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PUSH email w/o exchange ?

I'm using Outlook 2007 on my desktop with 3 POP email accounts, calendar, tasks, etc.
Is there a fairly simple way to sync and push email to my Tilt without having exchange server available ?
Thanks,
DLD

Direct push is for exchange 2003 & 2007 only, it has nothing to do with the outlook client. Why don't you setup the pop3 on your phone? On my phone I have 1 exchange account, and 2 pop3 accounts, and it works great.

You could always try Emoze - http://www.emoze.com/ - some people love it, some people hate it. Not tried it myself.
Other options include using Live Mail - which supports push in WM6, or setting up a Mail2Web account. You could then create a rule in Outlook to forward any received mail to your new address. You might be able to configure Live Mail to pull from other Pop3 mailboxes (I know Gmail does this, but I don't know about Live Mail). That way all three Pop accounts end up in your Live Mail bucket, and you sync just that one account with your phone.
Any good?

TimSykes said:
Direct push is for exchange 2003 & 2007 only, it has nothing to do with the outlook client. Why don't you setup the pop3 on your phone? On my phone I have 1 exchange account, and 2 pop3 accounts, and it works great.
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I could do that, but then I'd have to manually check for mail.
It would just be nice to have blackberry-like mail arrival.
DLD

you can tell the phone to check every 5 mins for emails? that's just as regular as blackberry. battery sapping tho. its in the advanced section of the messaging setup. you can do it on symbian nokias too.

dan13l said:
You could always try Emoze - http://www.emoze.com/ - some people love it, some people hate it. Not tried it myself.
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just installed it, and it appears to be working GREAT !
i wonder why this is free ?
DLD

Unless it is an unlocked version, there is a client ready to install on the Tilt that does the same thing. ExpressMail

WWI said:
Unless it is an unlocked version, there is a client ready to install on the Tilt that does the same thing. ExpressMail
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I like the concept of XpressMail (using SMS notification, therefore good for battery life), though I've had little luck getting push to work. It rarely, if ever, worked on my MPX220. I eventually accepted the fact that I'd simply have to do a send/receive when I was interested in seeing if there was new mail. Now that I have the Tilt, I'm having the same reliability issues. It HAS worked... I've had a couple messages show up all on their own, but for the most part, they don't. I've gone into the online configuration @ https://xpressmail.cingular.com/, and found that I had not only one, but two devices set up (my MPX220 set up twice). I deleted both of those, but for some reason can't seem to get the Tilt added. I can go through the process, but once I select it, it just never gets added to the list. The list of emails online is correct, so obviously the xpress mail app is properly getting the emails from my mail provider (comcast), but it's either not sending out the SMS messages, or they aren't being interpreted correctly by the phone.

I had a situation where i needed to syn with 2 exchange servers, and i didnt' want to run a desktop app.
Google for "seven beta" and get the OWA Out of office. You can set it up to sync only email and it works like push off of the OWA of exchange. If you don't have exchange they have a desktop version. Seven is the same people who develop the xpress mail for cingular.

Working IMAP on Windows Mobile 6.1?

IMAP doesn't seem to work in any of the WM6.1 ROMS. Anyone know how to work around this?

I'm having my mail account configured using IMAP and it works without problems (WM6.1 Lite). I also had it with 6.1 "full" and WM6.

Whenever I setup a new email address it doesn't give me the option to NOT automatically get settings from the server for Gmail.
To make it work with Gmail you have to not use the default settings. I had it working just fine with WM6. Any ideas?

Have a look here.
https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78886&topic=12920

With the wm6.1 versions floating around there is no "check box" - that's the problem.
To resolve, you need to enter in a bogus (or incomplete) domain name for your email address in order to "fool" it and stop the auto pop3 config. then you can choose imap and afterward go back and correct the domain.

Are you talking about for exchange or for just a normal Outlook Mobile email that I added? Whenever I add a new email address through Outlook it doesn't ask for a doman.
Can you explain in more detail maybe??
Edit: I tried the bogus domain thing and it didn't work. Hmmm, this is pretty crappy. Unless there's a fix I might have to to back to my old ROM, cause the main reason I have a Treo is for email :/.

I don't have wm6.1 anymore (the version I was using was not ready for primetime IMO). But when asked for your email address (the first step I believe), do not put @gmail.com, instead make it gmai.com (not the missing 'L') then proceed through inputing everything else correctly, at some point you'll be asked for the mailbox type (drop down of pop or imap). Choose IMAP and carry on to finish. then go back in and correct your email address. synch your mailbox...

Worked like a charm man, thanks a lot!

Best Push IMAP and/or GMail Solution

Maybe this belongs in a subforum that is not specific to the Raphael, but I couldn't find a good place for it.
Obviously if you can use an Exchange server or forward your e-mail to one, you should have no trouble at all getting Push e-mail on any Windows Mobile 5 or 6 smartphone.
If you use BlackBerry Enterprise with Exchange or with Lotus Notes, Novell, etc. you can download BlackBerry Connect 4.0.0.103 and use that setup for push.
{I found some other helpful threads...}
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409108
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372291
THE ISSUE OF PUSHING IMAP TO YOUR FUZE
My university provides Exchange for everyone except undergrads. I am an undergrad. I've looked for various solutions to get push e-mail working with our IMAP (Horde IMP) server working. The default WM client works fine except that it is not push, and checking the server every 5 minutes drains my battery. I use this setup for all of my non-primary e-mail accounts, i.e. Formal Gmail, Informal Gmail, and AOL IMAP, which I generally need only to check on-demand.
My university mail is another story. Often times it is crucial to view a message within minutes of it's having been sent.
I will now list the options that I have found so far:
Blackberry Connect:
I first tried paying for BlackBerry Connect, but soon discovered that once I had setup my school's IMAP, there was no two-way sync between my inbox and my BlackBerry. If I read an e-mail in Thunderbird, Outlook, or Webmail before I read it on my phone, it was still marked as unread on my phone. The reverse, however, worked with some lag. I could synchronize deleted items, but this was sort of a manual thing. This is a known issue, and most of the online documentation discusses Gmail IMAP access. Also,arrival times were inconsistent...between 25 seconds and 10 minutes.
I could get around this by forwarding all my e-mail to a Yahoo Mail account, for which Two-Way Sync is available for Blackberry Internet Service. I'd rather not.
Summary: no two-way sync with most IMAP and Gmail IMAP; I can't read all my e-mail on my phone first.
SEVEN Beta:
After realizing that AT&T's "GetMail" was owned by SEVEN, this option appealed to me substantially. I think they are somehow related to GoodLink from Good Messaging. There have been so many mergers and takekovers, it's rather hard to keep track.
2:30 before messages arrived, but was pushed!
:55 before message marked read on phone was marked read on server, but was pushed!
1:15 before message marked read on server
Of course hitting the "Synchronize Now" button makes these two latter changes instantaneous.
To me this seems like a pretty good solution so far, except that the SEVEN configuration program will only open once after a soft reboot. I'll have to see if the entrails or remnants of BlackBerry Connect are causing this problem: I'll be doing a hard reboot in a few minutes.
Attachments and per message data limitations work even better than the default IMAP client.
Summary: Still in Beta, but pretty good; delays of only a few minutes.
IMAP Pusher Service
I discovered that this option requires running a file every time you start your phone. I haven't tried this one yet, but I'll let you know how it works when I do.
I like how basic and non-invasive this one seems. It runs on the IMAP-idle command, assuming your server supports it. However, the developer claims it is not very secure. (I'm not sure if any of these solutions are...)
eMoze
I haven't tried this one yet, and I'm not sure if I want to.
I seem to remember that it works a lot like Verizon's Wireless Sync in terms of storing everything on their server. I'm not sure if I like that notion. If anyone has used eMoze, please let me know what they thought of it. I may try this one too.
mobiPush
I know little about this except that it was thrown up as a possible answer in another forum. I have since discovered that it is buggy, and support seems to have almost all but disappeared.
Emansio
This one also seems very basic, and while it wouldn't work while BlackBerry Connect was installed, now it works fine. Just make sure your Thunderbird isn't set up to use IMAP-IDLE. Otherwise you will have a "synchronization error."
E-mails, deleted and whatnot, sync up within 30 seconds; as fast as in Thunderbird. The only problem with this solution is that it costs 20 GBP! And its interface is not very pretty. I'll give this one some time to mature.
This seems to be based on its predecessor, VGS Mail. I'm tempted to buy it...we'll see how well SEVEN works for a while....
Hosted Exchange at mail2web
I really just don't want to deal with forwarding. Otherwise, I think this would be a very good "native" solution in that it uses OTA ActiveSync.
Please add suggestions if you can! Perhaps we can turn this into a Sticky or a Wiki somewhere.
Here's a modified chart from another thread:
(M - MobiPush, F - Funambol, S - SEVEN, E - Emoze, W - Mail2web, I - Imappusher, A - EmAnsio after payment)
Code:
M F S E W I A
No Add Soft: (Activepush) M - - - W - A
HTML Email: - - S – W I A
Fast Email: m – s – w I A+
Reliable Email: m - S – w - A
No ad/insert in reply email: M – S – W I A
Low Battery Usage: M f S e W - A
Direct send from Gmail acc: M F S E - I A
Customized Sender Name: M F - E W I A

Gratuitous Attention-Grab
Hey everyone,
I think this is an important enough issue for this device, so I'm going to double-post. Sorry. My last post was too long to read.
As of today, what do you all think is the best method for pushing IMAP to your Fuze?
I'm using Seven right now, but I'm close to switching to Emansio. (formerly VGS Mail)
IMAP Pusher would be a great option if you didn't have to start it every time you soft-reset your device.
Let me know what you all think!
And yes, I know it would be much better if I could convince my school to use Exchange or BlackBerry....

NighTalon said:
Hey everyone,
IMAP Pusher would be a great option if you didn't have to start it every time you soft-reset your device.
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Make a shortcut of IMAP Pusher and place it under the StartUp folder in the Windows directory. That way it will automatically launch it on start up.

Check out FlexMail. It does IMAP push. http://www.webis.net/. It's not perfect because sometimes it loses the connection to the IMAP server and doesn't figure it out. But of the IMAP push solutions that I have tried it is the best. (I am using this on the Hermes, hoping for Raphael soon.)
Sorry, I didn't have time to list more of the features about to leave. But please look at the site and post questions about the product.

Hotmail Syncing

Sorry if this has been addressed already, but I thought it relevant so I'm posting it here. I've always used just my GMail account with the native app and it's worked fine so I never really bothered with my Hotmail account since it's only POP mail and I feel that having it poll my Inbox every 15mins drains the battery heavily. But I read this morning that they've just started rolling out the new Windows Live Hotmail Wave 4 today, which includes Exchange ActiveSync support for Push email and Account syncing for Calendar and Contacts.
As it's being rolled out in clusters, my account hasn't been upgraded yet. But I decided to try to set up my account to Push anyways and it seems like it's working fine.
If you want to do the same in the Stock Email App, Add a New Account. Then input your Email Address and Password then hit the Manual Setup button and Select Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync and use these settings:
Domain\Username: \username@hotmail.com
Password: password
Server: m.hotmail.com
Use Secure Connection (SSL): Yes
Accept all SSL Certificates: No
hit Next, then make sure the Email Check Frequency is set to Automatic (Push) and then just set your other sync options. (I've only synced mail since my contacts and calendar are synced with GMail).
I'm sure some things will change when my account actually gets the upgrade, but for now, it's basically all I need.
Full Disclosure: I'm on 2.2 and using the stock Email App for this. I don't know how this will impact 2.1 or if you're using K9 or Touchdown, etc. so feel free to post you results.

Just tried your settings with the 2.1 email app and it's no go.

Just tested...
...and it works! Running 2.2 (FRF50).
Even though I rarely use it and that it's mostly used for pretty useless mail it's still nice that it works, finally.

prettyboy85712 said:
Just tried your settings with the 2.1 email app and it's no go.
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Using stock 2.1 update 1, it works except there's no calendar option(should only available in 2.2), but the server is not very stable, need a few more retry to connect

Must be why it failed then.

2.2 you can add with out having to change any settings.

Do you know the setting to use in any other apps? The stock mail app doesnt allow showing html pictures, so i'd prefer to use k-9 or touchdown...
THANKS!!
theletterj said:
Sorry if this has been addressed already, but I thought it relevant so I'm posting it here. I've always used just my GMail account with the native app and it's worked fine so I never really bothered with my Hotmail account since it's only POP mail and I feel that having it poll my Inbox every 15mins drains the battery heavily. But I read this morning that they've just started rolling out the new Windows Live Hotmail Wave 4 today, which includes Exchange ActiveSync support for Push email and Account syncing for Calendar and Contacts.
As it's being rolled out in clusters, my account hasn't been upgraded yet. But I decided to try to set up my account to Push anyways and it seems like it's working fine.
If you want to do the same in the Stock Email App, Add a New Account. Then input your Email Address and Password then hit the Manual Setup button and Select Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync and use these settings:
Domain\Username: \username(at)hotmail(.dot)com
Password: password
Server: m(.dot)hotmail(.dot)com
Use Secure Connection (SSL): Yes
Accept all SSL Certificates: No
hit Next, then make sure the Email Check Frequency is set to Automatic (Push) and then just set your other sync options. (I've only synced mail since my contacts and calendar are synced with GMail).
I'm sure some things will change when my account actually gets the upgrade, but for now, it's basically all I need.
Full Disclosure: I'm on 2.2 and using the stock Email App for this. I don't know how this will impact 2.1 or if you're using K9 or Touchdown, etc. so feel free to post you results.
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Worked for me on 2.1 email app. Now, how do I get a widget to show me the unread count?

Finally MS do something useful to their antiquated service!

Tried it, but doesn't work (yet)
Do you get an e-mail when your account is upgraded?

Guess that is cool if it works, but you can only have 1 Exchange Activesync account on any device...that includes iPhone, WinMo etc...

Has this stopped working for anyone? I'm just getting 'unable to connect to server' now.

Same here, getting the "Unable to open connection to server."-message now.
The wierd thing is that yesterday I got the little yellow bar up top in Hotmail telling me to restart the browser to try the new version (which is what actually got me to try this) but nothing really changed, rollback?

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Has this stopped working for anyone? I'm just getting 'unable to connect to server' now.
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Can confirm this
techlogik said:
Guess that is cool if it works, but you can only have 1 Exchange Activesync account on any device...that includes iPhone, WinMo etc...
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Technically true, but two Push accounts can be accomplished on both Android & WinMo(windows live + exchange)

For us with X10's who are stuck with version 1.6 of Android,
What are the settings to get this working in K9? Has anyone successfully got it working with that mail prog?
Thanks!

Still not working here. Go Microsoft

Small update:
My Hotmail account was upgraded to Wave 4 this morning... Hotmail via Exchange? Still no go. It worked for about an hour back on 17th June, and nothing since.

Well it's all working again now

so its real push service?
if yes i need try this
i wa susing SEVEN but lack of html =(

Yes, it's proper push.

[Q] Hotmail HTML email via exchange on FROYO 2.2x ?

My first post. So Exciting
Has anyone who is running FROYO on their Captivate setup their Hotmail (or MSN or Live) email account through the exchange server settings (I think it's called a "Corporate" account in the new acccounts setup menu)? If so, are you receiving HTML email?
A few months ago, Hotmail began offering Exchange email services through Activesync, and it does work with my bone stock Captivate (syncs email, all folders, contacts and calendar), except the email is not HTML, and thus many emails become useless. I have researched this, and its a known problem with Hotmail, but I also read that it was supposed to be resolved in newer software versions, so I wondered if HTML Hotmail email was working in beta FROYO?

yeah, i was wondering the same thing

Well, a quick google search turned up this post on the droidforums: http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...mail-android-finally-good-way.html#post786175
I will follow the directions there and let you know how it goes. Hopefully it doesn't muck up my K9 settings. But that's what a backup is for!
Edit: Looks like it does work. Now I don't use Hotmail as my main email, I use my Gmail account. So I don't really have any contacts or calenders to test if they synced or not. As for everything else, you have the green light sir.

Thank you miztaken for your help. The link you sent is actually not fully accurate, as Activsync support does work with Android 2.1 (as I am currently using it on my stock Captivate) - it is just that HTML email does not work on Android 2.1 , but everything else does (calendar & contacts sync and email folder support).
So, did you get Hotmail HTML email to work with Froyo (through Exchange/Activesync / Add Account, Corporate) ?

Well it would be nice if it worked in the stock email app, but it doesn't. Just a bunch of hyperlinks. I'll try it through the K9 email app I use and try again.
Edit: For the life of my I can't get the damn thing to talk to the SMTP server for Hotmail on K9. I'll mess with it some more when I get more free time.

I haven't been able to get exchange HTML hotmail ever on an android... used 3rd party apps and nothing. Quite frustrating... i'm running on 2.2 and it syncs everything but no HTML.

If using pop3 it works. Exchange is a no-go.

Yeah, exactly, POP delivers perfect HTLM Hotmail email, but once you get used to how incredible exchange email is, it's hard to go back to POP.
I guess based on what snieves said, HTML Hotmail is a no go even on Android 2.2, but for the sake of further annoying myself, I'll test it this weekend by flashing the latest COG 2.2 BETA8 to my Captivate, and I'll report back. Unfortunately, if I cant get it to work, I think I'll move on to a WIN 7 phone.

DeliciousPHO said:
Yeah, exactly, POP delivers perfect HTLM Hotmail email, but once you get used to how incredible exchange email is, it's hard to go back to POP.
I guess based on what snieves said, HTML Hotmail is a no go even on Android 2.2, but for the sake of further annoying myself, I'll test it this weekend by flashing the latest COG 2.2 BETA8 to my Captivate, and I'll report back. Unfortunately, if I cant get it to work, I think I'll move on to a WIN 7 phone.
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You would seriously switch to a different platform just because of email? Why? Just make a Gmail account, have your Hotmail forwarded to the Gmail, and set your phone up for that Gmail account. Then you have push email with HTML support.
It is a little bit long winded, but it's not worth the switch just for email.

Gmail sux, so outdated and just absolutely hate their web client. hotmail is way better, right click menus, reply button is right there, not at bottom of thread like crappy gmail. And whats up with no standard html email client in android. So hate how they lock **** down so you have to use their services. K9 sux also, POP and IMAP, come on. Someone please make a proper FREE email client for android that dose it all. Think im gona go back to windows mobile.

hi, no news?

BUMP
Why is this still not working. Gmail works, hotmail connects and sync's fine by doesn't load HTML via 'corporate' but POP does load them - there must be a simple explaination and fix???

texwatson said:
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Why is this still not working. Gmail works, hotmail connects and sync's fine by doesn't load HTML via 'corporate' but POP does load them - there must be a simple explaination and fix???
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My understanding is that it has to do with the Exchange ActiveSync servers used by Hotmail. The version 2.5 EAS servers that they use don't technically support HTML. So when Android sees that the version doesn't support HTML it downloads the emails as plain text. The post also said that the iPhone will download HTML messages from the Hotmail EAS servers because its email program was written to ignore the EAS version number and force HTML d/l. I read this several different places, but here is one of those sources....
http://thecioblog.info/2010/09/01/hotmail-now-has-push-e-mail-contacts-calendar-synchronization/
It appears that HTML e-mail is only possible via iPhone and will be available on Windows Phone 7. ....Hotmail’s Exchange ActiveSync implementation decided only to use the Exchange ActiveSync 2.5 (Exchange Server 2003 SP2) protocol because they feel that’s the protocol that “most” devices with Exchange ActiveSync clients use. ... For most non-iOS and WP7, you will not be able to receive “native” HTML email at delivery on your device. This is because EAS 2.5 only supports plain text email sync. They could’ve also implemented Exchange ActiveSync 12.0, which does allow for HTML email. Somehow, iOS’s developers have programmed their EAS client such that it represents faithful HTML email for Hotmail. Overall, though, this is Windows Live’s crow to eat...
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Basically, to get HTML emails from Hotmail, either MS would have to upgrade their AES servers, or someone will have to figure out how Apple got the iOS email client to see Hotmail messages as HTML & duplicate it on Android.

tdogz said:
or someone will have to figure out how Apple got the iOS email client to see Hotmail messages as HTML & duplicate it on Android.
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Ok...so who is up for the challenge . I am currently trying out XDANDROID on my TP2 and am seriously considering making the switch as I am sure many are. This is a big draw back for those who have used WinMo for years and have everything tied into MS Live services.
Yes, I could make the big transition, but it just doesn't make sense that if iPhone can recieve HTML Hotmail via Exchange, no reason why Android can't.
Anyone know if it will be supported with Gingerbread?

give this a try. though it doesnt work for everyone it works for me. im the OP...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=960269
its the samsung social hub and email deodexed. works great with hotmail and msn messanger for me on firefly in canada where it originated.

MSN / Hotmail HTML Email Works via MS Exchange Activesync !
So I did get rid of the captivate long ago and went back to a BB 9700, than a 9780. I got the itch again and just bought a Samsung Infuse yesterday. It took 4 tries to get it working, but Finally, I can confirm for sure, that on a 100% stock AT&T Infuse, MSN / Hotmail via Microsoft Exchange Activesync does come through as HTML email. The email initially comes through as text, but there is a buton that says "Load More Details", and when you seect that button, it loads the HTML version (and on the huge Infuse screen, looks incredible).
I am guessing that the stock Samsung email app on the Infuse is used on most/all Samsung phones. Here is what I did:
Accounts and Sync
Add Account
[ ] Microsoft Exchange Activesync
Enter you email address
Enter your password
NEXT
Domain\Username: \[email protected] (just enter your email address @msn or @Hotmail and make sure to put the \ before your email address)
Password: re type your password. I tried several times and I was only able to finish the setup if i retyped my password on this screen
Exchange server: m.hotmail.com (works regardless if you are @msn or @hotmail)
Check the Use Secure Connection (SSL)
And on the next screen, just select the options that are important to you.
It works perfectly for me.

DeliciousPHO said:
So I did get rid of the captivate long ago and went back to a BB 9700, than a 9780. I got the itch again and just bought a Samsung Infuse yesterday. It took 4 tries to get it working, but Finally, I can confirm for sure, that on a 100% stock AT&T Infuse, MSN / Hotmail via Microsoft Exchange Activesync does come through as HTML email. The email initially comes through as text, but there is a buton that says "Load More Details", and when you seect that button, it loads the HTML version (and on the huge Infuse screen, looks incredible).
I am guessing that the stock Samsung email app on the Infuse is used on most/all Samsung phones. Here is what I did:
Accounts and Sync
Add Account
[ ] Microsoft Exchange Activesync
Enter you email address
Enter your password
NEXT
Domain\Username: \[email protected] (just enter your email address @msn or @Hotmail and make sure to put the \ before your email address)
Password: re type your password. I tried several times and I was only able to finish the setup if i retyped my password on this screen
Exchange server: m.hotmail.com (works regardless if you are @msn or @hotmail)
Check the Use Secure Connection (SSL)
And on the next screen, just select the options that are important to you.
It works perfectly for me.
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Wow sir. You are a god among men. This worked PERFECTLY for me just now. I finally can have ALL my email accounts on my phone finally.
Edit: Don't see the "Load More Details" button on the stock email app.

I have now tried several different ROMS on my Infuse, and all of the Email Apps are more or less the same, and when you open a email, a gray button appears at the bottom of the screen that says " Load more details ". I would have to think this is always there, becuase when setting up the email account in the first place, it asks you how much (2K, 5K, 20K, etc...) you want to download per email. I believe I set mine to 2K. Anyway, when I click the load more details button, the complete HTML email appears after a few seconds. Nice.

Try Exchange mail with HTML, In-line replies