using this setup since the start of October with no problems so I guess I have never really been too bothered about this issue.
Thanks for bringing it up though.
Zippyioa
When I first heard about this program on Friday morning I was unsure that I would ever reach 10,000 points.
For those of you thinking the same, my hometown of Stratford-upon-Avon is not that built up an area. I have only travelled to and from work 10 miles away from home (using mostly rural roads with few buildings) and today into town and back (which is much more built up - lots of APs and cell towers).
I have already built up over 1200 points just on those two drives (25 miles) - that is without travelling around REALLY dense urban areas (big cities) with lots of buildings and also without walking around - just driving which misses lots of sites as it doesnt have time to log them!!
Cheers
Zippyioa
Man zippyioa, mention a good thing and get beaten up for it! To the naysayers, Navizon is a good deal, though yeah it doesn't rack up on your day-to-day commute. But if you do a lot of travel for business or whatever, it can become fairly luicrative. I only used the GPS option on my old 2125 (it didn't have wifi) and i still got 10,000 points pretty quick.
yep.. navizon is super .last week i accumulate 35000 points ( 60$ )
and total amount of money what i earn form navizon up today is 333.03 dollars
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Man zippyioa, mention a good thing and get beaten up for it! To the naysayers, Navizon is a good deal, though yeah it doesn't rack up on your day-to-day commute. But if you do a lot of travel for business or whatever, it can become fairly luicrative. I only used the GPS option on my old 2125 (it didn't have wifi) and i still got 10,000 points pretty quick.
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I completly get the beating part. For me, it feels like this guy is using this forum as a free commercial space for his or his employers product. I don't have not too much respect for that, as this is a Developers and users forum. Forgive me if I'm wrong, though
If I'm wrong, then I recommend not making your posts so cheezy and ad-like. When I read the text, it feels like I'm reading a marketing text for a new product, or so. That's why people turn naysayers
Hi Tec1106,
Thank you for the reality check - I hadn't realised how cheesy my first post sounded - point taken and amendments have now been made - hopefully it reads better now?
I guess years of working in sales have taken their toll on me as I didn't even realise I was doing it!
I work for a data cleansing company in Warwick UK and have no link to Navizon other than recently joining this scheme. I found this software through Paul at Modaco on Friday morning, saw the potential to earn money from it and wanted to share that chance to earn money with everyone here.
I have been using the XDA developers site for several years now to help me fix issues on my phone and I thought this would be a nice way to pay everyone back for the help they have given me - I also thought it was nice to earn something back from our expensive devices for a change.
Zippyioa
Zip I would agree on the cheesy part. I did however sign up using your code just to give it a try. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for the tip.
The original question can be anwswered differently depending on interpretation of question....
1. How can ur xda transmit/receive over ham freqs? (must perform modifications to device and get FCC-ok, but legally possible)
2. How can ur xda observe and post through web host-repeater to chatbox, and can hambands be listened to on website over xda?
My tilt would not have javascripting and java plugins running would it? It doesn't seem to be able to support the Netherlands site post#3. I tried with both PIE and opera mini with TCPMP and Streaming Media Player.
I think it would be easier if you just use HAM Radio over Internet...
couple things
1.)
power booster would be designed native to particular phone
designed for particular freq band
cradle or docking station for xda (charges with signal rx - antenna on top of car wired into cradle)
33cm band is old analog cell operating band. You might have interruptions sound like conversation(hi-freq noise w/multi-tones)
23cm band(1240-1300Mhz), 13cm 2350-2450Mhz(right in middle of celll phone authourization band - most of GSMs here)
GSM requires carrier-authorization (freq band) 900-928Mhz which is near cell phone range.
Microwaves may have skin heating effect. Questions of safety of being in close contact with xdas and cell phone towers known to cause cancer. Antennas in microwave range are extremely small. Could make collinear to give multiple gains. U could get pretty hi gain wi fi antenna in 900Mh~2 ghz range. Couplers(passive) could be used with antennas in cars
Many collinear high gain antennas would multiply 10000-20000x the power with a power amp. external antenna would give 20x-30x range. mounted atop vehicle or house would give far better line of sight both tx and rx. would easily recover loss from passive coupling on back side of radio. ctrl ops would have to provide very precise measurements on operation in freq and band. legal to do if authorized and operating in legal bands of FCC (here in usa...every country would have near equivalent comm regulators)
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d-Star a protocol to internconnect cells into digital repeater systems. Ppl talk 100-150 miles apart with its usage. Transfer video, audio, or data. With packet radio u could transmit text thru pda entirely thru ham radio. It may go partially thru both ham and cell towers to hit say australia.
possible to use ham over ip software to find repaters' url and will be encapsulated as traffic.(ax.25 protocol used in amateur radio...internet affected by similar ix.25 protocol) GSM refers to type of modulation used to modulate signal. once it gets back to the inernet its born as packets of info ie voip graphic images ascii whatever (but no porn!)
links would be limited for instance if link transmitted at 300 baud it would take forever. but text for example ascii short and sweet would easily be transmitted in 12-15 modes psk 31, packet radio, paktor, amtor (amateur radio version of sitor), baudot. ascii is a recognized easily. all is encapsulated.
baudot is 5bit instead of 8bit. still used today in deaf phones with 5bit baudot code. makes it easy to use as a terminal into a ham radio. easy to talk to teletype operators over world. alot of times host will translate over internet with known repeater-ip address. connect to digipeater over ham(or cell?) and internet. Lots of mailbox like systems. almost like an email server.
FCC Answers legality
http://www.lamonica.com/legal.htm
Possible? ..little dated!
http://www.arrl.org/qst/2003/02/VoIP.pdf
Gateways
http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Internet_and_Radio/Online_Receivers/ 54 different links!
forum specific to streaming media
http://icecast.imux.net/
Amateur Radio League of course!
http://www.arrl.org/
University of Twente, Neschede - The Netherlands
Site broadcasts three different meter wavelengths with chatbox.
http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
I just thought I'd say I'm a ham and I gave up on reading that drivel at about 3 lines in.
You could probably do speaker/mic to a radio and be an internet gateway that way, but all this other "cellular is near suchandsuch" stuff is silly, the Tilt itself would in no way ever be transmitting on ham frequencies.
Easier said..*wink*
Thank you for input, khaytsus. Cleared up first post(somewhat).
Would really like others to read more than 3 lines in...
Rayan, I have checked a couple of the links out. The tilt does not seam to support the java version or javascripting...will keep trying the others.
Ham radio through Kaiser/Tilt
The simplest solution would be EchoLink. With the AT&T Tilt having the PTT button, I would love to have a WM port of EchoLink tied to the PTT. If I knew how to program, I would work on a WM port of EchoLink. Any programmers up to the challenge?
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Nice To See Some Hams Here.
kb0olf said:
The simplest solution would be EchoLink. With the AT&T Tilt having the PTT button, I would love to have a WM port of EchoLink tied to the PTT. If I knew how to program, I would work on a WM port of EchoLink. Any programmers up to the challenge?
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Boy, I came in on this way late, and am resurrecting a dead thread...sorry about that.
Wish I were still doing programming, that would be a fun project, that's for sure. Got a couple of friends that are programmers, though, one with experience with PPC stuff...gives me some things to think about....
My thinking as far as VOIP around here was to simply use the wireless LAN in the house and something like Microsoft Portrait or Skype to pass the audio to my HF rig. My big problem is rig control since I use HRD for rig control and logging on a regular basis and I don't really want to change.
Anyone got any good ideas there?
As to some of the other stuff posted, I agree, the Tilt (or any handheld cell phone for that matter) certainly won't easily make it to the lower ham bands. Plus, you'd have a lot of work to do reprogramming it to make it to the upper bands. Is it possible? Maybe, but not worth the effort in my opinion. Provided all of this was done in the US, by US citizens, you wouldn't have to resubmit the device for FCC certification, as long as several conditions were met. First, you would have to be a licensed ham operator. Second, you couldn't sell it to anyone other than another ham operator for use at his station. And third, you'd have to verify that it fell within the spurious emissions guidelines that the FCC sets out for a device at that power level. I should remember what that is, but I've slept since I took the test.
When it comes to getting an antenna connected to the phone, if you're talking about the Tilt itself, it has an antenna connector behind the rubber cover near the camera lens. Most phones have the same type of connector somewhere on them. Not all, but most. That also tends to remove most of the stray RF from the device itself and allows you to route the RF to an amplifier instead of having to use passive devices and increasing efficiency. BUT, you're still talking about retuning a device that wasn't originally designed for those frequencies in the first place. Interesting idea, though. Using that thought, the amplifier could be relatively universal and wouldn't have to be designed for a specific device.
As to many of the links, while they're relevant to a degree, many of them are online receivers. It's legal to broadcast received signals online, but not legal to rebroadcast signals over the ham bands. There's where the control operator mentioned in the first link comes into play. That's the whole issue of legality. There's no problem with listening, though. If you can stream the signals, you can listen all you want.
OK. I've not only resurrected a dead thread, but I've stirred the pot quite a bit. I'm curious to see what floats to the top!
--de WA0ZOG
ham radio why not??
ok why not use hrd and psk 31 and you should beable to do all functions but voice over radio and computer. just a thought 73s wc3sam
it'd be really neat to see an Echolink compatible client, and fantastic to tie it to the PTT!
As it is, I leave my HT running at home sometimes and have it streaming through my Windows Media 9 encoder at 8kbs, and it sounds awesome, with no breakup, even over GPRS. The downside is that I can't talk back, but at least I can keep tabs on our emergency nets, and I SMS in my check-ins to another HAM buddy live on the net, so he lets them know I'm listening. Downside #2 is that I can't surf the towers. I have to go home and change the tuning manually. I don't have a radio with a fancy PC interface for control. Just a thumbwheel tuned clunker I picked up at a field day. It does the job though.
I hope we have a good samaritan programmer that might take this project up. My Dad and I would love this app!
73's
KD4ZQE
Hi, I'm a new member, but more of a lurker. I originally planned to buy a Hermes but after reading about all the hardware problems I decided to go for the Kaiser. My question is, are there any major problems with the Kaiser? I know of the ImageON driver issues, are there any other hardware or software issues?
I don't think there's any fundamental problem with the hardware. The 3 Mp camera is not great, but what do you expect of a camera on a phone?
There a lot of ROMs, official and cooked, you can choose one that suits you.
Mine works pretty well with the original WM 6.0 ROM or the HTC official 3.02 one. With more recent ROMs or radio firmware I have problems with GPS fix times and access to WiFi routers.
Thanks for the fast reply!
I'm sorry to ask this in the Kaiser forum, but would going for the Hermes be worse than the Kaiser? They're essentially the same, except that I've read of a lot of h/w problems on the Hermes.
Hermes is awful next to the Kaiser. I still have mine here, had to use it while my Kaiser was being repaired a few months ago and it was just a PITA. Slow as hell, deeply embossed and lower quality screen,... But I can't talk of hardware problems with it.
If you get a 2nd hand Kaiser, the important points you need to check is that 3G is working (early units had faulty 3G hardware that would fail after some time, but most should have been warranty-fixed by now), and that the USB port is not broken as some tend to break it by shoving the stylus in it instead of the storage place.
I guess I know which phone I'm going for thanks!
One more question! sorry lol, I know the Kaiser has A-GPS, do you have to pay for it? If I put TomTom on my Kaiser will I have to pay for using the assisted GPS?
Also, is CorePlayer working fine on the Kaiser, mainly with xvid/avi files?
A-GPS aka QuickGPS will want to download a small file off the internet at least once a week, be it through Wifi, Activesync or whatever else is available to get satellite data and allow for shorter times to first fix, that's all. And if you don't want to use it you're not forced to, it will just take a little longer to get a fix.
So nothing to pay, except if you decide to download that little file over GPRS where your data fees would apply.
Coreplayer works fine, I personally reencode my videos in 320x240 divx for viewing with it. Never really tried anything else for video.
Alright, thanks amigo!
kilrah said:
A-GPS aka QuickGPS will want to download a small file off the internet at least once a week, be it through Wifi, Activesync or whatever else is available to get satellite data and allow for shorter times to first fix, that's all. And if you don't want to use it you're not forced to, it will just take a little longer to get a fix.
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AGPS is not the same thing as QuickGPS (though it took me ages to realise).
Quick GPS is what you describe and is generally considered to be worthwhile.
AGPS is similar, but it downloads more specific information which (I believe) is based on which phone masts you're near - and therefore should be even better for getting a good fix. The problems are A - It will cost money if you have to pay for your internet connection and B - apparently (though I've never used it) it will sometimes update the data while you're actually using GPS and as a result lose your fix while you're driving somewhere. A lot of people don't like AGPS at all.
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AGPS is not the same thing as QuickGPS (though it took me ages to realise).
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Well.. it is in some way. The problem is that AGPS can be implemented in different ways up to different extents...
The first thing is what is mentioned above - downloading ephemeris data from the net instead of getting it directly from the satellites, which would require continuous link with each satellite for about 1 minute. First fix time is thus shortened as the data for 1 week is stored locally. This is what QuickGPS and SeaSGEE do.
The usual "Disable AGPS" in KaiserTweak / Advanced Config is a second thing. It switches to a different position calculation algorithm that is supposed to work better in low signal conditions, by extrapolating the movement at the time signal is lost and trying to guesstimate how it could evolve everytime some signal is received. But many people don't like that as it's only giving decent results in certain conditions like driving, and when walking, geocaching etc it does nothing more than giving wrong info.
What you mention by using cell towers and an internet database is also something that can be done under the AGPS naming, but AFAIK it's not implemented on the Kaiser.
It sounds like you know more about it than I do so I'll bow to your greater knowledge
Hi,
I was thinking about buying a second MIFI device and I have a couple of old windows mobile devices (TYTN 2) stuck in the cupboard gathering dust and i thought hey some clever person must be able to bake a MIFI ROM for these devices to make them really useful.
Its a shame that thousands of these are discarded and the same people discarding them go out and buy brand new MIFI devices for their wifi ipads and laptops when they could recyle these to give them similar functionality for nothing.
We have a microsd card for a bit of LAN storage as with the MIFI .. anyone interested or is it time to bin windows mobile devices completely
I have to say though I have never seen WPA wifi tetheringon a kaiser :-(
rgds
ian
Wifi tethering on a Kaiser is completely doable and has been for some time now, running Android.
Drivers and such have been a bugger to get (or make from scratch), but I can tether my Kaiser via USB or WIFI and use my mobile network for internet.
I think WM6.0 allowed sharing the mobile data connection, I just never tried it on my own device while 6.0 was still on it.
P.S.: I will take those Kaisers off your hands for a partly donation...lol.