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Should I buy the tilt or the kaiser?

is paying the extra few hundred for the full unlocked HTC kaiser worth it?
or should I go TILT? am I correct to think there are no software differences with loading the HTC rom onto the TILT? or does the AT&T software restrictions still play an active roll in not allowing us to install what ever we please?
Has TILT adopters found themselves with more problems than they antisipated? has Kaiser adopters wished they would have saved the
money?

GinjiVitis said:
is paying the extra few hundred for the full unlocked HTC kaiser worth it?
or should I go TILT? am I correct to think there are no software differences with loading the HTC rom onto the TILT? or does the AT&T software restrictions still play an active roll in not allowing us to install what ever we please?
Has TILT adopters found themselves with more problems than they antisipated? has Kaiser adopters wished they would have saved the
money?
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Here is your answer! Link: Should I buy a Tilt or a Kaiser?

no cam on the phone...
the homescreen on the tilt is lame... super lame...
att has choped away a lot of good stuf.... not sure the price difference is....
im having trouble installing anything that at&t hasnt sold me. your prob more capable than i am, but... thats my experience

To the original poster's credit, the forums' search functionality is kinda crap, but it is the sort of thing that should be easy to find just by browsing the right sections.
IMO, there's not much reason to get the TyTn II instead of the Tilt thanks to HardSPL. The front camera just isn't worth $400.
As to Tilt vs. Kaiser - Tilt IS a Kaiser...

Tilt - No front camera. Same back 3MP camera.
With a bit of reading this forum and a few hours/days. there's no other differences.

If you're an AT&T customer in the US, the front camera is useless anyway.
Furthermore, you can put whatever ROM/software you want on the device (courtesy of our fine colleagues here).
I did the math:
Tilt: $199.00 (with new 2-year contract)
TyTN II: $800.00
It was a no-brainer for me! (YMMV)

Ready for my Kaiser ! woot !

hey friends, After doing a long research on PDA WM phones, I arrived to the conclusion that Kaiser is the way to go!!! (WOOT)
Now I just have a couple of questions, Where can I get a good price for a Kaiser ? ( any link appreciated ), is getting an AT&T tilt unlocked the same as getting the real kaiser ? ( a 8925 of course ) what do do what to do !!??
Almost all places that I have seen where they have the HTC kaiser 120 costs around 750-800us$ and the tilt 8925 is around 500us$ is there much of a difference ? can I get the tilt to work just like the REAL kaiser, upgrading roms ? will the supposedly new rom with the new video drivers will work on the tilt !!!! ( insert dramatic music )
Please help me ( <-- lame phrase )
Please help me pimp my .... mobile device ?
Thank you all !

sneaking in...
/me sneaks in and writes again in the post, to place it on top...
/me sneaks out

My wife's got a tilt and I have a kaiser. No real difference except for the obvious. But the rom change on the tilt is needed immediately att software is lame! I put duttys 7.0 on my wifes and it's faster then my kaiser with stock rom.

Here´s a good place to start.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php
Welcome to the forum!

thanks
thanks for the wellcome =)

afaik the tilt has no front faced camera only a rear end.

frontal camera
Imperium said:
afaik the tilt has no front faced camera only a rear end.
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Damn so that's why the tilt is cheaper !!!!
now I guess I have to pay like 200 more us$ for the frontal camera

chuby007 said:
Damn so that's why the tilt is cheaper !!!!
now I guess I have to pay like 200 more us$ for the frontal camera
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I guess, and I was pissed when I got my Tilt. But then realized it's probably not worth $200-300 for a VGA camera, that I can't even use on my network
So sticking with the Tilt, since I want to go WM7 on a new device when it rolls out

Go to newegg.com and search for the tilt. Print that off and take it to your local AT&T store, they will honor newegg's price. Right now it's $175, but my girlfriend and I got ours for $150 when it was that price. For instance if newegg has it for $150, att will sell it to you for $250 with a $100 mail in rebate. Can't beat that, only thing is you have to have unlimited data until the rebate comes, which is 6-8 weeks.

chuby007 said:
hey friends, After doing a long research on PDA WM phones, I arrived to the conclusion that Kaiser is the way to go!!! (WOOT)
Now I just have a couple of questions, Where can I get a good price for a Kaiser ? ( any link appreciated ), is getting an AT&T tilt unlocked the same as getting the real kaiser ? ( a 8925 of course ) what do do what to do !!??
Almost all places that I have seen where they have the HTC kaiser 120 costs around 750-800us$ and the tilt 8925 is around 500us$ is there much of a difference ? can I get the tilt to work just like the REAL kaiser, upgrading roms ? will the supposedly new rom with the new video drivers will work on the tilt !!!! ( insert dramatic music )
Please help me ( <-- lame phrase )
Please help me pimp my .... mobile device ?
Thank you all !
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Hi:
I see most of your questions have been addressed.
I wanted to mention, that if you really want to "pimp you phone", here ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336013&goto=newpost) is a good place to start getting ideas. That is a post where people post their Today screens. Most people will include info on what programs etc. they used to make it look a certain way. It's a great thread to get an idea of the endless possibilities you have when it comes to the appearance of this phone.
Also, as far as making the most of your phone, read, read, read
That's what I did, I have read HUNDREDS of posts here, and learned so much.
I have only had my Tilt for about a month, but if you saw it now, you wouldn't even believe it is the same phone ATT sent me
Not to mention that I have added so many amazing programs, apps etc. that I learned about here, that my phone can do just about anything now

Tilt vs Kaiser/Tytn II

I searched the forum a bit before asking...and didnt find my answer.
Why is the HTC TILT ~200 cheeper than the HTC Kaiser. Is it only the front mounted CAM?
I`m planning to buy one or the other. As far as i read you can unlock both.
I apreciate any replies, thanks

The Tilt is relatively the same price if you don't get it with a service contract, last I remember.

tilt @ newegg 509$
tytn II/kaiser 700-800

they are the same thing, except for a few small differences:
1- front camera, if ur not going to be doing video calling, not really important
2- software, however this is easily changed by flashing one of many roms on here
3- a few cosmetic changes, in my opinion, the tytn II looks a little better (nicer keyboard)
4- the tytn II will come factory unlocked, while the tilt will be locked to att. I unlocked my tilt (using it on tmobile) in 5 mins with att over the phone (my wife is an att customer) otherwise u can unlock it online in a few mins for around 20 dollars. they are working on a free unlock here too btw
is it worth 200 dollars more (or 500 if u sign a contract with atnt)? definitely not

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875998228
509$ - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875998228
i want to use it in Romania... i`ll unlock it.. and shouldnt have any issues (also ROM change), right?
thanks for the last reply

qiuness said:
i want to use it in Romania... i`ll unlock it.. and shouldnt have any issues (also ROM change), right?
thanks for the last reply
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Nah, I changed the ROM on mine the day I got it, no problem.

Is Tytn II comes w/ leather case and wired headset? My tilt doesn't have those w/ the box

anyone want to swap tilt vs. kaiser?

i will give my tilt, (it's in mint condition) and a black crystal cover (even some bucks) for an htc tytnII even with scratches or little dents (not on the screen).
thank you
ken

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...Are you serious?

i am completely serious... i know that noone want to do this but i'll ask...

are you selling your tilt at all?..if so how much?

i want to swap my tilt with a kaiser but if noone comes out i'll sell it an buy a kaiser. i'll sell it for 420USD + shipping (420USD is likely 320Euros).
It has a black crystal cover, 3.5" headphone adapter with mic., it's in MINT condition and always had a screen protector on it.

errrr .... no
sorry!

edit: nm - I miss-read your post

Why sell it ?
if you need the second camera, there is a mod here on the forums will show you how to add it , and software wise there are so many roms here , that i am sure one of them will fit your needs,
BTW not to rain on your parade, the going price here in the states is about $300 more or less

i know what you ar sayin but i can't find a front camera nowhere in the forum nor in fleabay, i searched everywhere and offered a bounty if someone find it but noone answered, maybe u can tell me more, i'm very addicted to my kaiser i dont want to sell mine but i have to if i dont find a solution.

You must be proud of your tilt.

Here are some good links to read, but i have not found the thread that has step by step instructions for adding the camera....give me a bit to find it...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355587&highlight=front+camera
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2146400&postcount=18
http://michael-channon.spaces.live....smantling+%2f+Disassembling+Guides+HTC%2fETEN
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=791306&native_or_pdf=pdf

more info
http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/1407907-1.html
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1407907
Lets us know if you find it.....
FYI I know there was a thread for doing this, but search is not bring it up

I will sell you my TYTN II for 200 euros. Ita in mint condition with a lot of added applications (tom tom 7 with maps, skyfire, memmaid etc. Also I have the desktop charger and case.

@ F2504x4: the thread on howardforums is what i saw for making an idea on what i have to do. if you take apart your tilt you will find a chip where the front cam have to go inserted, and then you have to buy a new front face cover with the cam cover. the mobo already has the connector for the front cam it's a plug'n'play thing. but i cant find the cam nowhere in the wole internet!!!
@leon sprouse: i know you want to sell me your tytnII the price is so good but i have to sell my tilt first because i have no money to afford yours
anyways thank you for the advice and for the time giving to me
ken

@chumley EX: i am very proud and satysfied of my tilt but i live in Italy and my girlfriend whant to videocall me because i work far away from home

Does it transform or something different than the other Tilts or is the proudness you have for the phone the reasoning behind the jacked up price?

ChumleyEX said:
Does it transform or something different than the other Tilts or is the proudness you have for the phone the reasoning behind the jacked up price?
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are you A Professional thread crapper?

I don't think he is, but $450 for a Tilt... I bought my Tytn 2 with 2 extra batteries and an additional pouch for $430 6 months ago. Tilts were already going for $350 at that time

@chumley EX: why don't you chill out boy? i'm just tryin to sell my tilt!
Maybe the price is too high, maybe i can sell it for lower but if i sell my tilt for lower i can't buy a tytnII because it is more expensive
i can sell it for no less than 250€

[Q] I just bought a TyTN II

Greetings
I just bought a TyTN II from ebay.. I thought it would be a nice addition to my ever so small collection of PDA's, and it was relatively cheap.
Here's the link (remove spaces):
ht tp://c gi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260569169356#ht_3409wt_1276
Now, the seller claims it to be 100% oem, but I'm not completely sure.. In case it's a knockoff, I'll use Paypal to get my refund
So my question is, what do you guys think? is this the real deal, or just another fake TyTN II? I've heard about the knockoffs, but I havn't seen anyone.

You call that cheap? That's the real deal though.

yeah well, it's about 1/4 of retail price back in the days it's not too bad for nice little gadget like that
the auction doesn't display any photos of the actual phone, but I'm pretty confident that it's a legit OEM phone by the description, price and the claims made by the seller that it's "100% brand new & genuine or money return", even though it ships from HONG KONG
Anyway, what would a knockoff be like? and what's the price for one of those? What would one look for, in order to spot the knockoffs?
Cheers

Sorry for bumping this thread, but can anyone else confirm this is the real deal, so I can have some peace of mind?

Show us some real picks of it and we will tell you 100%
We know about this phone not the knock off's. If it doesn't look like the one in the pics then it's not what it says it is. It's a 3 year old phone, I wouldn't worry so much about knock off's.

Well, that would be like getting a picture from e.g t-mobile of the specific device you're gonna order. The seller is a powerseller with several (10+ in description) htc tytn II's.. When I ask him he keeps reassuring me that the phone is as described with official specs and pics from HTC and that it's 100 % brand new & genuine.
Would you feel good about this, or would you prepare for a full refund?

Well, I just got my Kaiser Eventhough it's a KAIS100, it has a front camera in addition to the rear-facing one. HTC could confirm it was the real deal, but... i think about the ONLY thing OEM in the package was the phone.... There were 3 chargers in the package (none of which fit !!!!) and i'm not too sure about the battery which said DynaPack on the outer side, and had å chrome-like inner side.
and btw, the battery is behaving weird. the phone takes a very long time to charge. lets say i have 50% battery, and i start charging for 30 min, and i end up with 55% battery.. then i reset my phone, and upon boot i all of a sudden have 82% (for instance)... i don't know if it's just old, or fake..

hanskl said:
Well, I just got my Kaiser Eventhough it's a KAIS100, it has a front camera in addition to the rear-facing one. HTC could confirm it was the real deal, but... i think about the ONLY thing OEM in the package was the phone.... There were 3 chargers in the package (none of which fit !!!!) and i'm not too sure about the battery which said DynaPack on the outer side, and had å chrome-like inner side.
and btw, the battery is behaving weird. the phone takes a very long time to charge. lets say i have 50% battery, and i start charging for 30 min, and i end up with 55% battery.. then i reset my phone, and upon boot i all of a sudden have 82% (for instance)... i don't know if it's just old, or fake..
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I have had three batteries so far for my Kaiser. One was the " chrome type " back, that was the original and the other two were cheap replacement batteries that were all black except for the terminals. They all worked the same.
I would just buy a new battery , seeing as the phone is new to you. Might as well start out with a new battery too.. If HTC ran the serial number and says the phone is legit, I wouldn't worry about wether it is real or not.

DENNCCOOOO
What he said.

Well, it seems its actually a modified AT&T Tilt with a added front camera. Void seals were broken, I think both front and backcover is fake, and the voicedialbutton doesn't show a image of a "speech bubble" but PTT (which seems to be used on AT&T phones)

An ATT Tilt is still a Kaiser..

papabear said:
An ATT Tilt is still a Kaiser..
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Ok, a Kaiser has a front camera, does the Tilt?
That's pretty strange, they replaced everything but the insides? The Keyboard isn't from a tilt (as far as I could tell).

ChumleyEX said:
Ok, a Kaiser has a front camera, does the Tilt?
That's pretty strange, they replaced everything but the insides? The Keyboard isn't from a tilt (as far as I could tell).
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Yeah, very strange indeed. It seems as they took a tilt, put on a front camera, changed the housing and keyboard (it's not even a wwe keyboard - it has some chinese letters and other layout on the Fn-keys) and hspl'ed the phone with the first OliP0f hspl.... Either way, after confronting the seller, he did admit that it wasn't a unlocked HTC TyTN II, because they got the best prices on these phones from carriers... He also proposed to give me a 70 USD refund, and a HTC bluetooth headset as a compensation, after i expressed my dissapointment with the phone.
Well, i'm still not sure if the battery is OEM, and also if the housing and keyboard is OEM, but i guess i'll never know for sure