Hi Folks, I read a lot of threads regarding the power consumption of the Kaiser and I can agree to most of them. But I couldn't really figure out, what is the best setting to
a) Keep push mail always on and
b) Save as much energy as possible
So, therefore I started this thread and I am looking forward to your advice. One think I found out, whith push mail always on and even only using GPRS the battery is off in one day, I think that should not be the case. I use a Treo 750V and even with 3G and push mail always on the battery last for at least two days.
It is possible to increase the interval of the data pulse artificially but it would probably intefere with the as items arrive function.
The way it works is that the device sends the server a data pulse at a preset interval. This interval is set by network conditions and if the device cannot see the server and vice versa due to changing signal/IP address etc, then the interval comes down.
The main data usage and thus battery usage is when either the server has something new for the device or when the user changes something on the device as both prompt a sync. So if you or your office change your calendar a lot/you receive lots of emails etc, then your device is syncing a lot.
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I have an unlocked Treo 750 and am running ATT's version of WM6. Has anyone tried any of the other available ROMs and are there any advantages of one over the other. My phone is connected to a corporate email server running Windows Server 2007. There are periodic glitches, which require the phone to be soft reset,but all in all it works ok. One thing I have noticed is that when I update an existing entry on my Outlook calendar that information is not pushed to my phone. For instance if I receive a pop up for an impending appointment or task and choose to snooze it in Outlook it does not update my phone entry. The original entry remains the same. Does anyone have any other experiences with server based email which they would like to share.
One other item I have noted is that there is no way to schedule interactions between my phone and the server. Once the active sync client is set up on the phone you are connected 100% of the time which tends to eat up the battery. Any thoughts?
Open up Activesync on your device and go to menu/schedule and set your schedule there by using the dropdowns. My device is set to peak times of 7am to 11pm. I "As Items Arrive" for peak times, and manually for off-peak times. Between 11pm and 7am my device does not even connect to the net unless I trigger an event, like opening a web page.
I used to worry about battery life on my Treo 750 all the time until I got one of the Seidio 1600mAh extended batteries. This little gem gives me 33% more runtime (yes, it actually does in my measurements, and sometimes more) and fits in the same space as the wimpy 1200mAh battery Palm decided to provide us (no oversize cover needed!). I highly recommend you get one of these. Here is the link to the page:
http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=773
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Thanks for the response.
Our devices are configured so that email is pushed directly to the phone from our exchange server therefore the activesync client is not used on the local PCs. I went into the activesync client on my Treo and found where scheduling can be set for peak and non peak times. This way I can set the interval to up to 4 hours or to manual. It also allows you to set adjust what you consider to be peak and non peak times. Guess that I just did not look hard enough. That will do until I can get one of the extended batteries.
Thanks for you input. It definitely led me in the right direction.
Sorry for starting a new thread on this issue but I have verified that the issue of the phone not suspending after x min of inactivity ( Power settings ) is cause by ActiveSync and specifically Direct Push.
If ActiveSync is disabled or the sync schedule is set to manual or every x min, the device goes into standby mode normally as configured by the Power Settings. If set to "As items arrive", the device stays on indefinitely.
Any ideas on how to resolve this would be greatly appreciated.
Again, apologies for bumping this topic.
Noticed something different with ActiveSync when DirectPush is used ( "As Items Arrive" sync frequency ), unlike my previous phone, ( Touch ) ActiveSync show "Connected" to Exchange all the time rather than the last time it sync'ed with Exchange.
Could this be the cause ?
Are you sure it's not an interaction of ActiveSync and some other app? I'm using Direct Push and my phone has no trouble entering standby as configured.
The "Connected" behavior is normal for Direct Push, at least as far as I've seen on WM6. AS opens a connection and never closes it so long as push is active so that the server has a channel back to the handheld. Otherwise, the server can't reach the handheld and you're back into the old "SMS Message" direct push.
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Are you sure it's not an interaction of ActiveSync and some other app? I'm using Direct Push and my phone has no trouble entering standby as configured.
The "Connected" behavior is normal for Direct Push, at least as far as I've seen on WM6. AS opens a connection and never closes it so long as push is active so that the server has a channel back to the handheld. Otherwise, the server can't reach the handheld and you're back into the old "SMS Message" direct push.
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Thanks for the reply,
According to the Task Manager nothing is running but Activesync. If I kill AS, the phone goes into standby properly. If I turn it back on I see AS running and it stays on all the time after that with nothing but AS running.
Has there been a ROM update since the Kaiser launch ?
My version is: 1.56.405.5
ROM date: 8/28/07
Radio version: 1.27.12.11
Protocol version: 22.45.88.07H
There are many, many apps out there that run, but don't show in Task Manager. SPB MobileShell, SPB PocketPlus, SPB PhoneSuite are all on my phone and running all the time, but don't ever show up in the task manager. I believe Phone Alarm also "ducks" the TM, among many others. Task Manager is typically limited only to those applications that the system doesn't launch, with AS being the one notable exception.
So while it's logical to think that AS is causing your problem, it's likely something else or something that's interacting with AS to keep the phone awake. As I said, I use Direct Push with a slew of other software and my phone hits standby without any issues.
What else are you running on your phone?
PerfAlbion said:
There are many, many apps out there that run, but don't show in Task Manager. SPB MobileShell, SPB PocketPlus, SPB PhoneSuite are all on my phone and running all the time, but don't ever show up in the task manager. I believe Phone Alarm also "ducks" the TM, among many others. Task Manager is typically limited only to those applications that the system doesn't launch, with AS being the one notable exception.
So while it's logical to think that AS is causing your problem, it's likely something else or something that's interacting with AS to keep the phone awake. As I said, I use Direct Push with a slew of other software and my phone hits standby without any issues.
What else are you running on your phone?
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Other that what comes with the phone, I have installed Skype, TomTom, Google Maps and PHM RegEdit. None of these are running however (that I can see )
What can I use to see all the running tasks ?
Thanks
If you can receive an incoming call with Skype when it's not listed in Task Manager, it's running. That'd be the one that I'd test, since it may very well be "hiding out" in the background. TomTom, Google Maps, and PHM RegEdit don't run in the background to my knowledge.
Make a call to your Skype number to see if it comes through. If it does, try removing Skype and seeing if your standby issue doesn't go away. But Skype would need a live connection to receive the call, so that'd by my #1 contender at the moment.
PerfAlbion said:
If you can receive an incoming call with Skype when it's not listed in Task Manager, it's running. That'd be the one that I'd test, since it may very well be "hiding out" in the background. TomTom, Google Maps, and PHM RegEdit don't run in the background to my knowledge.
Make a call to your Skype number to see if it comes through. If it does, try removing Skype and seeing if your standby issue doesn't go away. But Skype would need a live connection to receive the call, so that'd by my #1 contender at the moment.
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Hey thanks for taking the time to help me out with this issue.
To make sure Skype is not the problem I uninstalled it and restarted the phone. As usual with AS running ( and more specifically with sync settings set at "As Items Arrive" ) the phone does not suspend. If I kill AS or set sync options to x min or manual it suspends properly.
Any other ideas ?
Many thanks again.
'fraid not. You might try deleting the partnership with Exchange and recreating it to see if that clears things up. AS can be very, very odd sometimes, so that might help.
Final post on the subject everyone,
I took the plunge and did a hard reset. Setup ActiveSync with DirectPush ONLY and let the phone sit. It did not go into standby. I killed AS and after 2 min the screen went off. I turned it back on and it stayed on. I switched to AS, changed to sync manually and after 2 min it went into standby. Setting sync to "As items arrive" again and the phone stayed on.
So, from a hard reset I can confirm that AS and DirectPush is the problem.
Thanks eveyone for your suggestions. Perhaps configuration or settings on the Exchange Server side is the problem.
Hi All,
I'm trying to enable my phone to wake up when I receive a new e-mail (when my device is locked and on standby). I want it to wake-up just like when I get a text message.
I'm using L26's WM6.1 Diamond V9 ROM, I'd appreciate if someone could notify me of a reg tweak please.
Please help, no-one has respond.
Have you tried activating push mail? I've got mine configured to work with Exchange Server and it beeps when I get mail. The only problem is that it eats battery big time.
yeap, I've got 5 different accounts setup on my device and one of them is exchange server.
goatistuta said:
Have you tried activating push mail? I've got mine configured to work with Exchange Server and it beeps when I get mail. The only problem is that it eats battery big time.
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The point is to get the device to wake up - it's already beeping, but staying in Suspend.
I don't think it's possible...
you have to use kaiser tweaks, serach and you will find it here; and enable all value to the "adviced value"
It's not possible to do it the way you want. When the Kaiser is on standby its processor is stopped, so can't receive e-mails. If you use the tweaks mentioned above it will work but your device will never go into standby, only the screen will be deactivated while the processor still runs in the background, not mentioning the active data connection. That means your battery life will go down to somewhere around 5 hours.
What should be needed is an app that uses the notification queue to make the device periodically wake up like an alarm would do, check mail and respectively return to standby / beep according to whether there's new mail or not. But it seems there's no such app out there. With the number of people asking for it, some motivated developer could for sure make a few bucks if he made one
My Kaiser use to wake up when I received e-mails/text messages on my previous ROMs e.g. Dutty's WM6.1 diamond V1 and the official WM6.1. It only doesn't work on this current ROM (L26's Diamond WM6.1 V9).
I find this wired that, the incoming text messages wake up my phone on this ROM but the e-mails doesn't?
Dulal Alom said:
My Kaiser use to wake up when I received e-mails/text messages on my previous ROMs
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Text messages yes, e-mails I doubt, see the following for reason.
Dulal Alom said:
I find this wired that, the incoming text messages wake up my phone on this ROM but the e-mails doesn't?
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Totally normal due to hardware design. On HTC devices, the mobile radio is a block that is separate and independent from the main processor. The radio can do all network-related jobs by itself while the main processor is sleeping, but has a hardware way to wake it up when necessary. When it receives a text messages, it accepts it and receives it on its own, then wakes up the main processor to tell it it has a new message.
E-mails and other internet communication is handled by the main processor itself, so obviously can't take place when it's not running. It needs to be turned on for that kind of tasks to be executed.
If another ROM was waking up when receiving emails, then it was doing what I said earlier, turning on the phone (maybe in an "invisible" way keeping the screen off) periodically to check e-mails. Never seen that functionality yet though.
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Text messages yes, e-mails I doubt, see the following for reason.
Totally normal due to hardware design. On HTC devices, the mobile radio is a block that is separate and independent from the main processor. The radio can do all network-related jobs by itself while the main processor is sleeping, but has a hardware way to wake it up when necessary. When it receives a text messages, it accepts it and receives it on its own, then wakes up the main processor to tell it it has a new message.
E-mails and other internet communication is handled by the main processor itself, so obviously can't take place when it's not running. It needs to be turned on for that kind of tasks to be executed.
If another ROM was waking up when receiving emails, then it was doing what I said earlier, turning on the phone (maybe in an "invisible" way keeping the screen off) periodically to check e-mails. Never seen that functionality yet though.
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Thanks for that explanation, where would I get the Kaiser Tweak emad.ebrahim mentioned?
The explanation still does not explain why I got sounds when I receive an email either via Exchange ActiveSync or in periodic checks of my POP email. Nor does it explain why a Treo 750 can wake from an incoming email.
I have just read a post in the Topaz (TD2) accessories forum asking after a dual SIM adapter. I too have carried multiple phone for years and one of my thoughts about getting this device was that I may be able to carry just one device with me.
Adding a second SIM is only one of my issues (and I guess I would need to unloack the phone), I also would like to be able to connect to 2 Exchange servers - Home and Work. Unfortunately, I don't think this can be done.
Maybe I was nieve when I got the TD2, but I at least wanted to be able to view both information from my Home and work on the single device. I run SBS 2003 with Exchange 2003 at home and we also use Exchange in work, but you can only connect to a single Exchange server.
It would be nice to have multiple profiles - one for work, one for home, each with their own settings, contacts, email etc etc.
This profiles ideally should run concurrently, so that you can flick backwards and forwards with no issue, and if someone tries to communicate with you when in the other profile, the phone will switch automatically. The phone should also switch profiles if it detects a change in presence - i.e. it connects to a work Wi-Fi or Home Wi-Fi.
I have no idea if this is possible, but the whole idea of one device for all I still think is years away based on my understanding of the device after just a few days use. This is a shame as the single device is not a "new" idea.
Can anyone suggest any possibilities? I have only just started looking at these types of device - my last PDA was a Palm 5 about 7/8 years ago! I am interested in at least expanding the device with applications.
But in fairness not many people run exchange at home! Why not access one of the exchange accounts via IMAP or POP?
However, lots of people wish to connect to more than one Exchange server that are not trusted just in a work enviroment. I know of several people with multiple jobs that would require just this ability. It's amazing how many people out there do want such a facility.
I believe IMAP will only sync email, not contact info, tasks calendar etc. Even then, IMAP only really works properly in Exchange 2007.
Still, I don't want my home contacts or calendar details on my work account, and vice versa. This is the crux of my enquiry. A single device that is "mine" and can be used in a personal/work or multiple workplace environment, without encroaching on either.
I just created my live emailaccount on the email tab in one of the latest Energy roms and when you choose to check your email automatically every 30min for example, the data connection stays on, which uses a lot of battery offcourse. I think this is probably with all roms.
Isn't there any trick or tool, when the emailprogram in the hometab checks for emails that it disconnects automatically after the emails have been transfered to your phone ? This would save a lot of battery, I searched for an option but didn't find anything.
Thanks!
You can try "Manila Dial-up Enabler/Disabler"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=610657
Hi
If you're not squeamish with registry editing, look here
HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Planner\Settings\
Change CacheTime to 60
In SuspendResume replace ~GPRS! with GPRS_bye_if_device_off
Then soft reset
your device will disconnect teh data connection after 60s of idle time
source
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305332
see post #9
I've used these for close to 16 months now.