I managed to fry my kaisers circuits by plugging a 4 AMP car charger into the USB power port.
It only took one second, i smelled the smoke and instantly unplugged the cable, but it was too late.
Surprisingly the device was still powered and functioning, so i didn't freak out. The battery was already dead. after around 30 seconds it died again, i walked back home and tried charging it with mains adapter with no luck.
Next morning, i took my handset to a local electronics repair shop to check it, and i told them the story. they called me back and said the motherboard needs to be replaced. and it would cost me around $470. (and its not covered by manufacturers warranty. ouch!!)
After hours of cursing and smashing my head into the steering wheel, i thought i'll pick it back and try something my self.
the part where the device stayed on even after the smoke came out led me to believe that the board is still fine. and that only the charging port got fried.
the problem is, I don't have a desk charger to charge my battery and test my theory, a disassembly guide would also be very helpful.
if the main mother board was really fried, is there any place that i can buy it from? i did some goggling around with no luck.Anything cheaper than what these guys are asking for would be great, i have a feeling they are trying to rip me off.
If any of you guys can help me out, id be grateful.
hoaxbox said:
I managed to fry my kaisers circuits by plugging a 4 AMP car charger into the USB power port.
It only took one second, i smelled the smoke and instantly unplugged the cable, but it was too late.
Surprisingly the device was still powered and functioning, so i didn't freak out. The battery was already dead. after around 30 seconds it died again, i walked back home and tried charging it with mains adapter with no luck.
Next morning, i took my handset to a local electronics repair shop to check it, and i told them the story. they called me back and said the motherboard needs to be replaced. and it would cost me around $470. (and its not covered by manufacturers warranty. ouch!!)
After hours of cursing and smashing my head into the steering wheel, i thought i'll pick it back and try something my self.
the part where the device stayed on even after the smoke came out led me to believe that the board is still fine. and that only the charging port got fried.
the problem is, I don't have a desk charger to charge my battery and test my theory, a disassembly guide would also be very helpful.
if the main mother board was really fried, is there any place that i can buy it from? i did some goggling around with no luck.Anything cheaper than what these guys are asking for would be great, i have a feeling they are trying to rip me off.
If any of you guys can help me out, id be grateful.
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I have a brand new AT&T Tilt ( kaiserII HTC8925) for sale i can sell to you for $375.00 New In the box never been used. PM me if interested.
Sorry I can't help in this matter, but I thought i would post this here rather than start a whole new thread.
I have heard lots of horror stories of in-car chargers frying kaisers. Has anyone got an in-car charger that works?
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Sorry I can't help in this matter, but I thought i would post this here rather than start a whole new thread.
I have heard lots of horror stories of in-car chargers frying kaisers. Has anyone got an in-car charger that works?
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Order one that is made for the Kaiser...a lot of people are trying to use old chargers just cause the tip is the same.
I got my stuff from PocketSolutions.com
Car chargers that work for the 8525 should work fine for the 8925. It just can't do that "boost" charging feature the Tilt supposedly has.
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Car chargers that work for the 8525 should work fine for the 8925. It just can't do that "boost" charging feature the Tilt supposedly has.
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hmmm.. thats got me scared, cuz im using a razr charger for my tilt. ive used it multiple times with no probs so far...hope its not damaging my phone tho
omaralt said:
hmmm.. thats got me scared, cuz im using a razr charger for my tilt. ive used it multiple times with no probs so far...hope its not damaging my phone tho
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That one won't damage the Kaiser, but it has only half the mA of the proper one. This can sometimes cause problems if the charge level of the battery is very low. For charging from time to time and when battery isn't near empty you will be ok.
Mike
well a quick tip would probably be checking the fuze on your charger, anything below an amp wouldnt do much damage. -.-;
4 amps fried my tilts motherboard, so watch out guys
still looking for a service manual, now that my phone is dead, i want to dissect it,
I'm using a cheapy chinese one made for an Imate Jam if that helps.
Joe
the part of the board responsible for charging is probably what went up in smoke - you probably smelt (smelled?) resistors/capacitors overheating/melting - they said a total mobo replace as that circuitry is probably all on the same board - sure you might be able to replace it yourself but i dunno - might be a bit of a mega mission what with all these micro components around on these sorts of device
fusi said:
the part of the board responsible for charging is probably what went up in smoke - you probably smelt (smelled?) resistors/capacitors overheating/melting - they said a total mobo replace as that circuitry is probably all on the same board - sure you might be able to replace it yourself but i dunno - might be a bit of a mega mission what with all these micro components around on these sorts of device
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Yep, these devices now have multilayer boards that make it virtually impossible to do a bit of home soldering/component replacement on.
Bring back the days of my youth when we had valves (tubes in US I believe), they were nice - and kept your hands warm as you soldered away in a freezing garage
Mike
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I opened up the case and unscrewed my way to the burnt part of the board.
thanks to mike and the manual he posted on some other fourm
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocke...58716/HTC-Service-Manuals-Dismantling-Guides/
This is the main board
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7447/ks1jj3.jpg
This is the same board from the other side with the burnt IC
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2717/ks2wi1.jpg
And a close up
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4416/ks3nv1.jpg
Closer
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5944/ks4lu6.jpg
Okay now i can at least see where the damage is.
Still stubborn that i am, I did not believe that this IC killed the entire mobo, so i invested in a desk charger for the battery and charged it up fully.
I just tested it now and to my surprise it WORKED!!
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5070/ks5vj6.jpg
Of course, my joy ride did not last for long as the device started heating up. I switched it back off once i felt the abnormal amount of heat generated.
I tried it again after it cooled down. This time I kept it for around three mins, and again it heated up, at the end of, it just shut it self off. (still heating up).
After that scary little experiment i learned few things:
1- The device motherboard is alive, there is no need to replace the entire board.
2- The burnt IC is probably meant to control the usb port and the power, therefore my usb port is useless at this stage.
3- charging the battery externally wont help much without resolving the heat issue.
I tried to look up diagrams for the devices board and the only thing i could found is this:
http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/diagram_msm7200_cs.pdf
which is useless.
Any help would be much appreciated..
cheers
Can anyone help me with this?
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5944/ks4lu6.jpg
the chip burnt shown in the picture above needs to be replaced on my tytnz mobo.
can anyone give me more details about it or where can i find a replacement, all i could read on it is the (QRA) part, if anyone has a tytn II could you have a closer look, grab me a serial number maybe.
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Can anyone help me with this?
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5944/ks4lu6.jpg
the chip burnt shown in the picture above needs to be replaced on my tytnz mobo.
can anyone give me more details about it or where can i find a replacement, all i could read on it is the (QRA) part, if anyone has a tytn II could you have a closer look, grab me a serial number maybe.
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anyone? lols still waiting btw
am sure most of the kaiser form viewers have a kaiser.
if any of you do can you please check that chip on your device board, i have lost mine and trying to replace it.
check if theres anything written on it, any information about it would be could be helpful.
thanks
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This past weekend had to run out to Chuck e Cheese for my daughter's second b-day and my Tilt wasn't charged so I figured hey I'll just use that nifty car charger I got with my case off eBay! Plugged it in and it fell into a thin slot in the center console and I just left it there for about a half hour. When I went to pick it up it was EXTREMELY hot to the touch! Got that feeling in the pit of my stomach and verified instantly that it was dead. Pulled the battery, plugged it into the wall charger and did everything I could think of but I couldn't even get a light to go on. Called AT&T and it was under warrantee so they sent me out a new one so problem solved right?
Well... I did have Dutty's 2k8 rom installed and I couldn't flash it back since it was dead so I'm a little worried. It was obviously a hardware issue cause by either a cheap car adaptor or the lack of air while it was charging but I'm afraid they'll get it working and see the new rom and say oops! Out of warrantee! Here's a $500 charge on your bill.
So I was just wondering if anyone's experienced anything like this and what you think my chances are of getting nailed by AT&T for something completely unrelated to the problem?
BTW I didn't mention this to them I just said I charged it overnight with the OEM Charger like always and it was just dead the next morning.
Thanks!
I still have the fried phone for a couple of days if anyone has any ideas...
Dont think you will have a problem. If its fried its fried.
Enjoy your new replacement and relax
I'll start from the top, I broke my phone's screen so I had it replaced by HTC. I shipped the phone (without a battery) to HTC like they wanted and got a new phone back. I installed "HD_III_BlackStone WWE" rom, and it worked fine for about 4 days or so. but eventually it wouldn't charge, I figured my battery was finally shot so I bought a new one, it worked fine for awhile but now it won't charge at all.
my computer doesn't even recognize my tilt, never says anything is connected. it does have the checkbox unchecked for computer charging, so that should be fine.
and I've tried 2 different computers with 3 different cables, as well as my car charger and 2 wall chargers =/
I've searched around but I haven't found any information regarding this, I have a feeling my car charger might've some how killed my USB port on my phone.
can anyone point me in the right direction on this? I am pretty tech savvy but I just don't know where to start troubleshooting this any deeper.
any help will be greatly appreciated, i'll be checking this frequently.
Some options
greggsauce said:
I have a feeling my car charger might've some how killed my USB port on my phone.
can anyone point me in the right direction on this?
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Maybe this stickied WARNING: Active Brodit Carkit thread in the Kaiser accessories forum may be of some assistance. What car charger kit have you got? Of course your replacement Kaiser should have a warranty as long as it has an official configuration. Without a working USB port you'll have difficulty restoring the original configuration as not all required steps can be done with the microSD card method - one of the risks with running custimised ROMs on devices still under warranty. If you have that particular car charger then maybe you can get some comeback from that company and a cheap Kaiser battery charging cradle will keep you going in the mean time - it just means swapping batteries to charge them. You can still use bluetooth for activesync (buying a dongle for the PC if reqd).
Thank you so much for the reply... I'll have to do the MicroSD way then, thankfully i have one finally.
but I'm not using a Brodit Carkit, the issue seems identical though so that's probably why isn't it? =/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448467
give this a read and hope it works sounds better than above
nope, I researched as best as I could and thats not the issue either, the first reply seems correct.
I get no indication that its charging or connected through my PC or phone, that includes lights
nothing changes.
what kind of cradle will charge just the battery?
Clarification
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Thank you so much for the reply... I'll have to do the MicroSD way then, thankfully i have one finally.
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My point about that is you WONT be able to fully restore everything via the microSD card method - the SPL reversion has to be done using the USB connection.
but I'm not using a Brodit Carkit, the issue seems identical though so that's probably why isn't it? =/
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Well whatever version you are using, if you check your port for physical damage as maxblaster linked to and thats all clear then hopefully your car kit supplier will be some help. At least the methods I suggested (battery charge cradle and bluetooth activesync) are cheap workarounds that can keep you going in the mean time. Good luck
Kaiser charging cradle
greggsauce said:
what kind of cradle will charge just the battery?
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I wanted to post a picture of one at the XDA-DEV shop (out of loyalty to this website) but cant find it anymore.
If you google Kaiser charging cradle you should find some results that have a flat recess at the back and that come with a mains adapter, the idea being you put a spare battery in the back, plug it in to the mains and it'll charge that battery. They also have a dished recess for the phone itself but you don't have to use that part to charge a battery. I have one of these devices and highly reccommend them for Kaiser users (along with a spare battery or two) as the devices are very battery hungry if you want to take advantage of all the features. PM me if you're still stuck and I can point you to a link.
thank you so much, looked around and ordered one
i appreciate all the help you've given me.
PS HTC is freaking trying to say they never repaired my phone
greggsauce said:
thank you so much, looked around and ordered one
i appreciate all the help you've given me.
PS HTC is freaking trying to say they never repaired my phone
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You're welcome. It sounds like HTC didn't repair your phone, they replaced it instead but I'd assume any replacements they provide would still be warrantied, even if only for a short period. The problem is you've customised it's ROM and while it's not in exactly the same ROM/Radio/SPL state as they supplied it to you in (or using an approved HTC 'upgrade' ROM) then they don't need to honour a warranty (restoring what you can would give you the best chance). If it is your car phone charger that was responsible for the damage then why not contact the supplier with your complaint.
Wow, I feel like McGuyver.:laugh:
My Incredible S stopped charging when I was fiddling around with a car charger. Also USB-data connection to the computer did not work anymore.
I suspected that there was a fault in the car electric and a chip was blown by too high voltage.
I still have had a torx driver since I changed the screen on my former Wildfire. So I wanted to see if there was a little chance to repair it.
When I opened the device I could not see anything burnt or so inside. The USB-Port was connected with a flex cable to the main board. I removed it. Then I connected the port to an USB-Port of my computer and tried to measure if there was any voltage. Of course I "managed" to create a shortcut while measuring and my computer shut down immediately. Anyway, I had the impression that there was no voltage at the end of the flex cable. I did a little Google search and found out that there were some offerings for an "USB Flex Board" for the Incredible S. So I decided to spend the 25€ on this little piece of nothing.
Today I replaced the old USB - et voila - it works!
I found some articles on the net from people with similar problems but no solution. So I hope this might help. Perhaps the flex cable blows easily or the solder joints between port and flex cable get broken after a while. Somebody offers the USB-socket without flex cable. This is completely useless because the socket won't broke and you won't be able to solder it on the little flex cable.
If you want to try it on your own. I highly recommend to watch the YT-Video on how to open the Incredible. You should have the torx driver and a very small watchmaker driver for these two very little screws on the main board.
How to open the Incredible S:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTOyjGol_iM
There are many more on YT just do a search.
tricki said:
Wow, I feel like McGuyver.:laugh:
My Incredible S stopped charging when I was fiddling around with a car charger. Also USB-data connection to the computer did not work anymore.
I suspected that there was a fault in the car electric and a chip was blown by too high voltage.
I still have had a torx driver since I changed the screen on my former Wildfire. So I wanted to see if there was a little chance to repair it.
When I opened the device I could not see anything burnt or so inside. The USB-Port was connected with a flex cable to the main board. I removed it. Then I connected the port to an USB-Port of my computer and tried to measure if there was any voltage. Of course I "managed" to create a shortcut while measuring and my computer shut down immediately. Anyway, I had the impression that there was no voltage at the end of the flex cable. I did a little Google search and found out that there were some offerings for an "USB Flex Board" for the Incredible S. So I decided to spend the 25€ on this little piece of nothing.
Today I replaced the old USB - et voila - it works!
I found some articles on the net from people with similar problems but no solution. So I hope this might help. Perhaps the flex cable blows easily or the solder joints between port and flex cable get broken after a while. Somebody offers the USB-socket without flex cable. This is completely useless because the socket won't broke and you won't be able to solder it on the little flex cable.
If you want to try it on your own. I highly recommend to watch the YT-Video on how to open the Incredible. You should have the torx driver and a very small watchmaker driver for these two very little screws on the main board.
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WoW congratulations for you effort men!!
Can you help us, and give the link for the video
zizou_cr said:
WoW congratulations for you effort men!!
Can you help us, and give the link for the video
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See first post.
I currently have this problem.. though it charges when I position it a certain way. Problem is I still have a year left on my contract so... Lol
Sent from my HTC Incredible S
sdkim89 said:
I currently have this problem.. though it charges when I position it a certain way. Problem is I still have a year left on my contract so... Lol
Sent from my HTC Incredible S
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Same to me before it fully stopped working. I suspect the soldering joints are breaking after a while.
Mine is broken too.
Thank you for that. I've ordered a new one and hope it will work again
I've got to admit that's dedication. If that happened to my phone id just buy a new one lol. So well done!
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using xda premium
Thank you for sharing. I'm undecided whether I should repair for myself and really void the guarantee or if I should send it to HTC for repair.
Why did you not use guarantee? HTC provides 24 months?
Don't you trust "Arvato Services Solution GmbH"?
Have you been afraid of being rejected because of S-OFF?
It seems that one can buy the USB connector also at ebay:
Search for "USB Power Charger Charging Connector Port Flex Cable HTC Incredible S S710e G11" or similar.
dsplayer said:
Thank you for sharing. I'm undecided whether I should repair for myself and really void the guarantee or if I should send it to HTC for repair.
Why did you not use guarantee? HTC provides 24 months?
Don't you trust "Arvato Services Solution GmbH"?
Have you been afraid of being rejected because of S-OFF?
It seems that one can buy the USB connector also at ebay:
Search for "USB Power Charger Charging Connector Port Flex Cable HTC Incredible S S710e G11" or similar.
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My warranty was void anyway through heavy ROM-Flashing and I thought I cooked a chip inside at first. If you still have warranty you should send it in of course.
But you have to wait for a while and you won't feel like McGuyver :laugh:
Thanks for the info and for posting the info!
Firstly, I would apologize for replying to a year old thread.
@tricki, thanks for your post. You gave me the courage to replace my damaged USB port. For my fellow Inc S users who have a damaged USB port, you can find all the required replacement parts in ebay. The replacement takes 15 to 20 minutes (Okay, 30 min. for a first timer). Make sure you purchase a kapton tape just in case your old tape inside the phone refuses to stick again (like mine!). To remove the two tiny screws on the motherboard, you need a #0 philips screw driver (I did not have this at hand the first time I opened the device, so I had to order one and wait for it to arrive). Be gentle while flipping the mother board..It is not that hard anyway.
I posted this because I wanted to share my experience with you guys. My phone is now charging normally and the most important part is.... my computer detects my phone properly!
I also changed my usb port. It's really easy to do it. So, do not waste yours money and just do it.
Incredibly Tapatalked!
I reciveved my phone yesterday and after playing with it for a few hours I charged it last night and noticed it became hot to the touch in a few minutes of being plugged in. Like burn your hand hot and there was a bit of a hot plastic smell coming off it. I unplugged it let it rest. Today I have no usb access to it. No adb, no fastboot. Lsusb shows no devices etc.
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I reciveved my phone yesterday and after playing with it for a few hours I charged it last night and noticed it became hot to the touch in a few minutes of being plugged in. Like burn your hand hot and there was a bit of a hot plastic smell coming off it. I unplugged it let it rest. Today I have no usb access to it. No adb, no fastboot. Lsusb shows no devices etc.
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Xplodwild tweeted out the other day about issue with USB charging similar to this. Does the same happen when AC charging?
Is this problem similar to this guy?
Watch out for overheating!
seems to be a similar issue - it was very hot on the back side just below the camera especially I'm just afraid it got too hot and something was damaged.
This explains why google was pushing their bumpers instead of a full case I can't imagine a case would be good for this things thermal characteristics.
This happened while charging via ac when charging via usb it just seems to hold steady at whatever level the battery was.
Just out of interest, what surface did you leave it on all night?
Manipulas said:
Just out of interest, what surface did you leave it on all night?
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I left it on a wooden desk for 5 to 10 minutes it didn't take long
It is no longer charging. I can't get it back to stock to rma I'm not happy :crying:
Woah, all other nexus 4 problems aside, this one is quite serious.
Just imagine what would have happened if you'd have left it on a easily flammable surface and wouldn't have noticed the heat. Worst case scenario might have been a fire or something like that.
If this really is a common problem (I've already seen at least two people reporting similar issues), we might see a big recall campaign quite soon.
I guess you don't really want the LiPo battery in your phone burst like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3o_2mwRPdw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Maybe Google should start to sell these bags instead of the bumper
Where you using the provided USB-AC adapter?
I know that my friends GS2 and GS3 got really hot when using my playbook wall charger (rated at 5v ~1.8A) :S
Heard of similiar issues with nexus 7, but the one I'm aware of is still charging.
I haven't experienced this issue yet?
I contacted google play they were quite happy to send me a replacement. Aparently they held back stock in case of a need for returns. HOWEVER they tried to charge an authorization hold on my account in the ammount of $350 I DONT HAVE ANY DAMNED MONEY I JUST SPENT IT on their ****! The only other option they said was to return it for a refund and wait a large number of weeks for orders to open up again or send it directly to LG for the same treatment ?!? I'm PISSED. The guy said that this was not the first case he'd heard of like mine didn't even ask any questions except for the serial number - I'd expect that there are going to be quite a few issues like this.
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Is this problem similar to this guy?
Watch out for overheating!
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Yeah, sounds like my problem. Was your microUSB port also loose/creaky like mine? I got Google to RMA me a new one. It's a shame, I love this phone and this one has no give on the screen whatsoever and no rattle. The port though and the screen flicker are another story...
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda app-developers app
I don't have screen flicker yet and the port isn't lose I'm thinking somebody cut some corners on the voltage regulation
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HOWEVER they tried to charge an authorization hold on my account in the ammount of $350 I DONT HAVE ANY DAMNED MONEY I JUST SPENT IT on their ****!
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Damn, I guess this is sorta good news for all the folks (myself included) whose banks dropped the authorization, haven't had Google recharge us, and have the phone in hand.
I have an HTC One M7 that I have been happy with for nearly 2 years. Yesterday I plugged it in to the charger in the car that I have used hundreds of times and there was a little wisp of smoke and now the USB port doesn't seem to work. I can't charge it and it isn't recognised by the computer. Everything about the phone works ok, but I can't get any power into it!
I have it rooted and have ViperOne running and the problem is I don't think there is enough battery to get it back to stock to send back for warranty!
Can anyone suggest any method of charging? Long shot I know...
MrPez said:
I have an HTC One M7 that I have been happy with for nearly 2 years. Yesterday I plugged it in to the charger in the car that I have used hundreds of times and there was a little wisp of smoke and now the USB port doesn't seem to work. I can't charge it and it isn't recognised by the computer. Everything about the phone works ok, but I can't get any power into it!
I have it rooted and have ViperOne running and the problem is I don't think there is enough battery to get it back to stock to send back for warranty!
Can anyone suggest any method of charging? Long shot I know...
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I had the same problem with the smoke, and I left it to sit for about a year. Usually, they don't turn on the phone to check it's "stockness" and even if they did, if you keep turning on your phone enough until it is absolutely dead, they can't recover it without replacing the charge port. I decided to replace the charge port, and let me tell you, there IS a glue around the sides that you have to heat up to take off. I would recommend buying a charge port w/ flex cable and taking it to an electronic repair shop and hopefully the guy understand what to do. I did it myself but pretty much destroyed the phone, so if you can make sure it is completely dead and send it in they cannot check if it is rooted or not.
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I had the same problem with the smoke, and I left it to sit for about a year. Usually, they don't turn on the phone to check it's "stockness" and even if they did, if you keep turning on your phone enough until it is absolutely dead, they can't recover it without replacing the charge port. I decided to replace the charge port, and let me tell you, there IS a glue around the sides that you have to heat up to take off. I would recommend buying a charge port w/ flex cable and taking it to an electronic repair shop and hopefully the guy understand what to do. I did it myself but pretty much destroyed the phone, so if you can make sure it is completely dead and send it in they cannot check if it is rooted or not.
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Cheers, I've taken your advice, drained the battery completely and sent it off for warranty. I did read something that said warranty shouldn't be affected unless the custom software is the cause of the fault so will cross my fingers...
The warranty is voided even if it is not the cause.