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Password protection via Start, Settings, Lock

I hestitate to start a new thread to ask this, but I just spent 5 hours reading the Wizard forums and didn't find anything useful. So here goes . . .
I recently upgraded to Cingular_RUU_WIZARD_217_AKU22_Basic
(thanks, summiter). I'm happy with everything except the behavior of the password protection.
With the original ROM, I had it set (and don't remember what setting did it) so that I would only be prompted for a password when the device was coming out of standby mode (i.e. when I press the power button to turn the screen back on). Most of the time, I would put the device in "protected mode" by manually pressing the power button, but I also had "turn off after 5 minutes when running on battery" set, so if I left it sitting somewhere, it would go into "protected mode" in a few minutes.
With the new ROM, I've tried setting the "prompt if device unused for" setting to "0 minutes" (the setting I seem to recall I had used with the old ROM), which DOES cause the device to prompt for a password whenever I turn it on, but it also causes the password prompt to appear after 1 minute of idle time. If I use a longer setting, then I don't get the password prompt while the device is on, but when I turned off, and back on again, it doesn't prompt for a password.
I'm not dealing with a high security situation here. I just want a simple way to keep my kids and other prying eyes from accessing the PDA function, with a way for me to force it into locked mode, and some kind of time out for when I set the phone down and forget to lock it.
Is there a way to change my current ROM to get the old behavior? Is there some other program I should use instead of the one built-in to the OS?
Thanks.

Seconding this request. I've been looking for a solution to the same problem.

The password behaviour in the AKU2 ROMs are a real PITA - especially if you use SatNav without first switching off the password protection.
Unfortunately this is down to the implemenation by Microsoft so don't hold your breath for this to be "fixed".

Here's my solution so far:
I bought a copy of Pocket Secure 3.0 for $14
Website: http://www.TotalPocketPC.com
Support: http://www.4winmobile.com/-pocket-secure-support-vf25.html
I associated the progam with the Press and Hold voice button (I don't use voice recording), so when I want to force lock the phone, I just press and hold the button.
Using this program, I've left Media Player and/or TCPMP running in the background, "locked" the phone, and then carried it around in my case without any problems.
The "lock screen" displays battery level and a nice big clock. Since I don't wear a watch, 50% or more of the time, when I'm turning my phone "on" (i.e. switch out of standby mode), it's just to see what time it is.

TyTN II Problems

There seems to be a problem with the Kaiser. After finishing a phone call on the Kaiser the backlight goes off and stays off and I cannot access the Start menu. I can access all other functions but backlight stays off and one still cant get into the Start menu from anywhere on the screen. I have to press the power off button quickly once and then wait a second, press it again to be able to access the start button or the light to come on. This is definitely a bug in the tytn II and I hope HTC is doing something about this.

I have experienced the same thing.
After the phone call. I did not hang up.
Instead the person at the other end hangs up and I tries to navigate away then the phone appears to lock up.
Could not turn the phone off either. Had to wait until the phone turned itself off. Once restarted everything ok...

sudo009 said:
I have experienced the same thing.
After the phone call. I did not hang up.
Instead the person at the other end hangs up and I tries to navigate away then the phone appears to lock up.
Could not turn the phone off either. Had to wait until the phone turned itself off. Once restarted everything ok...
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I noticed this as well...
pretty crazy.

Hmm I haven't that problem. Danish HTC TyTN II

Do you folks have the password set? I have heard that that can cause this problem. Try to turn off password checking.

Hi @ All, any news about that problem?

I have a solution
I had the same problems and after installing all the ROM's and still have the same problems, I found out that the problem is not in the ROM it is in the 3G network, disable the 3G network and set it to GSM and all the problems will disappear.

This was nothing to do with 3g.
It was a pre-programmed fast sleep setting that was flawed. Download Kaiser Tweak and turn off all the sleep during call options.

Difference in memory in use
I have problem with my TyTN II, I don´t know why, but when I control the state of the memory in use, it seems to be 112 MB in use and 19,4 MB free. But when I control every item (Applicationdata, Confimgr, ProgramFiles etc., even including hidden files) and calculate total then it seems to be only 45 MB in use. Can anyone explain this
thanks

Turn the phone off using software

Is there an application that turns the phone off via software rather than holding the power button down?
Ideally, with a small battery, it would be cool to have the phone auto power off at say 11:00pm time and then come back on at say 06:00am.

There are various apps than can power off the device (amongst other functions) - they are usually a secondary function of what its primary purpose is. One such example is SPB Pocket Plus - it includes various little tools, one of which is PowerOff which can be run from a shortcut, or scheduler etc.
I'm sure you'd have no problem getting the device turned off automatically at 8pm, but back on in the morning will be rather tricky given that the device is off hence unable to tell itself to turn back on!
Perhaps if you elaborate on what your ultimate goal is (i.e. why you want it turning off at night) then there may be another, better, way of achieving it.
Mathew

Thanks Mathew.
I dont take calls at night so its best to turn the phone off. With the battery not lasting that long it would be great.
I know that Sony Ericsson phones can turn on and display a reminder even when they are off. And I used to have a Siemens phone which had an auto-off function whereby I was able to set a time at which it would go off. A minute before the scheduled off time, a dialogue would appear on screen to say that the phone would turn off in 59 seconds. Then it would proceed to countdown the seconds. I had the opportunity to overide the auto power off if required otherwise when the countdown got to 0 seconds the phone would turn off. Cant remember if the siemens had an auto on function!

I think theres two ways of looking at this thread...
phone off - physically like a blackberry can do at a set time each day etc
or phone off as in the actual phone function. I think this is more suited to your needs and I really can;t think it would be that difficult to do for the average programmer.
You are in theory making something to switch "phone" on or off as you would in the communication manager
And then tie this in to an alarm style program

Screen turning on if I loose signal

Hello,
I've tried searching for an answer on this, but no sucess until now.
My Diamond 2 turns on its screen when it looses and get radio signal back. That is a good feature but the annoying thing is if I enter in a lift with the cell phone in my pocket, it will loose signal, turn screen on and the contact with my pocket will give it "crazy" commands that will mess it up or even call someone.
Is there a way (maybe via Registry Editing) to force it to never turn on the screen unless I press the power button? At least, an option to do nothing in case of signal loss?
Thank you.
Robert

I've just done a few experiements and if I lose signal and it returns, nothing happens. However, perhaps it would help you if you get into the habit of locking your phone before you press power. To do this hold the home button down for a second or so. The phone will buzz and it'll be locked.

Thank you. That's what I will do whenever I put the phone in my pocket. It is still not the best solution, even because I use my D2 to receive emails from work so I am forced to type a password to unlock it after sliding to unlock.
I know there is a Registry key to auto lock, but I prefer doing that manually as you said.
Which ROM are you using? In both original HTC English and now TOM's 2.02.1 it always turn screen on when looses and get signal back.
Thanks.

I'm using the original HTC. I've tried it again, I go to a place where I know I'll lose signal, wait until it does, then press power off. I go back into signal and nothing happens on the device. Only when I press power on does it come back on and show that I have signal. If I do it the other way, press off before I go out of signal, then the behaviour is the same (though I have to just wait and assume signal has been lost, since I can't see it!). Is it perhaps that the phone is set to light up when it receives a certain bit of data (such as a push email), which it's more prone to getting when it comes back into signal? Incidentally, it's 'lose', not 'loose'

I get similar behaviour after setting the phone to stream internet radio and then turning it off and putting in my pocket. Sometimes, after signal loss, I get it out and notice it's turned on and random things have happened due to screen contact.
Funny thing is, I've tried locking the phone too, and exactly the same thing happens. what's the point of a phone lock if it doesn't (lock)!
I've not associated it with a particular event except signal loss. But, when it's not lost the signal, I don't take it out of my pocket, so perhaps it's happening other times without me noticing.
Anybody with an idea to completely lock the phone will be my hero.
And, whilst we're on the subject of annoying traits, is there a way to get rid of the wretched WM "cannot connect with current settings" dialogue which appears after a few failed attempts to reconnect to a 3G network? I find this *really* annoying when all it takes is a few more attempts...

Hi
When the signal is lost or regained the phone is triggered to turn on, but in "unattended" mode. The phone will be on and applications will run however unattended mode is just that, and so no user input is accepted and the screen is not turned on, and the owner will have no idea the phone has switched on. After a short period of time the phone will enter sleep again. In fact many times a day the phone will be turning on in unattended mode without you knowing for one reason or another.
The problem with the phone awaking fully is going to be due to an application or feature you are using. The application will start running when the phone enters unattended mode and is for some reason raising the power state to fully on, this is due to bad programming as it isn't suppose to do this unless it has an alert and needs to show the screen and wait for a response, even then it should give the option for this to be disabled.
Incidently a lot battery problems where the battery doesn't seem to last very long can be due to applications keeping the phone running in unattended mode, so while the phone looks off the processor is still on allowing applications to run, this very quickly drains the battery.
You need to find the application causing the problem then get in touch with the author.
Regards
Phil

Thanks for that, Phil. Understanding is the first step to sorting a problem out. I wasn't aware there was an "inbetween" state.

option to prevent screen off during call?

is it possible to have a tick box or something on the dialer to prevent the auto screen off during a call?
most calls it's a good thing, but once in a while you need to keep using the keypad every 5 seconds and having to hit the power button every time is very annoying.
I suppose another option would be to have a simple app for toggling the setting and bind it to a key... but something on the dialer face would make more sense
any help?

Search advanced config and the setting needed to turn off is fast sleep. "it's in the ROM no need to search lol"

right, I know I can turn it off... but I like it on 90% of the time... what I'm looking for is a simple way to temporarily disable for those occasional calls where you need the keypad a lot.

screwyluie said:
right, I know I can turn it off... but I like it on 90% of the time... what I'm looking for is a simple way to temporarily disable for those occasional calls where you need the keypad a lot.
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You could try via REG:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Phone\Sleep set to 0 not allowed 1 allowed.
Try to change the reg and see if needs a reset or not, if doesn't need a reset, then i can make 2 x .cabs one to enable one to disable. Mind you how do you know if need it or not till call? lol

thank you for your offer
I tested the setting and it doesn't work, even after reboot, it still turns the screen off after about 5 seconds in a call
this is your black v4 rom if that helps
as for not knowing to use it before the call, well most of the time you know when you're calling customer service or something, you're going to need it.
for the other stuff, I'm hoping that by binding it to a key I'll be able to execute the registry tweak during the call as well
thanks again